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	<title>Comments on: Oops, she did it again: Bachmann says &#8216;Barack Obama&#8217;s views are against America&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Lazercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was a God he would have dropped a house on this witch by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was a God he would have dropped a house on this witch by now.</p>
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		<title>By: ultraplops@yahoo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>ultraplops@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;(Kindly look up Senator Bernie Sanders, btw, rumor has it he is a card carrying Socialist.) &quot;&quot;  

I have heard the same thing, and another funny tidbit is that Obama votes to the left of Bernie Sanders.


&quot;&quot;Give the underlying conspiracy theory a rest, please.&quot;&quot;  

What conspriracy are you talking about?  My point is that Bachamann&#039;s statements had nothing to do with McCarthyism and the campaign condeming her for saying what she said is based on twisting her words and over exaggerating. 

&quot;&quot;FYI: “Anti: A person who is opposed to something…” So tell me, how can you be OPPOSED to America, but not be considered disloyal to America?&quot;&quot;

Thats a good question because it seems so contradictory.  Disloyalty would mean treason, not upholding the constitution, or something that would involve legal recourse or reprimand.  Where as having opposing viewpoints are just that, viewpoints nothing else.  What Bachmann is alluding to is that someone with opposing viewpoints would steer the country down a path that most people wouldn&#039;t want to go down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;(Kindly look up Senator Bernie Sanders, btw, rumor has it he is a card carrying Socialist.) &#8220;&#8221;  </p>
<p>I have heard the same thing, and another funny tidbit is that Obama votes to the left of Bernie Sanders.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Give the underlying conspiracy theory a rest, please.&#8221;"  </p>
<p>What conspriracy are you talking about?  My point is that Bachamann&#8217;s statements had nothing to do with McCarthyism and the campaign condeming her for saying what she said is based on twisting her words and over exaggerating. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;FYI: “Anti: A person who is opposed to something…” So tell me, how can you be OPPOSED to America, but not be considered disloyal to America?&#8221;"</p>
<p>Thats a good question because it seems so contradictory.  Disloyalty would mean treason, not upholding the constitution, or something that would involve legal recourse or reprimand.  Where as having opposing viewpoints are just that, viewpoints nothing else.  What Bachmann is alluding to is that someone with opposing viewpoints would steer the country down a path that most people wouldn&#8217;t want to go down.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ultraplops,

Uhhh...&quot;She did not...suggest disloyalty&quot;?  Hmm...so I guess being &quot;anti-American&quot; isn&#039;t considered disloyal, or saying &quot;anti-American&quot; things, or hanging with &quot;anti-American&quot; folk?

FYI: &quot;Anti: A person who is opposed to something...&quot;  So tell me, how can you be OPPOSED to America, but not be considered disloyal to America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ultraplops,</p>
<p>Uhhh&#8230;&#8221;She did not&#8230;suggest disloyalty&#8221;?  Hmm&#8230;so I guess being &#8220;anti-American&#8221; isn&#8217;t considered disloyal, or saying &#8220;anti-American&#8221; things, or hanging with &#8220;anti-American&#8221; folk?</p>
<p>FYI: &#8220;Anti: A person who is opposed to something&#8230;&#8221;  So tell me, how can you be OPPOSED to America, but not be considered disloyal to America?</p>
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		<title>By: Barbyrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbyrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Eric F.,
Laugh out loud funny!  Neither Jay nor David could do it any better than that...thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eric F.,<br />
Laugh out loud funny!  Neither Jay nor David could do it any better than that&#8230;thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus St. Jesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesus St. Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricknit....

Yes. Use that rationalization and send it to two of your Republican friends, and have then send it to two of their Republican friends.... yada yada yada...

I somehow doubt that psychoBachmann will receive the positive response that Tinklenberg did.

  You Nit....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricknit&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yes. Use that rationalization and send it to two of your Republican friends, and have then send it to two of their Republican friends&#8230;. yada yada yada&#8230;</p>
<p>I somehow doubt that psychoBachmann will receive the positive response that Tinklenberg did.</p>
<p>  You Nit&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dlinguist</title>
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		<dc:creator>dlinguist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those that went to jail went under the charge of Contempt of Congress, primarily those early in the hearings that pleaded the 1st and not the 5th ammendment on the grounds of freedom of assembly. This was effectively their right to associate with communists if they so chose. 5th ammendment suited those pressing the hearings better because they saw it as an inherent admission of guilt.

I&#039;ll skip most of the rest of the arguments, for sake of brevity, and touch simply on your last point.

Some of our representatives may indeed be communists or socialists (secessionists? - they even exist anymore?) as is perfectly within their rights, as long as they hold to their oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. (Kindly look up Senator Bernie Sanders, btw, rumor has it he is a card carrying Socialist.) 

Comes down to it, every member of Congress represents a State or district, each with its own media, most faced opponents for election and/or reelection, so if it comes down to it, that is where so called un-American allegiances may be uncovered. In the end, I trust that the voters of each respective candidate&#039;s state or district knew what they were doing in voting him/her into office. I don&#039;t put my faith in the paranoia of a few who see secret agendas or ulterior motives such as driving this country into ruination. If there are ulterior motives, they are the same that have been there for centuries: power, ego gratification, fame, self-importance, greed.

Give the underlying conspiracy theory a rest, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those that went to jail went under the charge of Contempt of Congress, primarily those early in the hearings that pleaded the 1st and not the 5th ammendment on the grounds of freedom of assembly. This was effectively their right to associate with communists if they so chose. 5th ammendment suited those pressing the hearings better because they saw it as an inherent admission of guilt.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll skip most of the rest of the arguments, for sake of brevity, and touch simply on your last point.</p>
<p>Some of our representatives may indeed be communists or socialists (secessionists? &#8211; they even exist anymore?) as is perfectly within their rights, as long as they hold to their oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. (Kindly look up Senator Bernie Sanders, btw, rumor has it he is a card carrying Socialist.) </p>
<p>Comes down to it, every member of Congress represents a State or district, each with its own media, most faced opponents for election and/or reelection, so if it comes down to it, that is where so called un-American allegiances may be uncovered. In the end, I trust that the voters of each respective candidate&#8217;s state or district knew what they were doing in voting him/her into office. I don&#8217;t put my faith in the paranoia of a few who see secret agendas or ulterior motives such as driving this country into ruination. If there are ulterior motives, they are the same that have been there for centuries: power, ego gratification, fame, self-importance, greed.</p>
<p>Give the underlying conspiracy theory a rest, please.</p>
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		<title>By: ultraplops@yahoo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>ultraplops@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;No formal charges of treason were brought before a court, and as I already mentioned, being a communist was not illegal. Still isn’t, as a matter of fact. Essentially, what happened in the McCarthy era was that people were maligned on the basis of hearsay and innuendo, often to the loss of their livelihood and no court in the land was involved in this.&quot;&quot;

I have to admit my history is a bit rusty, but there were legal procedings, charges, and people did go to jail as well as some being blacklisted which is different than the press reporting a politicians political views.  If Treason was not the charge, then it was the implication, or it may have been charges related to disloyalty, I will have to double check that I admit.

The distinction is still that Bachmann was asking for the investigation of political views of political candidates for the only purpose of knowing the political views of who the public is voting for. She did not call for legal proceedings or suggest disloyalty.   

Essentially, if the press can investigate Palin, link her to radical secession groups, find out her views, etc, they can certainly do the same to other people in Congress, it is not unethical.  If you disagree, please explain to me whether you think the deep investigation on Palin is unethical.

While I agree that McCarthyism was a horrible thing, it is still okay for the press to inform the american people whether a candidate is tied to a communist, socialist, secessionist, or whatever group.  We have a right as citizens of a representative democracy, to know a political candidate&#039;s political views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;No formal charges of treason were brought before a court, and as I already mentioned, being a communist was not illegal. Still isn’t, as a matter of fact. Essentially, what happened in the McCarthy era was that people were maligned on the basis of hearsay and innuendo, often to the loss of their livelihood and no court in the land was involved in this.&#8221;"</p>
<p>I have to admit my history is a bit rusty, but there were legal procedings, charges, and people did go to jail as well as some being blacklisted which is different than the press reporting a politicians political views.  If Treason was not the charge, then it was the implication, or it may have been charges related to disloyalty, I will have to double check that I admit.</p>
<p>The distinction is still that Bachmann was asking for the investigation of political views of political candidates for the only purpose of knowing the political views of who the public is voting for. She did not call for legal proceedings or suggest disloyalty.   </p>
<p>Essentially, if the press can investigate Palin, link her to radical secession groups, find out her views, etc, they can certainly do the same to other people in Congress, it is not unethical.  If you disagree, please explain to me whether you think the deep investigation on Palin is unethical.</p>
<p>While I agree that McCarthyism was a horrible thing, it is still okay for the press to inform the american people whether a candidate is tied to a communist, socialist, secessionist, or whatever group.  We have a right as citizens of a representative democracy, to know a political candidate&#8217;s political views.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I neglected to mention in my post that Elwyn Tinklenberg said that at a fundraiser tonight. That&#039;s a paraphrase, not an exact quote, because I don&#039;t precisely remember it. It wasn&#039;t recorded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I neglected to mention in my post that Elwyn Tinklenberg said that at a fundraiser tonight. That&#8217;s a paraphrase, not an exact quote, because I don&#8217;t precisely remember it. It wasn&#8217;t recorded.</p>
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		<title>By: dlinguist</title>
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		<dc:creator>dlinguist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell you what Rick.. you&#039;re right.. don&#039;t listen to Matthews. Instead go get a transcript of the interview, paste it in Word, then delete everything Matthews said, leaving only what Bachmann said. Done that? Good. 

Once you read what is left, you can see where the outrage comes from, outrage from both Republicans and Democrats, not to dismiss the Independents. Don&#039;t blame the medium for the message. Bachmann&#039;s claim she was misled or trapped loses its meaning a bit if you do the same with the transcript of her interview on Fox 9, done two days later, where she once more calls for a media investigation (you know, the media you don&#039;t trust but apparently she does considering she&#039;s done some 23 nationally televised appearances in the last couple of months.) 
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7683782&amp;version=1&amp;locale=EN-US&amp;layoutCode=TSTY&amp;pageId=3.2.1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell you what Rick.. you&#8217;re right.. don&#8217;t listen to Matthews. Instead go get a transcript of the interview, paste it in Word, then delete everything Matthews said, leaving only what Bachmann said. Done that? Good. </p>
<p>Once you read what is left, you can see where the outrage comes from, outrage from both Republicans and Democrats, not to dismiss the Independents. Don&#8217;t blame the medium for the message. Bachmann&#8217;s claim she was misled or trapped loses its meaning a bit if you do the same with the transcript of her interview on Fox 9, done two days later, where she once more calls for a media investigation (you know, the media you don&#8217;t trust but apparently she does considering she&#8217;s done some 23 nationally televised appearances in the last couple of months.)<br />
<a href="http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7683782&#038;version=1&#038;locale=EN-US&#038;layoutCode=TSTY&#038;pageId=3.2.1" rel="nofollow">http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7683782&#038;version=1&#038;locale=EN-US&#038;layoutCode=TSTY&#038;pageId=3.2.1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, lets see here. Obama associates with an un-repentant scumbag terrorist that now teaches at the University of Illinois. Obama denies any &quot;meaningful&quot; association, but served on two seperate non-profit boards and launched his political career from said scumbags house. And Rep. Bachmann (who I will say blew it going onto Matthews show, who by the way is the same guy that Senator Zell Miller D-GA wanted to take out back and kick his ass) is getting a rectal exam by liberal biased media. I honestly don&#039;t know why anyone with brains pays any attention whatsoever to the garbage the media prints and I also have no idea why anyone with brains pays any attention whatsoever to: Matthews, Olbermann, Stewart, Letterman and these jokes from Hollywood who think we should worship their &quot;endorsements.&quot; Let&#039;s examine this: Aside from a few journalism degrees, do any of the forementioned have a degree in political science? Then why pay any attention to these idiots. The other ? is this; With Muslim extremism a very near and dear threat, what the hell is the matter identifying someone who doesn&#039;t hold Americas beliefs close to the heart? We&#039;re the best, nicest, most giving nation in the world. Why the shame? Anyhow, gotta go. Time to send Michelle Bachmanns campaign more $$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, lets see here. Obama associates with an un-repentant scumbag terrorist that now teaches at the University of Illinois. Obama denies any &#8220;meaningful&#8221; association, but served on two seperate non-profit boards and launched his political career from said scumbags house. And Rep. Bachmann (who I will say blew it going onto Matthews show, who by the way is the same guy that Senator Zell Miller D-GA wanted to take out back and kick his ass) is getting a rectal exam by liberal biased media. I honestly don&#8217;t know why anyone with brains pays any attention whatsoever to the garbage the media prints and I also have no idea why anyone with brains pays any attention whatsoever to: Matthews, Olbermann, Stewart, Letterman and these jokes from Hollywood who think we should worship their &#8220;endorsements.&#8221; Let&#8217;s examine this: Aside from a few journalism degrees, do any of the forementioned have a degree in political science? Then why pay any attention to these idiots. The other ? is this; With Muslim extremism a very near and dear threat, what the hell is the matter identifying someone who doesn&#8217;t hold Americas beliefs close to the heart? We&#8217;re the best, nicest, most giving nation in the world. Why the shame? Anyhow, gotta go. Time to send Michelle Bachmanns campaign more $$$.</p>
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