Minnesota Family Council and Openly Gay Sen. Paul Koering Square off in Committee

You can stick a fork in Koering. He’s done.

Gloating? Why? What do you have against Senator Koering, apart from his sexual attraction to men?  On most policy issues, he’s quite conservative.  Does your hatred of homosexuality extend so far that you would sacrifice one of your own?

Koerings Constiuents did speak … last year when they re-elected him AFTER he came out as a gay man.

THis despite the best efforts of the Family Council and assorted other twits.

I don’t give a fiddlers fart ….what Koering does behind closed doors…as long as it stays behind closed doors.

The second he, or anyone else drags unhealthy..no, downright dangerous and deadly behaviors, out into the street and not only proclaims a right to persue those behaviors, but demands that I, and everyone else MUST accept their decisions as the new standard for acceptable behavior it becomes my duty to my fellow citizens as well as my family to show that person the way back to where they came from.

Sand is not food.

Further, as relates to Koering in particular, I don’t like being lied to and I’m betting neither does his constituency.

There are plenty of capable people who are ready to represent the people of Koering’s district in the manner they wish to be represented.

And after he assured them that his behavioral choices would not lead him to support issues that he knew his constituents were not in support of; hence my observation regarding being lied to.

I wish him joy of his conscience…this is the last term he’s going to have the opportunity to excersize it as an elected official….count on it.

Hmmm, so what kind of ass are you when you do give a rip? Well, he’s got four years to vote the right way since he’s a lame duck. Whomever he is replaced by will more than likely join a senate that’s been in the minority for over 25 years.

Good Luck- it doesn’t matter

“Hmmm, so what kind of ass are you when you do give a rip?” Why, you looking for a new set of ear muffs slick?

Being Gay… Being gay is not simply a set of ‘behaviors.’ Nor are any behaviors associated with being gay inherently dangerous. If they were, then lesbians would have high rates of STDs. They don’t, and I’m assuming that is your particular line of attack here.

And you don’t have to accept anything swiftee. If you don’t want to be gay, don’t be gay. Why are you so concerned about your family? Are you afraid they’ll get the gay? Because the MN Family Council can help you and them pray the gay away.  It’s fairly simple I hear.

Being gay is not about sex. I’m gay. I’m not having sex right now. I have a date later tonight. We’re going to dinner. We won’t be having sex at dinner. Or at all tonight. My best friend is a lesbian. She hasn’t even had sex yet this year!

You only show your juvenile ignorance every single time you comment here asserting that my relationship, and my friends relationships are nothing but ‘behavior’. Unhealthy behavior is having too much sex, or drinking too much, or doing drugs. Frat parties are more dangerous and unhealthy than gays. We just have the misfortune of being targetted by wacko christians, and you members of the “government out of my life (unless you are gay)” Republican Party.

You should know better after three years of trolling my posts. Either that or you’re being purposefully ignorant to get a rise out of folks. Which is just kind of mean spirited if that’s the case.

Kudos to Paul Koering for calling the MFC on their Lies It will be interesting to see if they – and Jeff Davis’s anti-gay group, MCDM – will be going after the other Republicans who voted against them, or if they will just focus on Paul Koering. 

Ooooh! Look out for the gay boogie man! I am so tired of this issue.  Its truly amazing how much energy people will put into hate.  Live and let live…PLEASE!

The only thing that isn’t normal is the behavior of heterosupremacist males who obsess about their projections of the intimate activities of others, when, if they were really moral, would have their mind concentrating on their own lives.

When a minority group, like heterosupremacist white men, attempt to pass off their unnatural fantasies about other people and demand legislation reflect those notions, that is a behavioral disorder.

As far as the closet nonsense, let’s see the straight boyz put their sexuality back in the closet first.

Exactly – hospital visitation “rights” were not developed as some special right for “married people” only They were actually developed because of conflicts BETWEEN married people and legally recognized blood family relatives. So an orderly list was created.

There is no reason and no excuse why any individual should not be allowed the choice to designate someone to visit them in a hospital room. This “threat to the family” bull needs to be trashed for the ruse it is. The threat to the family was originally the marriage itself, particularly when marriage moved from a family-arranged property transfer to allowing these heterosupremacists the right to fall in love.

It amazes me how these conservatives talk about “traditional” family without having a clue.

OK, here’s your big chance to set the record straight “Being gay is not about sex.”

What is being gay about.

LOL What is being straight about? If you think that all gay people have one ‘thing’ that their lives are about, tell me: You and all the other straight people, you must have one ‘thing’ you are about, right?  I mean, a straight: movie star, a famous rapper, a doctor, a bus driver, a farmer, a gang-banger, a solider in Iraq, Donald Trump, a man on death row for raping and killing a woman: all of these straight people live EXACTLY the same type of life, right, since they are all straight?  No?  So, basically, being straight just happens to be who they are attracted to but doesn’t define or control their life in the slightest?  Wow, what an idea!

Gay simply IS.  You are born into the same life you would have had anyway, but you just are attracted to the same-sex instead of the opposite.  There is no lifestyle, no danger to being gay: only the same choices that straight people face, every day.  And unsafe sex, or drug use, or any of the other things you like to pretend are part of being gay are hardly constrained to gay people, unless unplanned pregnancies and STDs were wiped among straight people and it was kept secret.  Based on the number of abortions and STDs among straight people, maybe you should worry about actions, not orientations.

Andy? Andy?

*Crickets*

Tough to have to eat your own shoe isn’t it? Try some catchup.

Sorry swiftee I do have other things to do with my day than respond to your mean-spirited comments.

What is being gay about? Well, there’s the obvious. Attraction to the same-sex as opposed to the opposite sex. And all of the romantic, spiritual, personal, and, yes, sexual things that go into dating and relationships. For some people, being gay is about sex. For some straight people, their lives are about sex. Sex is an act, a behavior. Gay is an identity, a way to label something that is different. You have to find a way for your mind to divorce the two.

Sex is not what defines being gay. I don’t meet other guys for expressed purpose of having sex with them. I try and find someone I can get along with, who has the same interests as I do, in my case politics, the outdoors, catching a live band or two.

And being gay is about being a part of a community. We have our own bars, coffeeshops, lawyers, fundraisers, political candidates, sports teams, business associations, bookstores, and even things unique to our culture like drag queens, and gay pride festivals. We share the unique common experience of coming out to family, friends, and co-workers. It’s probably the one bond all LGB people have in common. And for virtually everyone, it is painful and difficult.

And that’s just my interpretation of what being gay is. Others, I’m sure, have their own words to say about it.

I’m ashamed… I’m ashamed to admit being related (thankfully a couple levels removed) to the CEO of the Minnesota Family Council John Helmberger. However, I feel it is my responsibility to speak out against him and the MCF at every opportunity, in the hopes of off-setting our family name’s affiliation with John, his views and the council.

In a large family that includes loved, accepted and openly gay and lesbian family members, I find it reprehensible for John Helmberger to state,”"Homosexual activists are aggressively targeting the most vulnerable members of our society, our children,”.  For him to imply that our children are in any way “at risk” by the GBLT members, turns my stomach. I would feel more comfortable leaving my child in the middle of a Gay Pride parade than I would leaving my child with him for 20 minutes.

I was raised in a Christian home with strong morals and values. We believe in “Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone.”  John Helmberger appears to have a whole bucket full of miseducated, misguided, unproven and 1950′s stereotypical stones and he’s casting them out.

You can stick a fork in Koering. He's done.

Gloating? Why? What do you have against Senator Koering, apart from his sexual attraction to men?  On most policy issues, he's quite conservative.  Does your hatred of homosexuality extend so far that you would sacrifice one of your own?

I don't give a fiddlers fart ….what Koering does behind closed doors…as long as it stays behind closed doors.

The second he, or anyone else drags unhealthy..no, downright dangerous and deadly behaviors, out into the street and not only proclaims a right to persue those behaviors, but demands that I, and everyone else MUST accept their decisions as the new standard for acceptable behavior it becomes my duty to my fellow citizens as well as my family to show that person the way back to where they came from.

Sand is not food.

Further, as relates to Koering in particular, I don't like being lied to and I'm betting neither does his constituency.

There are plenty of capable people who are ready to represent the people of Koering's district in the manner they wish to be represented.

Koerings Constiuents did speak … last year when they re-elected him AFTER he came out as a gay man.

THis despite the best efforts of the Family Council and assorted other twits.

And after he assured them that his behavioral choices would not lead him to support issues that he knew his constituents were not in support of; hence my observation regarding being lied to.

I wish him joy of his conscience…this is the last term he's going to have the opportunity to excersize it as an elected official….count on it.

Hmmm, so what kind of ass are you when you do give a rip? Well, he's got four years to vote the right way since he's a lame duck. Whomever he is replaced by will more than likely join a senate that's been in the minority for over 25 years.

Good Luck- it doesn't matter

“Hmmm, so what kind of ass are you when you do give a rip?” Why, you looking for a new set of ear muffs slick?

Being Gay… Being gay is not simply a set of 'behaviors.' Nor are any behaviors associated with being gay inherently dangerous. If they were, then lesbians would have high rates of STDs. They don't, and I'm assuming that is your particular line of attack here.

And you don't have to accept anything swiftee. If you don't want to be gay, don't be gay. Why are you so concerned about your family? Are you afraid they'll get the gay? Because the MN Family Council can help you and them pray the gay away.  It's fairly simple I hear.

Being gay is not about sex. I'm gay. I'm not having sex right now. I have a date later tonight. We're going to dinner. We won't be having sex at dinner. Or at all tonight. My best friend is a lesbian. She hasn't even had sex yet this year!

You only show your juvenile ignorance every single time you comment here asserting that my relationship, and my friends relationships are nothing but 'behavior'. Unhealthy behavior is having too much sex, or drinking too much, or doing drugs. Frat parties are more dangerous and unhealthy than gays. We just have the misfortune of being targetted by wacko christians, and you members of the “government out of my life (unless you are gay)” Republican Party.

You should know better after three years of trolling my posts. Either that or you're being purposefully ignorant to get a rise out of folks. Which is just kind of mean spirited if that's the case.

Kudos to Paul Koering for calling the MFC on their Lies It will be interesting to see if they – and Jeff Davis's anti-gay group, MCDM – will be going after the other Republicans who voted against them, or if they will just focus on Paul Koering. 

Ooooh! Look out for the gay boogie man! I am so tired of this issue.  Its truly amazing how much energy people will put into hate.  Live and let live…PLEASE!

The only thing that isn't normal is the behavior of heterosupremacist males who obsess about their projections of the intimate activities of others, when, if they were really moral, would have their mind concentrating on their own lives.

When a minority group, like heterosupremacist white men, attempt to pass off their unnatural fantasies about other people and demand legislation reflect those notions, that is a behavioral disorder.

As far as the closet nonsense, let's see the straight boyz put their sexuality back in the closet first.

Exactly – hospital visitation “rights” were not developed as some special right for “married people” only They were actually developed because of conflicts BETWEEN married people and legally recognized blood family relatives. So an orderly list was created.

There is no reason and no excuse why any individual should not be allowed the choice to designate someone to visit them in a hospital room. This “threat to the family” bull needs to be trashed for the ruse it is. The threat to the family was originally the marriage itself, particularly when marriage moved from a family-arranged property transfer to allowing these heterosupremacists the right to fall in love.

It amazes me how these conservatives talk about “traditional” family without having a clue.

OK, here's your big chance to set the record straight “Being gay is not about sex.”

What is being gay about.

LOL What is being straight about? If you think that all gay people have one 'thing' that their lives are about, tell me: You and all the other straight people, you must have one 'thing' you are about, right?  I mean, a straight: movie star, a famous rapper, a doctor, a bus driver, a farmer, a gang-banger, a solider in Iraq, Donald Trump, a man on death row for raping and killing a woman: all of these straight people live EXACTLY the same type of life, right, since they are all straight?  No?  So, basically, being straight just happens to be who they are attracted to but doesn't define or control their life in the slightest?  Wow, what an idea!

Gay simply IS.  You are born into the same life you would have had anyway, but you just are attracted to the same-sex instead of the opposite.  There is no lifestyle, no danger to being gay: only the same choices that straight people face, every day.  And unsafe sex, or drug use, or any of the other things you like to pretend are part of being gay are hardly constrained to gay people, unless unplanned pregnancies and STDs were wiped among straight people and it was kept secret.  Based on the number of abortions and STDs among straight people, maybe you should worry about actions, not orientations.

Andy? Andy?

*Crickets*

Tough to have to eat your own shoe isn't it? Try some catchup.

Sorry swiftee I do have other things to do with my day than respond to your mean-spirited comments.

What is being gay about? Well, there's the obvious. Attraction to the same-sex as opposed to the opposite sex. And all of the romantic, spiritual, personal, and, yes, sexual things that go into dating and relationships. For some people, being gay is about sex. For some straight people, their lives are about sex. Sex is an act, a behavior. Gay is an identity, a way to label something that is different. You have to find a way for your mind to divorce the two.

Sex is not what defines being gay. I don't meet other guys for expressed purpose of having sex with them. I try and find someone I can get along with, who has the same interests as I do, in my case politics, the outdoors, catching a live band or two.

And being gay is about being a part of a community. We have our own bars, coffeeshops, lawyers, fundraisers, political candidates, sports teams, business associations, bookstores, and even things unique to our culture like drag queens, and gay pride festivals. We share the unique common experience of coming out to family, friends, and co-workers. It's probably the one bond all LGB people have in common. And for virtually everyone, it is painful and difficult.

And that's just my interpretation of what being gay is. Others, I'm sure, have their own words to say about it.

I'm ashamed… I'm ashamed to admit being related (thankfully a couple levels removed) to the CEO of the Minnesota Family Council John Helmberger. However, I feel it is my responsibility to speak out against him and the MCF at every opportunity, in the hopes of off-setting our family name's affiliation with John, his views and the council.

In a large family that includes loved, accepted and openly gay and lesbian family members, I find it reprehensible for John Helmberger to state,”"Homosexual activists are aggressively targeting the most vulnerable members of our society, our children,”.  For him to imply that our children are in any way “at risk” by the GBLT members, turns my stomach. I would feel more comfortable leaving my child in the middle of a Gay Pride parade than I would leaving my child with him for 20 minutes.

I was raised in a Christian home with strong morals and values. We believe in “Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone.”  John Helmberger appears to have a whole bucket full of miseducated, misguided, unproven and 1950's stereotypical stones and he's casting them out.