Ciresi Talks Shop: Iraq, Health Care, and How to Beat Norm Coleman
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 at 7:52 am
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Attorney Mike Ciresi was a major player in Minnesota’s historic $6.1 billion tobacco settlement in the late 1990s. He then ran for the U.S. Senate in 2000, eventually losing in the DFL primary to eventual victor Mark Dayton. Rumors abounded in the 2006 cycle that he was about to enter the race for that same seat, but to no avail. Ciresi is back for another run in 2008, this time for the Senate seat once occupied by DFLer Paul Wellstone and currently held by Republican Norm Coleman. I sat down with Ciresi on Tuesday to discuss his campaign, major issues, and what he thinks makes him the best DFLer to face Coleman in November.
Joe Bodell: What important legal decisions involving you and your firm have influenced your political approach?
Mike Ciresi: I think it’s really my whole body of work — I’ve worked in personal injury, product liability, with the families of those who have been killed, disabled, paraplegic, quadraplegic, dealing with various products in the economy — it’s given me insight into how business and the economy work. My legal work for unions early in my career gave me a tremendous appreciation for the role of strong unions. Certainly the Bhopal case involving Union Carbide gave me a tremendous perspective on foreign issues, dealing with the highest levels of government. I’ve worked in a number of discrete areas looking at issues from all perspectives.
Read More InsideJB: And moving forward a bit, you first ran for Senate in 2000. Obviously you didn’t win, but are there already parallels between the issues then and now?
MC: Well, we did pretty well in 2000 for my first time in, going into an endorsing convention, saying we weren’t going to abide, and still almost getting the endorsement. So ultimately, of course we weren’t successful, but for a first time out, it wasn’t bad.
In 2000 I was talking about terrorism, I was talking about a family relief act, education, health care, and where the middle class was going. Those issues have been unfortunately exacerbated by this administration — college education is much more costly, students are graduating with forty, fifty thousand dollars in debt, environmental issues have not been addressed, we were led into this disastrous war that’s been managed so splendidly by our military and incompetently by civilians…the issues I talked about — making sure that you have a healthy, educated workforce that can be competitive — are present today, only in greater concern, and there’s a greater sense of urgency about them.
JB: There were rumors flying all over the place during the 2006 election that you were about to get into that Senate race…what happened?
MC: Well, I had professional responsibilities at the time…I thought we had a good candidate, and she turned out to be a great candidate. I kept my eye on the Senate, but it wasn’t the right time.
JB: What are the most important issues in this campaign?
MC: Number one is the war, obviously. This war has destabilized the Middle East, caused tremendous loss of prestige for America abroad, damage to our leadership on issues where America used to lead, we will have spent over $530 billion by the end of fiscal ’08, we’ve lost over thirty-five hundred of our finest young men and women, and as a result we’ve been unable to address the problems that concern us at home. We haven’t gone after al Qaeda the way we should; this war has affected us negatively internationally and also nationally here at home.
JB: on illegal immigration — do you think the Immigration bill that passed the Senate today is a good compromise?
MC: I have two concerns about that bill — I haven’t read the whole bill, so I’m not sure what the enforcement provisions against employers are – the first concern is the securing of our borders at the outset. I don’t think walls are the way to do it, there are a lot of virtual and people things you can do to secure the borders. I think it’s somewhat ironic that we’re talking about securing the borders in Iraq, but yet we can’t do it here at home. I hope the bill includes true funding to secure our borders. The other concern I have is the guest worker issue — being here, then out, then here, then out, and so on, doesn’t seem to me to be calculated to lead to compliance by those who come in. I think we have to think a little harder about guest workers; I’m very much in agreement that we need to find a way to deal with the illegal aliens that are here — we’re not going to round up everyone and send them back to Mexico and other countries. It’s an impossible task, and for a whole host of reasons it’s wrong.
I haven’t heard anyone complain about how hard these people work when they get here, and they’re overwhelmingly good family people. Everything I’ve read in terms of where these folks are employed, they’re needed. There is a middle ground, but we have to make sure that we’re not making a situation we’ll just have to face again in ten or twenty years down the road. Politics is the art of compromise — when I was on the Kerri Miller show on MPR recently, I said then that immigration should be one issue that can find a bipartisan solution.
JB: On health care — is single-payer health care the right answer?
MC: No. Take a look at Medicare, for example, which pays for procedures, but doesn’t pay for outcomes. We’re a net exporter of Medicare dollars in Minnesota; we get less Medicare funding than New Jersey or Florida for the same procedures — we’re a large country, and larger states have more members of the House, and a system of that nature is subject to those political influences. A gigantic single-payer bureaucracy is not the way to go. We don’t have a broken health care system, we don’t really have a health care system as all.
We need to expand preventive health care, more efficiently utilize information technology, and provide basic coverage for everyone. Insurance should be portable, it should cover pre-existing diseases, we should be able to negotiate with drug companies, and we need to start looking at outcome-based medicine. Most health care costs come in at the end of life and to treat chronic diseases. Preventive health care would eliminate a lot of those costs. Most students of health care agree these things are needed, but political will is needed to get there.
JB: A fairly common talking point on the Republican side targets trial lawyers in particular and tort reform as a goal. How will you respond to that on the campaign trail?
MC: What’s the greatest economy on Earth? America. What’s the strongest legal system in the world? The United States. There’s no runaway in torts in this country. The greatest increase in cases in state and federal court system is businesses suing businesses. Individual cases have actually gone down. So tort reform is a false issue — it’s one of the issues used by Republicans to separate people instead of bringing them together. They want the courts to be for themselves instead of for the people. It’s the people’s court; the people pay for it and are entitled to seek redress. The Founding Fathers wouldn’t sign the Constitution without the 7th Amendment. I’m never going to be shy about representing grievously injured people, great companies, countries, states, government entities. We have the greatest economy in the world in no small measure due to our legal system. So I’d love to have that debate. I know it better than other folks, and I want to have that debate.
JB: In terms of campaign mechanics…there’s been some confusion on whether you intend to abide by the DFL endorsement. Are you going to abide?
MC: I think there may be some confusion about this…I’ve said I think the process needs to be open, and I would only revisit this if the system were changed. There was some talk about moving up the primary to June, but that’s not going to happen this cycle. If that did happen, I think all bets would be off for everybody. With an open system, it doesn’t make any difference whether the caucuses are in March or February. My intention is to abide.
JB: You’re coming at this campaign from a very Metro-centric position — how will you appeal to voters in greater Minesota
MC: I came from a lower-middle-class family, my dad was a small businessman. I know what it is to make a budget, make sure people have good pensions, jobs, health care, and I think that appeals to swing voters as well as the Democratic base. I understand the issues in greater Minnesota well, I’ve been active in studying those issues, and I got tremendous support last time. Nobody will outwork me in going and listening — one thing people know about me is that I will listen carefully.
JB: What do you think Norm Coleman’s single worst vote has been in the Senate?
MC: I’m looking forward to debating Norm Coleman, and I don’t think he’s looking forward to debating me. A single worst vote, though…rather than looking at a single worst vote, I think you have to look at what someone stands for. I would ask “what does Norm Coleman stand for?” Democrats, independents, Republicans don’t know what he stands for except for himself — he seems to move with the wind. He’s voted with George W. Bush 88% of the time over his term. If Minnesotans want someone who votes with George W. Bush 88% of the time, they should vote for Norm Coleman. I’m certain that’s what Minnesotans do not want.
JB: What/who’s your favorite…
Ice cream flavor: Probably a tossup between mint chocolate chip and maple praline.
Political role model: The person I would look to in the past is Robert F. Kennedy.
Leisure activity: I read a lot, and play….well, I play at golf. I’m not very good.
Book you’re currently reading: I just finished Fiasco, and I’m currently reading Frank Luntz’s Words that Matter. I just finished a couple of books on Islam as well that were very interesting.
JB: last question: can you describe the theme of this campaign in a single sentence?
MC: If I had to put it in a single phrase…”Common sense for the common good”. That, and “Results Matter.”
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Comment posted June 27, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Luntz? Ciresi is reading Frank Luntz? For what? To know how to do unethical propaganda?
Comment posted June 27, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Follow-up on Terrorism I have a post up on Minnesota Democrats Exposed about Ciresi’s claim in this interview that he talked about terrorism during the 2000 campaign.
I did a quick search through my archives and I couldn’t find an example of Ciresi talking about terrorism during the 2000 campaign. I did a newspaper search and I couldn’t find an example of Ciresi talking about terrorism.
I also reviewed Ciresi’s 2000 campaign website and I couldn’t find an example of Ciresi talking about terrorism. I couldn’t even find the word “terrorism” anywhere on Ciresi’s 2000 website.
Comment posted June 27, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
desperate? someone sure seems desperate for click-throughs. Supporting Norm and then trying to find inconsistencies in your opponents must be confusing. I guess you need to build a mountain to counterbalance everything. good luck with that.
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Comment posted June 27, 2007 @ 5:14 am
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Comment posted June 27, 2007 @ 7:23 am
Follow-up on Terrorism I have a post up on Minnesota Democrats Exposed about Ciresi's claim in this interview that he talked about terrorism during the 2000 campaign.
I did a quick search through my archives and I couldn't find an example of Ciresi talking about terrorism during the 2000 campaign. I did a newspaper search and I couldn't find an example of Ciresi talking about terrorism.
I also reviewed Ciresi's 2000 campaign website and I couldn't find an example of Ciresi talking about terrorism. I couldn't even find the word “terrorism” anywhere on Ciresi's 2000 website.
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