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	<title>Comments on: BBC/Arab media: Iraqi shoe-thrower is being tortured</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-39221</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me you ask you these questions.

1. What would happen if he threw the shoe at Saddam Hussein?
He would have either be executed or thrown in jail the rest of his life, and beaten if thrown in jail, no difference here.

2. What if he threw the shoe here in the USA?
He would have be shot dead by the President&#039;s bodyguards or severly wounded and still possibly die.  If he lived he would have been thrown jail a lot longer than 1 year, and think what would happen to him here in jail, a lot worst than happen there especially if he was in generally population, i.e. rapped, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me you ask you these questions.</p>
<p>1. What would happen if he threw the shoe at Saddam Hussein?<br />
He would have either be executed or thrown in jail the rest of his life, and beaten if thrown in jail, no difference here.</p>
<p>2. What if he threw the shoe here in the USA?<br />
He would have be shot dead by the President&#8217;s bodyguards or severly wounded and still possibly die.  If he lived he would have been thrown jail a lot longer than 1 year, and think what would happen to him here in jail, a lot worst than happen there especially if he was in generally population, i.e. rapped, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: douggard</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-21205</link>
		<dc:creator>douggard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the guys who dragged him out of the conference room beat the hell out of him - there was blood on the carpet and stuff (i really have no problem with this)


guy did some annoying shit and got the crap beat out of him, who cares?

if the guy got shot on site, no one would throw any more fucking shoes - there would obviously be a liberal shit storm about human rights, but at least then, i would never have to hear about this bullshit again

forget bush, forget iraq, forget your stupid politics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the guys who dragged him out of the conference room beat the hell out of him &#8211; there was blood on the carpet and stuff (i really have no problem with this)</p>
<p>guy did some annoying shit and got the crap beat out of him, who cares?</p>
<p>if the guy got shot on site, no one would throw any more fucking shoes &#8211; there would obviously be a liberal shit storm about human rights, but at least then, i would never have to hear about this bullshit again</p>
<p>forget bush, forget iraq, forget your stupid politics</p>
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		<title>By: lnu-mnu-fnu</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-21156</link>
		<dc:creator>lnu-mnu-fnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would keep this scumbag in custody until he eats both shoes that he threw.  These people need to learn the difference between free expression and violating the rights of others.  Same with the street protesters who burn storefronts and overturn cars.  Just because you want to express yourself, it does not give you the right to impose on the peace or property of others.  He was a journalist, he should have held a press conference or written an article calling the President a dog if he wanted.  Try to be fair and take step back.  Divorce this case from your hatred of George W. Bush.  Throwing two shoes at someone&#039;s head is assault.  Not attempted assault--assault.  If it would have succeeded and hit him, it would have been battery.  Assault is a crime.  This guy needs to have an appropriate punishment for this crime.  And because he did it, at least in part, to get attention, that is an extenuating factor that would justify punishment on the more severe end of the scale for this kind of crime.  I would say, all things considered, give him 3 months in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would keep this scumbag in custody until he eats both shoes that he threw.  These people need to learn the difference between free expression and violating the rights of others.  Same with the street protesters who burn storefronts and overturn cars.  Just because you want to express yourself, it does not give you the right to impose on the peace or property of others.  He was a journalist, he should have held a press conference or written an article calling the President a dog if he wanted.  Try to be fair and take step back.  Divorce this case from your hatred of George W. Bush.  Throwing two shoes at someone&#8217;s head is assault.  Not attempted assault&#8211;assault.  If it would have succeeded and hit him, it would have been battery.  Assault is a crime.  This guy needs to have an appropriate punishment for this crime.  And because he did it, at least in part, to get attention, that is an extenuating factor that would justify punishment on the more severe end of the scale for this kind of crime.  I would say, all things considered, give him 3 months in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: gwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether one likes Bush or not, there is an essential question here:  Has the Iraqi government evolved far enough to treat the man in a democratic manner?  I am writing without proof that he was beaten/tortured.  If that is true and his arrest did not follow a fundamentally democratic process with right to trial, lawyers, and reasonable bond, then I suggest that we have wasted out time in delivering a democratic Iraq.  We are not he only ones on trial there, there country is being judged also.

As to those who feel that our president commands respect no matter what grief he has presented, I cannot agree.  Unfortunately, we are governed by a president and vice-president who have no respect for the Constitution or for the general well being of citizens of the United States.  Sadly, neither deserve respect from anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether one likes Bush or not, there is an essential question here:  Has the Iraqi government evolved far enough to treat the man in a democratic manner?  I am writing without proof that he was beaten/tortured.  If that is true and his arrest did not follow a fundamentally democratic process with right to trial, lawyers, and reasonable bond, then I suggest that we have wasted out time in delivering a democratic Iraq.  We are not he only ones on trial there, there country is being judged also.</p>
<p>As to those who feel that our president commands respect no matter what grief he has presented, I cannot agree.  Unfortunately, we are governed by a president and vice-president who have no respect for the Constitution or for the general well being of citizens of the United States.  Sadly, neither deserve respect from anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-20997</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fair thing to do is make the punishment fit the crime. If you throw a shoe at my president, then I (as well as all Republicans and some Iraq&#039;s) should reserve the right to throw my shoes at you too. Any injuries that result (ie broken arms, ribs etc) tuff luck. Don&#039;t throw shoes at my president! I don&#039;t care which president; past, present or future

He&#039;s lucky that&#039;s all he got away with

I think ALL secret service that were there should have the same punishment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fair thing to do is make the punishment fit the crime. If you throw a shoe at my president, then I (as well as all Republicans and some Iraq&#8217;s) should reserve the right to throw my shoes at you too. Any injuries that result (ie broken arms, ribs etc) tuff luck. Don&#8217;t throw shoes at my president! I don&#8217;t care which president; past, present or future</p>
<p>He&#8217;s lucky that&#8217;s all he got away with</p>
<p>I think ALL secret service that were there should have the same punishment</p>
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		<title>By: UKBlaza</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-20993</link>
		<dc:creator>UKBlaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.Bush is no better or worse than anyone else. If someone threw a shoe at me, they probably wouldn&#039;t even get arrested. I can understand that the shoe thrower was detained but he doesn&#039;t even deserve to be charged, let alone have his bones broken by thugs. If G.W.Bush was speaking the truth about freedom in Iraq, that man would have been released without a scratch. Bush needs to step in now and stop this from going any further or it&#039;s going to look even worse on him when he (probably) gets impeached for some of his blatant crimes after Obama takes over. Bush knows what he should do but let&#039;s face it, he is GITMO and supports the torturing of men who are being detained indefinitely without being charged. Bush is a liar and a coward, you could see how pathetic he looked when the shoes were heading his way. He can&#039;t operate without an entorage of gorillas around him and is despised the world over for his cowardice and incompetence. He continues to drag America through the dirt even now. I bet Obama is seething at this latest slur on America&#039;s reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.Bush is no better or worse than anyone else. If someone threw a shoe at me, they probably wouldn&#8217;t even get arrested. I can understand that the shoe thrower was detained but he doesn&#8217;t even deserve to be charged, let alone have his bones broken by thugs. If G.W.Bush was speaking the truth about freedom in Iraq, that man would have been released without a scratch. Bush needs to step in now and stop this from going any further or it&#8217;s going to look even worse on him when he (probably) gets impeached for some of his blatant crimes after Obama takes over. Bush knows what he should do but let&#8217;s face it, he is GITMO and supports the torturing of men who are being detained indefinitely without being charged. Bush is a liar and a coward, you could see how pathetic he looked when the shoes were heading his way. He can&#8217;t operate without an entorage of gorillas around him and is despised the world over for his cowardice and incompetence. He continues to drag America through the dirt even now. I bet Obama is seething at this latest slur on America&#8217;s reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: davee</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-20979</link>
		<dc:creator>davee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone seems to be missing the point here.

After the ‘attack’, and while the reporter was being hauled away and beaten, President Bush made light of the matter. He could have defused the entire incident right then and there by asking that no harm come to the assailant and letting him be released after the president left but instead, Mr. Bush decided to mock him.

There is little doubt that the Iraqis would have honored any clemency as a political favor had such a request been made.

Instead, Mr. Bush laughed and joked as the poor guy was hauled away to be beaten by his captors. Now, the Arab world sees the assailant as a hero and the Iraqis are coming together for perhaps the first time since the invasion. But are they coming together in support of American ideas about freedom and democracy? I think not. I think that the incident will have a long lasting galvanizing effect on relations between the United States and the rest of the world. 

The man was just doing what a lot of people were wishing they had the nerve to do and we attempt to treat it as though it were anything other than what it was; A political statement.

True, it was not a very smart thing to do, but the intent was not physical harm, but an emotional one. Our response (it IS a collective one) is to ridicule the guy, beat him mercilessly, throw him in prison for 15 years and proudly wash our hands of it because he is a ‘criminal’. All this will serve to do is to add fuel to the already significant anti-American sentiment around the world.

If we are to have any leadership on the world stage, we should be appealing for clemency on his behalf, not gloating on his demise. One more human sole rotting away in prison is not going to make a difference one way or the other, but showing the world that we can take an insult without resorting to the use of an iron fist would be priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to be missing the point here.</p>
<p>After the ‘attack’, and while the reporter was being hauled away and beaten, President Bush made light of the matter. He could have defused the entire incident right then and there by asking that no harm come to the assailant and letting him be released after the president left but instead, Mr. Bush decided to mock him.</p>
<p>There is little doubt that the Iraqis would have honored any clemency as a political favor had such a request been made.</p>
<p>Instead, Mr. Bush laughed and joked as the poor guy was hauled away to be beaten by his captors. Now, the Arab world sees the assailant as a hero and the Iraqis are coming together for perhaps the first time since the invasion. But are they coming together in support of American ideas about freedom and democracy? I think not. I think that the incident will have a long lasting galvanizing effect on relations between the United States and the rest of the world. </p>
<p>The man was just doing what a lot of people were wishing they had the nerve to do and we attempt to treat it as though it were anything other than what it was; A political statement.</p>
<p>True, it was not a very smart thing to do, but the intent was not physical harm, but an emotional one. Our response (it IS a collective one) is to ridicule the guy, beat him mercilessly, throw him in prison for 15 years and proudly wash our hands of it because he is a ‘criminal’. All this will serve to do is to add fuel to the already significant anti-American sentiment around the world.</p>
<p>If we are to have any leadership on the world stage, we should be appealing for clemency on his behalf, not gloating on his demise. One more human sole rotting away in prison is not going to make a difference one way or the other, but showing the world that we can take an insult without resorting to the use of an iron fist would be priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Cokehead</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-20959</link>
		<dc:creator>Cokehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when we throw shoes at people, we should fully expect to be tortured by a government that frequently claims that it doesn&#039;t? My, my, it seems I might be safer with murder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when we throw shoes at people, we should fully expect to be tortured by a government that frequently claims that it doesn&#8217;t? My, my, it seems I might be safer with murder!</p>
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		<title>By: Galvin</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/20326/is-the-iraqi-shoe-thrower-being-tortured/comment-page-1#comment-20951</link>
		<dc:creator>Galvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if an American reporter hurls shoes at a visiting foreign president or prime minister will he be let off with a slap on the wrist?

The reporter knew exactly the repercussions of his insult/assault. Suppose if the shoe stuck the president and injured his eye?

If you want to play with fire prepare to be burnt.Do not degrade the presidency for the man.There are other ways to protest.

I wonder whether US would have invaded Iraq if their main asset was broccoli and coffee beans and not oil.(Not my own)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if an American reporter hurls shoes at a visiting foreign president or prime minister will he be let off with a slap on the wrist?</p>
<p>The reporter knew exactly the repercussions of his insult/assault. Suppose if the shoe stuck the president and injured his eye?</p>
<p>If you want to play with fire prepare to be burnt.Do not degrade the presidency for the man.There are other ways to protest.</p>
<p>I wonder whether US would have invaded Iraq if their main asset was broccoli and coffee beans and not oil.(Not my own)</p>
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		<title>By: shahab</title>
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		<dc:creator>shahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i give the man props....i would do the same</description>
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