If you accept taxpayer money, you have to accept that you’re going to receive public scrutiny.
That simple point seems to be eluding Minnesota Teen Challenge (MNTC), the faith-based drug treatment program which secured a federal earmark in early 2008 arranged by Rep. Jim Ramstad and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, for its “Know the Truth” program which aims to prevent drug use.
Operating close to the border of church and state, the group’s members are unrealistic if they think their work is not going to get attention.
Klobuchar’s deputy chief of staff, Andrea Mokros, explains the senator’s role in requesting the earmark. “The Senator joined several members of the state delegation, including Jim Ramstad and Keith Ellison, in submitting the request for a Minnesota program to prevent drug abuse. As a former prosecutor, she has long been concerned about the impact of drug abuse on both individuals and the community, and she has worked with a range of groups that work to prevent and treat drug addiction.”
MNTC officials were upset by my coverage of their public statements, publicly available employment application materials and publicly available information about their ties to the national organization that spawned the local operation. Maia Szalavitz, a Huffington Post writer with expertise in traumatized youth, also wrote about the Ramstad earmark. While Szalavitz and I published similar articles on the same day, we haven’t ever communicated with each other.
In response, MNTC executive director Rich Scherber sent a nearly identically worded letter to both the Minnesota Independent and the Huffington Post.
The point of my article was not to suggest that MNTC was not successful or beneficial, as Scherber implies. Rather it was to point out the overtly religious nature of the organization and that the program has historically been controversial. In the interest of brevity, I left some examples out. For instance, MNTC’s stance on Halloween verges on the comical (”Halloween is a day set up totally for Satan … The more people who go out dressed as demons, ghosts, witches and goblins, the more glory Satan receives”). Scherber’s claim that the Holy Spirit told an MNTC bus driver to avoid the 35-W bridge on the day of its collapse in August 2007 is touching but, let us say, unverified.
I don’t question that faith-based programs can be very effective for those that share the programs’ faith. Faith is a huge motivator in people’s lives. I think MNTC has been very effective for the clients it serves. However, I don’t think it’s appropriate for judges, prosecutors or public defenders to suggest the program as an alternative to jail. (Szalavitz, by the way, vehemently disagrees with MNTC’s claims about its success rate).
I also wrote about a local media report that points to the possibility that Know the Truth staff have discussed their religious conversions in relation to their recovery at a local church. That’s not a bad thing in itself, except the Know the Truth program is paid for by people who don’t share that religious faith. Were those Know the Truth representatives telling the same stories in public schools? Scherber didn’t address the issue in any complaint letters.
At least one Twin Cities school has decided to pass on MNTC’s offer to appear. Know the Truth had a presentation scheduled at South High School in Minneapolis next month. The school canceled the appearance after tightening the restrictions on outside groups that speak at the school, a concerned parent told the Minnesota Independent.
One thing is clear. The pressure to keep a positive public image is important to MNTC at this time. As the group’s Web site acknowledges, MNTC invested money in Fidelis Foundation, an institution created by Christian philanthropist Tom Petters, who is now under investigation for organizing a Ponzi scheme and defrauding investors such as the Fidelis Foundation. MNTC lost a lot of money and Klobuchar’s proposed earmark will certainly help ease the burden a little. What else could explain sending form letters to every media outlet that runs an article critical of the organization?
Correction: The article previously read, “According to Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s Web site, the senator is requesting (PDF) an additional $500,000 this year — a sum that would more than double the program’s budget.”
The document on Klobuchar’s site is for fiscal year 2009, although the document itself does not indicate as such. She requested the same earmark as Ramstad. Additional money is not being requested for FY2010.














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Comment posted December 17, 2008 @ 11:18 am
Isn’t this similar to the slush fund Abramoff had set up: Congress criter gets program funded, program pays funds to front business or direct to lobbyist. Lobbyist donates money to congress critter to get more government funding.
Ramstad/Bachmann get funds for MNTC, MNTC promptly loses money to Petters. So did Petters donate to Ramstad and Bachmann,… or indirectly?
Comment posted December 17, 2008 @ 12:04 pm
While Petters did not donate directly to Bachmann, his close asssociate, Frank Vennes Jr., who is deeply connected to Fidelis and was once on the board of MNTC, has donated tens of thousands of dollars to Bachmann between him and his family members. Bachmann then wrote a letter of recommendation for a presidential pardon for Vennes, who is a convicted money launderer and gun and drug dealer but has not yet been charged in the Petters case. Bachmann withdrew her letter of recommendation for a pardon once Vennes was publicly implicated in the Petters scandal. Bachmann has long been a supporter of MNTC but has refused to discuss her relationship with Vennes.
It’s worth noting that Norm Coleman wrote not one but two letters of recommendation for a pardon for Vennes. Coleman has received campaign contributions from both Vennes and Petters.
Birds of a feather…
Comment posted December 17, 2008 @ 12:09 pm
“Bachmann then wrote a letter of recommendation for a presidential pardon for Vennes, who is a convicted money launderer and gun and drug dealer”
Huh. Did the Congresswoman forget that Bill Clinton is no longer in office? All the money launderer and gun and drug dealer pardons done been given out.
Comment posted December 17, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
icecycle, your comment smacks of desperation.
Comment posted December 17, 2008 @ 6:51 pm
It’s also interesting to note that Teen Challenge nationally recently scrubbed their website of the link to the Exodus “pray away the gay” ministries.
Comment posted December 18, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
Teen Challenge is a joke! The clients I have had there don’t make it. They are taught the bible will cure everything. I think most people who go there from the “system” think it will be easier than jail. I would never recommend this program. Its nothing more than a taxpayer parasite.
Comment posted December 24, 2008 @ 8:11 am
Both personally and professionally, I question MTC’s results and methods. I am a recovering person, who went through the old standard Minnesota model back when it was actually funded, and the all important halfway house stay was beyond the now given 90 days, get a job and out the door funding cycle. The greatest predictor for any treatment method is length of time and continuity of care, or support as it really should be called. And, being an agnostic, such an overt program of religious indoctrination would never have worked for me or for most I know. At least within 12 step groups, there is an acknowledgment and respect ( most of the time) of diversity and backgrounds. There is another part of the story being missed here; Most of us, when we come to treatment in a willing state of mind, are vulnerable and have often never had any esteem with which to guide ourselves and make healthy decisions. During my stay and afterwards, there were always acolytes of various religions trolling for new subjects. I was, luckily, always suspicious. One of the reasons was my observations in prison, where I saw sex offenders flock to the religious conversion method of Alcoholics Victorious, where they would pray and lay on the hands…they never came to the 12 step groups. I asked a counselor about this, and I think her answer is valid. In standard counseling, and in the 12 steps, there needs to be self examination and acknowledgment of wrong doing, whether a consciously chosen behavior or not. With religious conversions, there is never an examination of one’s own errors in judging reality or behavior; One just merely finds Jesus and chants the rules. It is wonderfully simple and appears effective, but it is not. It is the old “putting the cork on the bottle” simile, only with a rigid ideology to mask the symptoms. Forcing any religious program is, essentially, forcing addicts to join a religious cult when they are least able to make decisions for themselves. Finally, using government funding to support this organization appear to be a fairly obvious violation of the separation clause.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 9:59 am
Ya know, I find it interesting how many people think they are entitled to an aopinion concerning something they obviously know nothing about.
I went through 13 secular treatment centers over a 27 year drinking career. None worked because they were secular. The Lord Jesus Christ was the only road to recovery for me. If the way to Christ is (in your opinion) a cult….I’m in. MNTC saved my life. Literally. I graduated TC in May of 2006. Since then I have moved back home to Iowa, have a home that I support on my own, I work at a secured job for the state of Iowa and most importantly of all… I am a working member of the First Church of the Open Bible. I teach Sunday School to preschool and Kindergarten children. Only God in heaven is responsible for the profound change that occured in me. Thank you Teen Challenge, Pastor Rich and wife.
Those STEPS are a joke. If ya wanna whine about your lousy life and learn how to be a better alcoholic or addict…keep coming back..I chose the stairway to Heaven!!!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 10:01 am
Well, I went thru 5 treament centers before going to MNTC and am finally sober… I am a chronic Alcholic and couldn’t get sober until I was abmitted to a year long treatment facilty where I was forced to face why I was drinking. I am thankful that I can say if it wasn’t for MNTC, my family would have barried me six feet under by now…
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 10:12 am
I am a MNTC grad and let me tell you this program saved my life. I am not saying I believe all the views of the program but I took what I needed from the program and made it work for me and I was one of those that was facing prison. I was given that chance too change my life if not for that chance I believe I would have gone to prison and came out worse then when I went in and that won’t have helped mt children either.You can say what you want about MNTC but as for me I know that other (45 day)treatment programs don’t do the job look at all the celebrities that are always in and out of rehab and how about just the locals here that are on there 5 or 6 time in rehab. I myself am very greatful for this program it helped save my life I am now 8 yrs clean of meth and I’m not looking back I am on a HIGHER road now thanks to MNTC.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 10:14 am
I am a graduate of the program and it was a great program back in 1998 when I went through the program as it is now as a much bigger program. I have no doubt in my mind that this program works. While it may not necessarily work for everyone it does work for the majority. And it works for those whose hearts are really in it to stay strong and hold to the Truth they were taught within the Program.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 10:16 am
I am a graduate of Teen Challenge and am eternally grateful for all that the ministry has done for me and my family.
Paul O stated, “With religious conversions, there is never an examination of one’s own errors in judging reality or behavior;”…this is not true of Teen Challenge. We face what we have done and what was done to us and work through it. That is part of the reason that it is such a long program. There cannot be any healing or growth from our past without facing it and going through it and learning from it and then, ultimately, using it to help others who are still out there.
Yes, some people in jail do think it’s easier than jail, however, it is not. Those in jail only learn new crimes and make new connections and come out worse…not all, but a majority. However, when they come to Teen Challenge, it may start out as a way to stay out of jail, but it doesn’t remain that way. Those that do not succeed at Teen Challenge are those that are not ready to give up their old ways. Teen Challenge does not “miraculously heal people”, only God can do that. They give people the tools to deal with life…they give them an alternative to the drug use and the crimes we used to use to avoid our issues. It is hard work and will always be hard work…but no one, especially not TC, said it was going to be easy.
I am eternally grateful to the ministry of TC and to those that support it. I am now giving back to the community instead of taking from it. My family has also been restored. After losing custody of my kids for 7 years due to my drug use of 27 years, I now have them back. It is because I have learned a new way, a successful way of living in this world without using or succumbing to crime to make my way. It’s not about religion, it’s about God…if you gave Him half a chance, you would know that.
The world is changing…secular treatments don’t always work, jail certainly doesn’t work..please, tell me, what is wrong with trying something that has a higher success rate than most? Who is it hurting? The taxpayer’s money goes to those in jail, why not use it to educate them instead.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 10:24 am
I am a Nov.2008 graduate of MNTC and would like you to know that this program may have some faults but overall it is the best program out ther! I’ve spent time in jail and prison treatment programs that do not give you hope of a new life, they tell you that it’s a matter of 12 steps ? Come on people pull yourselves together ! what are you afraid that Pastor Rich may show you that drugs and crime are truely a sin issue. People are going to continue the life that they know unless someone like Pastor Rich shows people how to get the sin out of our life’s !!! Pastor Rich and MNTC have done more for this ugly world than anyone of you peole could ever imagine…. I for one am thankful for all that MNTC has not only done for me but for my family !!!!!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
I am a dec 2006 grad.of MNTC,and I can attest to the I35 bridge re-route,I was on that bus when we were given orders too take the long way around.SO there its verified!If that was’nt god sent I dont know what is.I dont know where you people get off ripping on a program that helps out so many people,Ive seen SO MANY lives changed because of this program,Its turned my life around.GOD IS GOOD!It amazes me how people can bad talk on something they have no clue about..plan and simple NEGATIVE FALSE MEDIA!!!!1
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 3:43 pm
I work for a construction firm in Minneapolis. We did close to $1 billion in construction in 2008. We’re the 5th largest construction firm and 11th largest family-owned business in the state. We’ve placed many Mn Teen Challenge graduates with full time jobs. Better than 80% of them remain drug free, work full time and are contributing citizens. We track all of the applicants that come to us from sources like The Minnesota Department of Corrections, Hazelden, Minnesota Teen Challenge and many others. Some faith-based and some not. We track their job retention, rate of promotion/raises, relapse and criminal re-offense rates. The success we’ve experienced from the traditional “non-religious 12-Step” programs, is less than half that of MNTC and similar faith-based programs. The “12 Steppers” retain their jobs at a rate less than half as long as those coming out of faith based programs. The relapse rate of the “12 Steppers” in our program is even worse. This is primarily due to a general avoidance of accountability structure other than meetings and a disinterest in “giving back” to others in need. Almost all of our employees from Christian recovery programs do not attend AA or NA. Most of them, however, attend church on a regular basis and volunteer in their communities to help make the world a better place. Not just themselves. I’m just stating facts. Our annual budget for providing these services to the community is just over $129k. This year alone, we saved Minnesota taxpayers almost $2 million, helping to keep these people out of treatments and prisons. Come give our books a look, or I’ll take you around town for a few weeks so you can meet all of our applicants. Seeing is believing. I am not a religious man, I am simply a promoter of what works. I’ve seen the results and have ample PROOF to draw a conclusion apart from my personal opinions. MINNESOTA TEEN CHALLENGE WORKS!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
I am a Nov. 2002 graduate of MN. Teen Challenge and i could slam you guys like you are slamming them but, it isn’t in me any more to slam people. I know for a fact that if not for their 12 month program, i would be dead or still out there on crack. The reason why most secular county treatment programs don’t work is because they are only 20-30 days long ( not long enough to actually sober up) and they just try to get you off the drugs and alcohol ( not clean up your mind and heart like MNTC does). If you don’t deal with the setbacks, heartbreaks and anger management, time management, you’re gonna fall. I would not be alive if not for Jesus and MNTC.
My old probation agent from Henepin county is a Christian and a strong supporter of MNTC.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
I recently attended MNTC this year for 7 months. I did not graduate, for my own personal reasons. But, in no way is Teen Challenge at fault for my not completing!I got ALOT out of their program and have since recommended it to another person I know with a drug problem. Teen Challenge is not a very hard program…..IT’S THE HARDEST PROGRAM! And it’s that way for a reason! When a person has spent a majority of their life using and abusing chemicals, like I did, they NEED LONG TERM STRUCTURE AND DISCIPLINE! And more importantly, they need spiritual guidance! How can anyone expect to fix 20 years of chemical abuse in 30 days?! You can’t! That’s why a majority of people who attend those 30 day “quick fix” programs end up in relapse very shortly after completion.
Minnesota Teen Challenge provides long-term structure, discipline and most importantly (something that regular treatments DON’T provide) Spititual Guidance and ALOT OF LOVE! The people taht work there don’t even get paid that much and they treat you with every ounce of love that they have in their hearts! How ANYONE can say ANYTHING bad about Teen Challenge is far beyond my understanding! They OBVIOUSLY don’t know anything about the program and probably don’t even believe in God!
While I was there I did see people come into the program trying to get out of a prison sentence. But, I also saw those same people touched by God and turn their lives around so dramaticly that it was hard to even recognize them when they graduated! THAT is something you don’t see in a 30 day program! You CANNOT attend this program and NOT have your heart changed by the Holy Spirit! I saw people who hadn’t even seen their children in many many years, be reunited with their kids and start new relationships with them.
And to those who think it’s a waist of money to fund MNTC……MNTC costs ALOT less for a year in their program than 30 days in other programs that have a higher percentage of relapse.
Even though I didn’t complete MNTC, my life changed FOR THE BETTER while I was there! Thanks 1st to God; 2nd to MNTC;….I have been sober now for over 2 years, I am enrolled in college, reguarly attend Church and my family is continually awe-struck by the changes that they have seen in me! MINNESOTA TEEN CHALLENGE WORKS!!!!
National Geographic recently stated that 1 out of every 3 people on the planet are Christians……that’s 2 billion people! How could that many people be wrong?! God Bless!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 3:54 pm
I am some of Minnesota Teen Challenge’s results and proof that this program does work! MNTC is not just a program and is not based on Religion. You people who have so much time to bash Teen Challenge so go and sit a day in the chair’s and desk’s that I once sat in! It is not an alternative to Jail, it is something that has saved my life! Rich Sherber is the most godly compassinate man I have ever meet and Minneosta is fortunate to have him to help clean up, what us as addicts and alcoholics have ruined in this state. Teen Challenge teaches you that you do not have to fill the void in your spirit, soul, mind or heart or even the void of hurt in your past that you have been filling with drugs, alcohol, gambling or bad relationships. Teen Challenge teaches you that you can fill that void with something real, God! I have never known what real Love was and when I came to Teen Challenge the staff there opened their arms to love me and stand by me every step of the way, through instruction by the word of God and real life examples. Most people cannot even do that for their children!Today I have a relationship with God and I know what it means to be free. You don’t have to be an addict or an alcoholic to be in bondage and not enjoy life the way God created us to live. God is not religion, God gave us the place-the United States- you call home. Sit a day in the Teen Challenge Program no matter who you are whether you have bashed Teen Challenge or not, or even God, Rich Sherber and the staff at Teen Challenge would invite you in to check it out, to see God move. Not many people would even do that in their own home.
My question for you who disagree with Teen Challenge is, Would the streets and would the things you guys put a price on, maybe it’s material things,maybe its your childrens health(staying off chemicals themselves),maybe it’s youre job, whatever it is…would those things be safer or closer to you and moving in the right direction if Teen Challenge wasn’t invloved if God wasn’t God?
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 4:17 pm
I left Dayton, ohio for one reason, i needed help with an addiction that i muyself could not kick.Whatever lead me to Teen-Challenge lead me to the right path to bieng a succesful christian. It is the intentions of a mans heart that developes a vision to help others. T he program was and is design to see that the intentions are carried out to the3 best of the ability of a mans heart.My uncle was a alcohlic and was ran over by a train in 1985, alcohol was a factor. I seen my uncle in me, he was a drunk I was a drunk he had one daughter i had one daughter a generation skiped over he was ran over by a train.Teen- Challenge open there doors to me. i am very grateful that a faith base program seen somthing in me other than a undertaker sewing my body up so my arm would not fall out the coffin when my seen me dead. GOD IS A BIG FACTOR OF MY LIFE AND TEEN CHALLENGE WAS INVOLVED IN MY TRANSFORMATION
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
I am a graduate of many programs, including Teen Challenge. It was the last one and for a reason… body and mind are what other programs address… body, mind and Spirit are what MnTC address. The three work together and without any one of them, something will be missing. Thank you MnTC for being no less than fulfilling.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
To Paul O.
Christianty does help you see and understand yourself, not gloss it over with chants and more lies. It causes one to face their past and deal with the consequence without regret – which can be hard for a non-Christian to grasp. Don’t worry, there IS difference between salvation and sanctification – one is immediate, the other takes your whole lifetime. And that’s the Way it is.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
Please, would someone show me where the separation of church and state is mandated. So far no one has. It does not exist except for interpretations of someone else’s opinion of what they heard from someone’s cousin (that’s how undefined it actually is). It was in a letter from a politian (Jefferson)to a church, and other than that it simply does not exist in legislature. If you can show me anything other than a reiteration of folklore, please, please show me.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Hi there …
I graduated TC in June 2007. It is a tremendous program and is filled with people of the highest integrity. I don’t have any comments on this article in particular, other than that it was a bit of a bore to read. My comment is simply that I was once blind, and now I see. TC had a lot to do with that.
Thanks!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
Wow, where to start! First, I graduated in 2004 from MNTC after being a convicted fellon for all my life, a cheater, a lier, an alcoholic,
drug user and dealer. I was getting ready to commit suicide because for me life was not worth living anymore; what was the point? In tears and silence I asked God “If you give me my life back I will live my life for you.” Almost 5 years later I am still alive. I teach the word of God at my church. I was a hope coach for a phone line where teenagers in crisis call in for help because they have no where else to go. These are teenagers on drugs, pregnant, wanting to commit suicide, and with parental problems. I thank God for giving me the opportunity to be there for them.
I hear so many bad things about MNTC from these writers, and my question is this, have you asked all the MNTC graduates who are successful in the ministry, gone to missions all over the world, and
the many who are involved in the community what they think of the program and what it has done for their lives?
Do you want to talk about money..don’t get me started on this subject.
How about all the goverment agencies that are feeding on our tax money, all of the high salary execitives with hotel and dinner allowances or the park ranger who makes over $100,000 in overtime doing what..cleaning toilets.Common.
Someone said something about halloween being comical, listen halloween is a time for many to dress up and have fun yes, but halloween is the celebration of the dead. People go out and get drunk and stupid then they drive killing themselves and many innocent people, is that fun to you?..I dont think so.
when you talk about self examination and wrong doing I think you have
it all wrong Mr Paul O. You see the first step for salvation and forgiveness from our Lord Jesus Christ is to admit that we have been wrong and sinned, ask Him for forgiveness and to accept Him in our heart. Thats when lives begin to change! We have to change by renewing our minds with His truth everyday.
Let me close for now with this story.
Hundreds of fish were washed ashore, a man begins throwing them into the water one by one. Another man comes along and asked “what are you doing?” and he replied “I am giving this one his life back”, “but there are so many” the man asked and the fisherman said “yes but I
will make a difference in this one and this one and……..!
My point is If MNTC is giving life to so many people around the world isn’t it worth it?. Remember this, I could have being breaking into your home this Christmas….but instead I thank God that He has given me a new life….God says hell will not prevail AMEN.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
I am a graduate of Minnesota Teen Challenge. I had been through five treatment programs before MnTC with the same result, RELAPSE. The only program that has kept me sober (for over 3 years now) is Teen Challenge. I have only great things to say about their program.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
LOL, looks like Klobuchar sent as many brainwashed fundies as she could find to comment here. I bet some of them never even attended MNTC. Liars for Jesus.
It’s like that with the Goose-Step…um, I mean, 12-Step programs, too. They don’t work for 95% of people. But the True Believers™ never STFU about “Teh Prooooogrammmmm” or stop repeating their mindless little slogans.
I don’t question that faith-based programs can be very effective for those that share the programs’ faith. Faith is a huge motivator in people’s lives.
You absolutely should question it. Why the hell do so many people, including journalists, walk on eggshells around the matter of fayyyyyuuuuuth? Religious beliefs are unproven claims. Treat them with the skepticism they deserve.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
I am a 2007 graduate of Minnesota Teen Challenge, and I can say without a doubt, it is the best program out there! Not only did I graduate the program but I also was blessed with chance to work as an intern with the Know The Truth prevention program! It is very easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize what this program is doing but until you have witnessed first hand the influence this program has on Fathers and Mothers, Sisters, Brothers And children and the change involed in the lives of everyone who comes in contact God through this place, it is realy not your place to say anything! I have had the honor of sharing my story with teenagers in many schools and it is heart breaking to witness what is happening to our children in todays world! I never get over having children who are so young approch me and tell me that their lives are so bad they would rather smoke meth or cut themselves than face reality! And most are 12-17 years old! I can tell you from my own experience that no one is safe from the influence of drugs and depression and loss of hope. I can also tell you that if not for Teen Challenge, I would be dead! I just wanted to share my heart with you as one who has been there and not just one who maybe drove by the building or heard something from someone who talked to so and so and jumped on board with someone elses opinion! God bless Minnesota Teen Challenge!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
Oh, and Andy, Jesus died for you too! He was the Judge that went to jail(Hell) so that you have an option to seak him and not have to go! I think this program is a wonderfull alternative to prison!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
Our tax dollars go to many things many of us do not agree with. Why condemn something that works for some. I personally would not send anyone there for theological reasons of my own concern. Tax payers dollars are better here than going for the ACLU!!!!! Or fatting the pockets of Al Gores global warming spoof!!!!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
Our daughter is a recent graduate of MN Teen Challenge and we will forever be grateful to Pastor Rich and his staff for truly saving her life! Before MnTC, Sara’s life was a constant roller coaster of sexual abuse/drugs/alcohol; and she took her family and friends along for a an 8-year ride through hell. She went through numerous suicide attempts with lengthy stays in ICU and mental health units; was in/out of jail several times; and, was in 7 secular treatment centers until she went to MnTC at age 22. Within 2 days at MnTC, she told us there is no other treatment center like this around! The staff there truly care about the residents — they aren’t just a number or a statistic. To those of you who are cutting down MnTC — an organization of which you obviously know nothing about — I encourage you to go there, meet the staff firsthand and get to know the residents. Then go to a local church and listen to the MnTC Choir and the students’ testimonies — you will walk away inspired and uplifted! There is no doubt in our minds and hearts that our daughter is alive today only by the grace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ! Sara has God in her heart and a new life to live! Thank you MN Teen Challenge for believing in our daughter when other people in this world didn’t!!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 8:46 pm
I graduated from the 60 day program at MNTC. I was a sober alcoholic for 19 years in the 12-step program prior to this treatment. I attended meetings and was a very active member. I went into MNTC for a prescription pill addiction. I can say that this program is excellent. It is not a perfect program. There aren’t any out there when you are dealing with human beings that are fallable! The success rate of MNTC is much higher than any other secular treatment including the 12-step model. If you are at all familiar with the Big Book of AA you should know that the majority of that book comes straight from the bible only in layman’s terms. The purpose of the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous is to find a “power greater than yourself that will solve your problem”. That power is God. It even says, “may you find Him now”. That is in the book. It also says that we are to see where religious people of right. It says that we find that our problem is mental, physical and spiritual. It says than when we straighten out spiritually, the others will straighten out. Therefore our problem is a spiritual malady. It also says in the Big Book that we only have a daily reprieve based on the maintenance of our spiritual condition. So what that says is we have only “today” of sobriety based on how we practice our spiritual disciplines. If you knew anything about the AA program and where it started you would know it was based on the Oxford Groups which was a Christian Organization! Treatment centers have been the ones to cause the program to fall away from the original direction. Hazelden’s original meditation book, 24 Hours, has “the Lord” worded into most every devotion. Most AA meetings open with the Serenity prayer which in the long form refers to Jesus. The meetings end with the Lord’s Prayer. The judicial system has been recommending AA and secular treatment to people for years. Where is the separation of church and state there?! I know plenty of repeat drunk drivers that received their “get out of jail free” card by opting for secular treatment instead. They did their 30 days and went to a few AA meetings to get their card signed and never showed again. They are still driving on our highways! I know because I signed plenty of cards at meetings. Why should the taxpayer’s fund that. Why should the taxpayer’s fund jails. They house alot of drug addict’s. We fund it because we want to rehabilitate the criminals. We need a place to put people who commit crimes. If I am correct, we help people in jail get their education, file their appeals, have other programs to help them. MNTC does not try to indoctrinate people anymore than our prisons. A person is not coerced into believing in Jesus. They are loved back to health. You can leave anytime you want to. Why MNTC works so well is it is a place for individuals to find a “power greater than themselves” to conquer their addiction. That power is Jesus Christ!! I believe the reason our senators are supporting MNTC is because it is a program that works better than the others. Many of the applicants are Meth Users, don’t have insurance, and have been in numerous secular treatment centers. Obviously they need to try something different. Also, they need long term treatment. Our secular treatment centers won’t take alot of people if they don’t have insurance. Also, the secular treatments are closing just like the detox centers. The police don’t have any place to take the addicts anymore. We preach tolerance in our country so much that there is no truth anymore. Look at what happened in Amsterdam after they became so tolerant. Their society is full of drug addicts, prostitution, and immoral behavior. Without rules or morals, a society fails. Political correctness can get out of hand.
I believe the reason the people are slamming MNTC is due to ignorance and because you feel threatened. Christians have been persecuted for centuries. The whole reason the pilgrims came to our country was for religios freedom. Mainly, they didn’t want to follow a state run church that didn’t follow the bible. The pilgrims were stronger Christians. The separation of church and state was so that you could practice you Christian faith and that the state couldn’t tell you that you had to go to a staterun church. The Christianity in Europe became about corrupion and money. Remember, this country was founded on Christianity and not some other religion.
I pray that you will find Christ in your life and know the truth. The truth will set you free! I challenge you to read the bible from cover to cover and then we will discuss your comments/agnosticism. You can’t have an opinion without knowledge. That is an uneducated guess.
So next time you want to write an article, please do your research first.
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 8:47 pm
To: Confused
You’ll find what you are looking for in the Communist Manifesto 1919- Karl Marx- check it out!
Comment posted December 29, 2008 @ 11:07 pm
n Teen Challenge, and Teen Challenge all across the world is a fine first class Ministry, and God fearing place. If some who are opposing and making accusation will reason for a moment, and take time to look at the largwer picture, you’ll see There is a God, and He cares for you just as well as all the “so called crooks and drug dealers ect … We have all sinned against God no one is perfect. God used Teen Challenge in my life, and for the last 4 1/2 years, i’ve been not only drug free but i’ve been the healthiest, and best ever. I used to be stuck on sin in all kinds of ways; just as many are today; But I turned from my wicked ways, and by trusting in Jesus Christ I am now going to spend Eternity with my Creator/Savior Jesus.
We are so quick to judge everyone for all the bad things, but if all of our lives wee placed before the whole world to see right now, no one would be pointing the finger … thing about it, we all need a savior, and it’s Jesus. Teen Challenge has helped hundreds of thousands of people. I do full time street ministry all across the U.S … And I see many Teen Challenge ministries, and run into people who are still doing amazingly well … Know we will all givew a personal account to God, and if you slander His work, God’s wonderful work; You won’t face a judge here on earth maybe, but you will face the Lord God almighty … I pray for mercy, and grace to cover over your heart right now, and for Jesus to reveal Himself to you in a poweful way. God is God, and His love, mercy and judgments are forever.
Jesus is a Good God, and Wonderful Savior, and He is using this awesome ministry. Even if the people arent perfect, neither is anyone else, we all need Jesus.
~Jed L ———————————————————-
Comment posted December 30, 2008 @ 1:56 am
I am a 2007 graduate of MNTC, I have been to secular treatments that “lock” you up for 15,21,28 and sometimes even 60 days thinking that if they keep you away from that which you are addicted to, that POOF, you will be cured. I can’t think of anything more ridiculous. The bottom line is that addiction is a sin, and the only way to deal with sin is repentance and drawing nearer to God. I was caught in a downward spiral of cocaine addiction, near death a couple times and hopeless of getting help. I spent the last $125.00 to my name to catch a bus from Dallas,Tx to get into MNTC. It saved my life…PERIOD. I interned at MNTC upon graduation and am now proud to say that God has called me to serve as Program Staff at MNTC, where I see miracles performed regularly. So for all of you naysayers who start your day with a tall glass of HATERADE each day I leave you with this: GOD IS LOVE AND SO IS MINNESOTA TEEN CHALLENGE Have a BLESSED day.
Comment posted December 30, 2008 @ 8:53 am
I am a May 2007 graduate of MMNTC. I thank God for the privilege to go through this awesome life changing program. I spent many hours looking into the choices I made over 40+ years of my life. I have learned to see myself the way God does through His word. This was not a process without pain. But as I kept at it and was honest, I have become a person of character. I no longer have excuses for choosing to get high to deal with my emotions. Instead, I choose to take my emotions to God in prayer and yes, He does forgive and heal. He has taught me to forgive others because He has forgiven me. I too have been through several secular programs. I do not discount the role of a person getting clean from alcohol and drugs. However, there is more to life than recovery. I an an overcomer! Thank you Pastor Rich and Lynette for committing your lifes to the work of The Kingdom. This is all that will last for eternity, in Heaven anyway.
Comment posted December 30, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
Looks like somebody from Minnesota Teen Challenge has sent out an urgent plea for positive testimonials. Wouldn’t it be so much better if there were a program with all the benefits of MNTC without the crazy, fundamentalist, homophobic, nutjob agenda? Hmmmm…. wonder if $500,000 could have started up a program like that.
Comment posted December 30, 2008 @ 6:07 pm
Testimonials (such as those provided above) are no measure of a program’s effectiveness. Is anyone who testified here willing to be interviewed about the program? Has it been confirmed that all the testimonies have come from unique web addresses – or are there some sock puppets?
I notice that noone who testified here addresses the issue of how the program treats those who don’t share the same beliefs (Jews for examples) or how the program treats gays (from the links to exodus, and the speeches by Janet Boynes, it appears that for Teen Challenge, the only good gay is an ex-gay).
Public funding should only fund programs that serve all citizens. MN Teen Challenge does not.
Comment posted December 30, 2008 @ 6:41 pm
For all those who posted about the positive results they had from MNTC – great! Glad to hear it. Yet this does not explain why I as a taxpayer should fund an organization of such a religious bent that I find to be personally, morally and theologically objectionable. Given the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, I don’t. Surely $500,000 is a pittance for fellow-believers who share your faith to raise rather than imposing this burden on those of us who don’t? Nope, I wish you all well in your recovery but I do not care at all for the religion MNTC is peddling let alone attempting to do so while on the public dole.
Comment posted December 30, 2008 @ 7:59 pm
I’ve read the Bible “cover to cover” aside from a couple of the minor prophets. All it did was help me realise how royally screwed up and sado-masochistic Christianity is.
Comment posted December 31, 2008 @ 10:56 am
I grew up in the Assemblies of God church, and Teen Challenge is definitely another brainwashing arm of the church.
Anytime any of the doctrines were questioned, we were told that we had no faith and were helbound unless we BLINDLY ACCEPT everything we are taught.
We even used different versions of the Bible to back up what was taught, since some versions bend the truth better than others.
Sending a loved one to this denomination is worse than hell. If you love your child, stay away from the Assemblies of God!!!!
Comment posted December 31, 2008 @ 12:08 pm
It is impossible for non-Christians and Christians to be on the same page. For the Truth is revealed by the Holy Spirit. Ask Jesus into your heart. Confess that you are a sinner. Jesus will forgive you and send His Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth.
Becomming a Christian and changing your ways isn’t a heavy burden. God will meet you where you are at. He changes the desires of your heart. If you don’t want to change your ways, but something inside is saying, “There’s gotta be more”, give Jesus a try.
Comment posted December 31, 2008 @ 12:41 pm
Re: Eva Young
Well to give you an answer on your ? about Jews and such. I have been a witness to all walks of life Jews, Hmong, Native, ECT…. Come through this Program of Teen Challenge. Teen Challenge does not turn anyone away! All you people set on bashing Teen Challenge really are very clueless. This program works for all people groups, it is Bible based teaching. So if you do not beleave that God is the creator of all and Jesus is the Savior of this misguided world that we live in these days then it probly wont work for you. But why bash it, it works. Open your eye’s and look at the issues at hand, there is so much evil in this world why do you insist on adding to it.
Jesus came back to this world to save us from ourselves and this is how we repay the Lord for His mercies ? I dont understand why you people continue to bring strife into this great time of need for our country. If you dont agree with the veiws of the Bibles teachings then why do you live in the U.S.A. as far as I can see our country was founded on the Bible !
I pray that the people of this world would open their eye’s, hearts and minds and see that the only way we are to have a good and fulfilling life is throughJesus Christ the Son of the living God ! Maybe you should open a Bible and see for yourselves what MNTC teaches. Start by reading John 3:16,17 Teen Challenge saved my life and is still a huge part of my life and always will be.
Some one sent me a email and ask if I was an employee of TC. The answer is NO I’m not I graduated the 60 day, went into the 12 month program graduated that in Nov.2007 and now I am in the MNTC Ministry School. I am very pleased to see all of the people standing up for MNTC. When people graduate MNTC there is a bond that is formed though Jesus Christ, So when some one comes against MNTC they are coming against every person that ever graduated this program !
So thank you to all my Brother and Sisters that have taken a stand against the ignorant views of this pulication !
GOD BLESS all of you and have a HAPPY NEW YEAR
Comment posted December 31, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
So, MNTC works for “all people groups”…as long as they’re Christian, which means it’s NOT open to all. Again: why should taxpayers fund a religiously discriminatory program? Let the churches fund it themselves.
Comment posted December 31, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
I am a 2006 graduate of Minnesota Teen Challenge. I went on to the minestry school for one year and graduated the school. Teen Challenge then hired me on as a staff in september 2007. I have been working there ever since. I just recently got married to another Teen Challenge graduate. My wife also works at Teen Challenge. We work at one of the best ministries in the world.
The staff there are spirit led, we care about our students. Pastor Rich is a man of integrity. Pastor Rich has stood on the front line for this ministry since day one. If you have any doubts Teen Challenge has nothing to hide. They would even invite you there for a day to see for yourself. We are an open book at Teen Challenge.
Can peoplle not find anything better to complian about? Who ever wrote this obviously needs the Lord. We are praying for you, just so you know.
Comment posted December 31, 2008 @ 8:24 pm
So far I’m hearing that Minnesota Teen Challenge worked well for a lot of heterosexual Christians with addictions, but that’s still $500,000 for a group that excludes non-Christians and denies homosexuals and bisexuals. Not to mention, I can only imagine the trouble of non-Christian children being sent here by their Christian parents. I just don’t think this is an organization that should be funded by taxes – let anti-GLBT Christians donate their own money.
Comment posted January 2, 2009 @ 5:10 pm
I am a 2007 graduate of MNTC and and I have been sober for 3 years. I was hesitant about all the so called “religiousity” that I was seeing, but that was only because that is what I wanted to see. And that is all that the people who are posting negative views about MNTC want to see as well. “Religion” is not what got me through the program, “religion” is not what has kept me sober, “religion” is not what restored my broken family, “religion” is not why I am a healthy member of YOUR community today, “religion” didn’t get me the opportunity to help many many people to overcome their addictions. ONLY a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and “manning” up to my problems and all the wrongdoing I did in the past and using the tools that MNTC provides has brought me to where I am today!
I heard someone call MNTC a brainwashing cult. Well a cult is defined as a group of people devoted to an idea, person, object, movement, or view. And yes MNTC is very devoted to the idea of providing hurting people with the tools and resources needed to overcome addictions, and damaging lifestyles. So all the people who worked for President Elect Barak Obama are a cult, People who’s VIEWS of MNTC are negative are indeed a cult! And as far as brainwashing, that’s probably not a bad thing for most of us who were severely addicted to drugs or alcohol, because to be honest with you my best thinking got me into jail and homeless, so my brain wasn’t doing too good the way it was (it needed washing). I would be willing to go out on a limb to say that atleast 90% of everyone here that is against Teen Challenge would also be against posting the Ten Commandments in the classroom. But tell me what part of Do Not Kill, and Do Not Steal, and Honor Your Parents, is leading our young people in a bad direction? Someone please let me know!
MNTC accepts all people not matter what sexual orientation or “religion”, it doesn’t matter because we know that once the TRUTH of God’s word gets in you, you will be set free!!!!!!!!
I thank Rich Scherber for his integrity and dedication to MNTC, because without it I would either be dead or rotting in a cell. I pray that God will open everyone’s eyes to all the good that comes from MNTC. If anyone can give me verifiable stats that are even close to the of MNTC please please let me know, but I won’t hold my breath. I am forever grateful for MNTC.
Comment posted January 4, 2009 @ 6:13 pm
if i am not mistaken, it cost more to have had me locked up in prison/jail then it was to send me to MNTC and MNTC is a whole heck of a lot harder than jail or prison… I can sleep when I want in jail and in MNTC I have a set schedule… sleep or a schedule… you pick
Comment posted January 5, 2009 @ 2:13 pm
Hi my name is Heather Stasson an I graduater MN Teen Challenge in 2005 and went through the two year ministry school. God used this program to completley change my life! I am afraid to think of where I would be with out MN Teen Challenge, surley I would be in prision or burning in hell. I am so thankful for this program, that will put its self on the line for the truth and the lives of others. This program is a true God send!
It does not supprise me that people would make negitive comments becuase the truth will always ruffel fethers and cause rebelious attitudes to show. I am truely thankful for Teen Challenge and the hard working and loving staff.
Because of what I received at MN Teen Challenge I now live a full life, I have never been so happy and alive. I have never once turned back to my old life before MN Teen Challenge. I am redeemed and restored to life and the world. Now getting out of bed every day is a blessing not a curse, before MN Teen Challenge I just wish I were dead.
I am very thankful for this precious program.
Sincerly
Heather Stasson
Comment posted January 5, 2009 @ 9:16 pm
I was addicted to Meth. I could not stop. I knew that the only answer was to seek help. Because of my fellow addict friends I knew the 12 step, 30 days, 45 days, 60 days, 90 days, half way houses…. did NOT work. For them that was just a little rest and relaxation time to get fed and be safe and get some sleep. Any one can take a break but changing your life forever takes longer than a couple months. I was doing meth, cocaine, X, shrooms, heroine, pills, for years… think for a minute how can 12 steps and a couple days help kick that??? My Mom had heard about MNTC on the radio and encouraged me to go. I knew that if I didnt my parents would have had to bury me at some point in the near future. I was helpless. I knew how powerful God is so I gave it a try. I went in March 13th 2003! In MNTC you learn that you are not a victim but rather you need help seeing the calling God has on your life and the hope he can give. I for one was not brought up in a horrific home like some people were but I still needed to be mended in my own ways. Thru the angels God sends to MNTC (Pastor Rich, Lynette and all the Staff) they helped me find Peace! One thing that really makes TC successful is the fact that thru God working thru the staff there are alot of drug and alcohol addiction generational curses broken!! I know that no band-aid could have helped me but the hard-intense-soul searching-DID help set me free! I graduated MNTC August 4th 2004!!!!! You ask why did it take so long??? Because I am hard headed and stubborn and that is how long it took. THANK YOU JESUS! IT FEELS GOOD TO BE FREE!
Comment posted January 7, 2009 @ 8:39 pm
Our daughter was a student at Minnesota Teen Challenge. The saving grace in her program and recovery was the inclusion of Jesus Christ in her recovery. Whether people want to agree, admit or believe, God is the ultimate power and the one we will all answer to after we die. May He have mercy on people to choose not to believe this and choose a way of life away from Him.
Comment posted January 19, 2009 @ 11:25 am
When George W. Bush made his farwell speech to the nation the other night, he acknowledged “the success of FAITH-BASED programs for addicted people”…….now, I know the he’s not the most popular president we’ve ever had. In fact, I don’t agree with alot of things he did. BUT….if the President of the United States of America makes a statement that acknowedges the significance of something, such as faith-based treatment programs, well……programs such as Teen Challenge must be doing something right. God Bless them for all they have done!
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 12:57 am
I am March 2008 graduate of MNTC it’s been great to see the outpouring by so many people I knew in the program. I was in the program with when the bridge collapsed and can back up the fact that our charge staff Glenn Middendorp did call the bus driver and have him take an alternate route shortly before the collapse. I also had the privilege to volunteer with and later intern for the Know The Truth program. I can assure all you Jesus fearing fanatics that we don’t go and use tax dollars to proselytize, we simply go into public schools and share the consequences of our poor decisions in the hopes that the kids don’t make those same devastating choices. The last thing I want is for anyone else to experience the things I have. After interning briefly with the program I went on to become a soldier in the U.S. Army with the National Guard, I am also a pastoral ministry student at Northwestern College. This is a far cry from the suicidal meth addict who lost his children that I once was, I give all the credit to God, but He used MNTC in a mighty way to help me and many others. As for one persons comments Teen Challenge does help people who are struggling with sexual issues including homosexuality, but no matter what the sexual struggle the focus is on sexual purity and following the Biblical principles of sex and marriage. Oh and by the way God has restored my family made me the man and father I could never have been on my own and I now am planning on getting married to my childrens mother, a relationship I never thought could be restored but I prayed that it would and Miracles do happen. God bless all of you, God brought you into this world for a reason He wanted you to live you were not a coincedence and so I pray that you may come to realize that God has a special plan in your life. Jesus does Save and God Bless!!
Comment posted February 6, 2009 @ 12:06 pm
I graduated the teen boys program in August 1999. I was 15 when i got out. It was an alternative to 18 months in jail…I’m drug & crime free – & also god free.
I wouldn’t say I feel as great about it as the rest of you. Then again…2 people died that didn’t have to while i was there & I was beaten up & received a severe head injury & received NO medical attention. I have an actual dent in my skull as a result.
As for the money end – it’s a scam. Hit up as many churches as you can. Tell everyone about how you do it all for free (even though every teenager cost 800/month back then). I once witnessed Rich tell a congregation complete nonsense about one of our boys…a kid who was in for emotional troubles & Rich is telling them all about his wild “crack addiction”. While maybe he was confused (this man’s attention span is like that of a pothead – nice enough guy – but he’s out there) – there wasn’t a dry eye in the house & more money was made. The other congregations that they brought us to were pretty awful as well. I remember one tupee wearing pastor in a pricey suit telling us we were going to hell if we didn’t make tithes & offerings….enough badmouthing though…i’m not here to sew bitterness but rather to enlighten. think real hard before sending youe teenager here or anywhere that has no medical accreditation. really consider the needs of the situation. i found that many of the younger kids really didn’t need to be there, but that their parents just ran out of ideas (or were themselves incapable).
I’m not gonna say they don’t help…they do. The problem is that they are for the most part unregulated. If they were regulated I’d have a more normal-shaped head, two young men would still be alive, & homeless guys wouldn’t have been breaking into our house & sleeping there & bringing in drugs & whatnot.
& the success rate a) is old information, b) does not consider the dropout rate, c) does not count teenagers. an overwhelming amount of people start & don’t finish…so where is the success?
Comment posted March 30, 2009 @ 11:01 pm
The federal funds pledged to MNTC are specific to the “Know the Truth” program. This program is a prevention program that goes into high schools to try to prevent chemical addictions. Since the program goes into the public schools it is required to be completely secular. The separation between church and state has been maintained with precision to the detriment of the children attending our public schools. It is clear to everyone involved in Teen Challenge that the high school program would be more effective if it could be faith based. But what the heck, what’s the difference, it’s only our children! Why are we more concerned about the separation of church and state?
This country is filled with people who want to take the word “God” out of our country’s Pledge of Allegiance, not even allow it to be said in schools anymore, how do you think MnTC would be allowed in if they were anything but secular in public schools? Your comments make no sense in this society of tolerance that does not tolerate any form of faith in God. Minnesota is trying to teach our youth the dangers of drugs in a way that is working, truth.
MnTC recovery program does not receive any tax dollars. The program is funded by individual contributions, by people who have seen the program’s success. If I could say where my tax dollars are spent I would choose MnTC, but I don’t have a choice, my tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood to kill babies. Life is always the best investment! Great job to MnTC for caring for people who are desperate and hurting. Everyone deserves a second chance at life, a productive life.
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 1:23 am
Dear Ian, Have you made a serious attempt to talk to the state attorney general of Minn. ??You should and you would be safe–ie whistle blower law. Hopefully he would conduct an investigation . Also, you could send your e-mail to the whitehouse web site—addressed to Mr. Holder. We have to do these things to keep life on track–your rep Bachman seems high on something!!
Comment posted April 12, 2009 @ 10:45 pm
I am a recovering alcoholic and addict. I will be sober and clean for 3 years June 22, 2009. I attend regular alcoholics anonymous meetings and also church. But ragardless of where i go it is God that has kept me sober and changed my life. At teen Challenge you have people that are making you work on yourself constantly and that is what you have to do because drug addiction and alcoholism are just symptoms of the real sickness. And it is a spiritual sickness. That is why we need God. At A.A. you have to work the 12 steps. And every step cames from the bible. Yhe get rid of all the anger and fear to make room for God. The change our way of thinking to alighn with Gods will. The people that are saying kit is secular don’t know what they are talking about. They aern’t paying evough attention bacause it is all about God. Just put into everyday words that drug addicts and alcoholics can understand. But i understand that some people can’t do it in A.A. They need the discipline and long term christian counseling to survive. Drug addictions and alcoholism are destroying people left and right. I can’t understand why people are complaining about something that works Do you like haveing drug addicts and alcoholics on the streets? Do you like seeing teens and mothers and fathers die from overdoses, wrecks, suicides, etc. Leave them alone. Donate. Be a part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:02 am
Some of the former students of Teen Challenge have been very critical regarding their experiences in the program. Some may have valid points as in the fact that there are leaders in every organization who are not leading in a true Christian fashion. Everything good in the world will have someone who is a fake or failure. However, there are former students who did not complete the program because of their own inability to deal with submission issues, rebellion, selfishness, and a desire to continue in the destructive lifestyle.
If there are truly Teen Challenge ministries out there who have abused students or been found living a hypocritical lifestyle, those specific centers only should be addressed. The Teen Challenge program as a whole does help people and show students the way to deliverance from addiction problems. Jesus is the only way to find true deliverance.
Comment posted June 2, 2009 @ 9:46 am
Teen challenge is a horrible racist place. My fiance is there and he is white and I am a different race. They have been trying to ruin our relationship to the point of suggesting our child wasn’t his. They have made comments about how he is on the tribal counsel It is not a good place because they only care about money. They capitalize on the fact that we had a child that died, so they can make more money for the program. These guys are being fed out dated food, and teen challenge charges them to play in sports. the deans and directors only care about money they are not interested in the person only hurting them and killing a loving spirit. They are sick and twisted people. Their views are entirely horrible and if thats what being a christian is about i want no part of it
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 1:40 am
i am a graduate of minnesota teen challenge and i must say that it is a wonderful life saving , God fearing program. i also was a participant in the know the truth program where we spoke to children about the dangers of alcohol and drug use. never in the 15+ schools i visited did my christian faith , or anyone else’s come out in our speeches because we are well aware and obedient to the fact that we cannot express our faith in the schools . teen challenge not only blesses the student, but countless others that the student encounters. many others have been inspired by the turn around that happened by me attending teen challenge . most importantly please take time to know the man that some of you are bashing , of course if you are not christian you may not agree with our doctrine but ill assure you that rich sherber is a wonderful man that loves all. ive seen the man and been close to him and he has been nothing but an inspiration to me and others, and he is not deserving of any slanderous talk. may God bless the un informed.
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