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		<title>By: SeanNC</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/23673/mad-props-a-look-back-at-the-bush-years/comment-page-1#comment-24448</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul

While I do think you were simply mistaken, this is not some simple innocent mistake.  But this is a larger pattern by elected Democrats, hyperpartisans at major media outlets who support and vote Democrat and leftwing educators at major universities such as Harvard and Columbia to whip the average voter into a political frenzy.  It worked.

The average voter heard these lies and became so furious and outraged at what they were being told by people they thought were responsible that it motivated them to the polls.  

This was the main goal of this coordinated campaign of &quot;Bush the liar.&quot;  It drove already unstable people to the polls and got Democrats elected.  These tactics caused people to foam at the mouth with rage and hatred.  It didn&#039;t matter if half of this stuff was untrue or outright lies, all that mattered was getting Democrats into power.  By any means necessary.

The average voter was used, lied to, deceived, and whipped into a foaming at the mouth, hatefilled and irrational rage by &quot;fake turkey&quot; stories, by untrue and inaccurate &quot;Katrina stories,&quot; by dishonest &quot;Bush Lied, People Died&quot; stories, by hyperbolic stories of &quot;Bush shredding the constitution,&quot; by stories of &quot;perpetual war,&quot; and by stories of &quot;Dick &#039;Darth Vader&#039; Cheney.&quot;

All that mattered was getting Democrats elected.  Integrity, honesty, reason, principles and the safety of the country was secondary to the one main goal of getting Democrats elected. 

That&#039;s why this fake turkey story is so important.  It represents the power of the media to keep a lie circulating the globe for nearly 6 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul</p>
<p>While I do think you were simply mistaken, this is not some simple innocent mistake.  But this is a larger pattern by elected Democrats, hyperpartisans at major media outlets who support and vote Democrat and leftwing educators at major universities such as Harvard and Columbia to whip the average voter into a political frenzy.  It worked.</p>
<p>The average voter heard these lies and became so furious and outraged at what they were being told by people they thought were responsible that it motivated them to the polls.  </p>
<p>This was the main goal of this coordinated campaign of &#8220;Bush the liar.&#8221;  It drove already unstable people to the polls and got Democrats elected.  These tactics caused people to foam at the mouth with rage and hatred.  It didn&#8217;t matter if half of this stuff was untrue or outright lies, all that mattered was getting Democrats into power.  By any means necessary.</p>
<p>The average voter was used, lied to, deceived, and whipped into a foaming at the mouth, hatefilled and irrational rage by &#8220;fake turkey&#8221; stories, by untrue and inaccurate &#8220;Katrina stories,&#8221; by dishonest &#8220;Bush Lied, People Died&#8221; stories, by hyperbolic stories of &#8220;Bush shredding the constitution,&#8221; by stories of &#8220;perpetual war,&#8221; and by stories of &#8220;Dick &#8216;Darth Vader&#8217; Cheney.&#8221;</p>
<p>All that mattered was getting Democrats elected.  Integrity, honesty, reason, principles and the safety of the country was secondary to the one main goal of getting Democrats elected. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why this fake turkey story is so important.  It represents the power of the media to keep a lie circulating the globe for nearly 6 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schmelzer</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/23673/mad-props-a-look-back-at-the-bush-years/comment-page-1#comment-24447</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schmelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. It was &quot;apparent&quot; to me, but I&#039;m mistaken. Thanks for the correction, leftist haters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. It was &#8220;apparent&#8221; to me, but I&#8217;m mistaken. Thanks for the correction, leftist haters.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/23673/mad-props-a-look-back-at-the-bush-years/comment-page-1#comment-24445</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, you said &quot;apparently fake turkey op&quot;.  So what was &quot;apparently fake&quot;?  It was an actual turkey.  It is a military tradition.  And correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but Bush was actually there - a real live photo op.  What was so &quot;apparently fake&quot;?

&quot;Decorative turkey&quot;.  Yeah, that&#039;s a real head-scratcher...  I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and suggest it&#039;s a turkey done up for decorative purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you said &#8220;apparently fake turkey op&#8221;.  So what was &#8220;apparently fake&#8221;?  It was an actual turkey.  It is a military tradition.  And correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but Bush was actually there &#8211; a real live photo op.  What was so &#8220;apparently fake&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Decorative turkey&#8221;.  Yeah, that&#8217;s a real head-scratcher&#8230;  I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb and suggest it&#8217;s a turkey done up for decorative purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanNC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Schmelzer

Google &quot;New York Times fake turkey.&quot;  

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07E7DE113BF932A25754C0A9629C8B63

Here is what the link says:

&quot;Published: July 11, 2004
An article last Sunday about surprises in politics referred incorrectly to the turkey carried by President Bush during his unannounced visit to American troops in Baghdad over Thanksgiving. It was real, not fake.&quot;

It was a real bird.

This lie has been circulating the globe for years.  Leftists have repeated this lie, like the one about how &quot;Bush Lied, People Died,&quot; until it has become the truth.

Leftists make me sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Schmelzer</p>
<p>Google &#8220;New York Times fake turkey.&#8221;  </p>
<p><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07E7DE113BF932A25754C0A9629C8B63" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07E7DE113BF932A25754C0A9629C8B63</a></p>
<p>Here is what the link says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Published: July 11, 2004<br />
An article last Sunday about surprises in politics referred incorrectly to the turkey carried by President Bush during his unannounced visit to American troops in Baghdad over Thanksgiving. It was real, not fake.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was a real bird.</p>
<p>This lie has been circulating the globe for years.  Leftists have repeated this lie, like the one about how &#8220;Bush Lied, People Died,&#8221; until it has become the truth.</p>
<p>Leftists make me sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schmelzer</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/23673/mad-props-a-look-back-at-the-bush-years/comment-page-1#comment-24435</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schmelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did, Pete. I see the phrase &quot;decorative turkey,&quot; whatever that means. As for you, did you read my piece? Note I said &quot;&lt;em&gt;apparently&lt;/em&gt; fake.&quot; I didn&#039;t say anything about plastic. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did, Pete. I see the phrase &#8220;decorative turkey,&#8221; whatever that means. As for you, did you read my piece? Note I said &#8220;<em>apparently</em> fake.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t say anything about plastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, did you actually read the article you cited?  The turkey was a bird.  An actual turkey.  Nothing &#039;fake&#039; or &#039;plastic&#039; about it.  It&#039;s traditional: &quot;a decorative turkey was [sic] a standard feature of holiday chow lines&quot; according to the military sources quoted in the article you were so eager to bring our attetion to.  I know Democrats don&#039;t like paying taxes, but I thought you were all for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, did you actually read the article you cited?  The turkey was a bird.  An actual turkey.  Nothing &#8216;fake&#8217; or &#8216;plastic&#8217; about it.  It&#8217;s traditional: &#8220;a decorative turkey was [sic] a standard feature of holiday chow lines&#8221; according to the military sources quoted in the article you were so eager to bring our attetion to.  I know Democrats don&#8217;t like paying taxes, but I thought you were all for reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schmelzer</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/23673/mad-props-a-look-back-at-the-bush-years/comment-page-1#comment-24429</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schmelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SeanNC: All the mainstream media accounts I see say it was a prop (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/04/politics/main586761.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s CBS saying the White House confirmed it was a &quot;decoration&quot;&lt;/a&gt;). If you&#039;ve got an actual link, rather than just vitriol, I&#039;d be happy to take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeanNC: All the mainstream media accounts I see say it was a prop (<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/04/politics/main586761.shtml" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s CBS saying the White House confirmed it was a &#8220;decoration&#8221;</a>). If you&#8217;ve got an actual link, rather than just vitriol, I&#8217;d be happy to take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanNC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanNC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how stupid the left is.  The turkey was real.  It was not plastic.  It was not fake.  It was a real bird.

I love how the left just repeats their talking points until they become true.  The failures of Katrina were by the state and local officials.  The Homeland Security Act mandates that, BY LAW, STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS are responsible to act as first responders to disasters until the federal response can be properly coordinated and implemented.

The left just refuses to accept that the state and local officials were responsible since they were all Democrats and Democrats are never responsible for anything.

Leftists make me sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how stupid the left is.  The turkey was real.  It was not plastic.  It was not fake.  It was a real bird.</p>
<p>I love how the left just repeats their talking points until they become true.  The failures of Katrina were by the state and local officials.  The Homeland Security Act mandates that, BY LAW, STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS are responsible to act as first responders to disasters until the federal response can be properly coordinated and implemented.</p>
<p>The left just refuses to accept that the state and local officials were responsible since they were all Democrats and Democrats are never responsible for anything.</p>
<p>Leftists make me sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rendition is now ok with Human Rights Watch since Obama came to town. I guess that&#039;s &quot;change&quot;. At least for Human Rights Watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rendition is now ok with Human Rights Watch since Obama came to town. I guess that&#8217;s &#8220;change&#8221;. At least for Human Rights Watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonnabend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonnabend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a bigger turkey.

You.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a bigger turkey.</p>
<p>You.</p>
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