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	<title>Comments on: Pawlenty’s proposed budget cuts draw angry response</title>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-31068</link>
		<dc:creator>KD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>until somebody &quot;big&quot; walks in the shoes of &quot;the poor man&quot; one will never know what it&#039;s like to 
go to bed worrying about how you will pay for this and how you will pay for that, how you will
continue to put food on the table and provide for your children. how some people can look themselves in the eye or go to sleep at night knowing how something they did effects so many
helpless and unfortunate people is beyond me.People need to take a stand and fight this together. With out that we haven&#039;t got a chance!!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>until somebody &#8220;big&#8221; walks in the shoes of &#8220;the poor man&#8221; one will never know what it&#8217;s like to<br />
go to bed worrying about how you will pay for this and how you will pay for that, how you will<br />
continue to put food on the table and provide for your children. how some people can look themselves in the eye or go to sleep at night knowing how something they did effects so many<br />
helpless and unfortunate people is beyond me.People need to take a stand and fight this together. With out that we haven&#8217;t got a chance!!!.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-24254</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cut, cut and cut some more.  State spending can not increase forever without some pull back.  There needs to across the board cuts to just about every state department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cut, cut and cut some more.  State spending can not increase forever without some pull back.  There needs to across the board cuts to just about every state department.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Westover</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-24174</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Westover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! What&#039;s next? A survey of brain surgeons evaluating the intelligence of rocket scientists?

Did you expect something surprising other than knee-jerk reaction from these sources?

Thoughtful reflection on the Pawlenty budget finds reason for criticism in that it doesn&#039;t aggressively seek fundamental government reforms. Arbitrary spending cuts and arbitrary tax increases -- neither solve the fundamental budget problem: too much government trying to do many things for too many people and doing little of it very well. Accounting shifts don&#039;t get the job done either. 

The opportunity presented by the budget situation, which neither the DFL nor the GOP have the cajones to face, is whether going forward we want to be a state where we sacrifice the dynamics of a market economy and individual decision-making in exchange for free government services where decisions are made for us or becoming a state with limited government intervention in the economy and personal choices while accepting that it is not the responsibility of government to remedy the inevitable inequality of outcomes that necessarily occur in a free society.

There really is no room for balance here. Balance is what we have now, and it necessarily leads to ever-expanding government. If that&#039;s what we want, let&#039;s be honest and say private property no longer has any meaning and government, society, the collective, or whatever language you want to use has exclusive right to every citizen&#039;s labor in whatever quantity the majority, or those who claim to speak for the majority, say it needs (or simply wants). At least that gives productive people the option of taking their brains elsewhere. Or, we could just build a wall ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! What&#8217;s next? A survey of brain surgeons evaluating the intelligence of rocket scientists?</p>
<p>Did you expect something surprising other than knee-jerk reaction from these sources?</p>
<p>Thoughtful reflection on the Pawlenty budget finds reason for criticism in that it doesn&#8217;t aggressively seek fundamental government reforms. Arbitrary spending cuts and arbitrary tax increases &#8212; neither solve the fundamental budget problem: too much government trying to do many things for too many people and doing little of it very well. Accounting shifts don&#8217;t get the job done either. </p>
<p>The opportunity presented by the budget situation, which neither the DFL nor the GOP have the cajones to face, is whether going forward we want to be a state where we sacrifice the dynamics of a market economy and individual decision-making in exchange for free government services where decisions are made for us or becoming a state with limited government intervention in the economy and personal choices while accepting that it is not the responsibility of government to remedy the inevitable inequality of outcomes that necessarily occur in a free society.</p>
<p>There really is no room for balance here. Balance is what we have now, and it necessarily leads to ever-expanding government. If that&#8217;s what we want, let&#8217;s be honest and say private property no longer has any meaning and government, society, the collective, or whatever language you want to use has exclusive right to every citizen&#8217;s labor in whatever quantity the majority, or those who claim to speak for the majority, say it needs (or simply wants). At least that gives productive people the option of taking their brains elsewhere. Or, we could just build a wall &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-24158</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s tiring to even speak of Pawlenty, to even speak his name and conjure thoughts of all the conservative vitriol he lashes upon us. I cannot even feel upset anymore. The voters of Minnesota spoke to vote him into office twice. As such, we deserve our lashes for doing so until the very last day. Whereas we were once a very educated and spirited state who saw through talk, we are now very ignorant and believe in hype more than I have ever recalled. Obviously the average Minnesotan today has no concept of how politics and economy go together.&quot;

- the most intelligent post I have read in years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s tiring to even speak of Pawlenty, to even speak his name and conjure thoughts of all the conservative vitriol he lashes upon us. I cannot even feel upset anymore. The voters of Minnesota spoke to vote him into office twice. As such, we deserve our lashes for doing so until the very last day. Whereas we were once a very educated and spirited state who saw through talk, we are now very ignorant and believe in hype more than I have ever recalled. Obviously the average Minnesotan today has no concept of how politics and economy go together.&#8221;</p>
<p>- the most intelligent post I have read in years.</p>
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		<title>By: ice cycle</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-24091</link>
		<dc:creator>ice cycle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Governor announces the cupboard is empty and the left demands he raid someone elses.

In other breaking news, the Sun rose today above Melbourne, Australia while it was still dark over North America. Observers are quoted as expressing, well, nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Governor announces the cupboard is empty and the left demands he raid someone elses.</p>
<p>In other breaking news, the Sun rose today above Melbourne, Australia while it was still dark over North America. Observers are quoted as expressing, well, nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kari Asbjornsson</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-24087</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari Asbjornsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s tiring to even speak of Pawlenty, to even speak his name and conjure thoughts of all the conservative vitriol he lashes upon us. I cannot even feel upset anymore. The voters of Minnesota spoke to vote him into office twice. As such, we deserve our lashes for doing so until the very last day. Whereas we were once a very educated and spirited state who saw through talk, we are now very ignorant and believe in hype more than I have ever recalled. Obviously the average Minnesotan today has no concept of how politics and economy go together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s tiring to even speak of Pawlenty, to even speak his name and conjure thoughts of all the conservative vitriol he lashes upon us. I cannot even feel upset anymore. The voters of Minnesota spoke to vote him into office twice. As such, we deserve our lashes for doing so until the very last day. Whereas we were once a very educated and spirited state who saw through talk, we are now very ignorant and believe in hype more than I have ever recalled. Obviously the average Minnesotan today has no concept of how politics and economy go together.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Dahl</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-24080</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, Hear!!!!! 

to all the above posts

Pawlenty should be ashamed of himself!!!!!!!!!! but.. he doesn&#039;t have to worry about being able to go to the Dr, or send his kids to college... he will do just fine.. .so why worry about us &#039;little people&#039; or how he&#039;s going to pay his mortgage/rent....or feed his family.... he&#039;s not &#039;one of us&#039;, so why worry?

For shame, Gov. Pawlenty... For shame...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, Hear!!!!! </p>
<p>to all the above posts</p>
<p>Pawlenty should be ashamed of himself!!!!!!!!!! but.. he doesn&#8217;t have to worry about being able to go to the Dr, or send his kids to college&#8230; he will do just fine.. .so why worry about us &#8216;little people&#8217; or how he&#8217;s going to pay his mortgage/rent&#8230;.or feed his family&#8230;. he&#8217;s not &#8216;one of us&#8217;, so why worry?</p>
<p>For shame, Gov. Pawlenty&#8230; For shame&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Master of None</title>
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		<dc:creator>Master of None</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tax cuts that slant to the wealthy. &quot;

Business taxes are regressive.    

From the 2007 Tax Incidence Report

” Although the legal impact of each of these taxes (business taxes) falls on the business entity, each is partially shifted to consumers (in higher prices) or in some cases to labor (in lower wages). Only a portion of business taxes are borne by capital owners as a lower rate of return on their investment.”

and

“Overall, the burden of Minnesota business taxes on Minnestoa households was regressive”

This is the report that is frequently referenced by groups like Growth and Justice and MN2020 because it shows that Minnesota’s tax burden is slightly regressive. This regression is only due to our excessive corporate tax rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tax cuts that slant to the wealthy. &#8221;</p>
<p>Business taxes are regressive.    </p>
<p>From the 2007 Tax Incidence Report</p>
<p>” Although the legal impact of each of these taxes (business taxes) falls on the business entity, each is partially shifted to consumers (in higher prices) or in some cases to labor (in lower wages). Only a portion of business taxes are borne by capital owners as a lower rate of return on their investment.”</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>“Overall, the burden of Minnesota business taxes on Minnestoa households was regressive”</p>
<p>This is the report that is frequently referenced by groups like Growth and Justice and MN2020 because it shows that Minnesota’s tax burden is slightly regressive. This regression is only due to our excessive corporate tax rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans have one answer to every problem.  The answer is always tax cuts that slant to the wealthy.

They are like old time doctors who thought every problem could be solved by bleeding the patient.  Now matter how sick the patient bacame, more blood was drained.  Inevitable result is that the patients dies, which only proves how sick he was.  The bloodletting came too late and was not done vigorously enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans have one answer to every problem.  The answer is always tax cuts that slant to the wealthy.</p>
<p>They are like old time doctors who thought every problem could be solved by bleeding the patient.  Now matter how sick the patient bacame, more blood was drained.  Inevitable result is that the patients dies, which only proves how sick he was.  The bloodletting came too late and was not done vigorously enough.</p>
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		<title>By: crohn's patient</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/24682/pawlentys-proposed-budget-cuts-draw-angry-response/comment-page-1#comment-24059</link>
		<dc:creator>crohn's patient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawlenty&#039;s &quot;plan&quot; is a self-serving furthering of his national political aspirations. His proposals for lowering corporate taxes are long-term solutions for a &quot;right now&quot; problem. It&#039;s also incredibly convenient that we need this tax reform all of a sudden. These problems have been festering for years, and the old notion of GOP &quot;fiscal responsibility&quot; and &quot;limited government&quot; are nowhere to be found under Pawlenty&#039;s time in office. Another pro-bailout, pro-corporation Republican with his own agenda coming first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawlenty&#8217;s &#8220;plan&#8221; is a self-serving furthering of his national political aspirations. His proposals for lowering corporate taxes are long-term solutions for a &#8220;right now&#8221; problem. It&#8217;s also incredibly convenient that we need this tax reform all of a sudden. These problems have been festering for years, and the old notion of GOP &#8220;fiscal responsibility&#8221; and &#8220;limited government&#8221; are nowhere to be found under Pawlenty&#8217;s time in office. Another pro-bailout, pro-corporation Republican with his own agenda coming first.</p>
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