The Al Franken-Norm Coleman U.S. Senate contest will end in the Minnesota Supreme Court. That’s the most likely resolution scenario for the nearly four-month struggle to determine the state’s next senator, according to election law experts Guy Charles and Edward Foley.
But other factors could change that picture, they say. The contest’s outcome could be decided in the St. Paul courtroom where it’s now being heard, or within faraway walls designed by a man from St. Paul: Cass Gilbert’s U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C.
“The most obvious, clean resolution is resolution by the [current] three-judge court, with no appeal,” says Charles, a University of Minnesota Law School professor who is teaching at Duke University Law School this year. The next, least-complicated scenario: A decision from the current court is appealed to the state Supreme Court, but with no further appeal or recourse to any other venue.
“I don’t think those two are likely,” Charles says. He sees the losing side pressing its case to the U.S. Supreme Court. But it may not get there. “I would be surprised if the court accepted the petition,” he says.
That would leave the state high court’s decision standing. “I think the decision of the Minnesota Supreme Court will be the final decision,” Charles says.
That still might not mean the losing side hangs up its swords and shields, he adds. “If I were in their shoes, I would instead file a federal lawsuit,” Charles says — one built on the kind of equal protection claims Coleman has already been making, and perhaps a due process argument as well.
Both camps have already “flirted with” issues that could be raised in federal district court, Charles says. “Each has pulled out big legal guns, constitutional guns.”
The legal theories that either side might bring, if it lost, are similar, but each has its own set of facts. Appeals arising from such a suit could also bring the case before the U.S. Supreme Court justices.
Neither Charles nor Foley, a professor at Ohio State University’s Moritz College of Law, puts much stock in the idea that the U.S. Senate might aggressively push to fill Minnesota’s seat before the court action is completed to allow a certificate of election.
Foley says the focus should be on the unanimity — or lack thereof — of the three-judge panel presiding over the current election contest. If the unanimous orders it has issued on motions so far presage a unanimous decision at trial’s end, Foley says, the state’s high court would likely be loath to reverse them on appeal. If however, the panel splits 2-1, the losing side will have more of an opening with the high court.
As for the U.S. Supreme Court, Foley is dubious about the eagerness of justices there to take the case; Charles is emphatic in his belief that they would not. One reason Foley gives: Minnesota’s Senate seat simply isn’t the national emergency the high court considered Bush v. Gore to be in 2000.
Foley — whose historical research into how America has settled close elections leads him to exalt Minnesota’s recount of the 1962 governor’s race to the highest – says the best scenario is one in which the loser goes home satisfied he lost fair and square. He thinks there’s still hope for that to happen with this election as well, wherever it’s finally resolved.
“The sad truth is, most [close elections] have been handled without that sense of desirable closure,” Foley says.
“But at least once in history, both sides agreed it was done properly. I’m still hopeful Minnesotans will come to feel that way about this election.”













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Comment posted February 26, 2009 @ 4:08 pm
Maybe Franken should send a few bucks to Rod Blagojevich. Hey, didn’t hurt Roland Burris none.
Comment posted February 26, 2009 @ 6:10 pm
How much is it going to cost the Minnesota tax payers to do what these people are saying to do? How many state jobs could be saved if there were no more trials?
This entire case is about ego and not about the people.
Comment posted February 26, 2009 @ 7:59 pm
The Equal Protection Clause doesn’t stand up in my view. Coleman’s team argues that some counties were stricter in adhering to the absentee ballot procedures while other counties were lax. That may be true, but the rules were consistently followed in each county … potentially both candidates gained or lost the same as both Coleman and Franken votes faced the same degree of legal threshold. This means the sum of all counties will produce a vote breakdown influenced by one chief factor, the actual proportion of voters in those counties supporting one candidate or another. Their focus is on one county where potentially up to 83 ballots were rejected due to witness problems. [It should be noted that although these ballots were rejected, it is unknown if the voter didn't correct the problem and subsequentially did vote ... that has already been proven in other examples.] The problem is that even if all 83 votes had gone for Coleman, he still does not reach the threshold required to surpass Franken.
What Coleman wants is an activist court that writes it’s one rules …not follow the existing laws and past court rulings.
Coleman’s team is arguing for the media headlines and for continued donations … which recently included a $250,000 payment from the RNC. What we have here is a sore loser who has brought in a gaggle of lawyers to game the counting methods in order to produce a favorable result. As long as he keeps getting donations, Coleman will continue to proceed. And compound that with Obama’a agenda on health care and tax increases for the wealthy, Coleman will be sufficient donations to push this to the US Supreme Court.
BTW : Professor Foley has written extensively on his blog about the Minnesota case. http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 1:12 am
Franken knows he’s riding an artificially thin margin. He’s brought in a team of lawyers to try to come up with every defense as to why his disproportionate gain in votes has some honest basis. The truth is that it wasn’t an honest basis, and if different counties have different standards (taking the election day total in one precinct, while taking new augmented totals in others) it is a clear violation of the 14th ammendment.
The problem with the Franken people is that they really don’t care about the rights of Minnesota voters. All they care about is having a fake lead in the votes counted in error, so he can go into the senate and push his job-killing agenda to strengthen union bosses and have the corrupt federal government take control of health-care. Franken keeps getting donations from overseas as well as a recent payment of $630,000 from the DNC.
What’s amazing to me is that Coleman is even still alive with the DNC/Fanken/ACORN juggernaut doing everything possible to put him down. Regardless of whatever party you belong too, you have to give Coleman props for haning in there when you have all this inside power trying to shut him down!
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 8:08 am
It sounds like Coleman learned his lesson well from Al Gore -
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 8:09 am
It’s sort of ironic that Coleman is fighting to retain a seat just to be indicted.
It’s quite likely that the issue of the $75,000 from Kazmeni might go away if he is no longer the Senator. It can’t go away if he gets the seat.
So even if Coleman gets seated he will be tied up otherwise in court for some time.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 8:19 am
RE: Kazmeni issue. And this would make this different than Burris, and Blago, and multiple Obama cabinet members, and Barney Frank in what way?
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 8:30 am
If as Norm Coleman insists that voters were not given Equal Protection during this election and thus the election should be “nullified” or that it is so tainted that it is not valid… what does that mean for every other race on the ticket? If Norm Coleman “wins” this argument couldn’t every down ticket or the Presidential for that matter be called into question. I have a feeling that there are quite a few people that would be willing to bring this up since the recount examined only the Senatorial race but the court case by Coleman is speaking about the whole election. Why have Bachmann, Paulson or Kline been seated if the election was not run legally? Or is it a Coleman contention that only voters in the Senate election need Equal Protection?
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 10:12 am
If the decision of Minn. Supreme Court violates the Equal Protection Clause, as applied in Gore v. Bush, i.e., allows different precincts to count the votes in different ways, then the U.S. S.Ct. can grant cert. (take the case) without an action being filed in federal district court. What’s important is the Consitution, not the magnitude of the election.
As for other races, if there’s no challenge, there’s no issue. The challenge is based on the recount, not the original tally. I’m not aware of any other recounts, let along recounts conducted with different counting standards from precinct to precinct.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 11:54 am
Bottom line: once the Minnesota Supreme Court rules in Franken’s favor (2-3 weeks from now), an election certificate will issue, and Al Franken will be seated as the Junior Senator from Minnesota. All federal legal challenges and entanglements are moot under Minnesota State law (which has very specific standards and procedures) and under the rules of the Senate.
Former Senator Coleman is free to play as long as he likes in the Federal Courts and burn through even more GOP cash, but the relief he would request is something no Federal Court will grant: a declaration that Minnesota’s elections lack uniform standards, thereby nullifying the entire 2008 election in Minnesota.
I say spend all that ill-gotten GOP Bootie. It won’t change the FACT that Al Franken was fairly elected no matter how many Republican heads explode over this.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 12:23 pm
The issue with citing Bush V. Gore, is that the U.S. S. Ct. covered itself by stating in the majority opinion that the decision applies “to the present circumstances only.” The precedent set by that case only applied once, then never again. There’s no way to use that case as justification for actions taken. The SCOTUS has to grant cert, hear the case and rule again before any ruling can be made as to whether Equal Protection was violated.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 12:34 pm
I suggest duelling pistols.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 1:27 pm
This is a dead horse (sorry PITA people), Coleman lost the recount. If he gained all the possible votes he is requesting, he still loses. There is no real secret that he will continue to lose if they count more absentee ballots (which is why he fought to have them not counted in the first place). He floated the idea about a run-off revote. With Obama winning MN by 11% and proobably more popular now, Since election day Coleman has become as popular as recalled Peanut products, he would be destroyed in a new vote.
The only two options that remain for “Team Coleman” 1. Hope that a friendly court reaches some unexpected decision that wrongdoing took place. But remember, he does have the burden of proof and he has yet to produce any evidence, (not conspircy theories but actual evidence) that any wrongdoing took place. 2. He can deny Franken and the Deomcrats the seat as long as possible.
To date Minnesotans have been patient and believed that Franken deserved a recount, they believe Coleman deserves his day in court. Once the current court rules Minnesotans expect that winner will be seated. Since it is unlikey to be Coleman Governor Pawlenty faces a tough decision whether to hold his signature on the election certiicate. Pawlenty is obvisouly positioning himself for the Republican persidential bid in 2012; but patience is growing short with the republican party within the state and Pawlenty faces his own reelection bid as a republican in a increasingly blue state.
To date Minnesotan’s have been patient primarily because there has been a belief that it has not become politcized. There was no support for Ried when he suggested seating Franken prior to the court ruling. If the court rules that. Tim Pawlenty is very aware that Coleman will not win the recount and that the remaining ballots to count will favor Franken and he has not stated he will validate the courts decision. Yet if Coleman were for some reason win the tally, is there any doubt it would be signed immediately and hand delivered to the Minnesota Secretary of State?
If Franken is determined by this court to have won the election and the Governor refuses to sign the certificate the constituents of Minnesota will quickly lose patience and the backlash will likely take down a governor as well.
Tom Daniel
A Minnesota voter
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 2:37 pm
My understanding is that part of Coleman’s challenge is that the recount was conducted by different standards in different counties. That is exactly what happened in FLA in Gore v. Bush, and the court ruled 7-2 that the recount was unconstitutional. Five of the 7 said it’s too late to do it again – which is why the actual decision applied “only” to that case. The constitutional principle of equal protection through standard recounting methods still applies to every election and recount.
There’s no challenge to Minnesota’s voting system. No other Minnesota results are in question. It’s not the original voting system being challenged, only the ad hoc – and varying – recounts in this particular recount – such as counting an X as a vote in Franken-tending districts and as a cancel in Coleman-tending districts. The Supreme Court can easily take the case and apply the Equal Protection rule from Gore v. Bush and it will still say the result applies to this particular case only and not to any other Minnesota election result.
I don’t know the particular numbers, so maybe there aren’t enough Coleman votes to matter. If not, the case will go no further. But when you have more votes than registered voters in several counties that Franken won, something sure looks fishy.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 3:15 pm
The difference, LDAV45, is that Coleman is MN’s “own”. Whereas, those other guys you mention, are not.
We need a Senator now to represent Minnesota. Any further delay denies us that.
It, as we so often heard in the last decade, is time to move on.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 4:33 pm
The last time the U S Supreme Court had a say in an election, Jim Baker was around to put the fix in; so the question is Where is Jim Baker on this one? Don’t believe me? See if anyone can check the phone records between Baker and Scalia and their mutual friends. Can’t check phone records for domestic phone calls? Ha….. Ha ha ha.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 4:47 pm
It would be better to only have one senator representing Minnesota than to have two where one of them is Al Franken.
As with my statement above, the Judicial panel has overwhelmingly been willing to haphazardly admit Franken’s arguments and votes (even when the ballots couldn’t even be found for the recount), and quickly dismiss Coleman’s claims. In that case, I certainly believe an unbiased external venue like the US supreme court ought to be justified.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 6:17 pm
For the love of God, will Norm Coleman please concede this damn election….What a sore loser & classless pig Coleman has become….I thought he was better than that…I don’t think any political from either party has ever carried on like Coleman is….Coleman’s antics are a complete disgrace to the state of Minnesota & to the senate as well…
Concede Coleman, if you had any shred of integrity & class left!….
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 7:28 pm
Norm Coleman won the election fair and square in November. He was ahead by over 700 votes, and only creative ballot reading and corrupt and partisan election officials in Democratic strongholds. “found” ballots, etc. have given Franken a small edge. Not to mention that Franken’s losing count probably already had thousands of illegal Acorn obtained votes, illegal immigrant votes, out of state votes, etc. Coleman has been ripped off, everyone knows that in Minnesota, except Franken supporters won’t admit it. So what we are doing here is playing a game with a marked deck of cards, and the legal system would have to take politics out of the issue in order to award the election to the legitimate winner. It’s a travesty and very unfortunate
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 7:31 pm
Much like the 2000 election in Florida, the Minnesota election is a statistical tie. There is no way to determine who the people voted for most when we use ballot systems with up to a 2% margin of error and our margin of difference is <300 votes. The candidates continue with the game to see who’s vote count comes out on top. Call it an unofficial tie breaker if you will, but until, we the people, decide we want lower error margins and more precise vote counts, this is the best we have. Until a winner is declared, Coleman and Franken should push forward to get the best position to be declared a winner.
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 7:38 pm
“My understanding is that part of Coleman’s challenge is that the recount was conducted by different standards in different counties. That is exactly what happened in FLA in Gore v. Bush, and the court ruled 7-2 that the recount was unconstitutional.”
That is wrong, there is no comparison between Bush and Gore and Coleman and Franken. What Gore wanted was to RECOUNT THE VOTES ONLY IN COUNTIES WHERE HE WAS STRONGEST. He wanted a selective recount. In any event Gore would not have won EVEN IF THE STATEWIDE RECOUNT that was mandated by the Florida Supreme Court had proceeded. A review of that recount shows the following;
Review of limited sets of ballots (initiated but not completed)
• Gore request for recounts of all ballots in Broward, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia counties Bush by 225
• Florida Supreme Court of all undervotes statewide Bush by 430
• Florida Supreme Court as being implemented by the counties, some of whom refused and some counted overvotes as well as undervotes Bush by 493
Unofficial recount totals
• Incomplete result when the Supreme Court stayed the recount (December 9, 2000) Bush by 154
Certified Result (official final count)
• Recounts included from Volusia and Broward only Bush by 537
Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 8:43 pm
Franken won! Coleman lost! That’s the main point here. The Canvassing Board allowed all the illegally disqualified absentee ballots counted. It is impossible for Coleman to prove that some ballots were counted twice, and it’s highly doubtful they were therefore. Thus far, the trial has succeeded in netting Franken 27 more votes. Coleman’s legal team have been all over the map disagreeing with themselves. It’s tough to lose an election this close, but lose it they did, and they should do the fair and patriotic thing and concede. Coleman even promised to do so if he lost the recount. Honesty? No? I guess not. The Republicans are just hanging around a party they’ve already been asked to leave. Where’s the bouncer? I think they are hurting their future electoral chances, especially in Minnesota (which is without a Senator thanks to Coleman’s actions), but nationally as well. The more they struggle to thwart the will of the public, the more they will harden that will. Less would probably be more, but the very greedy often do things that seem illogical. Unless the constitution is amended, not even the Minnesota Supreme Court or the U.S. Supreme Court can force the Senate to seat an illegitimate candidate. The Senate knows that Franken won and Coleman lost and will never seat Coleman. This hard, nonsensical move will backfire on the neocons.
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Comment posted February 27, 2009 @ 11:08 pm
Why have the good folks of Minnesota gotten themselves into this predicament in the first place? What in the world would you be doing by voting for Al Franken. Luckily the folks of Illinois have helped take the attention away from Minnesota on the national news. Otherwise you would be the laughingstock of America. If Franken wins, the laughing will not be because he is a comedian, but because the real comedians are the voters!
Comment posted February 28, 2009 @ 12:55 am
This election will be decided in Minnesota by Minnesotans. All reasonable efforts will be made to determine the will of the voters and a winner will be declared. The governer will sign off on it if he doesn’t want to end his political career, which is hanging by a thread anyway. If either Coleman or Franken takes it beyond Minnesota, they lose. It started here and it will end here. You can take that to the bank. Not Citibank though.
Comment posted February 28, 2009 @ 1:56 am
Acorn was a voter registration program that gathers Voter registration. By LAW they are required to turn over every single voter registration they receive. Even if the name says Micky Voterfraud.
NATIONAL law requires they turn over all voter registrations they receive. Republicans love to bring up ACORN. Because it encourages minorities and the lower-class to vote. People who tend to vote democrat.
Why is it when ever a democrat wins its fraud? If a county supposedly has more votes then registered voters. Just because Franken won doesn’t mean there was any fraud on his part. Couldn’t someone have seen Franken was winning and tried to pad Colemans votes hoping to tip the balance but failed anyway. As there is no proof of either its rather moot. Minnasota is about as democrat as a state can get. Considering the states history, isn’t it more probable that a republican underdog would engage in voter fraud.
Considering Coleman was such good friends and supporter of former president Bush in all things, I find the idea my fellow Minnesotans voted for him ridiculus.
In the two months of trial the only change in the voting count is 60 more for Franken. For Coleman everything is on the line, his future political career. Not to mention if he loses he’s obligated to pay Frankens legal fees.
Comment posted February 28, 2009 @ 9:34 am
I stand by my statement on Bush v. Gore. Gore lost the case when his counsel, David Boies, was asked (by either Rehnquist or Scalia) if the counting standards varied from county to county. Boies responded, yes, in fact, they vary from table to table in a single county. The Court’s opinion said you can’t have different recount standards from county to county, or table to table, and comply with the Equal Protection clause.
Sure, the MN recount is statewide and the FLA wasn’t. But that’s why there were two opinions in Gore v. Bush. Seven justices agreed that recounting by varying standards is unconstitutional. Five said it’s too late to do a statewide under proper standards. Two said it wasn’t too late to recount by proper standards.
The rule that under the Equal Protection Clause recounts must be conducted by uniform standards applies to this case. That FLA was partial, and MN is statewide is a distinction without a different when it comes to applying that rule.
Comment posted February 28, 2009 @ 10:59 am
The problem is not Franken or Coleman. The problem is MN election law. It should be changed to seat the winner of any recount provisionally, while court battles, if any, proceed.
How its written right now, is just stupid.
Comment posted March 2, 2009 @ 1:18 pm
First Jesse “The Body” Ventura and now Al “SNL” Franken. Minnesota idiots are getting everything they deserves.
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Comment posted March 2, 2009 @ 4:42 pm
The Republicans are winning this game… the longer they can delay a final decision, the longer the Democrats have to find a Republican to replace that needed vote in reaching 60.
Comment posted March 4, 2009 @ 12:07 am
Franken is stealing the election. He has ZERO credentials to be a US Senator, except for having a big ego. The audacity of thinking that a has-been, moderately successful comedy writer is entitled to being Senator! I used to think that Minnesota was a great state, with wholesome, heartland values. Boy, was I wrong!
Comment posted March 5, 2009 @ 5:48 pm
For all of this legal effort, nobody is going to be satisfied. They should just hold a run off between these two. It could be settled in 30 days.
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 10:09 pm
Hey up there in iceland… Um, is it true, some of what I have heard: that there are counties in minnesota that had more ballots cast than registered voters?? REALLY? I would say- toss ou that entire county’s votes before counting the valid counties…. Um, did you hear about the harp seals and some other brand of seal showing up in north carolina? Must be the arcti is getting so hot, the seals had to come to subtropical cool places… we have had snow four times this cold season… as opposed to you know- once every thirty years… that global warming snow of the carolinas… and global warming seal migrations… and- oh no! Not an ugly frog faced senator to compete with that fugly pig waxman int he senate?!?!?! ALIEN INVASION!!!
Comment posted March 24, 2009 @ 11:19 pm
I would not be surprised to have the Judges deciding the Minnesota Election Contest to render a Ruling which brings the curtain down on the Contest; naming Franken the victor and dismissing the Case for Coleman with Prejudice and Appropriate Sanctions Attached.
The Coleman Team could not gather sufficient evidence to prove their case. They imported witnesses who came to Court and said what the Coleman Team suggested they say to help Norm win. They were caught in their lies and exposed for the inconsequential effect they’d have on the decision. Another woman who Coleman relied upon for the basis of his argument was proved she was in collusion by several incriminating emails she submitted after she exposed herself as a Coleman operative.
That the trio of Judges were upset with Team Colman for pulling these stunts was obvious in the way they admonished the witnesses for their behavior.
All through the seven week process the Coleman Team did one thing after another to make the Judges want to slap their faces for the bullshit they tried to pull-off in their Court.
Pissed them off good; they did. Regularly!
But, nothing like actually filing a Motion which would have required The Court to REVERSE a recent decision and Rule against themselves. NOTHING could be more ridiculous and offensive to the trio of Judges hearing the Contest.
Throwing more insult upon serious injury done to themselves by asking for a Reversal from this Court upon one of their Rulings; the Coleman Team politely asked The Court NOT to use The Law determining the case but to attach their good will and just use Common Sense.
Just use Common Sense … huh, boys?
If The Court had been allowed to use Common Sense to decide this faked, Bad-Faith, suit from Norm Coleman; they’d have stood-up and told you how they really felt about having to listen to you making-it-up every day for seven weeks and just screamed at Norm and all of his lawyers and the Coleman bit-players to get your phony, lying-asses out of their Court and don’t come back.
Comment posted March 27, 2009 @ 12:47 pm
it’s bad enough coleman is taking up minesota’s time and resoures right now, but if they take rep. mitch mcconnel’s advice and waste nat’l resoures and time, i hope many nat’l taxpayers call and email their nat’l lawmakers and demand an immediate investigation into wheather or not if a certain someone or someones in the republican party are giving him money to drag this out long enough so al franken can’t be seated in time to vote on things republicans want to block as long as possible. besides, it is well known that norm needs to pay for his house renovations, he holds at least two morgages on his house, and he may need help paying his kid’s college tuiton. all under the table of course.
Comment posted April 4, 2009 @ 11:00 pm
Frankin is a Harvard graduate with a good mind and will be a great senator. Give him a chance. Norm Coleman was a puppet for Bush and never thought for himself. It is time this is over and Minnesota gets its second senator, Frankin. The stalling is not good for Minnesota and not good for the country. Norm will never get elected to anything from Minnesota ever again and, if our governor does not seat him soon, he will never get elected again.
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