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		<title>By: Erich</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/27612/minnesota-health-plan-tabled-in-the-house/comment-page-1#comment-26138</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“We are still where Canada was in 1867.” - That sounds about right. The Bad Guys, the insurance corporations who buy and sell our politicians, are quite happy with this arrangement.

And we will remain in 1867 until we finally gain some militancy around health care reform. 

Bottom-up change requires the cajones to take on the Bad Guys, and it always begins in the streets. Where are the boycotts, sit-down strikes, and demonstrations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We are still where Canada was in 1867.” &#8211; That sounds about right. The Bad Guys, the insurance corporations who buy and sell our politicians, are quite happy with this arrangement.</p>
<p>And we will remain in 1867 until we finally gain some militancy around health care reform. </p>
<p>Bottom-up change requires the cajones to take on the Bad Guys, and it always begins in the streets. Where are the boycotts, sit-down strikes, and demonstrations?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Clark</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/27612/minnesota-health-plan-tabled-in-the-house/comment-page-1#comment-26052</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When someone cannot get pain medication for a serious wound because he did not have the money for the co-pay, when a person who has a broken leg cannot get into the emergency room without paying $50.00 immediately and the automobile manufacturing companies have millions of dollars of their members health care premiums or a contractual obligation to provide for health insurance for their retirees but now beg for more money from the government, who will ask the question:  &quot;What happens to the auto industry employees when the money runs out?&quot; or &quot;Who has money in their pocket for the co-pay?&quot; and is able to pay it right now?

To answer many of our questions I recommend that we get in contact with the leadership of OWL-The voice of Midlife and Older Women: www.owl-national.org/Welcome.html.  Also consider inviting Merton C. Bernstein, Coles Professor of Law Emeritus at Washington University in Saint Louis, a founding board member of the National Academy of Social Insurance and was the principal consultant to the National Commission of Social Security Reform.  This organization has been working since 1980 and has accumulated lots of information and statistics and data and articles which, taken together, show how single payer is the only way to go.

So instead of re-inventing the proverbial wheel, let&#039;s join together with similar groups and finally get something done.  My respect for Senator Teddy Kennedy just went down when it was reported that he held closed door meeting with health insurance executives, some physicians and some citizens.  I thought that he would not be on the health insurance payrolls.  If he is not then he should distance himself from these organizations that will do about anything to keep the money flowing into their coffers. And that&#039;s the truth! (Lilly Tomlin the telephone operator and other characters from the old Saturday Night Live.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone cannot get pain medication for a serious wound because he did not have the money for the co-pay, when a person who has a broken leg cannot get into the emergency room without paying $50.00 immediately and the automobile manufacturing companies have millions of dollars of their members health care premiums or a contractual obligation to provide for health insurance for their retirees but now beg for more money from the government, who will ask the question:  &#8220;What happens to the auto industry employees when the money runs out?&#8221; or &#8220;Who has money in their pocket for the co-pay?&#8221; and is able to pay it right now?</p>
<p>To answer many of our questions I recommend that we get in contact with the leadership of OWL-The voice of Midlife and Older Women: <a href="http://www.owl-national.org/Welcome.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.owl-national.org/Welcome.html</a>.  Also consider inviting Merton C. Bernstein, Coles Professor of Law Emeritus at Washington University in Saint Louis, a founding board member of the National Academy of Social Insurance and was the principal consultant to the National Commission of Social Security Reform.  This organization has been working since 1980 and has accumulated lots of information and statistics and data and articles which, taken together, show how single payer is the only way to go.</p>
<p>So instead of re-inventing the proverbial wheel, let&#8217;s join together with similar groups and finally get something done.  My respect for Senator Teddy Kennedy just went down when it was reported that he held closed door meeting with health insurance executives, some physicians and some citizens.  I thought that he would not be on the health insurance payrolls.  If he is not then he should distance himself from these organizations that will do about anything to keep the money flowing into their coffers. And that&#8217;s the truth! (Lilly Tomlin the telephone operator and other characters from the old Saturday Night Live.)</p>
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		<title>By: John T (Jack) Garland, MD</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/27612/minnesota-health-plan-tabled-in-the-house/comment-page-1#comment-26047</link>
		<dc:creator>John T (Jack) Garland, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comments by Ron Thiessen (above).  Agree that one of the biggest obstacles to a comprehensive public debate on the full range of options (where single payer national health insurance should be the overwhelming choice) is that those who fear such a debate have been able to keep single payer on the sidelines.  Much of this is because of fear-mongering by stating (falsely) that the government would take over all aspects of health care.  [Even if that were so, it would be better than the current non-system where choices are made for most people, behind the closed doors of the insurance carriers.]

It is definitely time to keep pushing for a thorough debate that includes single payer national health insurance (statewide in meanwhile) as the fiscally responsible way to return medical decision making to individuals and their choice of providers.

John T Garland, MD
retired endocrinologist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comments by Ron Thiessen (above).  Agree that one of the biggest obstacles to a comprehensive public debate on the full range of options (where single payer national health insurance should be the overwhelming choice) is that those who fear such a debate have been able to keep single payer on the sidelines.  Much of this is because of fear-mongering by stating (falsely) that the government would take over all aspects of health care.  [Even if that were so, it would be better than the current non-system where choices are made for most people, behind the closed doors of the insurance carriers.]</p>
<p>It is definitely time to keep pushing for a thorough debate that includes single payer national health insurance (statewide in meanwhile) as the fiscally responsible way to return medical decision making to individuals and their choice of providers.</p>
<p>John T Garland, MD<br />
retired endocrinologist</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Thiessen</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/27612/minnesota-health-plan-tabled-in-the-house/comment-page-1#comment-25914</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Thiessen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is not a single comment in the article questioning the quality of the health care we receive.  Every criticism relates to our system of reimbursement.  Until we separate these things in our own minds, the insurance companies will be able to conflate the two ideas and continue to associate their names and their images with health care.

Insurance companies do not deliver health care.  I have been a nurse for 35 years and have had healthcare coverage with every nursing job I have ever had.  Not once in 35 years can I point to a single instance where an insurance company has had any impact whatsoever on the quality of the care I have received.  The only interaction I have ever had with an insurance company was to either pay a premium or argue over a bill.

The insurance companies are huge money storage and distribution centers.  They have a big loading dock in the back where money is hauled in, and a single window up front where a long line of hopeful health care providers waits while a receptionist with no medical knowledge decides whether or not to pay them for their services.  There is also a helipad up on the roof where money goes out to lobbyists to make sure that there is never more than one teller window out front. Insurance company executives also use the helipad at times to remove some of the money to their own private off site storage facilities. 

We don&#039;t need health care reform, we need health care reimbursement reform.  Of course the insurance companies will oppose this. Change sometimes hurts for a while.  The arguments in favor of reform are so overwhelmingly in the public interest however, that it cannot ultimately be stopped.  This is of immediate importance because, unlike Representative Gottwalt, many of his constituents don&#039;t have a government job with tax supported health insurance and that number is growing rapidly by the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not a single comment in the article questioning the quality of the health care we receive.  Every criticism relates to our system of reimbursement.  Until we separate these things in our own minds, the insurance companies will be able to conflate the two ideas and continue to associate their names and their images with health care.</p>
<p>Insurance companies do not deliver health care.  I have been a nurse for 35 years and have had healthcare coverage with every nursing job I have ever had.  Not once in 35 years can I point to a single instance where an insurance company has had any impact whatsoever on the quality of the care I have received.  The only interaction I have ever had with an insurance company was to either pay a premium or argue over a bill.</p>
<p>The insurance companies are huge money storage and distribution centers.  They have a big loading dock in the back where money is hauled in, and a single window up front where a long line of hopeful health care providers waits while a receptionist with no medical knowledge decides whether or not to pay them for their services.  There is also a helipad up on the roof where money goes out to lobbyists to make sure that there is never more than one teller window out front. Insurance company executives also use the helipad at times to remove some of the money to their own private off site storage facilities. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need health care reform, we need health care reimbursement reform.  Of course the insurance companies will oppose this. Change sometimes hurts for a while.  The arguments in favor of reform are so overwhelmingly in the public interest however, that it cannot ultimately be stopped.  This is of immediate importance because, unlike Representative Gottwalt, many of his constituents don&#8217;t have a government job with tax supported health insurance and that number is growing rapidly by the day.</p>
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		<title>By: darkmark</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is no way to get the twisted warped hearts of  republican party members to allow a community to care for itself.  i&#039;ve got mine, i&#039;m ok, so who cares about you? if that&#039;s the way you feel then you&#039;re a republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no way to get the twisted warped hearts of  republican party members to allow a community to care for itself.  i&#8217;ve got mine, i&#8217;m ok, so who cares about you? if that&#8217;s the way you feel then you&#8217;re a republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley Madore</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/27612/minnesota-health-plan-tabled-in-the-house/comment-page-1#comment-25905</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley Madore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How very sad that as a state we have the opportunity to finally lead the country in shaping the future of health care reform and we blow it.  As the only industrialized nation in the world that does not provide this basic service to its citizens, it is a disgrace.  Health care reform is the only sure fire way to solve our economic crisis and by fixing this mess, we provide for the first time the right of every citizen to have lifetime care that is affordable, accessible, price competitive and relieves businesses - both large and small - from this benefit burden.

Leadership is needed to fix our problems, not pandering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How very sad that as a state we have the opportunity to finally lead the country in shaping the future of health care reform and we blow it.  As the only industrialized nation in the world that does not provide this basic service to its citizens, it is a disgrace.  Health care reform is the only sure fire way to solve our economic crisis and by fixing this mess, we provide for the first time the right of every citizen to have lifetime care that is affordable, accessible, price competitive and relieves businesses &#8211; both large and small &#8211; from this benefit burden.</p>
<p>Leadership is needed to fix our problems, not pandering.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Clemmer</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/27612/minnesota-health-plan-tabled-in-the-house/comment-page-1#comment-25899</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Clemmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I’m part of a system, and I have been taken care of very well.” 

Well, there it is. The un- and under-insured, who are suffering even as the rest of us think we are covered (possibly an illusion) are invisible. 

The bill, the Minnesota Health Plan, was authored by Senator John Marty and carried in the House by Rep. David Bly. They deserve our thanks for being willing to recognize those among us who do not have the advantages some of the rest of us temporarily enjoy. I say temporarily because the system in which Rep. Gottwalt has such faith is crumbling under his feet. He just can&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’m part of a system, and I have been taken care of very well.” </p>
<p>Well, there it is. The un- and under-insured, who are suffering even as the rest of us think we are covered (possibly an illusion) are invisible. </p>
<p>The bill, the Minnesota Health Plan, was authored by Senator John Marty and carried in the House by Rep. David Bly. They deserve our thanks for being willing to recognize those among us who do not have the advantages some of the rest of us temporarily enjoy. I say temporarily because the system in which Rep. Gottwalt has such faith is crumbling under his feet. He just can&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Kuckler</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/27612/minnesota-health-plan-tabled-in-the-house/comment-page-1#comment-25842</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Kuckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to have heard the names of the DFL members who were against this.  It is time for Minnesota to lead the nation, as we have in the past. It is really important for the media to inform us of who stands in the way of progress on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to have heard the names of the DFL members who were against this.  It is time for Minnesota to lead the nation, as we have in the past. It is really important for the media to inform us of who stands in the way of progress on this issue.</p>
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