Ellison questions Capitol screening of anti-Islamic film

The United states capital is entirely appropriate a venue to show how radical Islam is a religion of hate. Films like this should be shown in every school in America. I applaud Jon kyl.

Hey Jan, have you ever heard of the separation of church and state? Naw, I didn’t think so. Go applaud the moron hateful Jon Kyl and have a good islam-free life.

The same argument can (and should) be made about christianity. The bible is a book about rape, incest, murder, genocide. Revenge, adultery, usury, and betrayal. Why would Americans want their children reading that garage?

Throughout history, people and governments have done horrific things in the name of their religion. Religion is simply an excuse for a group of people to hate whomever their religious leaders don’t like.

Why does there have to be someone to hate? Because if we had global peace, there would be no tithes to pay for the pope’s pretty red Prada loafers.

Jan

“The United states capital is entirely appropriate a venue to show how radical Islam is a religion of hate.”

If a film were made about all the things that have been done in the name of Christianity that sows hatred, it would take ten years to view it.

The capitol is not a place to promote or attack religions, particularly not religions with over a billion followers.

Jan: You’re an idiot. Get right in the head.

Jan you are a bigot.

This is not about “radical islam” its about Islam, and muslims in general.

Any religion, taken out of context is hateful,for example: Psalm 137:7 “happy is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rock”.

If I was to show a movie highlighting this and other egregious examples of the Bible’s call for infanticide, slavery (Ephesians 6:5 “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.”) and genocide, there would be a huge protest.

Did you read about the catholic church sending all their pedophiles to Alaska to prey on the natives? Is that radical catholicism or just evil?

Hitler grew up Catholic.

Well, Kyl should offer a film series showing how extremism in any religion can lead to bad outcomes. German was a Christian nation during WWII (Hitler was raised Catholic), Mormons have an incredible history, Jews killing folks in Gaza, Hindus killing Muslims in India. We should show movies of the effect of all kinds of religious extremism, including Christian extremism, in schools.

Jan,
Thanks for showing everyone why we are know as ignorant Americans. Just because it is easier to condemn a religion rather than educate yourself about it teachings you further prove why we have become the laughing stock of the world. Rep. Ellison is exactly right that Senator Kyl has every right to show that film to whomever he chooses just not at the US Capitol. Our forefathers would be more than rolling in their graves at the notion of religious persecution on what is their holy grounds. The very idea of either promoting or persecuting a religion at the US Senate is an abomination to the Constitution. “No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” If this is still too hard for you to understand, please do your self a favor and google separation of church and state. You just might learn some of the real reasons our that make our country great. FYI it’s not slandering those in the minority.

Sure, and while we’re at it why not use the Capitol to show the cute German films about the inferiority of the Jewish “race,” or those ones showing the high Christians leaders burning heretics at the stake. Perhaps these are pictures school children should see these as well.

Kieth Ellison is right. A sense of propriety is something that one would expect a Senator to have firmly in hand…particularly a Republican Senator.

No more moonshine for Jan.

The United States Capitol is an entirely appropriate venue to show how radical Christianity is a religion of hate. Films like this should be shown in every school in America.

I think that Mr. Wilders’ is a bit extreme, for instance he wants to ban the Koran. We can’t ban the religious book of any religion, even though it does incite hatred and violence. I do stand with him, though, to protect our freedoms. If politicians want to view Fitna in the Capital to discuss the issue of freedom of speech and it’s possible demise due to offending Muslims, that’s fine.

And, yes, feckless, this IS about radical Islam, that’s what it is all about. Mr Wilders’ has been quoted saying that he realizes that not all Muslims are hateful and violent. But what we need to remember is that all Muslims have been taught Jihad. For instance, the New York Muslim who opened up a Muslim TV station to show that not all Muslims are violent. Last week, after finding out that his wife was divorcing him due to his physical abuse, he decapitated her.

I agree with Mr Wilders that radical Islam and a Democratic society will never mesh. I think that when Muslims try to immigrate to this country that they should be taught about our freedoms, in no uncertain terms. If they are unable to grasp our freedom of religion, and freedom of speech, if they cannot comprehend it, then they should be denied entrance. Period.

I’m a Conservative Christian who is fed up with anti-Islam booga-booga.

Look at Iran, for example. How would WE like having a dictatorship imposed upon us? How would we like being sold out on the treaties we signed and adhered to in good faith? How would we like being treated as little more than closeted terrorists, with no proof at all to back up the claim?

Frankly, and this will shock some people here.. but if you bother to research it, you will find that I am correct. Islam and Christianity have MORE IN COMMON, allot more, that Judaism and Christianity.

Examples – Fast Facts: Jesus is sacred to Muslims and they have even rioted when he was defamed. He is not considered the messiah, but he is defined as a “man of God” by their prophet himself. Muslims believe in his divine birth, because their prophet endorses it!

Muslims are by no means the natural enemies of Christians. Anyone who claims that this is the case is in need of further study, as it’s little more than a very popular lie.

If it were me, I’d screen ‘Religilous’ and invite Bill Maher because most of the religions of this world have been more trouble than they are worth. They are political tools in the hands of tyrants both great and petty. A pox on all of them. People should seek their own meanings and not rely on glorified snake oil salesmen. But of course, that is asking too much.

Christianity is an excise for violence, whereas Islam is the reason for violence. Islam is a violent, dangerous totalitarian ideological system. If the Nazis and Soviets had been smart, they would have cloaked themselves under the guise of being a religion. That way, all you hand-wringing pc types would have defended them until they came to cut your throats.

Educate ourselves? I have read the Quran through and through; there is very little that is salutary about this bloody religion. Since its inception, over a quarter billion people have been slaughtered in the name of Islam, a religion that demand that unbelievers convert, submit, or die. There can never be peace with Islam.

And how do the criminal excesses of performed in the name of Christianity mitigate or excuse the violent nature of Islam? Apologists always use such arguments to distract, to deceive, and to excuse. It is the apologists for this totalitarian “religion” who will help destroy the West, and they’ll be the first to cry when they’re being slaughtered.

The Capitol building shouldn’t be used as a venue to air ANY opinion, fact, documentation or discussion of religion. That might be a bitter pill for the believers to swallow but the fact is that anything that is done under the auspices of the Capitol gains the patina of legitimacy in the eyes of the public. It is inappropriate.
Oh yeah and Jan? Please crawl back under your rock and leave the 21st century to the adults, okay?

The problem being is that most Americans know very little about their own religion, let alone about Islam, which is an all inclusive, religion of tolerance. Jews have suffered terrible persecution in ALL European countries. By contrast they were not persecuted in Islamic countries. In fact if muslims did not save Jews of Spain from torture and execution in the 15th century, there would have been very few Jews left in the world.

Muslims did not set out to kill adherents of any religion, while US has already killed at least 1.2 million Iraqis, mostly muslims, and unknown number of Afghanis and Pakistanis.

No matter what they do, Islam is growing, and many Christians and Jews are converting by the thousand to Islam all the time. Allahu Akbar!

I feel that Keith Ellison and those like him have been unjustly targeted by super racists.

Zionism is a complete abomination to mankind and the original Talmudic Jews crucified Jesus, yet that never gets taught in schools.

Christain imperialists with the aid of men like Stalin burnt at the stake millions of indiginous indians, yet that gets left out of school!

Islam is a more peaceful religion then others would give credit. For instance in ancient times Islam protected the holy city of Jerusalem.

I am starting to be of mind that imperialist Zionists and their poodles in government are far more of a threat and a danger to us all then is a group of Islamic radicals.

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Please keep church and state separate. Thank you, that is all.

Given Sen. Kyl’s heavy-handed attempt at immigration reform, I shouldn’t be surprised he’d sponsor such an incredibly inappropriate film. And in the Capitol Building no less. Way to strike a blow for Freedom, Senator!

Geert Wilders is neither a journalist nor a film maker. “Fitna” doesn’t just lack any sort of objectivity whatsoever. This “film” is a platform for a repulsive brand of bigoted, racist & xenophobic radicalism all his own. He who says we shouldn’t “tolerate the intolerant” fails to see irony or hypocrisy in his stance.

There is a huge difference between “Radical Islam” and the rest of the much greater “non-Radical” Muslim population. To Wilders they’re all the same.

-AF

Christians have no enemies, except for Satan. Real Christians don’t hate people, they hate evil. Radical Islamic violence is evil. Honor killings are evil. Wanting to gas Jews is evil, and yes, Muslims rioting in Europe, chant for the gassing of Jews even in this day! Wanting to kill anyone who is not of the Islamic faith is evil. Jihad is evil.

The way the world is going, I am becoming convinced that the Battle of Armaggedon will be Islam against the Jews and Christians. Jews and Christians both have and believe in the Old Testament, both worship a God of Love, not hate. A God of Life, not death.

“A God of Life, not death.”

Tell that to the million slaves Abraham Lincoln liquidated or the race of Native Americans, celts and pilgrims of old Europe who got crucified and destroyed under the Judeo-Christain army.

Tell that to the people of Rwanda and South America slain in the millions. That’s a joke and a half!

Wilders simply applies hate speech laws to the Qur’an. Wilders doesn’t say Islam mandates violence against non-Muslims, he shows Muslim clerics saying it to their devoted followers.

If he is guilty of ‘hate speech’ for insisting Muslims make an effort to adapt to Western Civilization when living in the West, then the Qur’an is guilty of hate speech for saying Jews are “Apes and Pigs”, women should be beaten, and gays should be thrown from tall buildings.

The three “religions” derived from Abraham are the most violent , virulent and murderous teachings and the world will be better off without all of them

Bad taste only, but the First Amendment protects that very thing. If you think this is bad, read some of the other tripe in the Congressional Register!

Burlak

I would love to see all of these peaceniks attacking Jan live in a Muslim country Lord forgive me for the murderous wish I just spewed because believe you me that wish is definitely an invitation to the bowels of Hell for them. Read somewhere that any God sacrificed Himself for those who don’t deserve His love. One day these people will beg to have one single Christian speak in their behalf and all they will have is Shari’a Law. They will have to drink from their own cup. The fact that all faiths can live in America without persecution is a marvel of the Judeo-Christian tradition and has nothing remotely similar in any Muslim country. These Leftist numbskulls speak only about things they have no knowledge of! But intense persecution mankind has never known is on the way The Anti-Christ is soon to be manifest!!!

Here is a video that should be shown far and wide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o&feature=PlayList&p=8EF1CADD4756AAEB&index=0&playnext=1

Sen. Kyl is one of Israel’s most prized puppets in “our” do anything for Israel Congress. This film serves his own selfish ignorance of an extraordinary faith showing his Christian belief of “love they enemy; turn the other cheek” etc, as well as serve Israel’s/AIPAC’s campaign to constantly portray all of Islam as America’s enemy thereby allowing it to continue to steal our treasury, military, and moral values and creidibility to further its racist kllling machine. It’s very first prime minister David Ben Gurion said: “Islam is our enemy” decades ago given that it’s the only obstacle to Israel’s ethnic cleansing and continued genocides of Palestinians and Arabs.

Perhaps Sen. Kyl would show the film “Occupation 101″ which traces the history of Israel’s ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Christians and Muslims out of the Holy Land. Sadly, he’s too much of a coward to do so. We Americans will continue to pay and die for Israel which takes advantage of our apathy on foreign affairs.

“These Leftist numbskulls speak only about things they have no knowledge of!” GKB

Okay, look. I think it is pretty clear there are a lot of people with deeply formulated opinions about this subject, and obviously the broader discussion of the role of organized religion in the modern world. I advise everyone to read at least parts of all the holy books, because they are human history, whether you like it or not, and from them the morality of the majority of human beings is established. Radicalism is a double-edged sword, and yet most deeply religious people will find much philosophical kinship against what is really the greater insult here:

The minority party thinks now is an excellent time to huddle together with fellow racists and fascists to discuss how not just religion, but a specific religion – the ‘enemy religion’ – damages and destroys our precious democratic republican ideals. That they have the gall, after destroying this country by distracting us from what is really in our best interests – at a time of worldwide crisis they singlehandedly set in motion – to spoonfeed themselves this nonsense.

GKB…your callous bougie insults to the working class at a time of global economic depression not only distract the people from fighting for what is really important (while we waste time discussing this garbage, billions of OUR dollars are being siphoned to foreign wars, foreign banks and foreign countries, while WE are being expected to take a pink slip, yank up the ol’ boot straps and keep fighting for the American dream! Boot these bougies out, don’t give them the time it takes to respond to their baloney, because there are more important things to be worrying about! What will it take to give an final answer to these fascists who just won’t give up? What will it take to show BETTER movies in the halls of congress???

It is perfectly appropriate to view the film at the Capitol. Many of the congressmen and the senators have no clue as to how violent Islam is regarding human rights and other issues. If you get offended, you have a right not to watch it. No body is forcing anyone to sit through the film. By the way, it is a well done movie. Obviously truth hurts.

Troy K, thank you!
And Rhonda, you get the Michelle Bachmann Great Minds Think Alike award for saying Muslims should be barred from the US if they don’t understand freedom of religion.

wow

He was showing the film because Islamic fundamentalism represents a security threat to the founding principals of the United States. I used to be PC about Islam, but you have to be realistic when there’s 1 billion of these followers in the world.

Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch parliament, is not well respected in the Netherlands. He has taken an extreme position and enjoys the attention that he gets. His film presents a very limited and disparaging view of Islam. It would be just as easy to put together a short film on the negative aspects of Christianity. That Senate Minority Whip Kyl would invite Wilders to show his film in the Capitol is an indication of the mentality of some of the Republican leaders.

Please, all moderate and docile Muslims wake up! You should sort out yourself and the religion you are following, before it is too late.

This might not be as you experience Islam on a daily basis, but Islam as envisioned by the leading Imams and Muftis is not a religion, it’s a totalitarian doctrine disguised as a religion. Their Islam could be compared to a cult, where all followers have to “surrender” their own will to those in power. Right now you might be living in a country with a Muslim minority, enjoying freedom of expression but tell me, are you able to criticize any of your leaders or any of the content or teachings of your Muslim “religion”, or is it beyond debate because it is perfect? How many democratic Islamic countries do you know? Are you looking forward to sharia law? Would you take part in the stoning of fellow Muslims?
How have moderate Muslims voiced their concerns about what their extreme counterparts are urging and doing in the name of their “religion”.

Who’s “religion” is it?

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