Faith leaders: Ban gay marriage in Minnesota or the world could end

Ha ha ha ha ha Thanks, MN Indy ha ha ha ha ha ah

God doesn’t care about all the lying in business, the greed, the punitive attitude of conservatives who think people should be thrown into the street as punishment for being defrauded by mortgage lenders. No, God doesn’t care about the outcast, the marginalized, the homeless. Nope. All God cares about is if two people of the same sex have physical contact with each other. That is all that God cares about. You can fuck over as many people as you want and God won’t do anything, but if you fuck just one person of the same sex, why then God will destroy the world!!!!!!

I was unaware that legalizing gay marriage would turn everyone gay. I guess the Imam isn’t really all that straight if providing rights to a certain group will change her sexual orientation.

The only satisfaction I get from this story is knowing that I give these people ulcers just by my very existence.

Funny how Canada made it legal, and nothing happened. And the Netherlands made it legal before that, and nothing happened.

Don’t like gay marriage? Don’ t have one!

All of these religious leaders are very misguided. I agree with Andre Dukes that this is an issue of life, but on different grounds: what right to religious or political leaders have to decide who should and should not receive recognition for their love? That is about life, and these individuals are making the active choice to destroy the lives, hopes and dreams of thousands of Minnesota couples in happy, long-term and stable relationships. Give them the same benefits as opposite-sex couples.

I wish this article included more comments from the GLBT community about what a tragedy it is that these minority, hate-filled ideologies still exist.

These are truly hateful people. I wish they spent half this much time feeding the poor, housing the destitute, and comforting the wounded. Especially in these economic times.

But those things don’t get the money flowing and fundamentalist veins pumping. Being christ-like is just too boring and you have to be around poor people all the time. What a drag!

Instead, go where the cash is at. $75M was spent in Calfornia on the Proposition 8 fight. You couldn’t raise that kind of money talking about the poor and destitute. But bring up the homos and the money comes flying in the door.

Shame on “Christian” and “Muslim” fundamentalists. By your fruits we really DO know you…

With comments like these from religious leaders, the fault of declining membership in communities of faith all across the country lies directly at their feet. Nevertheless, they’ll blame the “deviants” for that too.

I would take issue with your title. These are not “faith leaders” – they are from the fringe. Did the Catholic Bishop speak?

In 1978, 918 people died in Jonestown Guyana at the hands of a Religious fanatic who had perverted religion, sex and politics into a cult of death. Many of those involved in that cult were otherwise normal appearing heterosexual family people who willingly gave their loved ones to be the sex objects of a messianic drug addled freak. There seems to be at least some risk associated with religion and heterosexuality.

Most of the worst mass killings throughout history have been either directly or indirectly perpetrated in the name of religious fanaticism.
I am not actually aware of any mass killings or other threats to the preservation of the species that have any relationship whatsoever to same sex marriage.

I have 5 children and 5 grandchildren. All of my children have known gay people and it seems to have had no affect at all on their desire to procreate.

What is this threat anyway? Is it presumed that sanctioning Gay Marriage would piss off God and he would then punish us for that and ignore all of the types of offenses that Tim mentioned earlier?

Perhaps the greatest offense in any religion is to presume to speak for its God. That is what these people are doing.

Having been raised a Catholic, I have no recollection at all of Jesus addressing the issue of same sex unions; but I do know that he spoke a lot about not judging others. He rebuked hypocrites all the time but had little to say about gays. He sent his only Son down here to instruct us in how to be decent and also, ostensibly, to save our souls. If sanctioning gay marriage is an issue that would cause God to damn our souls and put an end to the world as we know it, you would think he would have asked Jesus to address that in some greater detail while he was here. Wouldn’t You?

Why on earth are we allowing religious doctrine to shape our secular laws to begin with? The USA is not a theocracy, and therefore our laws should not reflect any type of religious doctrine. It is time that people stand up and take a stand against this meddling of religious bodies in things that don’t concern them. Of, if they continue doing so, then they need to have their non-profit status removed.

Government elected officials and church leaders will shout and tell you that America is a “Christian” nation founded on a “Christian” foundation. But if you take the simple steps to read and study for yourself the words of our forefathers concerning God or Christianity … you will come away with an entirely different conclusion. Otherwise read no further and ignore the facts and close your hearts to the truth …

“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone upon man.” – Thomas Jefferson

“My earlier views on the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation have become clearer and stronger with advancing years.” – Abraham Lincoln

“Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.” – James Madison (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822)

“God is an essence we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of there will never be any liberal science in the world.” – John Adams

“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” – John Adams (Treaty of Tripoli, article 11)

I hold that in this country there must be complete severance of Church and State; that public moneys shall not be used for the purpose of advancing any particular creed; and therefore that the public schools shall be nonsectarian and no public moneys appropriated for sectarian schools.” – Theodore Roosevelt (Carnegie Hall address, 12 October 1915)

“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” – Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia)

There are thousands of quotes and letters written on this subject by our forefathers … but at this point you are either shocked or elated. Do as I have and research it for yourself … you will be surprised. (Ignorance is bliss.)

BTW don’t you find it interesting that the Constitution of United States never mentions “God” at any time … and yet that sacred piece of parchment is the very cornerstone upon which this great nation is founded upon.

Why does anyone listen to these loonies who think that their imaginary friend in the sky runs the world and if you don’t do what they want they can punish you for their beliefs?

My family believes the Minnesota “Family” Council is nothing more than a bunch of ignorant bigots who were looking for a photo opportunity yesterday.

If Christians could get along with ANYBODY there would only be one denomination.

[...] religious leaders in Minnesota are pushing for a constitutional amendment to ensure that marriage can only be between a man and a [...]

They are all ridiculous but Ikram ul-Huq is the biggest idiot for his comment. If gay marriage is implemented will he suddenly turn gay? And how would the world end in 10 years? I’ve been gay for 48 years so far- I didn’t know there was an expiration date

And even if that were the case- gay people can still make children. I always love these idiots who talk about marriage being between one man and one woman and how “it’s for the children.” I have lots of gay friends who didn’t stop having children because some religious bigots didn’t like it.

And I love when Christians and Muslims stand together on hate. We can go back to wanting to kill each other as soon as we solved that gay problem.

The state shouldn’t be in the “marriage” business. Leave that to faith communities. The state should be in the civil union business, of which “traditional marriage” is one legal form.

It’s sad to read about sincerely religious people who are so wacked out they really believe that same-sex couples are a threat to anybody in any form. Live and let live. Judge not, lest you be judged. Eh?

Maybe they should read this….

More Babies Born in 2007 Than Any Other Year in U.S. History
Wednesday, March 18, 2009

More babies were born in the United States in 2007 than any year in the nation’s history, topping the peak during the baby boom 50 years earlier, federal researchers reported Wednesday.

There is both good and bad news from the more than 4.3 million births:

—The U.S. population is more than replacing itself, a healthy trend.

[...] multifaith Minnesota Family Council is planning to introduce an amendment banning same-sex marriage, civil unions and domestic [...]

[...] conference to explain what would happen if Minnesota doesn’t pass a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships: “If everyone is a gay, this world will cease to exist in 10 years,” said Ikram ul-Huq, [...]

that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. It isn’t a requirement that EVERYONE be gay if this law is passed. Utter stupidity.

Are these religious leaders for real? Man-made (not God-made) ideas for old, fearful men. They are so clueless. God is within everyone and homosexuality is not going to end the world–get real people!! It’s a case in point where religious ideals and intolerance supercede love and compassion! Holding onto fear and the intolerance, injustice, bigotry and violence it creates (on the part of those in fear) is what could just end the world, not homosexuality. We all just want the freedom to love whomever we want. Love is a bad thing? Come on, wake up!

Wow, I feel gayer just reading about this legislation…they better ban it or I might start infecting everyone with my homosexuality! It’s contagious you know. :P

[...] reasonably sane person would hear them and think, “These people are fucking lunatics.” Like this: The Minnesota Family Council says it will introduce an amendment banning same-sex marriage, civil [...]

Concerning Imam Ikram ul-Huq’s insanely funny comment,“If everyone is a gay, this world will cease to exist in 10 years,” does this boob even realize that lesbians “breed”? Has anyone told Imam dude that motherhood is as basic as being gay? Thanks anyway for sharing ul-Huggie – best laugh I’ve had all week!

Government needs to heed the separation of church and State… these sideshow freaks called ‘religious leaders’ are hateful bigots with blind prejudice leading their actions. We need to block any and all arm twisting by these ignorant hatemongers. Stop the flow of government money to their coffers… stop their tax exempt status. If they want to politicize, they need to suffer the financial consequences.

[...] to push for legislation that would ban same-sex marriage, civil unions, and domestic partnerships. According to Imam Ikram ul-Huq, who signed the statement, “If everyone is a gay, this world will cease to exist in 10 years.” Yes, something [...]

“A gentle answer turns away wrath.” (Proverbs 15:1)

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.” (Galatians 5:22-23)

I recently watched a film that gave me some additional insight on this issue. I thought the presentation was powerful and could be a helpful teaching tool for our children. Education is the only way to help people overcome their fears and move forward. We all need to put this kind of thinking in our past and evolve.

“Not many of us fully practice what we preach. We are all “in recovery” regarding our own prejudices and we are all also in need of transformation and empowerment as advocates for LGBT rights.

Few of us can say we have done enough, said enough, written enough,
demonstrated enough and resisted enough “the powers that be” as long as religious and civil institutions and authorities continue to exclude, attack, and deny basic equality to the LGBT
community.”

Mahatma Gandhi “Be the change you seek.”

“Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. declared of the Civil Rights Movement that those who are not part of the solution are part of the problem, and that we will remember the silence of our friends longer than the arguments of our opponents.”

Retrieved 3-20-09 http://www.forthebibletellsmeso.org

Strange isn’t it that government does not control church baptisms, church confirmations or church Sunday school – so why is it “marriage” is government controlled?

I think perhaps “marriage” should be taken from the clutches of “government” and left to be administered by the “church”.

Make sense? I sure think so.

Love is never wrong, and this rhetoric is sickening!

States should legalize gay marriage. Homosexuals are not monsters; they are human beings. They deserve respect, first of all. They are not criminals. They have bodies, a heart, a brain, hands, nose, feet, and hair. They have feelings. Homosexuals pay taxes, they live in communities, they have jobs, and they go to school.

Ah, you sinners, you scoff at these Chomskys of faith, these Einsteins of morality and holiness! I’m afraid they’re onto you. They’ve uncovered the “Gay Agenda”(TM)! They dare not release its inflammatory contents for fear of causing public panic. But I have no such fear. For the first time in the media, I hereby release this long-hidden document for all to see:

1. When gays and lesbians get married, we must then force the straights to have a gay or lesbian marriage by order of law. They will be required to marry an uncle or aunt, brother, sister, or same sex neighbor, or member of another race [this last clause deleted in 1994]. UN troops from Angola will enforce this.

2. Teaching tolerance in the schools toward GLBT students is our tool to “recruit” members to our ungodly tribe. As we all know, merely hearing the word “homosexual”–a supernaturally powerful word–is sufficient to undo genetic predispositions and the raging hormones of adolescent heterosexuals. Within 10 YEARS of teaching tolerance we anticipate that, outside of Christian home schoolers, we will have ‘turned’ all straight students into perverts like us.

3. We will ban the Bible by 2012. Our agents in the New World Order offices inform us that they will have placed enough communists in office to make this possible. At last!

4. The last protocol of the Gay Agenda is: Don’t Talk About the Gay Agenda; Deny Any Agenda Exists.

I guess Tom Pritchard’s income from donations is down over at the MN Family Council. That means it’s time for him to stir up the hatred again. He is a leech on civil society. I say it’s time to investigate his organization and see about all those back taxes he probably owes.

[...] for a proposed state amendment to ban gay marriage, one shrewd religous leader reminded us of what is at stake… “If everyone is a gay, this world will cease to exist in 10 years,” said Ikram ul-Huq, [...]

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all year.

“The world will end!” Well, the world as we knew it has ended before and we all felt fine. And wouldn’t “God” make the world end long before it came to homosexuality, considering the number of rapers, thieves, bombers, arsonists, embezzlers, corrupt politicians, and every other goddamn criminal activities?

Christianity. I respect their beliefs, but it is a problem WHEN THEIR BELIEFS START OPRESSING OTHER PEOPLES’ BELIEFS. Didn’t a man from a church come to our door three years ago trying to get us to convert to christianity to save us and let us repent for our sins? =O

Will having a man and a man who both love each other and want to make a lifelong commitment to eachother end the world? I don’t think so. If that were true, the world would have ended when Hitler decided to ‘cleanse’ us of Jews, Gypsies, and people with the ‘wrong’ views on art.
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“States should legalize gay marriage. Homosexuals are not monsters; they are human beings. They deserve respect, first of all. They are not criminals. They have bodies, a heart, a brain, hands, nose, feet, and hair. They have feelings. Homosexuals pay taxes, they live in communities, they have jobs, and they go to school.”
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EXACTLY.

They pay taxes, have jobs, go to school, and live a normal life.

NORMAL life.

Heterosexuality should not be considered the ‘moral’ or ‘normal’ way to live. Homosexuality should be included.

Who is to say what is right and wrong?

“Joanna
Comment posted March 17, 2009 @ 6:25 pm
The only satisfaction I get from this story is knowing that I give these people ulcers just by my very existence.”
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Joanna-

that made me laugh. XD it’s a nice comeback.

Does this crap ever end? God honestly doesn’t care who rubs uglies with who, or if they get married and rub uglies. I’m straight, but the more I hear about this anti-gay nonsense, the more it makes me want to find a lonely gay guy and blow him just out of principle.

[...] God, homosexuality, islam, judaism, marriage, minnesota, politics, religion by Polycarp The Minnesota Family Council says it will introduce an amendment banning same-sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships [...]

“If everyone is a gay, this world will cease to exist in 10 years,” said Ikram ul-Huq, the imam and religious director of the Muslim Community Center of Bloomington.

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so, in essence, this person is stating that if gays have the right to marry… everyone will “become” gay? huh? so marriage is the only thing stopping this person from being gey eh? sounds like they’ve got issues of their own that have NOTHING to do with the LGBT community.

seriously, even if you believed gay people aren’t born gay (which I personally know I was)… if you think of it along the lines of religion, which IS a choice, why are there more religions than one? seriously, if its a choice (their belief, not mine)… why do they think everyone would choose to be gay?

funny, to believe that God (whichever religion you choose to believe in) created us ALL in his image (gays and straight alike), in their perspective would assume God to be flawed… which would mean their judging God. Who are they to judge God’s plan? isn’t that the height of egotism?… and a sin?

Eric
Comment posted March 19, 2009 @ 10:46 am

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Eric, you forgot one…

5. the entire Bible belt will be forced to endure reruns of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy until their fashion sense and hygeine improves enough to be deemed ‘acceptable’ by the American Gay Council For Fabulousness.

Bruce G
Comment posted March 19, 2009 @ 10:06 am
Strange isn’t it that government does not control church baptisms, church confirmations or church Sunday school – so why is it “marriage” is government controlled?

I think perhaps “marriage” should be taken from the clutches of “government” and left to be administered by the “church”.

Make sense? I sure think so.

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Bruce, agreed… what you’re talking about are Civil Unions.

however, when they’re created (with marriage left as a church ceremony)… the religious right screams “its still marriage! they’re just calling it something different!”

even if it were two separate things entirely with the same rights, they’d scream we were undermining marriage.

what it comes down to is that the ‘ick factor’ seems to be a good enough reason to deny a certain part of the population the same rights that everyone else has… it isn’t about marriage at all.

“We see this as a pivotal issue to life, not just for our nation but the life we have known for 3,000 years,” said Tom Parrish, administrative pastor of Hope Lutheran Church. Parrish represents Hope Lutheran Church, whose senior pastor, Tom Brock, raised some eyebrows in 2003 when he insisted the 9/11 attacks were God’s wake-up call.

“That’s a lifestyle that God says is sinful,” Brock said of homosexuality in 2003.
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one more comment… interesting that he (and NO other religious leader) didn’t notice the absence of the intervention of God with the Catholic church’s decades of sexual abuse… but 9/11 was an indicator that God thinks homosexuality is sinful?

I guess God was okay with the pedophiles in the church huh? I mean, no planes flew into buildings or anything… so it must’ve been okay.

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage. Christian marriage has long been held as the glue which holds family and communities together. Children need to be raised in a family with a mother and a father of good Christian values. Thus, I believe, that there should be a constitutional amendment that states, “Marriage is defined as the union of one white Christian man to one white Christian woman”. Further, since the other threats to marriage are divorce and death, both should also be outlawed. We need to put the “lock” in wedlock. You married each other and that is forever. Next, since children need both a mother and father, all children born outside of wedlock or those who have just one parent (for whatever reason) should be taken from their single parent and given to a good Christian family. I am sure, as a Christian, that this is covered in the Bible somewhere. Probably next to the quote about killing a son who disobeys their father…..

Old bible-god must be the craziest deity ever. He’s insecure, jealous, has extreme anger issues, tries to coerce everyone with threats of eternal torture into loving him, and is obsessed with gays and foreskins.

That was very ignorant to say the 9/11 incident happened because God wanted to send us a “message”. A country fighting for there country sending a plane into the towers of there antagonist home has nothing to do with God wills but more with fighting for hatred. Do not blame the Gay for our actions and others.

[...] multifaith Minnesota Family Council is planning to introduce an amendment banning same-sex marriage, civil unions and domestic [...]

[...] multifaith Minnesota Family Council is planning to introduce an amendment banning same-sex marriage, civil unions and domestic [...]