“We will never know who won,” Norm Coleman said Wednesday. That’s after seven Minnesota judges — three on Monday and four in January — concluded that Al Franken won Minnesota’s 2008 election for U.S. Senate. His was a “close victory,” the Democrat conceded on Monday. But Coleman — now down by 312 votes — isn’t buying it. “Our system isn’t geared for this kind of closeness.”
Still, some precision is possible in politics, as Gawker.com suggested Wednesday with its two-word description of Gov. Tim Pawlenty: “Amiable prick.”
The first word describes Pawlenty’s friendly demeanor — as displayed, for example, during his appearances on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show,” where he unveiled his controversial intention to mull over a future state Supreme Court ruling on Coleman’s lawsuit before he signs an election certificate.
The second captures the other side of T-Paw’s essence, on exhibit most recently during his appearance Monday on Minnesota Public Radio’s “Midday” program. He fairly spit out the word “welfare” before offering this grousing aside: ”By the way, Minnesota’s in danger, I believe, of becoming one big social service agency.”
More imminent is the danger that Minnesota will become one big election-contest courtroom, as Coleman takes his complaints about the election to the state’s high court.
Coleman made his “we will never know” statement to the St. Paul Pioneer Press editorial board, writes reporter Rachel Stassen-Berger (in an article that runs separately from the newspaper’s editorial, which also appears this morning).
Coleman also told the PiPress board that the question for his legal team is not whether to file a petition for an appeal to the state Supreme Court. Rather, he said, it’s “the scope of the appeal. Do we file on every point or do we appeal on some points?”
On that point Coleman will almost certainly get sage advice from lawyer Ben Ginsberg (a veteran of the 2000 Bush v. Gore case), who asserts that a winner is impossible to determine unless the state accedes to Coleman’s Constitutional argument that its election system failed to treat voters in different counties equally.
“You cannot know who won this election without coming to grips with the equal protection issue,” Ginsberg warned.
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42 Comments »
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 9:11 am
Norm, I’m surprised I have to explain this to you, you being a politician and all, but:
The one who gets the most votes is the person who won!
According to the most careful and open count ever seen in the history of elections, that person was Al Franken.
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 9:39 am
Norm…what’s the problem? Can’t you accept the people of Minnisota elected Mr. Franken as their junior US Senator? It does not matter the margin of the win, the fact is: Mr. Franken got MORE VOTES THAN YOU DID. He IS the junior US Senator for Minnisota. I believe your problem is one of great selfishness and stubborness and you just cannot accept the state’s voters, “NO, Mr. Coleman, we do NOT want you as our US Senator”. Why can’t YOU AND YOUR PARTY LEADERS ACCEPT THIS?? It is time you put a halt to YOUR spending your taxpayers’ hard-earned money on your own selfish political agenda. YOU LOST, face it and move on!!
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 9:43 am
We know who won, Normie–it ain’t YOU. Get over it!!!!
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Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:00 am
It should be obvious to all that this is not about the election per se. Coleman knows that he has lost.
Its about stalling tactics to ensure that Franken cannot take his seat in the US Senate for as long as possible. This is completely in line with the republican strategy: when you can’t steal an election, sabotage the winner.
I wonder if charges can be brought against the GOP, as well as Coleman, for violation of applicable constitutional law?
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:10 am
Will Mr. Franken please take his seat. The courts said you won, the people say you won, Now please go do the job you were hired to do!
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:33 am
What is this, “we will never know who won” comment by Norm Coleman? Everybody else knows who won; it is Mr. Coleman and his republican cohorts who “don’t know who won” because they are in self-denial. Millions of taxpayer’s monies have already been spent on this particular election. Mr. Pawlenty (sp) needs to step up the the plate, do the right and legal thing, and certify Mr. Franken! Enough is enough, already!!
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:45 am
Both of these guys are worthless. I just hate that we have to spend the next six years with either one of them as our Senator.
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:47 am
Norm you are a complete ass-hat. So every other close election in the history of the United States needs to be thrown out? We have elected at least two presidents, Ruthford B. Hayes and Woodrow Wilson, with a smaller population percentage margin than between Norm “Laurie can I borrow $75,000?” Coleman and Senator Al Franken. Somebody needs to tell that useless whining bastard that while there has never been a perfect election, Minnesota got damn close in sending you into the historical toilet.
We should at least thank Normy for taking Gimmicky Timmy Pawlenty down with him…
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 12:00 pm
See, this is why Norm should not be elected, and a semi-honest comedian is much preferable as a senator.
Norm has only political ambition. He has zero principles or leadership. He only wants to hold office and will do anything from changing parties to changing reality to achieve his goal. He even is floating trial balloons of running for governor just in case he loses the senate. How did nearly half the people in this state vote for him?
On election night Norm said “Minnesotans have made a clear choice.” He said this after leading by about 700 votes in an election with about 4 million votes cast. Everything seems so clear to him when he was ahead. Now that he is behind, the choice is not all that clear. What more evidence to you need that this guy is a hack.
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 12:54 pm
The Equal Protection claim that the Coleman legal team will attempt to raise is a very,very,weak one. Nonetheless, it is about the ONLY one that could possibly get some traction from the Supreme Court. But , wait, those darn court transcripts and evidence clearly show that, although the canvassing boards derived the intent of the ballots in differing ways, they all adhered to state law in the same consistent matter. Those pesky facts… Although the Appeals Court did not specifically address the equal protection issue that the Coleman team wants to raise, the opinion from the Appeals Court is quite transparent that the election was fair, adhered to state law, and was otherwise consistent with U.S. and Minnesota state law. For the Mn. Supreme Court to overturn the decision, they would have to see a obvious misinterpretation of the law, a glaring ommision from the records from the State Appellate Court, or some other matter that would be grounds for an appelate decision to be overturned
We also need to look at at least one, maybe two more justices recusing themselves from hearing this case. Is there a minimum number of justices required to hear a case?
My bet is that the Minnesota Supreme Court will punt (in due reference to Alan Page) on this and decline to hear it. If they do hear it, and again in deference to Justice Page, you will see a “hurry-up offense” with the issues before it to be very narrow in scope and expect it to be briefed and heard with a decision all within 30 days.
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
Everybody except Norm Coleman has known who won for some time.
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 2:53 pm
One is very much reminded of the classic definition of chutzpah (i.e., the guy who dispatches his poor mother and father and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he’s an orphan).
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 9:51 pm
Norm Coleman has always served a constituency of one: Norm Coleman. He continues to do so. And then there’s that “actress” he hires to play his wife whenever another election comes around…
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:40 pm
I fully support Norm being in Federal Court. Except it should be criminal court
for taking money from Kazeminy.
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:40 pm
The Election Contest Court decision went point-by-point and rejected Mr. Coleman’s allegations against the election process. A clean sweep against him, as read by this nonlawyer. And said Mr. Franken should get the election certificate because he got the most votes.
The Coleman campaign concludes the Court erred, as Mr. Coleman now wants to count non-qualified ballots who’s counting he previously opposed. Apparently he wants to argue equal protection for illegally cast and legally cast ballots?
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 12:30 am
Best entertainment in the country right now, should be a nightly series. Coleman: a daily reality show, watching him tell others that he won. Going home, intimate talk, empty bedroom — cut to LA with wife, chit chat, promote the blo and go — back to MN. Watching the dissolution of their relationship. Best show on TV. The Coleman Show: State of Mind Senator, Senator Without a State. Senator being paid to delay the seating of a democrat. No longer a politician, he is a republican operative and proving his worth by destroying himself by taking a hit to help the big boys. , not to worry. A story of success through failure, self destruction is assuaged. Coleman is a good soldier, not just a sore loser. Clown and Hero, Comedy and Tragedy all in one.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 4:47 am
Ok Dumbass Norm. Since you are too fucking stupid to conclude that the person with the most votes wins in a democracy, let’s make it simple with a new statement. Minnesota knows who lost this election – and that egotistical dumbass was YOU Norm Coleman. And by the way, this election was your swan song. Your political career is over!!! Now get ready for your other court case about the 75,000 and what ever else your dumbass is involved in.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 5:42 am
If I were Al Franken I would be worried that any airplane I flew on might mysteriously fall out of the sky. Just like the last Senator from Minnesota that ran against Sham Coleman.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 11:31 am
Minnesota Politics! What a joke. Al Franken…LOL What Hulk Hogan was Busy? What about Superfly Jimmy Snuka?
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 1:32 pm
Mr. Ginsberg appears not to understand that he has no equal protection impact unless he has proof of disparate impact. He has to show that any variations in approach to ballot eligibility (and the courts have factually found there were none) impacted Coleman disproprotionately instead of being randomly harmful. He has zero proof of that. This isn’t a good argument by a 1st year law student. Mr Gimnsberg simply seeks to frivolously waste the court’s time and the taxpayers money for delay purposes.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 1:35 pm
If the Mn Sup Ct has a spine it will deny cert. If Gov Pawlenty wants to salvage his political career he will sign the election certificate and we will be done with this mess.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
Norm, quit squandering our State’s judicial resources and the patience of voters… You lost… get over it.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 4:43 pm
I can’t believe this guy. He’s still at it. He doesn’t know when to quit! Everyone else knows that he lost… get on with your life. When it was Al Gore trying to count the votes in Florida, republicans said get on with your life you loose… And when one of their guys loose, they just can’t get on with their life…. REPUBLICANS = HYPOCRITES
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
Initial count was Coleman +477 votes. The recount had Franken ahead.
So…Franken could have conceded back then as well, if he had wanted to. If everyone whining today about Coleman conceding was so concerned about the process, they would have urged Franken to quit. Hypocrites.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 5:30 pm
What a whiner. Norm Coleman must not have any other skills, and so he is deathly afraid of being forced out into the real world to fend for himself.
What? No more cushy senate seat? No more money? But he really wants to still be senator!!
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 5:37 pm
Bob: In Minnesota, a recount is mandated by law in cases where the margin of victory is under 1 percent.
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 8:09 pm
jackass i remember the first vote he said franken should concede and save the taxpayers money…
how much has he done to stretch out his continuously losing battle now?
Comment posted April 17, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
I wonder how he would react if he was in Mr Gore’s shoes in 2000. “Too bad you go a half million more votes Mr. coleman, ‘cuz you lost the election”.
And many on Mr Coleman’s side of the political spectrum labelled Mr. Gore a “sore loser”
Comment posted April 18, 2009 @ 2:40 am
hey norm,
take a walk; take a powder; why dont you bail; time to split; make like a tree and leave; vamos; simply put get-the-’f'-out of here!
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Comment posted April 18, 2009 @ 4:59 pm
Lacking residence in MN., I lack the ability to vote for either Coleman or Franken. However, I do understand the angst over this issue. In my state of Ohio the election of 2004 was overseen by a political ideology (Kenneth Blackwell’s neoconservativism) that focused not on an open, fair, and free election process its focus was on controlling the voting numbers. Coleman is of the Blackwell ilk. These neocons have delusions as being ” divinely chosen” to lead, regardless of the will and desire of the electorate.
The truth of the matter is simply this, there are wealthy and powerful entities who are willing to subdue justice (the will of Mns.) if they benefit, in any manner, as long as they have a front man to use. Norm Coleman is such a man. He cares less what Mns., desire or elect, its what Norm Coleman desires that has relevance. As an afterthought, is it possible Norm Coleman believes that as long as he remains a senate contender(fretfully)the FBI probe concerning his alleged money problems, will remain somewhat limited?
Comment posted April 19, 2009 @ 9:34 am
Every time I hear anything about this lately, the only thing I can think of is to ask Normie “Would you like a little cheese with your whine?”
Comment posted April 19, 2009 @ 3:21 pm
Norm has gone from low class to no class. Didn’t he ever learn that just as important as being a good winner is being a gracious loser. There was nothing wrong with contesting the results to make sure everything was counted properly but that’s over with and it’s time to concede.
Comment posted April 19, 2009 @ 6:41 pm
Get over it Norm!!! A slow hug from Michelle Bachman might help, it always helps me even thinking about it??
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Comment posted April 20, 2009 @ 11:46 am
It’s time to change how ballots are counted. If the ballot isn’t filled out properly, your vote doesn’t count. We should not have to wait for “Intent” to be determined. If you are not smart enough to fill out the ballot properly, then you are not smart enough for your vote to be counted. Plain and simple.
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
It’s time for Norm to call it quits. His lawyers helped to set the rules for the recount, and when that blew up in their faces, they decided the rules – they chose – were wrong. However, the bigger picture in this is that we could have an interim senator if Governor spineless would stand up for Minnesota, rather than for Norm. He supports Norm’s claims that the laws were ok when they applied to Al, but since they get in the way of Norm getting his way, there must be something wrong with the way they work. If you recall, Governor Spineless got his job the same way Norm got his – through manipultion and deception, and with being handpicked by the Bush administration. Give it up Norm. The people have spoken, they have followed your rules and you still didn’t win. Find another job.
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 3:45 pm
i personally like franken alot esp after seeing him on the daily show last night
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