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		<title>By: Tired of the same old song</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tired of the same old song</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t about an SEIU &quot;raid&quot; (despite the steady barrage of propaganda from HERE&#039;s PR operatives that alleges such a grand conspiracy)... this is about HERE&#039;s refusal to accept UNITE&#039;s decision to end a merger that almost everyone in the labor movement knew had failed.   The UNITE HERE merger was supposed to be one of &quot;equal&quot; partners.  This just isn&#039;t how things turned out.  SEIU only became involved after the HERE leadership refused to respect the decision of UNITE&#039;s leaders and members to break away (after an overwhelming majority of those 150,000 workers signed petitions and voted to disaffiliate from UH).   It was the threat of raids and attempts by HERE to take property and assets that belonged to UNITE locals and joint boards that led the new Workers United to team up with a bigger  union for support &amp; protection.   Wilhelm and the bosses at HERE know this as well as I do.   At this point, WU/SEIU have an offer on the table for peace (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/A_35_millionplus_offer_in_labor_dispute.html)   and Wilhelm is finally exposing himself as a shakedown artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t about an SEIU &#8220;raid&#8221; (despite the steady barrage of propaganda from HERE&#8217;s PR operatives that alleges such a grand conspiracy)&#8230; this is about HERE&#8217;s refusal to accept UNITE&#8217;s decision to end a merger that almost everyone in the labor movement knew had failed.   The UNITE HERE merger was supposed to be one of &#8220;equal&#8221; partners.  This just isn&#8217;t how things turned out.  SEIU only became involved after the HERE leadership refused to respect the decision of UNITE&#8217;s leaders and members to break away (after an overwhelming majority of those 150,000 workers signed petitions and voted to disaffiliate from UH).   It was the threat of raids and attempts by HERE to take property and assets that belonged to UNITE locals and joint boards that led the new Workers United to team up with a bigger  union for support &amp; protection.   Wilhelm and the bosses at HERE know this as well as I do.   At this point, WU/SEIU have an offer on the table for peace (<a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/A_35_millionplus_offer_in_labor_dispute.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/A_35_millionplus_offer_in_labor_dispute.html</a>)   and Wilhelm is finally exposing himself as a shakedown artist.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With over 90% of the U.S. workforce not in unions, it is truly pathetic that unions like SEIU try to expand by raiding other unions.  This doe not help the labor movement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With over 90% of the U.S. workforce not in unions, it is truly pathetic that unions like SEIU try to expand by raiding other unions.  This doe not help the labor movement!</p>
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		<title>By: working member</title>
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		<dc:creator>working member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rank &amp; File states things pretty well. People who work in factories and other workplaces don&#039;t need, &quot;highly educated white men pontificate about what “workers” want and what is best for “the workers.&quot; History shows that has never worked. Usually the college recruites play at being revolutionaries for a few years and then go on to law school or graduate school when they realize that organizing is hard, grueling work.

Sadly, HERE organizing style just doesn&#039;t work - no one has 5 - 10 years to build committees or to prove how committed they are. It&#039;s crazy - even if it did work there&#039;s no money to fund that any longer. The leadership of UNITE HERE (both sides) wasted millions of our dues dollars in places like Indianapolis and there&#039;s nothing to show for it. Being fanatical and not practical about what works does nothing to build a worker&#039;s movement or change the plight of working families. 


The revolution won&#039;t happen inside the staff of labor unions, for real change to happen members have to lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rank &amp; File states things pretty well. People who work in factories and other workplaces don&#8217;t need, &#8220;highly educated white men pontificate about what “workers” want and what is best for “the workers.&#8221; History shows that has never worked. Usually the college recruites play at being revolutionaries for a few years and then go on to law school or graduate school when they realize that organizing is hard, grueling work.</p>
<p>Sadly, HERE organizing style just doesn&#8217;t work &#8211; no one has 5 &#8211; 10 years to build committees or to prove how committed they are. It&#8217;s crazy &#8211; even if it did work there&#8217;s no money to fund that any longer. The leadership of UNITE HERE (both sides) wasted millions of our dues dollars in places like Indianapolis and there&#8217;s nothing to show for it. Being fanatical and not practical about what works does nothing to build a worker&#8217;s movement or change the plight of working families. </p>
<p>The revolution won&#8217;t happen inside the staff of labor unions, for real change to happen members have to lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Rank and File</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rank and File</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are certainly fair criticisms that can be made of Stern and SEIU, but not knowing how to organize just isn&#039;t one of them.   You do realize, that for all of its faults, this is the one union in the country that has more than doubled in size while most of the rest of the labor movement has continued to lose numbers and power?   This growth (contrary to the beliefs and arguments of the anti-SEIU community) was not solely through mergers and affiliations or back-rrom deals cut with bosses, but includes hundreds of thousands of workers organzied through real committe-based campaigns who have fought and struck for recognition and good contracts.  These fights have achieved real progress for those workers.

SEIU is not Any Stern, and it is not monolithic either.   It still includes some of the most democratic and militant local unions in the nation and in many places it has achieved the highest standards of wages, benefits and shop-floor rights for workers in thier core industries (there are tens of thousands of SEIU janitors and nursing home workers who make double the national average wage for workers in thier occupation, with full paid health insurance and pension benefits, that would offer a different pesrspective on thier union if any of the commentators would actually bother to talk to an actual worker, rather than just preaching to everyone else about what they believe workers want and need).  

Either way, the UNITE/HERE nightmare still isn&#039;t about Stern or SEIU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certainly fair criticisms that can be made of Stern and SEIU, but not knowing how to organize just isn&#8217;t one of them.   You do realize, that for all of its faults, this is the one union in the country that has more than doubled in size while most of the rest of the labor movement has continued to lose numbers and power?   This growth (contrary to the beliefs and arguments of the anti-SEIU community) was not solely through mergers and affiliations or back-rrom deals cut with bosses, but includes hundreds of thousands of workers organzied through real committe-based campaigns who have fought and struck for recognition and good contracts.  These fights have achieved real progress for those workers.</p>
<p>SEIU is not Any Stern, and it is not monolithic either.   It still includes some of the most democratic and militant local unions in the nation and in many places it has achieved the highest standards of wages, benefits and shop-floor rights for workers in thier core industries (there are tens of thousands of SEIU janitors and nursing home workers who make double the national average wage for workers in thier occupation, with full paid health insurance and pension benefits, that would offer a different pesrspective on thier union if any of the commentators would actually bother to talk to an actual worker, rather than just preaching to everyone else about what they believe workers want and need).  </p>
<p>Either way, the UNITE/HERE nightmare still isn&#8217;t about Stern or SEIU.</p>
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		<title>By: Rank and File</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rank and File</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Tony, but I think you might need to lay off the Kool Aid (I do not work for SEIU and I didn&#039;t get whatever &quot;talking points&quot; memo you seem to believe I was working from).  

I have been active in the labor movement for the last two decades and unlike Wilhelm or Raynor, I actually came from the rank-and-file (and not as an Ivy-League educated &quot;salt&quot; either) so I dont think I need any lectures about who cares for workers and who doesn&#039;t. In fact, I&#039;m rather tired of hearing all of the highly educated white men pontificate about what &quot;workers&quot; want and what is best for &quot;the workers&quot;I have good friends on all sides in this dispute, as well as friends and family members that are members of all three of these unions.  I don&#039;t think anyones&#039; hands are totally clean here, but I also think the demonizing and personal attacks accomplish nothing and damage the good people and the good work that you can find in all of these unions.  Sweeping generalisations and false accusations may be all you can manage when the facts are inconvenient, but they are not at all persuasive.  

This is not a Wilhelm-led holy war for the sacred principle of &quot;union democracy&quot; (as much as the HERE PR machine is trying to make it seem that way)... it is a power struggle and a fight over dividing the assets of a failed merger that has already effectively been ended through secession.     

Do you really believe that neither Andy Stern or Bruce Raynor &quot;care about workers&quot;?  Really?  You may disagree with them on many points of principle, politics or strategy (as I do) but to claim they &quot;don&#039;t care about workers&quot; demonstrates your ignorance and partisanship.  To argue that these unions &quot;don&#039;t know how to organize&quot; is also a laughable claim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Tony, but I think you might need to lay off the Kool Aid (I do not work for SEIU and I didn&#8217;t get whatever &#8220;talking points&#8221; memo you seem to believe I was working from).  </p>
<p>I have been active in the labor movement for the last two decades and unlike Wilhelm or Raynor, I actually came from the rank-and-file (and not as an Ivy-League educated &#8220;salt&#8221; either) so I dont think I need any lectures about who cares for workers and who doesn&#8217;t. In fact, I&#8217;m rather tired of hearing all of the highly educated white men pontificate about what &#8220;workers&#8221; want and what is best for &#8220;the workers&#8221;I have good friends on all sides in this dispute, as well as friends and family members that are members of all three of these unions.  I don&#8217;t think anyones&#8217; hands are totally clean here, but I also think the demonizing and personal attacks accomplish nothing and damage the good people and the good work that you can find in all of these unions.  Sweeping generalisations and false accusations may be all you can manage when the facts are inconvenient, but they are not at all persuasive.  </p>
<p>This is not a Wilhelm-led holy war for the sacred principle of &#8220;union democracy&#8221; (as much as the HERE PR machine is trying to make it seem that way)&#8230; it is a power struggle and a fight over dividing the assets of a failed merger that has already effectively been ended through secession.     </p>
<p>Do you really believe that neither Andy Stern or Bruce Raynor &#8220;care about workers&#8221;?  Really?  You may disagree with them on many points of principle, politics or strategy (as I do) but to claim they &#8220;don&#8217;t care about workers&#8221; demonstrates your ignorance and partisanship.  To argue that these unions &#8220;don&#8217;t know how to organize&#8221; is also a laughable claim</p>
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		<title>By: michael biskar</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael biskar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indianapolis hotel workers are currently engaged in a struggle of historic proportions. The Employee Free Choice Act is not just being fought for in the Senate and House Chambers in Washington, but in the streets of Indy, where huge majorities of hotel workers at the Westin, Hyatt, and Sheraton hotels are demanding that the corporations respect their right to a fair process. The passage of EFCA would give these workers the union. Here is a video about their struggle:

http://gallery.mac.com/lynfilm#100093/RaisingIndianapolis_WEB&amp;bgcolor=black</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indianapolis hotel workers are currently engaged in a struggle of historic proportions. The Employee Free Choice Act is not just being fought for in the Senate and House Chambers in Washington, but in the streets of Indy, where huge majorities of hotel workers at the Westin, Hyatt, and Sheraton hotels are demanding that the corporations respect their right to a fair process. The passage of EFCA would give these workers the union. Here is a video about their struggle:</p>
<p><a href="http://gallery.mac.com/lynfilm#100093/RaisingIndianapolis_WEB&#038;bgcolor=black" rel="nofollow">http://gallery.mac.com/lynfilm#100093/RaisingIndianapolis_WEB&#038;bgcolor=black</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tony Wonder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Wonder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the comment by &#039;Rank and File&#039; 

Congratulations for hitting all the UNITE/SEIU talking points in one concise statement. Your union may not care about workers, and you may not know how to organize, but your PR work and press prowess are second to none!

Communications specialists of the world unite!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the comment by &#8216;Rank and File&#8217; </p>
<p>Congratulations for hitting all the UNITE/SEIU talking points in one concise statement. Your union may not care about workers, and you may not know how to organize, but your PR work and press prowess are second to none!</p>
<p>Communications specialists of the world unite!</p>
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		<title>By: Rank and File</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rank and File</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know how much folks like to bash Stern &amp; SEIU in certain circles, but the idea that this whole thing was some grand conspiracy by the Service Employees is just ridiculous.   Anyone who knows what has been happening in UNITE HERE over the last several years knows that the merger was flawed and failed - and that the marraige would not last (different culture, different strategies and tactics and too many irreconcilable differences).   Was it really that surprising that the UNITE folks would want to go thier seperate way?   

What I think this is really all about is that some on the HERE side just don&#039;t want to see the UNITE members walk away with all of the assets they had brought into the merger.   Fair is fair... the building, the bank and the money belonged to the members of UNITE who paid thier dues while working in the textile mills and garment shops to pool the reources that funded thier union&#039;s operations to benefit those workers and thier families.  HERE was bankrupt before the merger because of thier history of corruption and mismanagement (and like it or not, this is an uncontested fact and it was the primary motive for HERE wanting the merger in the first place).   Now John Wilhelm thinks HERE should be able to keep what never belonged to him because 150,000 members have chosen to walk away?   Is this what Wilhelm&#039;s idea of democracy is?   Tyrnany of the majority is not democracy, and attempting to pillage the legacy and treasury of generations of garment workers is an inexcusable act that only heightens the hypocrisy of those who claim this whole fight is about union &quot;democracy&quot;.

Its time to end this pointless and destructive feud.   Sit at the table, sign the divorce settlement and get back to work building a labor movement that actually works for working people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know how much folks like to bash Stern &amp; SEIU in certain circles, but the idea that this whole thing was some grand conspiracy by the Service Employees is just ridiculous.   Anyone who knows what has been happening in UNITE HERE over the last several years knows that the merger was flawed and failed &#8211; and that the marraige would not last (different culture, different strategies and tactics and too many irreconcilable differences).   Was it really that surprising that the UNITE folks would want to go thier seperate way?   </p>
<p>What I think this is really all about is that some on the HERE side just don&#8217;t want to see the UNITE members walk away with all of the assets they had brought into the merger.   Fair is fair&#8230; the building, the bank and the money belonged to the members of UNITE who paid thier dues while working in the textile mills and garment shops to pool the reources that funded thier union&#8217;s operations to benefit those workers and thier families.  HERE was bankrupt before the merger because of thier history of corruption and mismanagement (and like it or not, this is an uncontested fact and it was the primary motive for HERE wanting the merger in the first place).   Now John Wilhelm thinks HERE should be able to keep what never belonged to him because 150,000 members have chosen to walk away?   Is this what Wilhelm&#8217;s idea of democracy is?   Tyrnany of the majority is not democracy, and attempting to pillage the legacy and treasury of generations of garment workers is an inexcusable act that only heightens the hypocrisy of those who claim this whole fight is about union &#8220;democracy&#8221;.</p>
<p>Its time to end this pointless and destructive feud.   Sit at the table, sign the divorce settlement and get back to work building a labor movement that actually works for working people.</p>
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		<title>By: News Day: Lightening up in the legislature / Burroughs brouhaha / Union battles / Entenza / more &#171; Mary Turck</title>
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		<dc:creator>News Day: Lightening up in the legislature / Burroughs brouhaha / Union battles / Entenza / more &#171; Mary Turck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here The Minnesota Independent reports on heated infighting that involves UNITE HERE union coalition and the SEIU. The national dissension [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here The Minnesota Independent reports on heated infighting that involves UNITE HERE union coalition and the SEIU. The national dissension [...]</p>
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