The law enforcement lobby has been conducting a full-court press in editorial pages and in legislative committees against a medical marijuana bill that may end up on Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s desk. And it seems to be working. Pawlenty has cited the opposition of law enforcement to the bill as his motivation for making sure the bill never becomes law.
Pawlenty waded into the debate recently when he was filling in for a conservative Christian talk radio host on KKMS. “I don’t like it,” he said of medical marijuana. “Is it really the only thing that can give [patients] relief?”
He said it was law enforcement officials who informed his opinion of medical marijuana and inspired him to veto the bill if it passes. “Law enforcement, in the form of county attorneys and the sheriffs, have great concerns about it from a law enforcement standpoint,” Pawlenty said. “I have come down on the side of saying I stand with law enforcement on this issue.“
But the claims made by Minnesota law enforcement officials are at best half-truths and exaggerations, and in some cases directly contradict government data.
Claim: Medical associations don’t support it
Dakota County Attorney James Blackstrom, representing the County Attorneys Association, the Minnesota Police & Peace Officers Association, the Minnesota Chiefs of Police Association, the Minnesota Sheriffs Association and the Minnesota State Association of Narcotics Investigators, penned a recent editorial to virtually every newspaper in the state against the bill. Among the reasons he cited was that major medical associations don’t endorse medical marijuana.
“[I]t is important to keep in mind that the use of marijuana has not been endorsed by the major medical organizations representing the groups of patients proponents say need it the most, including the American Cancer Society, the National Multiple Sclerosis Society and the American Academy of Ophthalmology,” he wrote. “The Minnesota Department of Human Services and the Minnesota Society of Addiction Medicine also oppose the passage of this law.”
But the American Cancer Society does support medical marijuana research, even if it doesn’t recommend it as a treatment. “The ACS [American Cancer Society] is supportive of more research into the benefits of cannabinoids. Better and more effective treatments are needed to overcome the side effects of cancer and its treatment,” says the group’s position. “The ACS does not advocate the use of inhaled marijuana or the legalization of marijuana.”
The National Multiple Sclerosis Society (NMMS) similarly says it doesn’t advocate medical marijuana because there hasn’t been enough study, but it remains open to it.
“The National MS Society is funding a well controlled study on the effectiveness of different forms of marijuana to treat spasticity in MS, and established a task force to examine the use of Cannabis in MS to review what is currently known about its potential,” says the group’s statement on the issue. “This task force had made specific recommendations on the research that still needs to be done to answer pressing questions about the potential effectiveness and safety of marijuana and its derivatives in treating MS.”
NMSS also acknowledged the benefits of inhaled marijuana versus pill form. “Because inhaled smoked cannabis has more favorable pharmacokinetics than administration via oral or other routes, research should focus on the development of an inhaled mode of administration that gives results as close to smoked cannabis as possible.” The group also acknowledges benefits to marijuana. “There are sufficient data available to suggest that cannabinoids may have neuroprotective effects.”
While Blackstrom cherry-picks organizations that haven’t endorsed medical marijuana, he leaves out many of the groups of patients and physicians who have endorsed it. The American College of Physicians, the second largest physicians’ group in the nation, endorsed medical marijuana in 2008. Other groups that have endorsed include the American Academy of HIV Medicine (AAHIVM), the American Nurses Association (ANA), the American Public Health Association (APHA), the Arthritis Research Campaign, the HIV Medicine Association of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Lymphoma Foundation of America (LFA), The National Association for Public Health Policy, Minnesota Nurses Association, Minnesota Public Health Association and the Minnesota AIDS Project.
Claim: Medical use leads to use by children
Perhaps the most popular refrain from law enforcement is that the legalization of medical marijuana will entice children to start smoking it. Blackstrom mentioned this in his editorial. “Legalizing marijuana for medical purposes sends a message to our children that it is safe to use when it is clearly not,” he wrote.
Senator Bill Ingebrigtsen, R-Alexandria, in a recent column in the Alexandria Echo Press, echoed that concern. “I’m worried about the message this will send to our young people,” he said. “If our society equates marijuana with just another painkiller, you send the message to our youth that they’re doing nothing more than abusing over-the-counter drugs such as aspirin or Tylenol, and nothing could be further from the truth.”
Dennis J. Flaherty, the executive director and chief lobbyist of the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association, wrote a similar editorial last week. “Legalizing it for medical purposes will create a perception among many, especially our children, that marijuana is a good thing, when we all know that it is not.”
With more than a dozen states allowing patients to possess medical marijuana, research has begun to address the question of the effects of legalization (at the state level, anyway) on children.
The only published study to date (PDF) comes from the Marijuana Policy Project, a group that advocates for medical marijuana.
Drawing on federal and state government surveys of adolescent drug use, the group looked at data from states that have legalized medical marijuana and found that in the majority of states, teen marijuana use dropped after medical marijuana was legalized.
California saw a 47 percent drop in monthly teen marijuana use between legalization (1996) and 2004. Washington state surveys saw anywhere from a 25- to 50-percent decrease in teen use from legalization (1998) to 2006. Teens in Hawaii, Vermont, Nevada, Maine, Alaska, Rhode Island and Montana all described a decline in use of marijuana after passage of medical marijuana laws.
It’s important to note that over a similar time frame, the national numbers for teen marijuana use also declined. In California, Alaska, Washington, Hawaii, Nevada and Rhode Island, however, teens reported much larger decreases in marijuana use than the national average. In Vermont and Oregon, the results were mixed, with some indicators showing a larger decrease than the national average and other indicators showing smaller decreases. Only Oregon lagged significantly behind the nation.
Claim: Patients could grow up to 30 pounds of marijuana a year
Another part of the argument against medical marijuana is that the bill allows a patient, or a nonprofit acting on behalf of the patient, to grow too much marijuana. The current bill reduced the number of plants a patient could possess from 6 to 12.
Blackstrom in the Star Tribune wrote, “ [The bill] allows for the growing of far more marijuana than a legitimate patient would ever need for medical purposes (up to 12 plants per patient, which can produce 12-30 pounds of marijuana per year — excess quantities create incentives for drug ‘rip-off’ robberies and organized crime involvement).”
But whether marijuana plants can yield an average of 1 to 3 pounds per plant is in dispute. Most studies on the matter have been done by law enforcement, but some have been done outside the United States where marijuana isn’t as taboo.
The American Academy of Forensic Sciences published a study about indoor marijuana yields in the Netherlands, a country with very lax marijuana laws. Researchers found that “for the median Dutch grow room, the predicted yield of female flower buds at the harvestable developmental stage… was 33.7 g/plant.” That’s less than a pound for 12 plants.
For outdoor growing, the DEA conducted two studies. In controlled growing situations, marijuana plants averaged between 215 grams and 1,015 grams per plant, or between a quarter of a pound and two pounds. The DEA also surveyed seized plants from 15 states and found that the average yield was 1 pound.
A cursory survey of online marijuana seed suppliers shows these clandestine operations claim yields similar to those reflected in the research. Seeds from an Amsterdam supplier are touted as providing 500 grams per plant outdoors for their products. Other seed suppliers tout between 400 and 700 grams for outdoor cultivation depending on variety — between less than a pound to a pound and a half per plant.
Even Blackstrom has backed off his early claims of very high yields. He told Minnesota Public Radio’s “Midday” in March 2007 that “one plant can yield anywhere from one to five pounds of marijuana, depending on the potency of the plant.” Five pounds would be 2,268 grams, well above what most experts agree would be a typical yield from one marijuana plant.
Is 12 pounds of marijuana per year necessary for a patient? In 1978, the federal government launched the Compassionate Investigational New Drug program that provides marijuana to patients. It was discontinued in 1992, but four patients are still grandfathered in and receive between 320 and 360 grams of federally grown marijuana monthly. That’s 9.5 pounds per year. More than the current bill would allow but less than the 12-plant limit originally contained in the bill.
Claim: Marijuana is medically unsafe
Blackstrom also says that marijuana hasn’t gone through the proper scrutiny. “The FDA has stated that ‘medical’ marijuana laws are ‘inconsistent with efforts to ensure that medications undergo the rigorous scientific scrutiny of the FDA approval process and are proven safe and effective.’ No medicine in America is delivered via smoking for obvious health-related reasons (and marijuana contains three to five times more tar and 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke).”
But the FDA has refused to study it and in the few instances they have allowed research to continue, the DEA has blocked it. The DEA prevented Massachusetts researchers from using non-government grown marijuana and also blocked California researchers who wanted to conduct studies on vaporizing marijuana to eliminate inhaled smoke.
The FDA said in 2004, “Current marijuana research has not progressed to Phase 2 of the clinical trials because current research must use smoked marijuana, which ultimately cannot be the permitted delivery system for any potential marijuana medication due to the deleterious effects and the difficulty in monitoring the efficaciousness of smoked marijuana.”
Ironically, the only federally endorsed (and FDA-approved) medical marijuana under the Compassionate Investigational New Drug program is smoked marijuana. The remaining patients in the program are given pre-rolled joints by the FDA — for smoking.
The debate over medical marijuana is a passionate one, but not all arguments made by law enforcement officials — and decisions made by Gov. Pawlenty — appear to be based on solid facts.
Pawlenty may have to make that decision soon. The Minnesota Senate recently passed the bill, and it could appear for a vote in the House in the next week.














48 Comments »
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 11:58 am
When law officers are required to have a medical degree, then I will listen to what they have to say on this topic. Otherwise, it’s the same old dance…No, we just enforce the laws. We don’t make them. That’s why I’m testifying here today against …. right… LEO’s are just looking after their JOBS!
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 12:11 pm
these claims by pawlenty and law enforcement are ridiculous. and why is he listening to law enforcement. he should be listening to doctors, not cops. when i need to talk to someone about medical issues i go to a doctor, not law enforcement. he is pretty much just coming up with whatever excuse he can cause if he were to pass the law he would be crossing republican party lines and we know that our fair governor would never do that cause he cares more about what the republican party thinks than what the people in minnesota want. this bill is not gonna get passed with someone whose main concern is becoming president of the US.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 12:19 pm
Andy,
This is an excellent article! I appreciate your research on this subject. This must have taken a lot of time.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 12:21 pm
Law enforcement doesn’t create policy, the voters create policy. It’s time for the police to learn their place. And no, pot is not the only drug we can give chronic pain and nausea patients but it’s the only one they can grow for free, the prescription drugs at your local pharmacy are just too expensive. Pot should be legal. Mexico just legalized possession of small amounts of all drugs. Switzerland just legalized heroin. Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001 and their experience has been positive. Now if you are caught with a 10 day supply of your drug or less you face an administrative court, not a criminal court, but in practice they are just not arresting people. A group of 10,000 very serious policemen, prosecutors, attorneys and citizens have formed a group to legalize ALL drugs, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (http://leap.cc ) They see what happened when we legalized alcohol in 1932 as a good example of how drug legalization would work. This foolish war on drugs has lasted 37 years and cost us over a TRILLION dollars and we are not an inch closer to stopping drugs. How many millions of Americans are we going to lock up in prison for decades? Mark Montgomery boboberg@nyc.rr.com
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 12:53 pm
As someone whose condition would benefit from the passage of this law, I can tell you that the actions of law enforcement during these hearings has done one thing: undermined my respect for them. They are NOT addressing the language of the proposed law, and legislators are playing “doctor” with peoples’ lives. A constitutional amendment WILL be put to a vote in 2010 if Pawlenty vetoes this legislation. Once that is in place, good luck overturning it if there are problems (which there will not be.) Seattle’s former police chief testified that levels of crime and use had no deleterious effect after the passage of their medical marijuana laws in Washington state. In fact, teen use DROPPED after its passage. I would welcome a review of the law after two years as the “sunset provision” allows under the current pending legislation.
If law enforcement came to the table and said “here are our concerns, let’s address them” with the lawmakers, it would be one thing. But, they have been outright opposed and have NOT brought forth concerns which are backed by fact or even basic logic. They have exaggerated, lied, and completely ignored the actual language of the bill in lieu of a campaign of fear. When something doesn’t pass the sniff test, you can usually follow the money. Law enforcement desperately fears a reduction in drug war funding if medical use of marijuana becomes the norm. Be damned if it helps people!
Governor Pawlenty isn’t passing the political sniff test either. Everything he does tip-toes the GOP line. It’s very apparent to Minnesotans and he best try actually LISTENING to the will of the people he is supposed to represent. Otherwise, he’ll be kicking and screaming after he loses any re-election bid. Hopefully it would be a resounding loss so that no election certificate is required. The majority of Minnesotans do support patients on this issue as evidenced already by polls last year when this was going through the legislative process. Making sick and dying people wait another year is cruel and unusual behavior on Pawlenty’s part.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 1:08 pm
One of the things that leads kids to Drug Use is the Early Onset Of Prescribed and OTC Drugs.
Are we too quick to start kids on drugs?
This practice “De-sensitizes Drug Use”.
We are Deluged with BigPharma Commercials during Prime-Time, The little cutesy specials on Morning talk shows where little ones are watching in the early morning hours, teach Drink Mixing, seeing folks in the Party mood laugh and have fun with that Killer Drug.
Alcohol use is thus “Normalized”.
The biggest factor is that WE don’t tell kids the TRUTH about ALL Drugs!
There is No Such Thing as a Safe Drug. I am MORE concerned that my child can purchase a bottle of Aspirin and die from an overdose than the Consequence of Cannabis!
IF a child Accidentally consumed Cannabis they would just go to sleep and wake up hungry.
No One Advocates for Kids to be allowed to use Cannabis!
In fact Legislation makes it More Difficult for kids to obtain it. Furthermore in States that have Already Legalized the Medical Use of Cannabis, Teen use rates have Declined.
So, without Hard, Factual, Scientific, Rational Arguments to Oppose Medical Cannabis Legislation, you are making decisions that Negatively Impact ALL Minnesota’s Residents!
Science backs up Proponents of MedCanna Laws, What does the Opposition have? FEAR and Mis-Truths spread from less than credible sources.
More than 600,000 will die this year from Legal drug use, in comparison to the 17,000 fatalities caused from ALL Illegal drug Abuse Combined.
http://www.mamas.org/Images/HazardsMortality.pdf
In 5000 Years of use there has been No documented fatality from the direct use of Cannabis.
The Gov. Needs to Educate himself with the Truth and Stop the Lies and Mis-truths.
Yes, Gov, Cannabis is the Least Toxic Most Effective Medicine Known To Man.
“ACCEPTED SAFETY FOR USE UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION
4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal
effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in
the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented
cannabis-induced fatality.
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15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many
foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can
result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible
to eat enough marijuana to induce death.
16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest
therapeutically
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active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis
marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.”
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_law1-4.shtml
The Above is from the DEA’s Own ALJ Francis Young in his Ruling.
Are both LEO and the Gov saying he is Wrong and telling Mis-Truths?
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 1:12 pm
It seems that Congress has made it the law of that land that marijuana use is a crime and that it has no medicinal purpose. That law governs the use by every person in every state. Thus, States lack any power over the subject and advocates are in the wrong church.
When AG Holder waffels on enforcement its because he has the obligation to enforce the laws congress makes even though he may decide not to prosecute a particular case. Bottom line – no state has the authority to violate the Constitution’s seperation of power between the Federal Govt and the States , Ag Holder has no authority to violate the seperation of power between the Executive & Legislative Branches (and thus cannot refuse to implement the will of Congress).
FINALLY, neither the Legisature, as individuals or the institution, nor the Governor are immune from personal liability for any individual damages that arise from unauthoritative acts to facilitate its access and distribution.
P.S. its most likely if it were legal for medicinal purposes only the FDA would have the right to regulate it.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
More Truth and Science:
The US Gov’t Supplies Federal Medical Cannabis Patients About 7 POUNDS of Cannabis Annually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7r8NeKuzt8
The US Govt has Also Filed Patents to Protect their interests in MedCanna products to address Many Ailments.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html
So, If Cannabis has No Medical Value, then Why bother?
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 2:31 pm
Joe,
Looks like you got your law degree from National American.
The federal government purports to regulate marijunana under the Commerce Clause. In Raich v. Gonzalez, the Supreme Court on a 5-4 vote held that marijuana grown solely for personal use is within the federal power to regulate “Interstate Commerce.” I somehow doubt the Framers would agree.
The Attorney General is certainly is not required to enforce every law all the time. Is a beat cop in Minneapolis required to write a jaywalking ticket every time he sees it? Setting law enforcement priorities is well within the purview of the AG. Frankly, I’m glad federal law enforcement resoruces will be directed away from the sick and dying. Maybe the feds can get around to chasing down the Wall Street scam artists who have ruined the lives of millions.
Finally, the argument abour personal liability is so ridiculous I’ll let it speak for itself.
Those who support the federal view of medical marijuana either don’t understand Federalism or simply love an overbearing central government.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 3:00 pm
@Joe Stein
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 1:12 pm
It seems that Congress has made it the law of that land that marijuana use is a crime ….
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Actually, cannabis prohibition is a TAX LAW. It is a crime not to pay the tax. From there, congress kicked the 10th amendment out the door and made possession illegal. The feds have no authority to make a substance illegal or to prohibit it’s possession. Prohibition of alcohol required a constitutional amendment and another one to repeal it. To bypass the constitution, a convoluted tax law was used.
So much for respect of the law by the authors of the law. So, why should I worry about the law? Wait, I don’t. Cannabis is legal by all but statute. It is easily available. It is available in quantities. I can get it within an hour. I would much rather pay a business that pays sales tax than doug dope dealer on the street. But, the feds have taken a hands off approach. They only arrest and eradicate. Doesn’t seem to be working. And, the definition of insanity is….doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Which, clearly, defines the government policy on cannabis.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 3:11 pm
Oh weird, I didn’t realize that police officers were also medical professionals. I also didn’t realize that THEY create the laws as well as enforce them.
Oh wait…
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 3:41 pm
Pawlenty’s contention that there are “better drugs for treating illness” is so short-sighted it’s ridiculous (not to mention he is a LAWYER and not a DOCTOR.) I have struggled so much to find pharmaceutical drugs to treat my crohn’s. Problem is, I have other chronic illnesses which the Crohn’s medications don’t like to play nice with. My diabetes goes wildly out of control when I take the most commonly prescribed medication for Crohn’s- Prednisone. Other medications like Pentasa gave me horrible diarrhea- the very symptom I needed it to control. For 3 years I could not find a pharmaceutical, but maijuana controlled my nausea, eased some of my arthritis pain that the crohn’s causes, and stopped the horrible stomach cramping that would send me to the bathroom multiple times each day. I’ve fortunately found a pharm that works, and marijuana helps stimulate my appetite and calms my intestines to prevent me from having diarrhea. I’ve regained the 40 pounds I lost due to not being able to eat.
But, “King Timmy” is now a doctor and knows what is best for my 3 chronic conditions.
The GOP “party of no” continues without regard to logic or compassion.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 4:00 pm
1. Since Calif. Courts have already ruled the 10th Amendment does not apply I’d like to hear the specifics on why the Founders – Federalist paper or Anti-Federalist paper – that would disagree with the commerce clause application. After all the Founders put that clause in the Constitution.
2. You have it backwards. A prosecutor has discretion when it comes to prosecuting a particular violation of a law, but is generally bound to uphold that law most of the time.
3. What makes you think ANY court will award executive or legislative immunity to those charged with the commission of a crime? Is committing a crime a “judicial act?.” A state cannot immunize State officials from acting without legal authority, especially when Federal criminal law is violated. Thus, like all crime victums, any party injured by the acts & omissions of the the Governor or a legislator(s), has a cause for seeking a civil remedy. Thus they can kiss their money goodbye.
4. You don’t help the “sick and dying” (whose potential, like the Oxygen vitamin, is open to debate; thats also why the FDA has the regulatory power) by making a deal with the devil. Prehaps more importantly, even if you consider it the lessor evil, it is still evil. And, it is no excuse for not addressing the issue at the Federal level, i.e. the people with the power to make the change. From here its seems that, given Obama’s views and his subsequent election, State advocates are still fiddling in the wrong church while people are sick and dying.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 4:39 pm
I wouldn’t call a doctor if my house was vandalized, so why in the HELL do the cops have anything to say about a medical issue?
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 4:43 pm
These cops and so called doctors are making money the way things are. All anyone needs to do is rent and watch Kevin Boot’s film American Drug War: The Last White Hope to understand what this is all about. Take notes, watch the extras.”The war on drugs has been an utter failure. We need to rethink and decriminalize our nation’s marijuana laws.” -Barack Obama, January 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un01IBzKvhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgjvC1OT8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyuBuT_7I4
…and I can go on and on and on……
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 4:44 pm
YES! Gov Pawlenty “Inhaled Cannabis Vapors gives immediate, safe and effective relief from chronic nausea and vomiting. Something which no other drug can claim even Marinol.” I suffer from Diabetic Neuropathic Gastroparesis (paralyzed stomach.) The symptoms are chronic nausea, vomiting and wasting syndrome. When my digestive specialist handed me a prescription for Reglan/Metoclopramide, the most commonly prescribed drug for my condition, he said, “Do not take Reglan on a regular basis for it causes irreversible Parkinson like shakes and tremors.” Which is not rare but a common side effect, it also causes “Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome” which is rarer yet fatal. For the U.S. Government to force me to take a drug that is worse than my condition is not only bad medical practice it is an outright slow and miserable death. I will not take the risk of acquiring a nervous disorder akin to Parkinson’s, just to please misinformed politician’s police or people when Medical Marijuana is proven the safest, most effective and efficient drug for chronic nausea and vomiting control. Vaporizing removes all tars and carcenogins, there goes that argument. Every other objection from Pawlenty has been disproven in this article. I am willing to risk arrest, prosecution, imprisonment, forfeiture of property and money in order to treat my lifelong symptoms with the most effective, safest drug known to man, Marijuana. If Gov Tim Pawlenty sides with Law Enforcement over scientific and medical facts he is proving that he is another Hitler! If Pawlenty would rather feed misinformation to the people regarding Medical Marijuana what else is he willing to risk for his own benefit. For he certainly isn’t thinking of the people of Minnesota. Do we have another Blogovich (spelling? I don’t care) on our hands? Give it up Pawlenty, if you veto the Minnesota Medical Marijuana bill you will find that in today’s world it is political suicide. RIP.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 5:04 pm
Powerful words Jeff! Thank You! I have chronic back pain and thats nothing compared to what you live with. Even the “tar” debate is bunk check out a process called ” apoptosis ” ganja does not inhibit the bodies natural function like tobacco.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n31Nuj_AvTg&feature=PlayList&p=209D1F5258F1746E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 5:11 pm
Cancer is not only a great eugenics operation to kill many millions of useless eaters but it is also a billion dollar industry! These people only get into powerful positions in government if they are all about death and foods, drugs, ect that have a death profile. Things that promote long life and mental and psyical well being are illegal!
Free film about eugenics and other relavent topics, “End Game:Blueprint For Global Enslavement-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
Free film “Run From The Cure. The Rick Simpson Story.” Cannabis Cures Cancer-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7331006790306000271
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 5:29 pm
Did someone say it was a tax law? Leary contested that a while ago on the basis that applying for the tax stamp was self-incrimination and in contradiction to the bill of rights. Weed was made de facto legal through the supreme court ruling on that case for a short while before it was re-criminalized as possesion of a controlled substance.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 5:50 pm
You guys are getting too wrapped up in technical points of the law. In the real world the attorney general can do whatever he wants, or whatever he is instructed to do by the president, and no one is going to say anything. If they want a policy where they don’t expend federal resources going after state sanctioned medical marijuana providers who are acting within state laws, they can have that policy. Who is going to stop them? A strong majority of Americans are for allowing sick people to use medical marijuana. Close to a majority are for legalizing it outright and regulating it like alcohol, and many who are opposed to that are still for medical marijuana.
And Joe, prosecutors often have policies about certain laws they aren’t going to enforce. Every state has laws on the books that aren’t enforced, as do the feds. If you think they enforce every law on the books, you aren’t living in the real world. Most prosecutors are elected and they do what they think will keep voters happy and try to avoid doing things likely to tick voters off. In the case of Holder, an appointed member of Obama’s cabinet who serves at the president’s pleasure, he’s generally going to do what his boss says to do, as are his underlings. If his boss says to back off of medical marijuana providers acting within state law, that’s what he’s going to do.
As for the states not having any power when it comes to marijuana, nonsense. They can pass whatever laws they want to pass. If a state wants to legalize marijuana all the feds can do is set up shop in that state and try to enforce their own laws. They don’t have the resources to chase everyone with a joint though. They didn’t have the resources to crack down on all medical marijuana providers back when they were raiding these facilities. They were picking and choosing which businesses to build cases against, looking for easy to prove cases that would make good show trials. Most of these businesses carried on unmolested by the feds, out in the open for all to see, and the feds did nothing because they didn’t have the resources. Part of it may also have been that they knew that if they pushed too hard it would only backfire on them, and their main mission was political in nature to begin with.
We’re going to see more states get medical marijuana laws in the coming years and we are likely to see more states decriminalize too, and maybe one or two will actually legalize marijuana. Eventually we are going to see marijuana legalized at the federal level, and it’s going to end up being regulated similar to alcohol.
Look at the writing on the wall. That’s what’s coming. Support for it has been growing since the early nineties at the rate of about one percentage point per year, and now with the economy, government debt and problems with Mexican cartels, it’s growing even faster. The oldest Americans who are most opposed to legalization are dying off. Younger Americans who grew up since marijuana became popular are slowly but surely taking the reins in our law making bodies and the voting public’s views on marijuana laws are changing both because it is becoming painfully obvious that we are doing more harm than good trying in vain to keep up the ban, and because the older voters, the vast majority of which are strongly opposed to legalization, are dying off and being replaced in their age demographic brackets by people much more open to legalization. Politicians see this trend and that’s why more of them are hinting about legalization. As the polls keep coming in showing increasing support for legalization we are going to see more politicians coming out for legalization, and not just the fringe politicians we’ve seen that from before. In ten or fifteen years, maybe a little more or a little less, it’s going to be legal. I’d bet money on that.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 6:15 pm
Look, I am just a simple guy from East Texas……the fact that I have known about LEAP now for 3 years pisses me off that your as ignorant as you are. Leap is an orginization of Law Enforcement Agianst Prohabition……Prohabition does not work…we proved that with alchohol 60 years ago…..you have no argument other than its what you have always done and your a closed minded fool…..
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 6:51 pm
“Legalizing marijuana for medical purposes sends a message to our children that it is safe to use when it is clearly not,” he wrote. Ah, I see. We can’t allow even critically ill people to use medicinal marijuana because it would send the message to children that it’s ok for them to use weed to get high, but we can allow people getting high on alcohol to be at the center of our culture without worrying for a second about the message that sends to kids. Do these cops know how hypocritical they sound? Or care? What a pathetic sadistic joke the law is. Public opinion is overwhelmingly in favor of medicinal cannabis, so Pawlenty is trashing democracy as well as medicine.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 8:55 pm
The cops, prosecutors and prohibitionist federal agents have some very powerful allies: ignorance and rank stupidity.
The laws against cannabis are a joke, but a very dangerous one. The law enforcement actions against those caught possessing or using it have done more damage to individual lives than smoking the plant ever could.
All it takes is knowing one person with a chronic disease for whom cannabis smoking is their only salvation, the thing that gets them through the day, to realize that opposition to medical marijuana is viciously cruel. Which is why sleazy characters like Blackstrom will eventually lose this argument, but not until many more people suffer needlessly. There should be a special place in hell for assholes like him.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 9:57 pm
back in old days ma and me use to go for a nice kite fly at the park we had to look out for the billybobs to make sure they don’t see ya when you were snorting the rock gut cause it was prohibited in them days. once a billybob caught ma nippin a the back lot speak easy and he broke the mason jar she was drinking from over the head of the guy sittin next to her. i werent there that time but them billybobs were always raiding our ginnery. We finally got our wish and prohibition ended. Those were the good old days and someday i am sure these will be the good old days for all you pot smokers to if you don’t get old and die first.
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 11:52 pm
If medical marijuana truly leads children easier access that would mean that by not allowing it,these same children would have easy access to the alternatives to MM.I thought the cops were worried about kids using mom’s oxycontin?The only reason there is little research into MM is due to objections from politicians like the governor.Pawlenty is typical of the anti pot lobby.He believes everything law enforcement puts out in spite of the debunking of police positions by groups like LEAP,who have been there and done that.Cherry picking of information is a tactic that has found favor among groups with no real arguments,so they count on half truths and scare tactics to try to Preach to the already opposed.It does nothing to convince anyone but can be used to justify refusing to commit to the democratic process.One day these panderers to law enforcement,who are just protecting the source of a large portion of their funding,will pay at the polls for their deceit.Remember this man when you next vote for governor.He doesn’t care how you vote anyway.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 7:19 am
Joe,
I take back my remarks. You never went to law school. When a commodity – in this case marijuana – is grown in a private home, in small quantities, not sold, not transported across state lines, and only used for personal consumption is considered to fall under the purview of the federal Commerce Clause, is an exapsion of federal power the Framers would have never supported.
Second, I’m sure every beat cop in Minnesota is now scared that they’ve run afoul of their sacred duty to cite every jaywalker and speeder in town. You rignorance of soverign immunity second only to your ignorance of federalism.
Take off your tinfoil hat and think for a moment.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 9:21 am
The argument that it is the wrong message to send to children has been used so much and run in to the ground that as soon as the general populace hears it they know the person spouting it is an idiot and not to be believed. It actually works in our favor. As far as “law enforcement” officers being experts, we all know what a joke that is. They are very upset because they have been conditioned to think it’s an evil drug and that the people who use it are evil. It is common knowledge that you have to be somewhat of a bully and dim bulb in the first place to be a “law enforcement” officer and enjoy telling people what to do and think. Besides everyone knows it’s true that people become policemen because they are too dumb to work at McDonalds
Which reminds me.
How many cops does it take to screw in a light bulb?
One, but only if it’s jelly-filled.
How many cops does it take to throw a man down the stairs???
None. He fell.
Why did the cop beat the marijuana user to death?
Because we let him.
The legalization of marijuana is a giant threat to their naive conceptions of what society should be, not to mention their bloated budgets. They cannot imagine having any authority taken away from them to arrest and intimidate. They will posture and lie and do anything to protect their supposed supremacy. But they will truly hate when they have to revert from “Law Enforcement” back to Peace Officers as they should be. The ignorant militaristic redneck law enforcement/prison industrial complex is finally being held up to the light of day. It will wither. Common sense will once again prevail. Medical marijuana will be legal
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 9:59 am
*****
Excellant article, Andy Birkey! I read MJ related news every day and you have hit the nail squarely on the head and managed to wack the thumbs of Gov. Pawlenty’s and Law Enforcements lies as well. Thank you.
The way these guys are lying about cannabis makes you wonder how many times they’ve lied on a witness stand or planted evidence or trumped up charges to further their careers. Gov. Pawlenty should be proud to associate himself with such fine americans.
Time and time again, law enforcement argues that marijuana prohibition protects our children from this “devil weed”. Yet, how many of these same cops will arrest, handcuff and jail and prosecute these same children if they bust them with pot? They don’t give a crap about our children.
Cops don’t want to legalize cannabis because it would decrease funding for all their cop toys to break down your front door, knock you in the head and shoot your family dog. Drug busts are easy work and if cannabis were legal, they may have to do some real police work.
Congradulations to the good work of the legislators of Minnesota for passing this important bill. Thank you.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 10:04 am
Why do people constantly look to law enforcement officers as experts on Marijuana? They know nothing more than whatever was they were spoon fed in training. Your average pothead knows more about it than your average LEO. This is obvious simply by the fact that the government and its people are on the losing side of the war on drugs and have been since day one, despite 70 years of Prohibition and continually worse sanctions, stigmas and penalties. If you take the time to do the research you’ll find that Pot smokers face more harsh penalties than violent crime offenders. Not just jail but forfeiture of property, loss of college funding and eligibility for govt. jobs and any assisted housing. Even with all this Pot has become the number one cash crop in America. Too bad all the money is going to criminals instead of honest citizens.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 10:40 am
Sorry can’t agree with about AG’s option to enforce law so I’ll close with the final thought. Hope your Governor/Legislator(s) have deep pockets as “Medical” marijuana legislation in Minn. is “manifestly unconstitutional because it conflicts with federal law in violation of the supremacy clause of Article VI of the United States Constitution and is, therefore, preempted by federal law. Haumant v. Griffin, 699 N.W.2d 774 2005 Minn. App.; Review denied by Haumant v. Griffin, 2005 Minn. LEXIS 528 (Minn., Aug. 24, 2005). And, as the Iowa Supreme Court (yes I know) said in Berent v. City of Iowa City “it makes no difference whether a proposal is “clearly illegal” or just “illegal,” as under either circumstance, the proposal is invalid. Haumant v. Griffin, 699 N.W.2d 774, 780 (Minn. Ct. App. 2005).
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 10:51 am
“Legalizing marijuana for medical purposes sends a message to our children that it is safe to use when it is clearly not,”
this claim is what i call Ideologically Revealing. Marijuana is a plant, easily grown, that has immense medicinal value. So many pharmaceutical pills that we give the go-ahead without a second thought have so much less value and so many more harmful side-effects.
Listen, i am no chemist or scientist, but the physical structure of the atoms or molecules in this NATURAL PLANT correspond suprisingly closely to the shape of natural dopamines or seratonins or whatever inside the human body– its a matter of bio-physiology or whatever, but the point is that the Mainstream Medical Industry has vested financial interests in the continuation of Cannabis Prohibition. That’s because they are trying to SELL us citizens pharmaceutical chemicals that will treat our various symptoms and diseases, when the whole time nature produces a far safer, more time-tested medicine than those parmaceutical chemical soups.
If you want to ingest weird pharmaceutical industry products, I won’t stop you. But why must you stop me if i choose to treat myself with a Natural Plant Medicine instead of the dangerous chemicals produced by an industry i can’t trust?
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 10:57 am
Victims of Cannabis Prohibition:
http://www.mpp.org/victims/
Timothy Garon, may he rest in peace
http://www.komonews.com/news/18475224.html
Who delivers warrants at 10:30 at night???? It’s Medical Cannabis, Not an Urgent Security/Criminal, Public Safety matter.
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_030509_news_mulino_shooting.6071846.html
There are Many, Many more stories like this.
ENOUGH!
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 11:05 am
I’m just paranoid enough to wonder if criminalization = revenue for key GOP constituencies.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
Looks as though the general concensus, at least here anyway, is for MASSIVE drug policy reform. Now, if our politicians would only follow suit. Do you suppose ANY of them read these posts?
KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK!!! The Drug War is not working! It is a war that cannot be “won”. Look at Mexico; 10,000 dead in < 2 years! Al Capone and company would disappear if we legalized, taxed and REGULATED!
ELIMINATE the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP/Drug Czar) and turn the control/regulation over to the The Department of Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms (ATF) or treat it like a health issue and put it with the Department of Health and Human Services.
This Medical Marijuana Bill is a huge step in the right direction. Governor Pawlenty, with all sincere and due respect to you and to your Office, if you do not sign this bill into law, then you haven’t a clue as to how to “govern”, sir.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
If marijuana were discovered today, and didn’t carry the bad political baggage, it would be called a godsend. It has proven medical benefits, it doesn’t lead to social deviancy and it’s far better for you than cigarettes.
With the economic climate as it is, to continue to spend billions of dollars on futile enforcement and prison upkeep is almost comical. Legalization would also help diffuse the violence in Mexico and take money away from the dealers at home while putting billions of dollars into the economy.
In essence, legalizing marijuana would be killing a plague of birds with one stone.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
we all know all the people that make money off weed. from our local dealer to the president of the usofa. there are a lot of people that make money off it. and most of those people just won’t give up the cash in their pockets just because 1% of the citizens of this country are sent off to jail for it, maybe that’s more like 5%. i’ve been busted twice for weed and i wonder just what did i do wrong? did i torture someone? did i send someone’s child into a war for no reason other then my friend’s greed? did i turn the constitution of the usofa into toilet paper? oh wait a minute if i had done those things i would be getting free medical care at the best hospitals and with the best doctors in this country. i would be getting millions of dollars a year in retirement pay and money for talking for 15 minutes and having someone else write a fictional book about me. strange how things work in this country. i guess that’s capitalism. we could try socialism but that isn’t going to happen not here.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 3:46 pm
Amazing…. here is a man (Pawlenty) who the republicans would run for president (given the opportunity) and he says he is “informed by law enforcement” on the issue. I would have assumed that he at least had the intelligence to know that law enforcement personnel don’t have medical degrees. Apparently not. His ignorance of the facts surrounding this create a stink that is unbearable.
stonerj
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 4:05 pm
Continue to smoke, continue to grow, continue to enjoy. Continue to debate your friends and family, pass on the truth, and eventually we win. We are in fast-changing times and the end of prohibition is in sight for the first time in many decades. I’m 62 and I’m hoping that someday I will not be a criminal smoking a joint in my own back yard contemplating my life and the universe, bothering nobody else on planet earth.
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 5:58 pm
I have to agree with just about every post here, When law enforcement has to go through 5+ years of medical school, Then I will take there advice and at no other time, People in the medical field make that decision and law enforcment scares those people into making horrible medical choices when they have a safer choice of medication the wont destroy there patients liver.
And above all the People make the laws for law enforcment to uphold not the other way around, When police start acting like the Fedral Goverment you better watch out because your rights that people have faught and died for are being destroyed.
And last but not least, God made Cannabis, Man made beer, who do you trust?
Marijuana was legal and has been legal for 99% of its history with not a single recorded Overdose, The safest drug there is although it is not Harmless no drugs are and the side effects of marijuana are far less phisicly damaging then most legal drugs today even asprin and tylonal dont compare to marijuana but, one needs to ask ones self, Is it right of me the person who is not suffering to determine what is best for the person who is or is it the person who is suffering.
Sorry I needed to add this as well, People need to understand why marijuana is illegal in the first place, when you look at all the reasons it would shock anyone that we still inforce a law that was founded on racism and made illegal by fear and propaganda to line the pockets of paper and textile industry, And these are things that I consider un-American as most do.
We should be beyond this by now, why do we still hold on to things from our past that have done nothing but cause us harm as did prohabition of alcohol.
Comment posted May 14, 2009 @ 12:37 am
I used to listen to the opinions of Jim Backstrom. He used to be on tv, radio and up at the capitol talking about almost everything. However he seems to have disapeared. Recently there was a story about how Mr. Backstrom has been spending his time defending himself against charges that in his role as Dakota County Attorney, he threatened a witness not to testify in a murder trial. I was left to listen to the debate and come to my own conclusions on this issue. Your article highlights the fact from fiction and was consistent with the testimony given in all the hearings I watched. So it’s good that you are providing the facts and allowing Dakota County Attorney the time to concentrate defending himself against charges that he threatened a witness not to testify in a murder trial
Comment posted May 14, 2009 @ 1:29 pm
Too bad that cops are willing to lie on the subject in order to make themselves appear morally superior as a group. Unfortunately that illusion was destroyed a long time ago.
Comment posted May 16, 2009 @ 11:54 am
Tim is strictly “pro-business” on this issue. The business of keeping the for-profit prisons full.
And law enforcement makes a LOOOOOOT of money with forfeiture laws. They don’t want to give that up.
Comment posted May 16, 2009 @ 11:56 am
And besides, if pot were legalized, these cops would have deal with actual criminals, and they’re not too thrilled about actually having to do their job, instead of bust potheads and fill their coffers with confiscated goods.
Comment posted May 17, 2009 @ 12:17 am
As a 20-year-old with severe depression, marijuana has been the greatest thing that has happened to me. I cannot control what my brain tells me to feel normally. I have major chemical imbalances in my brain that cause me to get pissed off easily, get suicidal, and contemplate ending it. But, combined with medication, marijuana chills me out and allows me to live normally for awhile. If it were to be legalized, marijuana could help me lead a more normal life. I know, it sounds wrong. But because it makes me feel good and calm, then I can do all of the things I do anyway, but I don’t flip out all of the time.
Tim Pawlenty, for the good of everyone like me and worse, legalize medical marijuana. You will save lives. You will make lives better. And you will make money. There is no loss for you. Please, legalize marijuana today.
Comment posted May 19, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
Listen to LEAP officers. The only cops that should be listened to are those who have discovered the error of Prohibition. Police officers of the LEAP organization tell the truth about our failed drug laws .
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Content&pid=5
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Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:17 pm
Based on his opinion I’m thinking he has a few people funding his statements. How could you be so stupid as to believe a policeman over a scientist for scientific cannabis data? And why is it possible for one man to veto what the people have voted for? It’s insane.
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