Judge threatens mistrial in Fong Lee case

Sadly, the incident reminds me of the old Cheech & Chong comic routine where a “news anchorperson” reports, “the police officer yelled ‘halt’ and fired six warning shots into the back of the suspect’s head”.

Why shoot the boy eight times? Why not a hundred?

I found Magnuson’s pre-trial rulings on evidence to be strongly biased in favor of the police. This town has a problem with racist cops, and he seems to be one of the protectors of that system. Crappy all around. That the picture WASN’T in as evidence indicates how they’re trying to emasculate the case against the cops now.

Fletcher’s Ramsey County Sheriff’s department is the fiscal agent of the Gang Task Force, which can’t account for ten impounded drug cars. The Minneapolis PD is dropping guns by Hmong kids. Susan Gaertner’s trying protesters for conspiracy. The Senate won’t close Gitmo. This is all the power of the police state, and it’s not giving up easy.

Minn THE LAND OF THE ABROGATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS

FAFOLO!

Que lastima

Base on Magnuson’s action against justice, he will die a slow, painful death to cancer.

the police are wrong for what they did to fong lee. i hope that the world can see that this young man is right and that the family will win. when a person dies anyone can lie and put anything on you and say that the gun is yours. what can you say your already dead the only one that will ever know the truth is fong and he is not here with any of us. its time to let fong rest in peace for once.

First of all I will say that I have respect for those who serve in our legal system and that everyone, them included, should be given the benefit of the doubt. However, the reaction of the appointed Judge in the Fong Lee case, when an actual photo of the scene and the young man shot was displayed without permission, was as much a ridiculous example of excessive power and force as the Officer who did the shooting! Period. Now, I expect this court session to do what it is intended to do and what our country was founded on, which is examine the evidence and perform justice, no matter who it involves because no one is above the law. It appears to be quite easy to support prosecuting any one of us citizens for a wrongful, illegal action, so why not a Police Officer? Also, where is this other Police Officer who accompanied the shooter? Has he been asked by the department to be silent and withhold information about what actually took place? If so, is it to save his career? Don’t we all teach our children that it is more important to be honest when you have made a mistake than it is to lie and cover it up? So, let’s encourage and demand that our Law Enforcement people (we hire) to do the same and then hold them accountable when they do not…including the assisting Officer and the Minneapolis Police Chief. It is the Law and, more importantly, it is simply a matter of responsibility and integrity.
Thank you for the opportunity to express an opinion.

My cousin is innocent. He had no gun in his hand period. So i surely don’t believe the cop story. I view the video online i see no gun in his hand so looks like someone trying to cover up their mistake. Anderson you will not live in peace through out the rest of your life. I hope you will breakdown for what you did to my cousin. He didn’t deserve to died like that. To the Ancestor in our culture i pray to you please don’t let Anderson live in peace or the next time he will kill innocent people again. To my cousin R.I.P see you in the next life. May you go in peace we all will fight for justice for you.

It is sad that people are so emotional about this they are willfully ignoring the facts. The shoot was justified, plain and simple. There is simply no evidence to support the idea that the gun was planted, and firing 8 shots is perfectly reasonable if that is what it takes to subdue a man with a gun (there are many cases where suspects have been shot many more times than just 8 and went on to tell the tale.)

Fong Lee was not innocent. He was a man with a gun running away from the police, and when he pointed that gun towards a cop, he got exactly what he had coming. It is sad, but poor judgment from Fong does not eqaul a racist conspiracy just because he is Hmong and his family can’t cope with the idea that he ALONE is responsible for what lead to his death.

1. The video from the surveillance cameras shown that Fong Lee has NO gun…
- Should you believe the video or the cop?

2. That gun has NO finger prints of Fong Lee…
- Fong Lee wipe out all his finger prints before he died?

3. All-white jury…
- If you think its ok then why not all-Hmong jury?

WARNING!
The world is whatching YOU!

V8L, learn something about forensics instead of watching CSI. You think because you can’t see a tiny black .380 caliber gun in a grainy surveillance video it means it isn’t there? The video doesn’t PROVE anything one way or another. Second, you can’t lift latent prints from a heavily textured, like the GRIP of a GUN. As for your “all-white” jury comment, don’t be ridiculous. The Hmong population in the area is small enough that having even ONE Hmong juror in a random sample is statistically unlikely, and an ALL Hmong jury is nearly statistically impossible. Get real.

WARNING: People who know nothing about investigations should learn something about them before sharing an ill-informed, ignorant opinion.

what if Fong happen to be white person, and the cop was Hmong? will the video, the NO fingers prints, All Hmong jury make a deferent?

the white population is 20% in that city…

We r watching YOU!!! (white)

and what if fong was your son, can i just say:

Realist, “learn something about forensics instead of watching CSI. You think because you can’t see a tiny black .380 caliber gun in a grainy surveillance video it means it isn’t there? The video doesn’t PROVE anything one way or another. Second, you can’t lift latent prints from a heavily textured, like the GRIP of a GUN. As for your “all-white” jury comment, don’t be ridiculous. The Hmong population in the area is small enough that having even ONE Hmong juror in a random sample is statistically unlikely, and an ALL Hmong jury is nearly statistically impossible. Get real.”?

remember:
-your son has NO gun
-NO prints on the gun
-7 shots on the head 1 on the back from behinde
-you have a video to proove

As a parrent will you just say “Yah, thanks for killing my son” like what you want Lee family to say… I know the cop will win this case, but they are painting a very urgly picture on your people… this is wat i mean by saying WARNING: The world is watching you!!!

All you have proven is that you are incapable of forming a coherent (or grammatically correct) argument. You keep going on about the fingerprints and the video, without addressing the FACTS.

You reveal the fact that your emotional involvement prevents you from thinking critically.

Remember:
-The idea that the gun was planted is paranoid speculation with NO supporting evidence.
-They couldn’t lift fingerprints because you can NOT get fingerprints from a textured surface like a gun grip.
-8 shots is perfectly reasonable if that is what it takes to subdue a suspect with a gun. Anyone with any knowledge of the law regarding use of deadly force would know this.
-The video doesn’t really support either side, as the quality was too poor to confirm or deny the allegations from either side.

As a parent, I don’t think I will have to worry about any of my children being involved in gangs or running away from the police, or illegally carrying guns. Any child of mine would be smarter than that. I would expect the Lee family to be upset about the death of their son, but blaming the police because of Fong’s poor choices is not fair to the police and their families either. How terrible must it be to be an officer who is forced to defend himself, and then be unfairly labeled a racist and murderer just because the family of the suspect can’t accept the fact that their son was a criminal?

Plus, you assumption that I am white just because I am skeptical about your poorly worded argument just shows what a RACIST you are. I never made any assumptions about your racial background, why are you making them about mine? Pure hypocrisy.

Think you for killing the boy instead of shoot him on the leg…
YOU will win this case
but GOD is watching YOU!

Realist, don’t your (American) judement based on evindence?
And what make you so sure that Fong was carrying a gun? Because the officer said so?
Who ever that is a cop has been programed to tell the truth?

Hey Realist, how do you explain this:

-Fong’s paws was covered with blood, but NO blood on the gun.
(i know you don’t like the finger prints, and the video part since it only sport Lee’s family)

-The gun was inside the police department (stolent department) where officer Anderson works, how do it get to Fong’s body that day?

-After that kind of running, there is NO sweat on the gun.
Fong was using latex gloves?

God is watching YOU!

Shooting someone in the leg when they have a gun pointed at you is ridiculous. Plus, shooting someone in the leg, while they are moving is an almost impossible shot to make, even from a very close distance. Once again, it is clear your are expressing an opinion on a subject which you know nothing about.

As far as whether the cop was being honest or not, it is a lot more plausible that Fong had a gun than any other scenario. Once again, you try to cast doubt on the officer’s story instead of providing real evidence to support your side.

As for the blood, even consider that Fong likely dropped the gun after he was shot, THEN the blood got on his hands while he was lying on the ground bleeding? Blood doesn’t spurt everywhere immediately after getting shot, so it is a perfectly reasonable that no blood would be on a gun that was dropped after the person holding it was shot.

You seem to be saying the gun was in storage at the police department before Fong got it. Do you have any evidence to support that, or is it more baseless, paranoid speculation?

And your comment about “no sweat” being on the gun is ridiculous. First of all, who said there was no sweat on the gun? Second, sweat DRIES and typically doesn’t leave a lot of residue, so you really aren’t making a point, just once again demonstrating that you know nothing about forensics and criminal investigation.

You keep saying God is watching me. God is watching both of us my friend, and you are the one spreading deceit.

Realist:
“There is simply no evidence to support the idea that the gun was planted,”

You saying “there is simply no evidence” does not change the facts. The paranoia around the gun rose from the fact that the gun found had already been in police custody prior to the shooting. I’m sure there is bias mixed with emotions and paranoia, but thats all based on how the police department handled evidence such as the videotape (which was in Andersen’s possession after the shooting) and how the investigation process was conducted.

The video was cropped, according to a former investigator who looked assessed the video as a request from Fox 9 News. The video came from a school camera, which has wider breadth of view, yet in this specific moment caught in tape, the videotape’s view was zoomed in instead.

Since the video was in Andersen’s possession, there could have been tampering to leave out the rest of the scene. In no way was Fong pointing anything at Andersen or anyone else.

By the way, V8L may have bad grammer, but he/she is speaking up about his/her beliefs and thoughts. Don’t ever look down on someone, especially ifjust English may not be their first language.

“All you have proven is that you are incapable of forming a coherent (or grammatically correct) argument. You keep going on about the fingerprints and the video, without addressing the FACTS.”
Realist you are the one in the most denial. V8L may be emotional & have problems with his English but should that bother you? You are proving to be the most ignorant of all.

He’s given you all the FACTS that we know of. Video, no fingerprint, gun in police possession, & 8 gunshots. What are the facts that you are proving??? YOU are the one not providing us ANY facts. You are implying that ALL the evidence is WRONG, everything that has proved someone’s innocence and guilt since forever does not work in this case, really?. EVERYTHING you say is going against everything you are trying to prove. Yeah you say people here are emotional but you are making EXCUSES to prove what you think happened. Seriously, “As for the blood, even consider that Fong likely dropped the gun after he was shot, THEN the blood got on his hands while he was lying on the ground bleeding.” LAME excuse. Boy was shot 8 TIMES. How does your body tell you to not bleed until you’ve been shot 8 times??? Fong was running quite a distance so to not get blood on the gun means he must have dropped it at the 1st or 2nd shot. MEANING the gun should have been nowhere near him. & I dont care what you say about guns being too thick for handprints, evidence says the gun was CLEAN, there’s bound to be some sort of evidence on that..otherwise all those pass cases that have proven people guilty should be re-trialed b/c guns don’t show fingerprint evidence.
About the gun in police possession, shows that you obviously aren’t really informed about the case. WAY too much suspension there on the police’s part and I’m assuming your excuse will be that Fong broke into the police department. Right?

BUT the most outrages that you have said is is that the video proves nothing. I’m sorry, the video PROVES everything. Videos are better evidence than any other kind of evidence. You said “when he pointed the gun at the police” then you go on to say that he doesn’t have a gun in the video b/c he hid it. I’m sorry but yeah I can totally understand Fong or any human being thinking of hiding a gun they have just pointed at cop as they are being chased by the cops. PLUS, did he point the gun at the cops, hide it, and then took it back out as he falls to the ground??? If you believe that happens…you need help.

There’s so much wrong with what you have said. Your claims are groundless. You say
“As far as whether the cop was being honest or not, it is a lot more plausible that Fong had a gun than any other scenario.” — Oh yeah like there aren’t bad cops. . “you cast doubt on the officer’s story instead of providing real evidence to support your side.” this sentence should be reversed. You cast doubt on the victim’s story instead of providing real evidence to support your side. Cops are human beings. They are not people devoid of emotions & discrimination. They are not angels who will fight for justice 24/7. They make mistakes. Get that straight.

I’m just pointing out counter arguments to the common criticisms presented in this case. All any of you are doing is presenting hypothetical conspiracy theories with no actual evidence to back up your claims. Some additional explanation…

A lack of blood or fingerprints on the gun doesn’t prove it was planted. Like I said, there are plausible explanations for this, and if there were not, that cop would be in jail. You can’t lift latent prints from a rough surface like a grip, and a body doesn’t wildly spurt blood everywhere immediately after it has been shot, even it it was 8 times. Stop getting your information about forensic investigation from Hollywood movies and maybe you would understand that. Prints are rarely found on the grips of guns, and blood often doesn’t spray everywhere. Simple facts.

I’ll also point out again, not everything that occurred that evening happened on camera, and what was seen on camera was grainy and inconclusive. Just because you don’t see a gun in Fong’s hand doesn’t mean that it wasn’t there or that it was never pointed at the officer. We are talking about an extremely small gun designed for concealment, a gun that would be hard to see in a high quality video filmed in daylight. There is no surprise that a gun would be hard to see under those circumstances would not be readily visible in a grainy nighttime surveillance tape.

The notion that the gun was ever in police possession is disputed, as I’m sure you already know. And if it had been stolen from storage and planted by the officer as you all are suggesting, maybe there would be some evidence. Once again though, we just have a theory with no actual support.

Lastly, while cops aren’t perfect, there just isn’t any credible evidence to suggest the officer in this case did anything wrong, just paranoid conjecture. I can understand that people are upset that a young man died, but there is NO solid evidence to support the anti-Hmong hate crime conspiracy nonsense you all are pushing. You haven’t presented evidence, just rationalizations. The reality is that Fong was NOT an innocent victim, but a young man who made some very poor decisions, and paid the ultimate price for those bad decisions. The family and supporters of Fong are clearly unable to mentally cope with their loss, so instead of accepting EVIDENCE, they are projecting blame where it does not belong.

It is sad to see people so grief stricken they have detached themselves from reality.

HEY REALIST:
U are all talk. Talk like you know so much about evidence and Forensic. let get real, let me share you a secret, who said forensic can’t lift finger print from guns? to my understanding when it came to forensic, even a tiny piece of toilet paper, yeah, like the toilet paper wiping your ass everyday, it could break the case wide open. now you telling everyone tat you can’t lift finger print off a gun, go back to school and perhaps take more science class. also do research of how guns break case in the history of unsolved murder in the US. or if you don’t want to waste your time then watch true tv forensic science. i hope it will give you a little education through your research and study before you bring out any other forensic comment or evidence. Good Luck.

One last thing REALIST:
” IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY. IT A LIFE THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY UNFAIR.”
” ARE YOU RELATED TO ANDERSON, THE KILLER?”

HEY REALIST:
do you believe in karma?

If they found Fong’s finger prints then the gun is belong to Fong. if not then it’s not Fong’s, how sample it is. but seems like “no finger prints” on the gun then it can’t be an evidence.
if you “can’t see a gun in the video” then the video can’t be an evidence.

When you combine all the evidences, you know the answer already. (Fong can’t clean up his finger print, edit the video, wipe his blood out or the gun… because he is already dead) All the evidences left behinde are the FACTS, the only thing is that Fong has yellow skin, brown eyes, and black hair that’s all.

“8 shots is perfectly reasonable if that is what it takes to subdue a suspect with a gun.”
to kill an unarmed boy you mean? (Please prove that Fong has a gun PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE)

God will not let that officer have a happy life, watch!

If the evidence were so obvious in the favor of V8L, why is it the officer in question is a free man? You can keep crying racist conspiracy, but you have NO EVIDENCE. Just because you can’t clearly see a TINY gun (designed for CONCEALMENT) in a GRAINY, POOR QUALITY surveillance video does not mean it wasn’t there, and just because prints couldn’t be lifted from a TEXTURED SURFACE (the GRIP) doesn’t mean Fong was not holding the gun.

I challenge you all to prove me wrong about lifting prints from a textured surface like a gun GRIP. I’ll bet NONE of you can do it. Of course you can get prints from smooth surfaces like the slide, but no one TOUCHES the slide of a gun, they hold it by the GRIP. You can NOT lift latent prints off a heavily textured surface like a gun grip.

Seriously, it is all of you IGNORANTLY arguing with me that need to take a class and stop watching CSI Miami for you forensic education. I wouldn’t be talking about this stuff if I didn’t have some experience in the area. Seriously, this is like arguing with a five year old that refuses to accept that the sky is blue.

I think this guy shouldn’t even be a judge.
He’s a hater for he don’t know any thing by law.

It’s obvious why the officer in question is a free man. There’s never been a proven case involving a gun planted by law enforcement in the history of the United States. It won’t be easy for Fong’s case to be the first. Although there does seem to exist a lack of evidence on behalf of the victim’s family and representatives, all the police department has as evidence is the word of one man. That very same man has a history of exhibiting racist character. The officer’s record shows him to be the recipient of disciplinary action in response to derogatory racial terms made by him. Though that fact does not prove anything, why not just let teachers who openly joke about raping kids continue teaching our children? I mean, we need teachers right?

Let’s face it. There needs to be social control, and there are powerful people in powerful places to ensure that. That’s why there’s never been a proven case of law enforcement planting guns to clean up their mess. I don’t believe the argument to be of a case of conspiracy to cover up hate crimes against young Hmong men. I believe what the majority of Fong Lee supporters want is justice for all. The assumption that Fong was a no-good gangster who made very bad decisions is purely just that, an assumption. Sure his record may show some minor misconduct, but so does that of the officer in question. So let the labels fly.

It’s true that the evidence to support Fong’s case is perhaps insufficient. That does not go to say that it hasn’t been made that way. However, I am biased in my opinion just like many of my counterparts “undeniably” are. The paranoia of a conspiracy to cover-up the horribly lethal mistakes of one man may very well be. So why believe it without evidence some might say, right? Yet, in a different sense with the same purpose to maintain social control, no one has proven god to exist. So let’s call that paranoia too.

In addition to my opinion on this matter, I’d like to add some facts for those who might believe that Fong murdered himself. The officer in question is being re-questioned about another case where he allegedly planted a gun. Now, we can say that the antics of Fong’s family is giving room for convicted criminals to try and wiggle their way out of trouble. We can also say that their unwavering efforts in the pursuit of justice have inspired others to not let misused authority ruin their lives. Whatever perspective may be taken, let us not forget the consistency of a questionable character. There was the racist remark kept on record, which triggered a disciplinary action and convinces me that it probably wasn’t very slight in nature. There is the ever-so-controversial, yet seemingly hopeless case of Fong Lee. Then now there is the plight of Quenton Williams who claims to have suffered from the actions of this very same officer. Oh, and did I mention that the officer in question has recently been arrested for domestic assault? I mean surely a man of his position, trusted to carry out extremely aggressive police work, awarded the Medal of Valor for his courageous actions in killing a non-worthy gangster who brought death upon himself, now also being questioned in a similar case, and disciplined for a record of racism, would be able to refrain from domestically assaulting one of his fellow citizens whom he is sworn to serve and protect. Now pardon my sarcasm. I do understand the need for aggressive police work. I just think that police officers as public servants sometime loose sight of their job descriptions. If surveillance shows that Fong Lee brought death upon himself, then I guess it is true that Rodney King brought first degree assault to himself too. The officers in that case were found not guilty, and that decision is ridiculous as footage and public reactions have shown. Racial profiling is absolutely a real problem. What’s unacceptable is the failure to acknowledge this problem as innocent people do loose their lives.

REALIST, I WONDER WHO YOU REALLY ARE…… IT’S FUNNY THAT I SEE YOUR REALIST OPINION EVERYWHERE….. LOL… IT’S OKAY TO TRY TO DEFEND ANY PARTY…. BUT I GUESS ONLY FONG AND ANDERSEN WILL REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE GONE WILL REST IN PEACE IT’S THOSE WHO REMAIN, THAT WILL LIVE WITH THE TRUTH TIL DEATH. I GUESS YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT.. PEOPLE LIKE TO OPEN THERE BIG MOUTH AND YAP BLAH BLAH BLAH. BUT IT DOESN’T HURT UNTIL ITS YOU OR SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU. PAIN IS SOME THING THAT THE HUMAN BODY RESPONSE TO IMMEDIATELY (I AM NOT HIGHLY EDUCATED BUT I DROP WHAT I AM DOING WHEN I GET A CRAMP IN MY LEG IMAGINE BULLETS PERICE AT ANY POINT OF YOUR BODY..GET REALIST..), I THINK THAT THE 1ST BULLET WOULD’VE TAKEN FONG DOWN HE WOULD’VE BEEN HURT ENOUGH TO DROP THE GUN (IF HE HAD ONE). ANDERSEN WOULD’VE SEEN THE GUN DROP I MEAN ANDERSEN 1ST SAW THE GUN FROM HIS POTROL CAR WHY WOULD HE NOT SEE IT SLIP OUT OF FONGS HAND (THE GUN WAS FOUND OUT OF RANGE), SO WHY THE NEED FOR THE OTHER SHOTS. OH DUH… THIS IS AMERICAN, THE LAND OF THE FREE FOR THOSE WHO CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE. TAKE OVER PEOPLES LAND, USE PEOPLE AS SLAVES, SLAUGHTER PEOPLE AND USE THE LAW TO GET DIRTY. THE MOST CORRUPTED PEOPLE ARE THOSE WORKING UNDER THE LAW, NOT THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE LAW. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT COPS GETTING TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE CHEST UNLESS YOU ARE A COP…. YOU SEEM TO BE SO KNOWLEDGIBLE OF WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH IN THE LAW… I MEAN OUR HMONG HUNTERS CAN SHOOT AND KILL SQUIARES AND BIRDS AT GAMING, HOW HARD WOULD IT BE FOR A TRAINED COP TO AIM FOR THE LOW PARTS OF A HUMAN BODY. NOT SO HARD UNLESS YOU ARE TRAINED FOR NO MERCY. I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISE IF YOU ARE ANDERSEN OR FRIEND OF HIM. I MEAN WHO TAKES THE TIME TO WRITE THIS SHIT UP IF YOU ARE NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY A CASE LIKE THIS. IF IT WAS A WHITE GANGSTER LIKE BOY RIDING THAT BIKE THAT DAY WOULD ANDERSEN WOULD STILL SHOOT THE BOY LIKE HE DID FONG. BS. WHEN DID A WHITE COP SHOOT AT A GANGSTER LIKE WHITE BOY 8 TIMES. HOW MANY CASES DO YOU KNOW OF? HOW MANY SHOTS IN THE CHEST DOES IT TAKE TO KILL ANY LIVING BEING? PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK SHIT PRETEND RACISTSISUM DOESN’T EXSIT BUT IT STILL RUNS THICK IN AMERICA. PEOPLE WILL BE LIENT ONLY TO THEIR KIND IT NATURAL. FOREVER REST IN PEACE FONG!!!! LIVE IN A COUNTY WHERE YOU ARE A MONORITY AND SEE HOW FAR YOU GET.

OH YAH… THIS IS AMERICA.

this link is for people who want to be a good judge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Zheng

GOD IS WATCHING!!!

Sure is america…….where nothing is free especially if you beg for it, even if it was yours to begin with.

I am Fong’s cousin, as you can see my name is also Fong. I just want to say to you Realist, that I hope God spares you and that he might forgive you for your evil thoughts. The cop obviously shot my cousin. He even beat up his girlfriend after that, and was fired from the police department. Even now he is trying to sue the department for his job back. The cheif of the department had even commented that ” Sometimes Andersen went overboard with his job…”. I think that you have too hard of a heart. May God forgive you.