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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/35560/advocates-call-anti-bullying-veto-a-lost-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-36710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, Tim Paulenty has never personally experienced harassment or bullying while attending school.  The pain and anguish a child goes through is something that should have far more attention than someone&#039;s else&#039;s hidden personal agenda (ie: the presidency???).  As a mother of a child who has experienced teasing and bullying due to her ADHD, I want to say, &quot;Shame on you, Tim!&quot;  You will never have to experience this with your own children because you are the governor, and yours will always have preferential treatment.  I will never vote for you for any further political advancements that you are planning for.  Since you&#039;re leaving the governor&#039;s office, don&#039;t let the door hit you in the rear!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, Tim Paulenty has never personally experienced harassment or bullying while attending school.  The pain and anguish a child goes through is something that should have far more attention than someone&#8217;s else&#8217;s hidden personal agenda (ie: the presidency???).  As a mother of a child who has experienced teasing and bullying due to her ADHD, I want to say, &#8220;Shame on you, Tim!&#8221;  You will never have to experience this with your own children because you are the governor, and yours will always have preferential treatment.  I will never vote for you for any further political advancements that you are planning for.  Since you&#8217;re leaving the governor&#8217;s office, don&#8217;t let the door hit you in the rear!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit of tangent, but I do agree that public schools are failing.  I&#039;m going to look at the national budget as a pretty good indicator for that though.

Come to a Saints game we&#039;ll talk more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit of tangent, but I do agree that public schools are failing.  I&#8217;m going to look at the national budget as a pretty good indicator for that though.</p>
<p>Come to a Saints game we&#8217;ll talk more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Murray

If you read my post you could note that no child would be left behind because of their parents financial stupidity. Parents who couldn&#039;t afford it would get loans to be paid based on ability to pay. If they didn&#039;t pay the government (we the people) would still be on the hook. You could argue that rich people would get better schools but that&#039;s already the case. I think it&#039;s funny how everybody thinks they have a right to this or that. If you don&#039;t like something the government isn&#039;t doing it&#039;s job. Why don&#039;t you just have a government agent make sure you&#039;re brushing properly at night, or stand over your shoulder to make sure you recycle your garbage. I was picked on daily in elementary school because I had long hair. In high school I was picked on by jocks because I was a dirty headbanger. Big deal who cares! Ultimately it&#039;s up to parents to stop bullying and explain it&#039;s not right. Take some darned responsibility. If your kid is gay, minority, or unique in any way, you must explain to them that they will be made fun of by people that are ignorant and don&#039;t understand. It&#039;s part of life. How do you think a person would respond to criticism in the workplace if they&#039;ve lived in a padded eggshell their whole life? I&#039;ve seen it, adults breaking down and crying at work, pathetic. It&#039;s a free country, if somebody doesn&#039;t like something they can say what they want, even mean things. You can try all you want to make the government legislate human behavior, it won&#039;t work (in the long run) and it shouldn&#039;t either. When you buy a car you do research, when you buy a house you inspect and research the neighborhood, when you buy a new computer, TV, or fridge, you research and make comparisons, so why should we accept that schools should be any different, isn&#039;t your kids education more important than anything else? Should it not be your duty to inspect, compare, and choose schools? I think it&#039;s hilarious that many parents think, well I live in this neighborhood, my kid has to go to this school, has to learn what the government thinks is best. I&#039;m just going to trust some people I&#039;ve never or barely met to teach my kids values, facts, and shape their opinions, because they know better than me. Wake up America. Public schools are failing. The reason is lack of imagination on our part and depending on the government to make choices for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Murray</p>
<p>If you read my post you could note that no child would be left behind because of their parents financial stupidity. Parents who couldn&#8217;t afford it would get loans to be paid based on ability to pay. If they didn&#8217;t pay the government (we the people) would still be on the hook. You could argue that rich people would get better schools but that&#8217;s already the case. I think it&#8217;s funny how everybody thinks they have a right to this or that. If you don&#8217;t like something the government isn&#8217;t doing it&#8217;s job. Why don&#8217;t you just have a government agent make sure you&#8217;re brushing properly at night, or stand over your shoulder to make sure you recycle your garbage. I was picked on daily in elementary school because I had long hair. In high school I was picked on by jocks because I was a dirty headbanger. Big deal who cares! Ultimately it&#8217;s up to parents to stop bullying and explain it&#8217;s not right. Take some darned responsibility. If your kid is gay, minority, or unique in any way, you must explain to them that they will be made fun of by people that are ignorant and don&#8217;t understand. It&#8217;s part of life. How do you think a person would respond to criticism in the workplace if they&#8217;ve lived in a padded eggshell their whole life? I&#8217;ve seen it, adults breaking down and crying at work, pathetic. It&#8217;s a free country, if somebody doesn&#8217;t like something they can say what they want, even mean things. You can try all you want to make the government legislate human behavior, it won&#8217;t work (in the long run) and it shouldn&#8217;t either. When you buy a car you do research, when you buy a house you inspect and research the neighborhood, when you buy a new computer, TV, or fridge, you research and make comparisons, so why should we accept that schools should be any different, isn&#8217;t your kids education more important than anything else? Should it not be your duty to inspect, compare, and choose schools? I think it&#8217;s hilarious that many parents think, well I live in this neighborhood, my kid has to go to this school, has to learn what the government thinks is best. I&#8217;m just going to trust some people I&#8217;ve never or barely met to teach my kids values, facts, and shape their opinions, because they know better than me. Wake up America. Public schools are failing. The reason is lack of imagination on our part and depending on the government to make choices for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to see that things like this are still even being debated in Minnesota as if they are even controversial issues.  I always thought Minnesota was more liberal than Iowa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to see that things like this are still even being debated in Minnesota as if they are even controversial issues.  I always thought Minnesota was more liberal than Iowa.</p>
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		<title>By: Below the Fold &#8212; May 26, 2009 &#171; Inclusiondaily&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/35560/advocates-call-anti-bullying-veto-a-lost-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-31466</link>
		<dc:creator>Below the Fold &#8212; May 26, 2009 &#171; Inclusiondaily&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 08:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Snowman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Eric Meyers: &quot;willful ‘wedge issue’ designed solely to attack and discredit&quot;

Sorry, dude.  As a person who endured lots of gay-based harassment in schools, I can assure you this bill was intended to protect kids, not to be a &#039;wedge.&#039;

It is not safe for many kids - gay or not - look at the 12 y.o. in Masschussets who hung himself dead because of out of control bullying of him.  At 12, who knows if he was going to turn out gay.  But hwe was &quot;perceived&quot; as being gay, so he was hounded till he took his own life in desperation.

that is not a wedge issue.  That is but one extreme example of how bullying damages lives and whole families.  His mom on Oprah was just devastating recently.  Heartbreaking.

Pawlenty could have heeded the BIPARTISAN (yes, dude, that also disproves your &#039;wedge&#039; canard) support of the MN Lege and done the right thing.  Instead the did the right-wing thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Eric Meyers: &#8220;willful ‘wedge issue’ designed solely to attack and discredit&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, dude.  As a person who endured lots of gay-based harassment in schools, I can assure you this bill was intended to protect kids, not to be a &#8216;wedge.&#8217;</p>
<p>It is not safe for many kids &#8211; gay or not &#8211; look at the 12 y.o. in Masschussets who hung himself dead because of out of control bullying of him.  At 12, who knows if he was going to turn out gay.  But hwe was &#8220;perceived&#8221; as being gay, so he was hounded till he took his own life in desperation.</p>
<p>that is not a wedge issue.  That is but one extreme example of how bullying damages lives and whole families.  His mom on Oprah was just devastating recently.  Heartbreaking.</p>
<p>Pawlenty could have heeded the BIPARTISAN (yes, dude, that also disproves your &#8216;wedge&#8217; canard) support of the MN Lege and done the right thing.  Instead the did the right-wing thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowman</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/35560/advocates-call-anti-bullying-veto-a-lost-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-31457</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to MinnPost, the Governor negotiated in bad faith.  The Lege gave him esactly the bill he asked for...then he vetoed it.

This man has no scruples and negotiates with the intent to veto.

Next session, no one in their right mind should negotiate with this man on anything!  He lies about his intentions and is a total my-way-or-the-highway person.

Cant&#039; talk to a brick wall -- SO DON&#039;T!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to MinnPost, the Governor negotiated in bad faith.  The Lege gave him esactly the bill he asked for&#8230;then he vetoed it.</p>
<p>This man has no scruples and negotiates with the intent to veto.</p>
<p>Next session, no one in their right mind should negotiate with this man on anything!  He lies about his intentions and is a total my-way-or-the-highway person.</p>
<p>Cant&#8217; talk to a brick wall &#8212; SO DON&#8217;T!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lazercat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By definition, the “special protected classes” being thrown to the Neanderthals is the essence of bullying. 

Christians and their obsession with gay people is by definition bullying too.  And by their actions, they are anything but Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By definition, the “special protected classes” being thrown to the Neanderthals is the essence of bullying. </p>
<p>Christians and their obsession with gay people is by definition bullying too.  And by their actions, they are anything but Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Murray</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/35560/advocates-call-anti-bullying-veto-a-lost-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-31443</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

School should not be privatized, it should not be a privilege.  It should be a public good.  A right to everyone.  And in the middle of a recession/depression it isn&#039;t too applicable to tell people that because they don&#039;t have enough money to send their children to a private school that they shouldn&#039;t have had children in the first place.  Privatizing everything is not the answer.  I&#039;m not sure why this is so hard to comprehend for people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>School should not be privatized, it should not be a privilege.  It should be a public good.  A right to everyone.  And in the middle of a recession/depression it isn&#8217;t too applicable to tell people that because they don&#8217;t have enough money to send their children to a private school that they shouldn&#8217;t have had children in the first place.  Privatizing everything is not the answer.  I&#8217;m not sure why this is so hard to comprehend for people.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Myers</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/35560/advocates-call-anti-bullying-veto-a-lost-opportunity/comment-page-1#comment-31439</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawlenty simply vetoed the bill because he didn&#039;t want to give out new &quot;special protected class&quot; status. He is not pro-bullying. He simply doesn&#039;t want to construct additional protected classes. There is an argument to be made that a special class protection undermines attempts to actually combat bullying. Schools already have anti-bullying policies.

If Safe Schools for All Coalition was truly interested in a meaningful and effective piece of anti-bullying legislation they would have left the politics (both sides) of &quot;special protected classes&quot; out of the equation.

Feel free to blame Pawlenty for pandering to the Right but make sure you ignore the construction of this type a legislation as a willful &#039;wedge issue&#039; designed solely to attack and discredit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawlenty simply vetoed the bill because he didn&#8217;t want to give out new &#8220;special protected class&#8221; status. He is not pro-bullying. He simply doesn&#8217;t want to construct additional protected classes. There is an argument to be made that a special class protection undermines attempts to actually combat bullying. Schools already have anti-bullying policies.</p>
<p>If Safe Schools for All Coalition was truly interested in a meaningful and effective piece of anti-bullying legislation they would have left the politics (both sides) of &#8220;special protected classes&#8221; out of the equation.</p>
<p>Feel free to blame Pawlenty for pandering to the Right but make sure you ignore the construction of this type a legislation as a willful &#8216;wedge issue&#8217; designed solely to attack and discredit.</p>
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