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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I abso-freaking-lutely LOVE that, funny, hilarious, yet a little sad at the same time, because it&#039;s so freaking true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I abso-freaking-lutely LOVE that, funny, hilarious, yet a little sad at the same time, because it&#8217;s so freaking true!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, let&#039;s just cut to the chase.  Mrs. Betty Bowers explains it all perfectly here:  http://bettybowers.com/bibleinterpretation.html .

And that&#039;s all you need to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, let&#8217;s just cut to the chase.  Mrs. Betty Bowers explains it all perfectly here:  <a href="http://bettybowers.com/bibleinterpretation.html" rel="nofollow">http://bettybowers.com/bibleinterpretation.html</a> .</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s all you need to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Stumbled upon this thread, only to find Dave and Doc having a Matelin/Carville-style across-the-aisle love-in (I guess with John, it&#039;s something of a three-way). You guys won&#039;t convince each other of the righteousness of your cause. So why don&#039;t you just arrange to grab a beer together and consummate your animosity instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Stumbled upon this thread, only to find Dave and Doc having a Matelin/Carville-style across-the-aisle love-in (I guess with John, it&#8217;s something of a three-way). You guys won&#8217;t convince each other of the righteousness of your cause. So why don&#8217;t you just arrange to grab a beer together and consummate your animosity instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: 

You have been deceived. You are blind to the truth. You may call me narrow minded but you are not even willing to consider the possibility of the existence of God and are not willing to consider the claims of Christianity. Yet somehow you believe yourself to be so &quot;open minded&quot;. Regardless, being narrow minded is another word for discernment. You should be a little more discerning rather than accepting things as fact without any evidence, such as evolution. You can lie to yourself and say you answered the question but you know you didn&#039;t. You danced around it and began trying to change the topic. It was a simple &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; question. But it appears you are incapable of basic honesty. You tucked your tail between your legs and ran unwilling to answer questions that would reveal your dishonesty and lack of discernment. If you had a Christian background then did you ever know the Lord? I doubt that is a question you will ever answer either. It appears you like to dish it out but don&#039;t have the courage to take it. I was at least man enough to answer your questions and take your mockery and insults. Buy when I ask you a simple question you tuck tail and run. What does that make you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: </p>
<p>You have been deceived. You are blind to the truth. You may call me narrow minded but you are not even willing to consider the possibility of the existence of God and are not willing to consider the claims of Christianity. Yet somehow you believe yourself to be so &#8220;open minded&#8221;. Regardless, being narrow minded is another word for discernment. You should be a little more discerning rather than accepting things as fact without any evidence, such as evolution. You can lie to yourself and say you answered the question but you know you didn&#8217;t. You danced around it and began trying to change the topic. It was a simple &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221; question. But it appears you are incapable of basic honesty. You tucked your tail between your legs and ran unwilling to answer questions that would reveal your dishonesty and lack of discernment. If you had a Christian background then did you ever know the Lord? I doubt that is a question you will ever answer either. It appears you like to dish it out but don&#8217;t have the courage to take it. I was at least man enough to answer your questions and take your mockery and insults. Buy when I ask you a simple question you tuck tail and run. What does that make you?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc

I actually went to school at The Summit Ministries in Manitow Springs CO.  From 1st-6th grade I went to a  biblical grade school called Victory Academy.  I was told all the stuff that you are saying, it&#039;s nothing new to me.  I soon realized that the people that were lying to me were all my teachers.  I am not going to run and hide with my tail between my legs.  I have had these discusions before.  It is pointless.  I say you are narrow minded because you are.  Thank you and have a nice day.  And yes I did answer your questions, I just did not give the answer you wanted me to give.  I will no linger look at this page.  You may ridicule me all you want but it will do no good.  It will only make you less of a man.  If you are Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc</p>
<p>I actually went to school at The Summit Ministries in Manitow Springs CO.  From 1st-6th grade I went to a  biblical grade school called Victory Academy.  I was told all the stuff that you are saying, it&#8217;s nothing new to me.  I soon realized that the people that were lying to me were all my teachers.  I am not going to run and hide with my tail between my legs.  I have had these discusions before.  It is pointless.  I say you are narrow minded because you are.  Thank you and have a nice day.  And yes I did answer your questions, I just did not give the answer you wanted me to give.  I will no linger look at this page.  You may ridicule me all you want but it will do no good.  It will only make you less of a man.  If you are Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

???????</description>
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<p>???????</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dance, Doc, Dance!</description>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

&quot;Now murder and rape ae punishable by law in most countries. Lying, cheating, and stealing are a whole different story.&quot;

Ah, you did not answer the questions. I am asking you, John, if murder, rape, lying, cheating, stealing are wrong? It is really a simple &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; question. IO am not asking what is &quot;punishable by law in most countries&quot;.   

&quot;Are you talking about the lies that Ted Haggard told his congregation every week? Or the lies that Bush and Cheny told that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people? Now I am confused, he said he talked to god, so did god tell him to kill the innocent or to lie to the America public? What type of cheating? Jim Bakker cheated on his wife but also cheated his congregation out of millions of dollars. I suppose that could be listed under stealing as well.&quot;

Are you saying those things were wrong? Interesting how rather than answering the questions you avoid them by changing the subject or trying to somehow turn the tables to try a little misdirection. Seriously, my question to you was sincere and genuine. I am interested to know if you believe those things are wrong. I answered your questions. Please pay me the compliment by answering mine.

&quot;I am not going to get into a discusion on the philosophies of life with someone as narrow minded as you are.&quot;

So, when the rubber meets the road you tuck tail and run? When the questions are turned around you can&#039;t take the heat. Very telling. That says a lot. Maybe it would behoove you to be a little more &quot;narrow minded&quot; rather than accepting any and all lies that are fed to you. You claim I am narrow minded as if you are somehow someone who is so &quot;open minded&quot;. Yeah, right. You are open minded as long as it doesn&#039;t have to do with God or Christianity. How is that being &quot;open minded&quot;? I thought that when we got to some of the core issues you would &quot;tuck tail and run&quot;. You didn&#039;t disappoint. Not very open minded but not surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now murder and rape ae punishable by law in most countries. Lying, cheating, and stealing are a whole different story.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, you did not answer the questions. I am asking you, John, if murder, rape, lying, cheating, stealing are wrong? It is really a simple &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no&#8221; question. IO am not asking what is &#8220;punishable by law in most countries&#8221;.   </p>
<p>&#8220;Are you talking about the lies that Ted Haggard told his congregation every week? Or the lies that Bush and Cheny told that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people? Now I am confused, he said he talked to god, so did god tell him to kill the innocent or to lie to the America public? What type of cheating? Jim Bakker cheated on his wife but also cheated his congregation out of millions of dollars. I suppose that could be listed under stealing as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying those things were wrong? Interesting how rather than answering the questions you avoid them by changing the subject or trying to somehow turn the tables to try a little misdirection. Seriously, my question to you was sincere and genuine. I am interested to know if you believe those things are wrong. I answered your questions. Please pay me the compliment by answering mine.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am not going to get into a discusion on the philosophies of life with someone as narrow minded as you are.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, when the rubber meets the road you tuck tail and run? When the questions are turned around you can&#8217;t take the heat. Very telling. That says a lot. Maybe it would behoove you to be a little more &#8220;narrow minded&#8221; rather than accepting any and all lies that are fed to you. You claim I am narrow minded as if you are somehow someone who is so &#8220;open minded&#8221;. Yeah, right. You are open minded as long as it doesn&#8217;t have to do with God or Christianity. How is that being &#8220;open minded&#8221;? I thought that when we got to some of the core issues you would &#8220;tuck tail and run&#8221;. You didn&#8217;t disappoint. Not very open minded but not surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

&quot;no failure involved Doc. I don’t remember posting anything about it. Maybe you have me confused with someone else. I don’t remember posting that gawd does not exist, either. Maybe I posted something which, in your world, means the same thing, but I can’t be responsible for misinterpretations.&quot;

Are you saying God does indeed exist? Speak clearly then. You know, so there are no &quot;misinterpretations&quot;. Or are you not capable of doing that? Speaking clearly, that is. You like to dance around the issues and play semantics with your words but that only serves to demonstrate your lack of honesty or your unwillingness to admit the truth.

&quot;You know, earlier Doc posted this: “I love science and am in the scientific field.” If that was remotely true, you would not be asking those questions. At least science, in general, corrects itself over time. With the Werd of Gawd, that’s not possible, is it?&quot;

So if you love something that means you are blind to the truth of its failures and shortcomings? That&#039;s called &quot;not living in reality&quot;. Science, in general, corrects itself over time because it has to. Because it makes mistakes and gets things wrong and misinterprets data. That is because scientists are human. The word of God doesn&#039;t not have to correct itself because God is never wrong. God is the source of all truth. And when I say God I do not mean &quot;religion&quot;. Those are not the same things.  

&quot;If you prefer a life where the scientific (or whatever) conclusions can only support and not conflict with the Werd of Gawd, and no other answer is possible, that’s fine. Good for you, if it makes you happy. Life is a lot bigger than scientific or spiritual questions, anyway. I just don’t think that’s being honest with yourself, or to others. Most people deserve better than that.&quot;

What you again fail to understand is that Christianity and science are not in oppossition. Science confirms and corroborates the scriptures in many ways. I agree life is a lot bigger than scientific questions (which has been my point from the beginning) but how can anything be bigger than God? I have been honest with myself. That is why I can admit that I have done wrong. I have sinned. I have lied, I have stolen, I have committed adultery, I have lusted, I have dishonored God and dishonored my parents. I have broken God&#039;s Laws. I was honest enough with myself to realize that and see my need for forgiveness. If you would be honest with yourself you would admit the same. But most likely you are like so many whose pride will not allow them to &quot;be honest with themselves&quot;. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that the world around us screams about the existence of God without saying a word. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that it is impossible for nothing to have created everything and that the existence of God is logical and reasonable and the only viable conclusion to our existence. And this God is rich in love and mercy and has provided a way for the sins of the world to be forgiven through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for everyone who believes and puts their faith/trust in Jesus. Otherwise you are left in your sins and will have to face a Holy and Just God upon your death.

(By the way, I think the spell-checker on your computer is broken. It keeps mispelling &quot;Word&quot; and &quot;God&quot;. You should have that fixed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>&#8220;no failure involved Doc. I don’t remember posting anything about it. Maybe you have me confused with someone else. I don’t remember posting that gawd does not exist, either. Maybe I posted something which, in your world, means the same thing, but I can’t be responsible for misinterpretations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying God does indeed exist? Speak clearly then. You know, so there are no &#8220;misinterpretations&#8221;. Or are you not capable of doing that? Speaking clearly, that is. You like to dance around the issues and play semantics with your words but that only serves to demonstrate your lack of honesty or your unwillingness to admit the truth.</p>
<p>&#8220;You know, earlier Doc posted this: “I love science and am in the scientific field.” If that was remotely true, you would not be asking those questions. At least science, in general, corrects itself over time. With the Werd of Gawd, that’s not possible, is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>So if you love something that means you are blind to the truth of its failures and shortcomings? That&#8217;s called &#8220;not living in reality&#8221;. Science, in general, corrects itself over time because it has to. Because it makes mistakes and gets things wrong and misinterprets data. That is because scientists are human. The word of God doesn&#8217;t not have to correct itself because God is never wrong. God is the source of all truth. And when I say God I do not mean &#8220;religion&#8221;. Those are not the same things.  </p>
<p>&#8220;If you prefer a life where the scientific (or whatever) conclusions can only support and not conflict with the Werd of Gawd, and no other answer is possible, that’s fine. Good for you, if it makes you happy. Life is a lot bigger than scientific or spiritual questions, anyway. I just don’t think that’s being honest with yourself, or to others. Most people deserve better than that.&#8221;</p>
<p>What you again fail to understand is that Christianity and science are not in oppossition. Science confirms and corroborates the scriptures in many ways. I agree life is a lot bigger than scientific questions (which has been my point from the beginning) but how can anything be bigger than God? I have been honest with myself. That is why I can admit that I have done wrong. I have sinned. I have lied, I have stolen, I have committed adultery, I have lusted, I have dishonored God and dishonored my parents. I have broken God&#8217;s Laws. I was honest enough with myself to realize that and see my need for forgiveness. If you would be honest with yourself you would admit the same. But most likely you are like so many whose pride will not allow them to &#8220;be honest with themselves&#8221;. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that the world around us screams about the existence of God without saying a word. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that it is impossible for nothing to have created everything and that the existence of God is logical and reasonable and the only viable conclusion to our existence. And this God is rich in love and mercy and has provided a way for the sins of the world to be forgiven through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for everyone who believes and puts their faith/trust in Jesus. Otherwise you are left in your sins and will have to face a Holy and Just God upon your death.</p>
<p>(By the way, I think the spell-checker on your computer is broken. It keeps mispelling &#8220;Word&#8221; and &#8220;God&#8221;. You should have that fixed.)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave 

This is also for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_genesis
Have a great day.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave </p>
<p>This is also for you.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_genesis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_genesis</a><br />
Have a great day.</p>
<p>John</p>
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