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	<title>Comments on: Kline: Court should declare &#8216;no winner&#8217; in Coleman-Franken election</title>
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		<title>By: M. Sutter</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/38057/kline-coleman-franken/comment-page-1#comment-33062</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Sutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statement: &quot;I would like to know why the MN supreme court would make a ruling knowing there were more votes cast in this election than eligable voters.&quot;

Where did you get this? Even Colemans&#039;s sharp legal team never made this claim (read their briefs). Coleman received 1,212,206 votes, Franken received 1,212,431 votes (after the recount)plus minor candidate votes of 437404 for Barkley, 13916 for Aldrich, 8905 for Neimackl, and 2340 write-in vote for a total of 2,887,202 votes cast (source for minor candidates -the Minnesota state canvassing board). Total registered Minnesota voters as of 10/27/08? 3,199,134. (source, Minnesota secretary of state). Those numbers indicate that there were 311,932 MORE eligible voters than votes cast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statement: &#8220;I would like to know why the MN supreme court would make a ruling knowing there were more votes cast in this election than eligable voters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where did you get this? Even Colemans&#8217;s sharp legal team never made this claim (read their briefs). Coleman received 1,212,206 votes, Franken received 1,212,431 votes (after the recount)plus minor candidate votes of 437404 for Barkley, 13916 for Aldrich, 8905 for Neimackl, and 2340 write-in vote for a total of 2,887,202 votes cast (source for minor candidates -the Minnesota state canvassing board). Total registered Minnesota voters as of 10/27/08? 3,199,134. (source, Minnesota secretary of state). Those numbers indicate that there were 311,932 MORE eligible voters than votes cast.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve P</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/38057/kline-coleman-franken/comment-page-1#comment-33030</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just reading all these comments, I can see how these people are so tolerant of others. I would like to know why the MN supreme court would make a ruling knowing there were more votes cast in this election than eligable voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reading all these comments, I can see how these people are so tolerant of others. I would like to know why the MN supreme court would make a ruling knowing there were more votes cast in this election than eligable voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesota Central</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/38057/kline-coleman-franken/comment-page-1#comment-33014</link>
		<dc:creator>Minnesota Central</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read his comments carefully ... Kline is encouraging Coleman to continue his appeal, yet his suggested solution is a new election.  

Is Kline proposing a 2010 Senate in which he would be the Republican nominee  ?

Look at the numbers, Coleman did not lose by 312 votes ... he lost by 63,209 .. as that many McCain voters decided that Coleman did not represent their views.

Compare Kline and Coleman.  Coleman was Minnesota&#039;s leading user of earmarks; something that Kline wants ended.  Coleman supported SCHIP while Kline opposed it.  Coleman opposed drilling in ANWR which Kline supported.  There are others (climate change, fuel efficiency, immigration), but remember the last critical vote before the election was TARP (or the bank bailout) - Coleman voted for it; Kline opposed it.  Too many people have forgotten why Coleman lost.  

The GOP is happy that Minnesota does not have a second Senator ... a RINO that might break along the lines of Snowe, Collins, etc is not what they want ... but John Kline is the loyal soldier that they would welcome with open arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read his comments carefully &#8230; Kline is encouraging Coleman to continue his appeal, yet his suggested solution is a new election.  </p>
<p>Is Kline proposing a 2010 Senate in which he would be the Republican nominee  ?</p>
<p>Look at the numbers, Coleman did not lose by 312 votes &#8230; he lost by 63,209 .. as that many McCain voters decided that Coleman did not represent their views.</p>
<p>Compare Kline and Coleman.  Coleman was Minnesota&#8217;s leading user of earmarks; something that Kline wants ended.  Coleman supported SCHIP while Kline opposed it.  Coleman opposed drilling in ANWR which Kline supported.  There are others (climate change, fuel efficiency, immigration), but remember the last critical vote before the election was TARP (or the bank bailout) &#8211; Coleman voted for it; Kline opposed it.  Too many people have forgotten why Coleman lost.  </p>
<p>The GOP is happy that Minnesota does not have a second Senator &#8230; a RINO that might break along the lines of Snowe, Collins, etc is not what they want &#8230; but John Kline is the loyal soldier that they would welcome with open arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Logician</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kline wants to change the law so that a winner in an election can be declared only if the winning margin is greater than or equal to x votes. But he has not told us what x is (other than that he wants x &gt; 315). Please be more specific Mr. Kline. The bigger you take x to be, the more disputed elections you will have. Logic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kline wants to change the law so that a winner in an election can be declared only if the winning margin is greater than or equal to x votes. But he has not told us what x is (other than that he wants x &gt; 315). Please be more specific Mr. Kline. The bigger you take x to be, the more disputed elections you will have. Logic?</p>
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		<title>By: tedb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tedb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  Michelle Bachmann must have the day off.  Lucky she has backup in the stupid department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Michelle Bachmann must have the day off.  Lucky she has backup in the stupid department.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/38057/kline-coleman-franken/comment-page-1#comment-32979</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe what Minnesota needs is an Iranian decider for quick election results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe what Minnesota needs is an Iranian decider for quick election results.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Sutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Sutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know!! 
Political
Legitimacy
Truman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know!!<br />
Political<br />
Legitimacy<br />
Truman</p>
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		<title>By: M. Sutter</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/38057/kline-coleman-franken/comment-page-1#comment-32973</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Sutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a solution that should satify Rep. Kline&#039;s deeply held polital beliefs of judicial strict constructionism and trust in the constitution:

1.  The Minnesota Supreme court rules that the laws of Minnesota re the election and recount process have been followed (none of this judicial activism and meddling into issues of US constitutional law such as the equal treatment clause -the proper forum for that, after all, is in the Federal courts).

2. The court further rules that under Minnesota law, that the govenor&#039;s duty is to issue an election certificate for the recount winner

3. The Senate, under it&#039;s constitutional powers to determine the qualifications  of its members, duly deliberates and determines the person to be seated as the second Senator from Minnesota (based on tradition and perhaps even taking into account the various twists and turns of the Minnesota election process).

4. Minnesota gets its second Senator!

This scenario is all above board and in strict adherance to Minnesota law and the constitution (as to opposed &quot;making law&quot; and having the Governor appoint the Senator). The other issues such as uncertainty in the minds of the people as to &quot;who really won&quot; are a bit of a stretch. The electoral college, not the popular vote count, determines the President.  Has there really been a question in the minds of most Americans about the legitmacy of our recent minority popular vote (less than 50% of total votes cast)presidents (Trumen, Kennedy, Nixon, 1st term Bush) who were elected by a majority of the electoral college.
vote?

I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a solution that should satify Rep. Kline&#8217;s deeply held polital beliefs of judicial strict constructionism and trust in the constitution:</p>
<p>1.  The Minnesota Supreme court rules that the laws of Minnesota re the election and recount process have been followed (none of this judicial activism and meddling into issues of US constitutional law such as the equal treatment clause -the proper forum for that, after all, is in the Federal courts).</p>
<p>2. The court further rules that under Minnesota law, that the govenor&#8217;s duty is to issue an election certificate for the recount winner</p>
<p>3. The Senate, under it&#8217;s constitutional powers to determine the qualifications  of its members, duly deliberates and determines the person to be seated as the second Senator from Minnesota (based on tradition and perhaps even taking into account the various twists and turns of the Minnesota election process).</p>
<p>4. Minnesota gets its second Senator!</p>
<p>This scenario is all above board and in strict adherance to Minnesota law and the constitution (as to opposed &#8220;making law&#8221; and having the Governor appoint the Senator). The other issues such as uncertainty in the minds of the people as to &#8220;who really won&#8221; are a bit of a stretch. The electoral college, not the popular vote count, determines the President.  Has there really been a question in the minds of most Americans about the legitmacy of our recent minority popular vote (less than 50% of total votes cast)presidents (Trumen, Kennedy, Nixon, 1st term Bush) who were elected by a majority of the electoral college.<br />
vote?</p>
<p>I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: Reggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the Minnesotan&#039;s have elected Rep. Kline as a lawmaker, but do they really support him making up laws as he goes along on his own.  I think Rep. Kline would be better suited as a dictator where he could make laws he wants whenever the situation arises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the Minnesotan&#8217;s have elected Rep. Kline as a lawmaker, but do they really support him making up laws as he goes along on his own.  I think Rep. Kline would be better suited as a dictator where he could make laws he wants whenever the situation arises.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Joe should relocated to China or Iran.  Clearly he has lost the idea of our form of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Joe should relocated to China or Iran.  Clearly he has lost the idea of our form of government.</p>
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