What isn’t Bachmann telling us about Obama’s birth certificate?

If ever anyone who isn’t a sycophant gets to ask Bachmann a question, ask her to denounce the birthers. If she does, the crazy wing of the Republican Party will come apart.

As for the non-crazy wing, um, I’m sure I saw them somewhere…

What is the proof that Barack Obama was born in the USA?

I’ve never seen any, and so far he’s refused to produce any in court, has sealed all of his school records, and he and his sister have named two different Hawaii hospitals as his birthplace.

This isn’t a partisan matter. If Obama is disqualified, Joe Biden will carry on his program on behalf of the Democratic party.

No one doubts that the Democrats won the 2008 election. But it’s become increasingly doubtful that Democrats believe in the rule of law under the U.S. Constitution.

Doug S:
A few facts from this story’s first link, FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania:

“The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.”

“Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.”

“In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961.”

For what it’s worth, Snopes calls the Birthers’ claims about a forged Obama birth certificate “false.”

HERE IS HIS LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE?????????????

JUST SHOW IT

It’s Official! Hawaii never issued Obama’s 2007 Certification of Live Birth

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2009/07/14/its_official!_hawaii_never_issued_obamas_2007_certification_of_live_birth.thtml

“But, the real killer of this birth certificate scam is that Hawaii never made a 2007 Certification of Live Birth for Obama, never issued a 2007 COLB for Obama, and never confirmed anything about this bogus 2007 COLB that Obama, his staff, and Factcheck have insisted is a real document. ”

I asked Dr. Onaka if the COLBs are stamped using a machine or by hand. He said, “Both.” Hawaii uses a machine that applies the Seal and stamps electronically and simultaneously. That’s why they appear to be placed in the same position, from year to year – except in years where the large Seal design is used. He said that they use a desktop Seal embosser, similar to what notaries use, but much longer, so as to place the Seal higher up on the paper.

I asked him, “Why is the border on 2007 COLB different from the 2008 COLB, why is the Seal larger, and why is your signature stamp located off to the side instead of directly under the Seal? He told me that they alternate the Seal design and border design, and when the Seal (the larger one) doesn’t leave enough room to place the signature stamp below it, it’s put off to the side. Evidentally, this larger Seal is what is applied by hand, as in every case where it has been used, the Seal impression appears in a different spot on the paper.
Then, I slipped in the the following question. I asked him if Janice Okubo had confirmed that his office produced a 2007 Certification of Live Birth, date-stamped June 6, 2007, with Obama’s birth information on it, and he quickly replied:

“Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it.”

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is posted at U. S. Law Blog.

AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!

http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

This article is a farce. His citizenship has NOT been proven. It is a large portion of the American population who want to make sure the Constitution of the United States of America is followed. I have had to prove I was an actual citizen for lesser jobs, this joker needs to own up and prove he is eligible for the position. He is a fraud until he does.

Andrea, when you had to prove to an employer you were an “actual citizen,” what document(s) did you have to show?

FactCheck.org, is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania.
Barack Obama was of course the head of the Annenberg project in Chicago, so factcheck.org is unfortunately not reasonably considered an impartial judge of matters relating to Obama.

“The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.”
Well actually they confirmed that a Hawaii birth certificate existed for Obama, but not the contents of that certificate. Reportedly Hawaii law in 1961 allowed residents to file a birth certificate for children born to them overseas. Is that the case for Obama? No one at this point really knows. What we do know is that Barack Obama has had his Hawaii birth certificate, and all of his school records sealed. Hawaii is one of the few states in which he would have that right; in the vast majority of states birth records are public.

It is certainly understandable that Democrats would wish to defend their leader from any partisan attack. But the fact remains that Barack Obama could end the controversy immediately by unsealing his birth and school records. That he refuses to do so invites reasonable people to infer that he has something important to hide. That something may be the place of his birth, or conceivably something else.

Think about this, you racist and bigoted pinheads – If there were any truth at all to this rumor do you think Bill and Hillary wouldn’t have campaigned on it?

You lost – a well educated and extremely qualified black man (and a country tired by 8 years of stupidity, lies and fear-mongering) won – get over it.

Aren’t there some sheep that need servicing someplace?

After reading comments on this site I can see why a freak like Bachmann was elected to office.

There’s probably not a media source you’d trust, Doug, but to throw another out, this is from Politifact, the St. Petersburg Times’ (2009 Pulitzer-winning) site: “There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.“

The proof is in the pudding. Obama is paying his lawyers huge amounts of money to fight every court challenge. The Obamas like their money too much to throw it down the drain over what amounts to a $12 issue. Please, someone list a few reasons why they wouldn’t pay it and display it?

Even if the Obama “birthers” were correct (they’re not) all Obama would have to do to prove that he’s a natural-born U.S. citizen is to prove that his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth.

It doesn’t matter where Obama was born; if Obama’s mother held a U.S. passport when Obama was born or if a U.S. birth certificate can be produced for his mother, Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen.

Chrissy,

Ask yourself one question. IF the Certificate of Live Birth (NOT a long form birth certificate) that’s been circulating on the internet IS authentic then Obama could instruct the state of Hawaii to release a copy to anyone who asks and pays the ten buck fee. Yet he won’t. Doesn’t that set off alarm bells? If you don’t know what I’m talking about then you haven’t done any research…something that would be expected of someone that reports the news.

Do some research. Taking the word of shadowy campaign figures isn’t good enough. Dig. Find the truth. It’s not that hard.

Paul Schmelzer;
The article you cite is from June 28, 2008, and the web document in question has been judged a forgery by other trained document examiners.

It certainly does invite skepticism when a person seals their own birth and school records, and then submits a “document” to their own friends to authenticate on their own behalf.

Recently, when Major Stefan Cook asked for an injunction against his orders to Afghanistan on grounds that Barack Obama was not constitutionaly qualified to be commander in chief, his orders were rescinded to render the case moot, and then his civilian employment for a defense contractor was terminated. Why not just submit Obama’s birth certificate to the federal judge and court martial Major Cook? In order to avoid having Obama’s qualifications judged in court, a precedent has now been set that following orders in the military is voluntary. Of course Major Cook will not be the last soldier to use the “Obama isn’t really President” defense. It’s just a question of when some stubborn Federal judge gets his back up and subpoenas that pesky birth certificate!

Aubrey Immelman;
The law in 1961 was such that Barack Obama’s mother was six months too young to automatically pass her citizenship on to a child born overseas, assuming that’s where he was born. When Congress revised the law in 1986, they didn’t make the change retroactive.
As crazy as it sounds, if as some people allege Barack Obama was born in Kenya in 1961, it is actually possible that he has never been a US citizen.

Hey, Chris, how about an expose on the real story about Michelle? Turns out that a Christian organization that helps funnel government funds to fundamentalist home schoolers paid for her to take a trip to Bethlehem over Christmas last year, and she manipulated House ethics rules to hide the financial support for her pilgrimage. Then, when called on it, she said she didn’t know anything about the internal workings of the organization…

Oh, that’s right, it WASN’T Rep. Bachmann. That was Rep. Keith Ellison and his free trip to Mecca.

Imagine the mewling and puking if the first paragraph were true (note the subjunctive). I’ll bet you wouldn’t have buried it in some “Ayem Newsie Below the Fold” section, Chris, the way the “Minnesota Co-dependent” as with the Ellison story so far.

Screw the birth certificate! There’s plenty rotten in the District of Columbia without that distraction!

Can you please show me where the LEGITIMATE Hawaiian birth certificate is? And if it has been produced, why has Obama spent almost $1 million on attorney fees to keep it from being made public?

See Saul Alinsky rule below…

RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)

The “progressive movement” has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason. Uninformed voted Obama – http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninformed-voted-obama-informed-voted.html

This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.

You might consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones. http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-false-arguments-and-make-strong.html

Obama certainly has gone to a great deal of trouble to keep many documents from seeing the light of day. It should trouble any honest person regardless of which side of the aisle they align themself with. I’ve noticed in reading many blogs regarding this issue that many of the responses from those on the left are to call those who want to see the documents “racist”. That trick lost it’s power a while back. The fact that no one can provide an adequate explanation for the many troubling details on this issue (two different hospitals given as his birthplace, the Keyan ambassador telling a radio show that his birthplace is a tourist attraction in Kenya, and the opacity of the administration on his background) leads me to the conclusion that he may very well not be qualified constitutionally to hold the office. I hope these records are eventually supoened.

What is the BFD, show me the GD Birth Certificate.

Hey, guess what, even IF Obama wasn’t born int he USA – SO WHAT? SO WHAT? SO WHAT!!!! You actually think YOU LOSERS will EVER have ANYTHING to do with who makes it up to the top???? Stop kidding yourselves. Obama’s a citizen because ALL OF THE POWERFUL PEOPLE SAY SO!!! Get lives. You’re not going to ever – EVER – do anything about it. Personally I think it is sad and desperate that pathetic racist (yes, yes racist – no one is asking for Bush’s, McCain’s or Clinton’s birth cert.) is still suck on this issue EVEN AFTER THE GUY HAS BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT!! But hey, they are still some crazy Southerners who believe the Lincoln was never truly President. A word of advice – History rolls over you crazies like a concrete steam roller. This issue will NEVER be a true issue and you are wasting your time.

* you have to have birth certificate or passport to get a driver’s license, or learner’s permit.
* you have to have birth certificate to get a passport
* you have to have a birth certificate to sign up for college

Stop being so ignorant

Release the birth certificate and put it to rest. Has this new administration touted as open and able to stand up to scrutiny that they must now rely on factcheck and snopes to prove Obama is a natural born citizen? This whole country is corrupt and has been corrupt for many years. When can we take back our country?

Why does this topic exist? Documents accepted as evidence in a federal court of law have been produced and accepted. This is not a matter of opinion or interpretation. This is verifiable. Finding testimony to cast doubt on these facts is a time-honored legal maneuver that does not alter the facts. Changing the list of supposed illegalities ‘on the fly’ demonstrates that there is no supporting evidence. Repeating falsehoods in the face of facts underscores the oppositions veracity. The birth certificate I used to get my passport is not able to pass the changing multitude of tests that have washed over this argument. It has passed the same tests that President Obama’s has: reality.

No need to see the Long-form BC….makes no difference where Obama was born. He was born with dual-citizenship’s therefore he is ineligible to be POTUS. Period.

During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?

OK, Fact: Obama has a SSN. In order to get a SSN a birth certificate is needed. The government has accepted his birth certificate already. The government has, in effect, already shown that he is a US citizen. FACT: In order to get on the ballot the individual has to show that they meet the qualifications. Obama was on the ballot in all 50 states. It was up to the individual state controllers of elections to ensure that candidates meet the qualifications. They had the right to challenge any candidate’s qualifications in court. FACT: they did not challenge his qualifications. Thus, Federal and all states have affirmed that Obama is a US Citizen. FACT: Obama has proven his citizenship. FACT: The president does not need to prove to each individual that he meets the constitutional requirements. He only needs to prove it to the authorities who control the process. That is how government works. Why didn’t these same tin hats ask for Bush’s (either one) birth certificate? Was Bush of the correct age?
Tin Hats need to worry about bigfoot knocking at their door rather than this nonsense.

Lots of certainty in these comments, but not much linkage to back assertions up. Please share resources on how much Obama’s spending on legal, his alleged dual citizenship, and who these “other trained document examiners” are.

Just Plain Tired: We reported on Ellison’s trip first thing yesterday morning: lead item, headline mention, above the fold.

Thank you, Ms. Hill, for illustrating my point of changing the target for these charges. This one is as easily disposed of as those that came before.
1. President Obama’s father was Kenyan.
2. Kenya is a former British colony.
3. The British Nationality Act of 1948 addresses citizens of current & former British colonies.
4. Progeny of a person covered by this Act may avail himself of these rules until their 21st birthday.
5. This term has expired.
6. The above steps are rendered moot because President Obama has produced documentation proving he is a natural born citizen.
Three minutes of research debunked the entire theory.
I am no Democratic apologist: I am conservative, have libertarian leanings, and live in an area that tends to vote GOP. But as long as we continue to substitute fantasy for fact, we’re f***ed.

Call your Congressman toll-free at 1-877-851-6437 and demand that Obama prove that he is a natural born citizen. But he won’t be able to because he was born in Kenya like his grandmother states. We have to impeach Obama because he does not have the power to sign legislation because he is not a natural born citizen.

Ok, after seeing all the evidence, let’s do this piece of advice:

“AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!”

Ok, here we go… OMG GIVE IT A REST IF YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE QUIT PRETENDING TO.

You think he can time travel? Prove time travel to me BEFORE saying he went back in time to put in newspaper announcements, BEFORE telling me that’s what he did.

OMG YOU IDIOT.

Sam –

Polarik is a fraud. He is no expert, and no doctor. Just google Polarik debunked and a lot of stuff comes up on google.

The COLB is genuine. It is a prima facie document. It clearly says he was born in Hawaii.

How about this–McCain was born in Panama–no question about that fact–yet he ran for President.

There is no constitutional or Supreme Court definition of natural born citizen.

Get over it.

Bush and Cheney both resided in the same state, but they served as President and Vice President. Definitely unconstitutional.

Chachi

You are wrong, but how about the second half of the post?

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines, a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

After reviewing Dr. Polarik’s analysis, Sandra Lines says, “I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Dr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is posted at U. S. Law Blog.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/up...

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2299

If you need any other validation I am eager to provide it.

factcheck and snopes are not reliable, sorrrrrryyyyy

Right, a Pulitzer-winning news site and a university-based nonpartisan fact-checking organization aren’t reliable, but you “Birther” lunatics are willing to accept what WND, NewsMax, Little Green Footballs and the Freepers spew as legit? Anti-intellectualism at it’s finest. At least, the fringe conspiracists give the rest of us something with entertainment value.

Aubrey Immelman- called it right. You just need to be the child of a US Citizen- naturalized or born and it does not matter where you are born. After the child is born, you need to registure the birth at the US Embassy in the country of residence. You are then recognized as a NATURAL BORN US Citizen. So enough with the semantics of where he was born. His mother was a US Citizen, he was given a SS# at birth and registured to vote. And as far as the hospital, my birth certificate, nor my children’s birth certificate state at which hospital we were born.

Wasn’t John McCain born in Panama? If he were president, no one would question his right to be president. I wonder if that would be due to the fact that he is a white male and, with respect, a war hero.

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml

Here is the answer as to why Obama would not qualify if he were born overseas.
“So, as I now read 8 U.S.C. § 1401, “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States” before Nov. 14, 1986 is a natural-born citizen only if the citizen parent “was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years” — the same rule that was in place in the early 1960s. See also United States v. Flores-Villar, 497 F. Supp. 2d 1160, 1162-64 (S.D. Cal. 2007) (taking the same view and concluding the change from ten years/five years to five years/two years only applied to people born after 1986), aff’d, 536 F.3d 990 (9th Cir. 2008) (so assuming but not discussing it in detail); Rico-Ibarra v. Mukasey, 281 Fed. Appx. 694, 695 n.1 (9th Cir. 2008) (not precedential).”

Obama produced a photograph of a document that was posted on the internet. When did factcheck become a vetting arm of the Democratic party. As to the worth of that document? Try posting a picture of your birth certificate on a website and submit that for a passport or Federal job and see how far that will take you.

The issue is in 1961 anyone could walk in off the street and on their word get a birth certificate. Believe it or not people committed massive immigration fraud before the laws were changed in Hawaii in the 1970’s.

Obama claims to have been born in a specific hospital in Hawaii. That would only be shown in the vault records the State of Hawaii is holding and Obama refuses to produce. If those records do not confirm that Obama was born in a hospital, say whoever registered him said he popped out in the backyard at a BBQ, it would raise the need for further confirming evidence from the hospital, which once again Obama has refused to release.

If not born at that hospital where was Obama born? Why would he lie?

This is why the GOP is in the toilet! These “birthers” and wingnuts are crazy. Obama , a black man who is very intelligent and cares deeply for this country and oh by the way, born in the US, won. GET OVER IT!!

Those concerned about the birth certificate issue lack vision. I want DNA samples to prove that he’s not an alien from outer space? Maybe he’s a gray or a lizard-man in disguise!

RACISM comes in many forms. A RACIST overlooks qualities of a person because of race. Blacks who overlook Barack Obama’s secrecy in refusing to show his identity, school records, passport, full birth certificate with details of birth etc. that would prove if he is eligible to be president simply because he is black, are racists. White or other ethnic people who challenge the president as ineligible for what is already known are not racists because Barack Obama acknowledges his father was a student from Kenya and he was adopted by an Indonesian and became a citizen there. That gives him divided loyalties and dual citizenship even if his mother could have bestowed US citizenship and he was born in Hawaii. Facts must be dealt with. The US Constitution requires full allegiance to the USA. Racism is dangerous for the nation.

Blacks who overlook the Communist dictatorship action of Barack Obama’s team getting Major Cook fired and revoking his military orders for questioning the president’s eligibility instead of providing proof that Barack Obama is eligible are racists and dangerous to the nation. He is using the same tactics of Communism, making religion or opposition look foolish and making those who ignore blatant dangers appear sane.

He calls us to fight against lies and deception; and when all we have to do is email the president to tell him we want this controversy ended, we will be judge harshly if we fail. We will indeed be a nation of racists.

The Certificate of Live Birth that you tout as a birth certificate is NOT legally accepted as proof for a passport. Why should it be otherwise for Obama to prove that he is a citizen of the USA?

OBAMA, SHOW THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Matthews Wrong on Obama Birth Certificate

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_birth_certificate/2009/07/22/238969.html?s=al&promo_code=83F7-1

Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.

“For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

I don’t understand why anyone should have an issue with a bill requiring presidential candidates to provide copies of their birth certificates.When I applied for a job as a teacher, I had to prove citizenship.Janitors are required to provide documentation of citizenship. Putting Obama aside for a moment, is it really too much to ask future presidential candidates to provide a birth certificate? I think not.

I love the fact that the uneducated, rascist, nose-breathing, rightwingnutjobs have something harmless like this to foam at the mouth about… it keeps the rest of us safe…

You right wing nut jobs crack me up! Whatever you do, Please dont stop….Your filling my Sara Palin void!!!

Considering the fact that you lied about her support of Hawaii’s 50th birthday then had to be corrected by Salon, I guess you’re an idiot, Minnesota Independent.

Liberal Blogs Call Bachmann a Birther, Expose Their Own Ignorance
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mitchell-blatt/2009/07/30/liberal-blogs-claim-bachmann-birther

As mentioned in my prior comment: Birthers are weird and anti-birthers are more nuts. Most Americans are not birthers and they want to see the orginal Obama birth certificate. We are all wondering why Obama just end the maddness by releasing his true original birth cerificate.
The “Live Birth Certificate” is not a birth certificate, since it doesn’t contain the name of a hospital or the name of the doctor. It is more like a birth announcement.

The circus must stop and Obama can do it in a quick way..release the orginal birth certificate.

The Certification of Live Birth issued by the Hawaii Department of Health is legally valid for any purpose. It is the document you receive when you apply for a birth certificate — the DoH no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth, only Certifications.

Any doubts you might have over the Certification would not be put to rest by the original Certificate, since the information on the former is derived from the latter by the DoH. If you don’t trust the DoH now, why would you trust them to issue a copy of the original? Any court in the country will accept the DoH-issued Certification of Live Birth, so you are wasting your time.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/01/worldnetdaily/birthers-claim-gibbs-lied-when-he-said-obamas-birt/

Now Obama’s own Myspace page says he is 52 years of age. That would mean he was born in 1957, not 1961 as the fake Factcheck COLB says.

The questions won’t go away until obama releases his hidden records. All he has to do is make the following official public statement,

“I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file.”

That’s it. Issue over. But he won’t because he’s a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What and why is he hiding?

And maybe more disturbing is why don’t BHO’s supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States? The answer is that Obama’s very own supporters also know he’s a fraud!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US YOUR LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND OTHER RECORDS!!!!!

Where is the single-payer public option?

Where are the jobs?

Where’s the Birth Certificate?

What the HECK is going on around here?

The posts of the birthers contained herein are the best example of lunacy I’ve recently seen.

BTW, I’ve never seen or even heard the GWB released his birth certificate (long-form, short-form or otherwise). By using your logic, he must have been hiding something and obviously wasn’t eligible to be President.

Also, regardless of where Obama’s dad was born, his mother was a citizen. As such, by all applicable rules Obama is eligible to be President even if he were born outside of the U.S.’s borders.

If you all would simply put 1/2 of the energy into doing God’s work (you know, helping the least among us, feeding the hungry and clothing the naked…not to mention loving your neighbor) as you do with your irrational ramblings, the country would be a much better place. He won, get over it.

People seem to get hung up on Obama’s birth certificate being called a “Certificate of Live Birth.” It means, just as it says, that the infant was born alive. There are also registrations/certificates made for stillbirth babies. I can’t believe the ongoing idiocy and ignorance of the birthers but, then again, the semantics of the words on the birth certificate isn’t really their issue. They just don’t want Obama as President and will grasp any straw to try to end it.

OK birthers, do you yourself possess a birth certificate that would pass the intense scrutiny that Obama’s certificate has been subjected to? I imagine that, had his mother had any idea that he might be President someday maybe she would have insured the document was carefully secured so there’d be no doubt.

I got my birth certificate from my mom after I graduated from college and was on my own. She even bought me a fireproof box for it and my other important papers. But I don’t have the original certificates for any of my three kids, just certified copies. We moved too many times, stuff got lost.

Why don’t you work on discrediting the newspaper announcement of his birth? I haven’t heard any plausible arguments as to how the newspaper announcement is fake. Pretty hard to fake it when libraries around the country might have a copy on file or a microfiche. Disprove that evidence, if you can!

If not, then please shut up!!!