Birther at last? Bachmann halts House action on Hawaii as Obama’s birthplace

She voted for the resolution.

Much of the controversy over the birth certificate has to do with the submission of the ‘long’ form of birth certificate versus the ‘short’ form. The ‘long’ form with more details to substantiate a Hawaii birth of Obama has not been submitted. I wonder why? Meanwhile back in the wonderful state of New Jersey; the state is currently in the process of requiring state employees to submit the ‘long’ version birth certificate for dependents receiving health benefits. Unless you submit the ‘long’ version of documentation, the dependents will be cut off from services. Another fine example of hypocrisy in the government. Our ‘great leader’ doesn’t have to but we do.

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mister 880 whacko birther sez: “The ‘long’ form with more details to substantiate a Hawaii birth of Obama has not been submitted. I wonder why?”

#1: It doesn’t have to be.

#2: It gives you uneducated, rascist, nose-breathing, rightwingnutjobs something harmless to foam at the mouth about…

I guess the birth announcements in the two papers: the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin are also insufficient proof for the birthers. The birthers will no doubt wait for the intellectual fire power of “Dr. Ron Polarik, PhD, Structural Media” (probably the unknown comic’s new dba) to debunk those announcements as well.

Perhaps the state of Hawaii should change the title from “Certificate of Live Birth” to “Birth Certificate” thus removing about 95% of the birther’s rationale. The new MN “Birth Certificate” is identical to the one used in HI except for the title.

Of course, without this issue how would we know who the total nutbags are?

This issue will not go away as the fear of having a president of color continues to fester in the minds of the right. The birther movement has gained traction and will become an issue for white conservatives to rally around for all up coming election cycles. Crazy has become mainstream in politics.

>Jesus St. Jesus
>Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 5:32 am
>mister 880 whacko birther sez: “The ‘long’ form with more details to >substantiate a Hawaii birth of Obama has not been submitted. I wonder >why?”

>#1: It doesn’t have to be.

>#2: It gives you uneducated, rascist, nose-breathing, >rightwingnutjobs something harmless to foam at the mouth about…
You are an ignorant fuck, jesus. Don’t you mean “mouth breathing” rather than nose breathing?

Dumb ass liberal whacko. If a person questions authority, and goes against your political stripe, then we are racists and rightwingnutjobs? Who the fuck are you to judge?

By asking a question, and the respondent not answering (like we would have to do) it raises issues.

Answer the long birth form. He does have to. He is inelegible if he does not. McCain did. Bush did. Clinton did. Where is Barack on this issue? Could there be a problem? I don’t know, but if he won’t answer, it has shit to do with racism, shit to do with our oh so precious left/right paradigm.

Think about it, would ya?

Dumbass.

Birther is the new “N” word used to describe those who ask hard questions of our elected officials…

or to describe what some think are righties…

but really, it is only a constitutionally mandated question of legality. Is the man constitutionally capable of being our president? Not if he is not a natural born american. Hawaii is fine, but his father was kenyan. That makes this an issue much akin to asking about why building 7 fell into its own footprint. Birther? Conspiracy theorist? Whacko?

No, just askin questions that nobody wants to answer because they already KNOW the answer.

I was happy I found some independent media, but I see now that independent means democrat leaning/liberal.

I am neither right or left, because I understand the hegelian dialectic used against us to promote communism and marxism. The constitution is all we have as a “rule of law” that keeps our liberties intact, or grants us any liberty at all.

But ask a hard question?

Not in this forum…

Even the articles are left leaning. How independent is that anyway?

Andy Birkey?

Anyone?

Got a comeback for this?

sheesh!

isn’t there an intellectual in all of minnesota that can refute me with logic and fact rather than ad-hoc attacks and name calling?

Birther really gets my goat.

It is propaganda being pumped by mainstream media, and this independent media is no better.

You are all being lied to…

911 was an inside job…

mainstream medis is complicit in the coverup…

independent media is merely a mouthpiece of the rabid left…

did I miss anything?

“The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they’re an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They’ve got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying ¬ lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.”

“But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.

“You know what they want? Obedient workers ¬ people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they’re coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club.”

~George Carlin

ZNOFOB Please come see me. We need to up your meds again.

Seriously man get help,.

Znofob please don’t defile Carlin’s memory. I think he was more about questioning such things as the rationale for going to war in Iraq, or demanding to know why nothing is being done about global warming, not a 47 year old President’s birth certificate, a man who has been in PUBLIC office for many years… Are you suggesting the fact of his citizenship was just sort of overlooked until you genius questioners of authority came along? Follow Dr. Smith’s advice.

What does it say about someone who would choose a moniker that would label them as xenophobic?

That other “N” word from the ’30s and ’40s comes to mind…

Bachmann is a baffoon, befuddled, dim witted ,poor representative of MN in the House! What are the people of MN’s 6th dist. thinking?

Where in the Constitution does it require “the long form?”

As it happens, the Senate is solely responsible for approving Presidential Nominations.
I don’t know of even one Senator who disapproved of the Nomination of Obama for any reason.
Absent that, there is no venue to raise the matter. If you don’t approve of the Senators action you can vote for different Senators, but you will not likely find any court who will second guess the role of the Senate on approving nominations.

As many have said – keep foaming at the mouth, it’s amusing, it’s self-destructive, and it fools my ancient mother at the expense of younger less white voters (the growing types).

ZNOFOB IS on his meds…. he’s even more like Sarah Palin when he’s not….

By the way… I did say “nose-breathing” intentionally. I would not wish insinuate a Republican and a Neaderthal were similar in anyway, as it would be an insult to the Neaderthals….

The birth certificate issue is a smokescreen.

The reeal issue is the Constitutional question “How can British law govern the birth status of an American natural born citizen?”.

Obama was British at birth through his british father and the British Nationality Act of 1948: all which he admitted on his campaign website.

And he stated he was a natural born citizen, in order to run for president.

And so, do your own independed research and find the definition of “natural born citizen”., and see that dual nationals are not natural born citizens.

People, robert…all.

Where are the facts to refute? Ken Dunbar writes it out right above. dual citizenship.

and you only have to be a natural born citizen to be president, not congressman.

You people are illiterate, yet seem to be able to hit the right keys…

And my special new friend Jesus. You are real special, and almost pathetically funny.

I’ll wager you would like me…really.

oh and ben, I am black

speaking of drugs and drugged readership, Jesus St. Jesus, your sodium fluoride at work over the years has taken its toll. Only calcium fluoride is good for teeth in small doses. Sodium fluoride causes brain damage…proven.

republicans democrats… hegelian dialectic process?

what is the synthesis?

re-read the Carlin cut above…he had it right on the money, folks.

you have an illusion that your vote counts. it dont.

c’mon Jesus St. Jesus…waiting for your rapacious witicism

oh dave, I chose the name znofob because i dont like people very much
you know…sociopath…
or what I call a free man, unbound to anyone or by anyone
born to be a slave,
broke free
and now know the truth
and the truth will set you free
free your mind and your ass will follow…..
the system has you and you cant even recognize it people…

http://statehoodhawaii.org/wp/index.php/2009/07/28/a-shotgun-republic-res-593/

There are a few other whereases that should be added to Congressman Abercrombie’s H. Res 593, the Hawai’i Statehood Resolution, passed yesterday on July 27, 2009.

Although this might evoke an anti-birther resolution, there is something entirely different going on in Hawaii. Sentiment is so strong that the Statehood Commission has already come out and stated that it is not “celebrating” statehood. It is “commemorating” statehood.

Statehood Hawaii

From “Born in the U.S.A.,” By FactCheck.org:
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Miles,

his father was a kenyan, subject of great britain.

In order to be a natural born citizen, both parents must have american citizenship.

This is the issue, not the certificate. The importance of the long certificate is it declares the birthplace of both biological parents.

He is not qualified to be president, even though he is smart enough for it.

The question: Is the constitution relevant or not?

According to your own statement above, you have no clue about the natural born citizen requirement to be president in the constitution.

Just another dumb ass clucking like a chicken about shit you have no clue over.

Obama has put a black face on the new world order, and nnobody notices.

He is best friend of hte international bankers, and nobody notices.

They all just claim “you are a racist” even though I am black.

Keep drinking the cool aide.

Dude, you’re just as insulting as you decry others for being. If your concern is the issues, stick to them.
You want to talk facts? You want to talk Constitution? The citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that anyone born in any state is a citizen.
In the 1898 case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, the Supreme Court of the United States decided that any person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of the United States regardless of their parents’ citizenship and is therefore eligible for either the American presidency or vice-presidency.
Even were Obama a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of his descent from a Kenyan father, Kenya’s constitution prohibits dual citizenship in adulthood. Obama had therefore automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship at age 21, in 1982, by failing to formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.
So, on whatever basis you consider it, he’s a natural-born US citizen.
Jerk.

Oh, and it’s Kool-Aid, and even that’s a misnomer; the folks at Jonestown drank Flav-R-Aid.
Jerk.

the whole issue is moot, but thank you miles for showing a blink fo intellect. You and one other are the only ones who have (including my dumb ass rant). My reading of the 14th clause shows you are in fact correct.

At least the constitution matters on that issue.

And, remember, I was asking a question, and being attacked by the ad-hoc crew. My apologies for “offending” you by attacking the attackers. At least you brought a brain to the mind-fight.

I’ll relent, not that even if I were correct would he renounce the office of potus. Obama is a big bank guy, always was, always will be. He is smooth, smart, and well connected. Much slicker than slick willie clinton ever was.

and the difference between you and I – I KNOW I’m a jerk. You are not sure.

Now if I could only get him to renounce world banks and the CFR stranglehold on our nation.

Yo! Z! Dr Smith’s right… Maybe some nationalized health care would make it easier to get in and get your meds properly dosed… Being a jerk is not OK because you know you’re a jerk… History’s greatest douche bags knew that on some level they were jerks!

It is interesting to read the foaming-at-the-mouth comments of critics of Rep. Bachmann. They portray Bachmann as an ignramus, when in fact they are the ones who are ignorant of the facts. They are the ones who spout off, citing information that just isn’t so.

Bachmann did not oppose the Hawaii resolution but in fact supported it. I know those on the left like to pat themselves on the back for being smarter than the average bear, but that’s what makes them look particularly foolish in situations such as this.

Liberal Blogs Call Bachmann a Birther, Expose Their Own Ignorance
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mitchell-blatt/2009/07/30/liberal-blogs-claim-bachmann-birther

I believe that birthers are weird, but that anti-birthers are more weird. So, release the orginal birth certificate and let’s get done with this maddness.

Most Americans are not birthers and would like to see Obama’s original birht certificate. The “Live Birth Certificate” is not good, since it doesn’t list a doctor or hospital and it does indicate race of father as “African” an non-used catagory in 1961. It should say “Negro” for race.

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