No ‘revolt’ as Tea Party activists try to ‘rattle’ Ellison at health care forum

I applaud Congressman Ellison for not being “rattled” by these activists. He let them speak, as they have every right to do, but he did not succumb to baiting questions and talking points that he undoubtedly disagrees with. His composure in this forum should be a model for all politicians, Democrats and Republicans, facing these types of situations.

These T-Baggers are just another example of the many false-fronts extremist rightwingers toss out. It’s anything but “grass roots” – rather, it is a textbook example of astro-turf.

Wow! Tommy you describe the “Left” very well!

While there are scumbags on both sides that will hijack a good movement to make a profit, we here on the street level are all about grass roots. Yes, “sponsors” benefit by our hard work and NO they do not give us any money.

Lets not get destracted from the fact that Tommy Johnson and many others like him are supporting health care reform but they obviously have not read the bill.

Tommy, we would be happy to hear from you after you have read the entire 1,000+ pages!

Power to the READERS!

Read the bill, your life depends on it.

PS: Government does not have to pay for abortion. Abortion is not a form of birth control. This health care legislation will allow for even more funding for abortion and that to me is MURDER BY PROXY! If you choose to have sex, you choose to have a baby or kill a baby. Still a parent, just a parent of a dead child.

Toni,

Attacking a country (Iraq) that had done nothing against us, resulting in the deaths of over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, is MURDER BY PROXY. I am against the death penalty that is applied overwhelmingly to African Americans and Latinos and not to whites, especially whites with money, it is MURDER BY PROXY. Since you don’t want to pay for actions you consider immoral, I am sure you will support the right of Americans to no longer support a corrupt military industrial complex. Why does your Republican party force me to pay for murder by military?

I can’t speak to town hall meetings that have taken place across the country on health care reform, but I am familiar with the circumstances around Rep. Ellison’s meeting. I’m one of his constituents in the 5th district. I’m on his email list. I received no notice of the town hall meeting. One day before the meeting, it was quietly announced on the congressman’s website. ONE DAY.

Minnesota Majority was lucky enough to notice the event being posted and quickly informed Ellison’s constituents via email of the event. It seems quite obvious to me that the congressman didn’t want his actual constituents to show up and voice concerns. Rather, he would have had a staged event stacked with supporters who likely knew about the even well before it became (barely) public knowledge.

Word spread fast and people showed up because they care about the possible outcome of a massive health care reform package that’s being positively RUSHED through congress, as if it has to be done before anyone notices what’s happening.

Minnesota Majority did not advocate any “disruptions” but merely provided constituents information about the subject, the time and location of the public event and even went so far as to suggest some questions they might want answered.

It seems that at least in a small measure, all sides were heard and the civil exercise of democracy prevailed over what looked to be planned as a staged, one-sided show.

Seems like a good thing to me, unless the objective is to stifle all dissenting voices.

By the way, Minnesota Majority didn’t have much to do with the Tea Parties. We participated in the St. Paul Tea Party, and helped spread the word, but didn’t organize it. Perhaps you are thinking of the Tax Cut Rally?

Here’s what Minnesota Majority’s email said:

We have just learned that your US Representative, Keith Ellison, has just scheduled a town hall meeting on health care reform for this Saturday, August 1. Here are the details:

WHAT: Congressman Keith Ellison Health Reform Town Hall Meeting

WHEN: Saturday, August 1, 2009 — 10:00 a.m. — 12:00 noon

WHERE: North Point Health & Wellness Center (1313 Penn Avenue, North
Minneapolis)

Representative Ellison is a supporter of President Obama’s plan for a
government takeover of our health care system. If you care about
preserving your right to make health care decisions for you and your
family, we STRONGLY URGE you to attend this town hall meeting.

You should know that members of Congress will be exempt from being
forced into this plan. They will have their own. Liberal lawmakers
want to force you to join the new health care plan, but they refuse to
include themselves in the plan.

You can read an overview of the Obama health care plan (HR3200)
compiled by the Liberty Counsel by clicking on the following link:
http://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/healthcare_overview_obama_072909.pdf

Here’s a link to a list of “tough questions” that you should ask of
Rep. Keith Ellison at Saturday’s town hall meeting:
http://www.minnesotamajority.org/Portals/0/documents/HealthCareQuestions.pdf

You may wish to also refer to some of the talking points we included
in our healthcare action alert earlier this week:
http://www.minnesotamajority.org/Portals/0/documents/20090727HealthCareAlert.pdf

Read about the revolt occurring at town hall meetings across the
country in reaction to the proposed health care’reform’ bill:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25646.html

Please be sure that Representative Keith Ellison gets the message on
how his consitutuents really feel about a government takeover of our
health care system by attending this Saturday’s town hall meeting.

In case you missed it, that last link — the one about “revolt” — goes to a Politico story that starts like this:

Screaming constituents, protesters dragged out by the cops, congressmen fearful for their safety — welcome to the new town-hall-style meeting, the once-staid forum that is rapidly turning into a house of horrors for members of Congress.

On the eve of the August recess, members are reporting meetings that have gone terribly awry, marked by angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior. In at least one case, a congressman has stopped holding town hall events because the situation has spiraled so far out of control….

No doubt a friendly reminder by Mr. McGrath to stay civil and respectful?

Tim,

I still would like your opinion about the health care bill after you read it.

Minnesota Majority and others like it are awesome organizations that do a great job at getting us the facts we need.

When I talk about the people profiting off of this movement I was mainly speaking at the ones at the way top.

The term “tea baggers” or “tea bagging” describe the people who use it.

Calling people names that oppose you is simply childish and shows the level of your coping skills, even if you did get it from Alinski.

“Minnesota Majority and others like it are awesome organizations that do a great job at getting us the facts we need.”

Is this satire? Or does the word Fact have an alternate meaning? What facts are you getting that you need? Obama was born in Kenya? Obama is going to kill off senior citizens? Our very lives depend on killing health care reform? What facts are Minnesota Majority giving you? Let’s see a list.

“Minnesota Majority and others like it are awesome organizations that do a great job at getting us the facts we need.”

Is this satire? Or does the word Fact have an alternate meaning? What facts are you getting that you need? Obama was born in Kenya? Obama is going to kill off senior citizens? Our very lives depend on killing health care reform? What facts are Minnesota Majority giving you? Let’s see a list.
P.S. – Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!

The problem with disrupting civil discourse (what is encouraged in these memos to right-wingers) is that it will have a backlash.

Most of us moderates want to see a civil, fact and evidence-based, reasoned debate about healthcare reform. Fear mongering and civil disobedience (a “revolt”) around this issue is just plain silly. Other countries have public option healthcare and it works. Let’s study what works and reform healthcare to get the best possible solution for Americans and American business. We have 46 million uninsured in this country, and the cost of healthcare is destroying our economy. Doing nothing is not an option. These obstructionists are hampering a healthy democratic debate that needs to happen in this country . . . most Americans (the real majority) believe we need some healthcare reform.

I want to hear from both sides, and that includes listening to what Ellison has to say. Please be respectful. Stop the astroturf antics and fear mongering. We’ve been lied to enough.

Several years ago the city of Andover attempted to route a gas pipeline through a neighborhood without giving the residents of the neighborhood sufficient time to become informed of the situation and let their opinions be heard. The resulting public forums at city hall were spirited to say the least and yes some residents were angry and did not follow Roberts Rules of Order when addressing the council. These residents were organized, hired legal council, and eventually prevailed. They were ordinary citizens getting involved with choices being made for them by local government. I guess that makes them activists and extremists?

Some in Congress, and to some extent the media, are attempting to marginalize the grass roots opposition to health care reform by painting the picture that these citizens are part of some sort of vast right wing conspiracy. Sure, some are angry, sure, some do not give the respect due to their representatives but make no mistake these are normal folks who are fed up with government and government mismanagement and do not want government to control their healthcare choices.

It appears everyone speaking againgst the so-called revolters never even showed up to the event. How would you know? What gives you the authority to speak about the contents of the event? I was the first person who spoke on the attached video, so I was actually there. While it would have been easy and appropriate for Ellison to answer some simple questions presented to him, he gave himself an out up front by saying he would just run around the room, give each person 40 seconds to speak and not offer any responsed. Overall, this was a poor way to run a townhall. It was more like a propaganda forum, which I don’t think people appreciated. But he let people get their turn at the mic and we used our right to free speech to express our views. The whole event was very civil and respectful considering the passions on both sides and compared to other raucus events I’ve seen videos of in other parts of the country.

Apparently, some people are interested in what we have to say at these events. this video has been viewed over 60,000 times, featured on Rush’s website and he quoted me on the air. At least someone thinks what we think is important. thanks

Bernie

If you’ve been listening to the debate at all you’d know that government is not seeking to control healthcare choices. Under the Obama plan we keep our private health insurance. We continue to choose our own doctors, clinics, etc.

The difference is that the 46 million who do not have private insurance today can choose a government insurance plan, at a lower cost, to give them basic healthcare they are lacking today. Our system is broken — requiring employment to get affordable care (and there are now many employers who won’t provide health insurance at all) doesn’t work.

This isn’t the same thing as a routing a gas pipeline through a neighborhood. It is offering people the choice of gas, electric, or oil to heat their homes vs. forcing them to take the most expensive (electric only, for example) option.

Big difference. Disrupting civil discourse is their right, but I don’t think it helps their cause. Most of us want to hear the arguments on both sides, in a civil manner. Showing up to meetings and screaming won’t gain support from moderate, thinking Americans.

Anna, with all due respect you missed my point. The reference to the Andover situation was to point out that at town hall meetings people sometimes get angry and do not always respect the speaker. That does not make them extremists. It has nothing to do with a pipeline, nothing.
A government that has consistently failed to manage programs, AM trak, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security can not manage a health care system. There are some of us, even in Minnesota, who do not want government in our lives. We will solve our own problems thank you. I have listened to the debate very carefully; even the president
cannot ecplain what is in this plan in any detail.

Belnie,

If you don’t want government in your life, I would ask you not to drive on roads, not to accept mail delivery, not to allow doctors educated in the public school system to work work on you, not to use light coming from street lamps, not to allow police or fire officials to protect your home in case of invasion or fire. I hope that you don’t receive a drivers license and encourage others not to as well.

Saying “we do not want government in our lives,” I am hoping, is a misstatement on your behalf. I truly appreciate that we have civilization. To do so, individuals must be organized. Government is the means of doing this. By and large, public servants are truly that. We are blessed in Minnesota with a large number of very talented people from many different political parties.

Disruption of a public meeting to force these elected officials to make commitments is a right of the people that should be respected. Public disruption to ensure chaos and mayhem, ensuring that the public servant cannot explain his/her commitments is a right, but should NOT be respected.

Bernie,

“do not want government in our lives”

So I take it you won’t be using Medicare or Social Security, and you don’t drive on publicly funded roads, send your kids to school, take part in city rec programs, use local police or fire services, etc. (ie, you currently don’t see a benefit from ANY government programs, or maybe just the ones YOU use).

The desire and hope for civil discourse is commendable, yet naive. For those of you who simply want to here both sides, I agree. Let’s get the facts out, novel idea, who could disagree. Problem is, that is not in the nature of the beast. This is about control, power, and who has it. It is a never ending struggle. Their is good and eivil in the world, you need to pick a side. Neither is always right, I put my trust in God, and then follow the lesser of the evils.

1. Civil disobiedence is OK if it originates from the left, but when those of us on the other side disagree and speak up, we’re angry, unhinged mobs. When the left, and liberal politicans call us names and threaten violence it’s brushed aside and quickly forgotten. During the presidential campaign, you may recall Obama encourging his supporters to ” . . .go home, engage your neighbors, dems, reps, inds, get in their face . . .” take it to them. Or, when he commented, ” . . .if they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun.” Enough is enough, we will now excercise our God given rights.

2. Healthcare reform HR 3200, I’ve read several sections, go take a look. Start with page 16, it states that if you have insurance at YR 1, day 1, you keep it, until something changes, jobs, whatever, then you must go to the government plan. After 5 years all plans must be the same as the qualified plan, i.e. the govt plan. So, you will not have a choice. Costs, economics 101: a)Decrease in cost to the person and demand demand will increase; b) Increase demand without increasing supply and costs go up. So, look at the bill, then ask your rep to explain it, what will they say. Heck, most admit they haven’t even read the thing. hard to have a rational discussion then eh?

A line in a movie comes to mind. A self-proclaimed god-king, a murdering tyrant, trying to convince a man to come over to his side, to become a traitor, tells the man: I’m a kind and generous god, not mean and cruel like the other guy, I will give you all that you desire, land, money, women, I just ask that you kneel at my feet and honor me, and only me.

This is not about healthcare, if it was, why ram it through in 4 weeks when it took 6 months to pick a dog for the first family. This is about control, liberty, freedom. Obama is no mystery, during the campaign he made it clear what he was about and who he was. The history of the world is tyranny, but some of you now think, for some reason, Obama and his ilk are the ones with the right answers, and this time it will work. These men and are somehow different, hmmm?

Those who are willing to sacrafice essential liberty for promises of temorary security, deserve neither liberty nor secruity. Ben Franklin

Good luck and God bless

Robert, I am with you, we agree on the public meetings. Not having government in our lives could have been better said. Of course we need basic services from government, that’s why we pay taxes. What concerns me is when the government begins to make decisions for you and limits your choices. Mismanagement of government programs costs all of us.

Anna, you seem hostile. We obviously see things from a different point of view. Have a nice day.

Mr. Chamberlain, you said it pefectly.

46,000,000 include those using holistic care which is not covered under any insurance plan! But, as you know most cancer survivors use holistic methods because of the toxins the FDA approves in everyday food. It also includes the people that are happily covered on state plans already.

Have you read the bill? I would love to hear from you!

If you have read it, come on my show and tell me why you do/don’t support it.

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“This is not about healthcare, if it was, why ram it through in 4 weeks when it took 6 months to pick a dog for the first family.”

This debate, and policy shaping, has been going on for YEARS. Hillary Clinton had a brain trust working on it back when her husband was in office. It has been well-known, in the medical and insurance industries, that the current model for healthcare delivery in this country is economically unsustainable. Policy geeks have been working on solutions for a couple of decades (books have been written on the topic).

The question is, do we maintain the status quo and continue to lose jobs (to nations where healthcare costs are half, per capita, of what they are here) and the middle class, or do we do something about it?

5 facts about the anti-reformists

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the “Swiftboat” ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President’s plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no “government takeover” in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the “SS” symbol to compare President Obama’s policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting — and more examples like this come in every day.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to “stand up and shout” and try to “rattle” lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions.

Hey Anna,

Bravo. An illogical arguement, a red herring, a straw dog . . .”5 facts about anti-reformists.” The discussion is about healthcare “reform” not the people who are showing up to protest. A simple and simple and attempt to change the arguement. It’s rich that you attempt to discredit people exercising one of the most cherished freedoms, to freely assemble in the public square to question their elected officials, as being no more than paid agents of insurance companies and party officials, while quoting almost verbatim the latest talking points from the democratic party and their agents.

Anna, et al., Obama spent a lifetime as a “community organizer”. I say if Obama can do it so can those of us who oppose this grab for power. If Obama, the Daily Kos, Moveon.org can follow “The Rules for Radicals” why can’t those who oppose their schemes and lies. I say if Obama can send an e-mail to all of his political supporters, call up union supporters, to confront average citizens at these townhalls and other meetings, then so can we. By the way, that isn’t what I would call “uniting” the country.

As for healthcare “reform”, apparently you haven’t checked the polling on the issue, or maybe you choose to ignore the data. The majority of people like their healthcare; the majority do not want higher taxes to pay for this scheme; in fact HR 3200 only has aroun 35-40% support. Check the latest Rassmussen polling. Lastly, problems can be addressed, but not by the govt. They are politicans and have broken everything: SSN is broke; Medicare, Medicaid are broke; Amtrak is broke, the U.S. govt is more than broke, China may soon own us.

Good luck and God bless

The majority of people do not understand that the oppressive cost of their healthcare is what prevents their employers from giving them raises, or offering more jobs.

China will own us because all the jobs are going over there . . . the wages and costly benefits are unsustainable in the US, and a major part of that is healthcare cost. My employer pays $15,000 a year just for my healthcare coverage. That overhead cost prevents him from hiring more workers.

Anna,

Spoken like a true elitist socialist . . .”the people just don’t understand, we know what’s best for them, we’ll take care of you”

No, Anna, it’s you and other’s like you who “just don’t understand”; “it’s you I feel sorry for. You’ve been convinced that other’s know better and can take care of you, make decisions for you. So, in the end you sell out your freedoms, liberties, your soul, in exhcange for the promises from self-serving politicans. Thing is, you don’t even know it, your helpless, it’s taken years for you to get this way, it’s a disease. World history is filled with similar stories, and they all end badly.

As for economy . . .I’ll save my energy. China will own us because they currently hold a huge stake in U.S. Treasury notes, i.e. debt.

I’ll pray for you, it’s just who I am.

The promises of self-serving politicians are the talking points they are given by special interests such as the private insurance industry. In their world profits are more important than people.

I’m not helpless, and my liberties are most threatened by greedy special (corporate) interests; their only interest is continuing capitalism gone wild (and they fund the politicians who continue to push their agenda), and creating more obscene profits for the rich class. How many billions does the CEO of United Health need to make?

Profiteering on the backs of the sick and disabled should be illegal; it destroys freedom and liberty, and creates a cruel tyranny for millions in this country.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/24/health_care_problem_isnt_socialism_its_capitalism_97610.html

I encourage more Americans to attend these town hall meetings. We all complain that we are never heard. This is a perfect opportunity to be heard. The media on both sides are covering these events, though biased coverage is expected.

i know that when I turned out for the April 15th tea party events I was surrounded by normal Americans with concerns over the direction this country is headed.It was grass roots to the core. I had never been to such an event before but after attending, I am looking forward to going to a town hall meeting.

I will, no doubt, be called “another “astro-turf” rep. Have you stopped to think that …perhaps…these town hall attendees really do think they way they think? Perhaps you could wrap your head around the fact that Americans are angry and would like the governemnt to butt out for a minute. Astro-turf is such a made-up term. Obama’s 2008 campaign taught us how to do this- now he can’t stand for opinions other than his own and must call us “astro-turf”. Shame on you people who agree with his analysis. poor judgement on your part.

oh, and Anna- you are definitely sounding a bit socialist. Move somewhere else and leave us hard-working Americans to spend our paychecks as we see fit. On healthcare or a night at the movies. OUR CHOICE!

“Here’s some free advice for the Democrats: When you are attacking the voters, you are losing. “Conjuring up ‘villains’ and making elitist remarks about middle-class Americans isn’t a strategy, and it will backfire on you” .

If Republicans cared as much about people as they do unborn babies, they would realize that SINCE we were born WITHOUT a choice…..
WE SHOULD RECEIVE HEALTHCARE WITHOUT A CHOICE…..

I don’t think anyone can disagree with this.
Republicans care about you and what you do with a life until you/they are born.
THEN ITS “-ON YOUR OWN – TOUGH CRAP!!!!!
STAY OUT OF MY WAY AND I DON’T WANT TO HEAR YOU SCREAM….”

Republicans will end the Earth in the NAME OF GOD!!!
WE MUST KEEP THEM OUT!

> How many billions does the CEO of United Health need to make?

As many as they deserve for bringing us the wonderful gift of health insurance in return for our hard work.

You’re just a socialist who wants to give gifts to the poor at the expense of forcing your ideologies on the successful.

No, ROGER, it’s you and other’s like you who “just don’t understand”; “it’s you I feel sorry for. You’ve been convinced that other’s know better and can take care of you, make decisions for you. So, in the end you sell out your freedoms, liberties, your soul, in exchange for the promises from self-serving CORPORATIONS.

But by all means, go ahead and keep fighting against your own best interests. Wall Street is counting on your allegiance.

Roger Chamberlain …

Page 16 of H.R. 3200 doesn’t say that at all … I suggest to you Two Things … First, go somewhere and educate yourself with respect to healthcare insurance and what the terminology means (have someone help you with the big words). Second, actually read the bill you are bashing instead of the summarized editorials based on so-called ‘con’servative talking points which you obviously just take and troll up with populisms on the internet. Sadly, intellectual laziness and ‘cliff noting’ legislation and issues has become the hallmark of the ‘newba’-con talking head led right and it’s direct dividends have been the 2006 and 2008 election results.

Right Thinker (man there is so-much wrong with that name LMAO)
“As many as they deserve for bringing us the wonderful gift of health insurance in return for our hard work.”

So do tell … how much healthcare had to be denied to United HC’s participants in order to fund Mcguire’s $1.1 Billion Golden Parachute (largest in US corporate history) in 2006 after he stepped down for felony investigations? So for being a criminal he was rewarded with over a Billion in a payoff. This is what you support?

They (health insurance providers) don’t bring you a gift of anything … that you said this is virtually pitiful … I deal with HI’s all day everyday they pay millions in salaries to people every year for the specific purpose of denying their paying customers benefits and/or access to in some cases life saving diagnostic procedures. in the 1990′s I worked for a vendor supplying UHC and negotiated contracts with them at that time I worked for a company that was 20 times the size of UHC (both in number of employees and revenues) and actually manufactured tangible products to be used to treat UHC’s enrollees and yet their CEO was being paid 5 TIMES the salary of the CEO of the company I worked for (a Fortune 50 Corp) … you should change your name to ‘Clueless Clown’.

Here is Page 16, Hr 3200; seems pretty straight forward assuming Y1 is the effevictive date of the bill.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf

Page 16 Hr.3200 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT
COVERAGE.

(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.— Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED.—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.
(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day be26
before the first day of Y1.
VerDate Nov 24 2008 23:22 Jul 14, 2009 Jkt 079200

Regarding better ways to hold town hall meetings:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/opinion/16fishkin.html

Of course the disrupters will probably decry it as “socialism” or “fascism.” Because of course, letting others have a chance to speak just isn’t fair!

Nice posts, Anna.

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