The religious right is ramping up its campaign against health care reform, even joining with the “tea party” movement to encourage conservative Christians to swamp town hall meetings. Minnesota’s religious right leaders say that the health care reform package is against God’s plan for health care and that Christians should go to community forums and “read them the riot act.”
Jan Markell of Maple Grove–based Olive Tree Ministries called on her radio listeners to attend congressional town hall meetings in August. “Here’s what you can do, your congressmen and senators are coming home for much of August,” she said on last week’s program. “They are going to have town hall meetings all over the place. You need to go there and give them an earful. The ideal thing to do is to go to their town hall and read them the riot act — in Christian love — but read them the riot act on this issue of health care.”
But she implied Rep. Michele Bachmann should be spared, heaping praises upon her: “[Michele Bachmann] is one of my favorite people. She is doing just an outstanding job in Congress standing up for what is right. She’s got a target on her back. You need to pray for her and her family.”
The Minnesota Family Council says that Obama’s plan for health care reform is against God’s design.
“Some may ask what does God have to do with our health care system,” wrote Minnesota Family Council president Tom Prichard. “For one, He’s created the government as an institution in society to do certain things. When we reject His design for government, in a sense, we’re rejecting Him.”
Prichard continues, “In Obama’s worldview, our trust is in government not in God. A denial of how God designed and created our economic and social systems to actually work in the real world. The result? The abysmal failure of government control of health care in socialist models. From the USSR which takeover [sic] everything, including health care, to our neighbors to the north, Canada and European countries such as the UK where rationing and massive waiting periods are the order of the day.”
In the national context, the largest and most well-known religious right groups are employing some bizarre tactics. The Christian Coalition of America is pitting seniors against immigrants. Health care reform would “provide healthcare to illegal aliens, while rationing care to elderly and disabled American citizens.”
Americans for Truth say that the public option would go to pay for sexual reassignment surgery for transgendered people. “Will ObamaCare Turn into Taxpayer-funded ‘Tranny-Care’?” asks their latest email alert. The Family Research Council is pushing Republican talking points — verbatim.
And the majority of these groups are tagging along with the tea party movement to swarm congressional town hall meetings. Focus on the Family is urging its members to attend such meetings and “demand that abortion funding be explicitly excluded from any reform bill.”
The Family Research Council want its members armed with video cameras. “Please make a point of going to the forums near you and share–in a respectable manner–your thoughts with your congressman,” an email from the group instructs. “While you’re at it, why not bring your video camera?”
And the American Family Association tells its members to keep the pressure on: “Don’t let the liberal left silence you! The future of our country and our children and grandchildren is at stake. The ugly name calling shows that your voices are being heard. Please keep it up!”














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Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:44 am
Isn’t it time to tax the land and income of these political organizations hiding behind religion? Sure seems like they are less interested in the intimate relationship between believer and God than they are in influencing public policy. Everyone has a right to organize politically, just not on our dime with tax-free income.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 10:48 am
“God created government” sounds an awful lot like the rationale behind the divine right of kings.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:21 am
These people have no right what so ever to force their beliefs upon me. They should be barred from being able to espouse such stupid opinions. If it means taxing them out of existance, then do it.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:34 am
It sure isn’t hard to whip the religious conservatives into a frenzied hysteria. They scare so easily, those macho types!
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:43 am
more insanity and hate from the groups known for insanity and hate. the christian god they pray to would shudder at the knowledge that this behavior is rationalized in god’s name. i am catholic; these people are nazis.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 11:58 am
Why can’t we give these creeps their own state and just let the secede?
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:17 pm
Religion= Thought control. Wake up sheeple.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 12:56 pm
Is the private insurance industry “God’s Design”?
How many billions does the CEO of United Health need to make? How many billions did Jesus make to heal the sick?
Profiteering on the backs of the sick and disabled should be illegal; it destroys freedom and liberty, and creates a cruel tyranny for millions in this country.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/24/health_care_problem_isnt_socialism_its_capitalism_97610.html
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 1:50 pm
Um, let’s see…………..the Good Samaritan parable? Whatever you did to the least of these you did to me? Treat the stranger in your land with kindness, remembering how you were mistreated in Egypt? Jesus opposing the religious right by healing someone on the Sabbath? Well, the American Pharisees are going to persecute Jesus all over again.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 3:28 pm
UHG loves these guys, unpaid corporate shills. How did the word ’socialism’ get so demonized?
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Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
Did you notice how good old Tom Prichard never says HOW we are to help the uninsured? And what is “God’s plan” for government anyway? One would think that caring for the needy would be part of that but heavens no, that would be “socialism.” So let’s just let the insurance giants make billions while people suffer right? Jesus would be appalled at these so-called Christians.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 4:55 pm
WWJD — What would Jesus disrupt?
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:47 pm
Time to take tax exemptions away from the churches.
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:52 pm
God designed and created government and our social and economic systems? Did God personally write the Constitution? Did Jesus pen the Bill of Rights?
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 6:59 pm
“Prichard continues, “In Obama’s worldview, our trust is in government not in God.”
What’s that religious standard about bearing false witness? Mr. Pritchard?
Who would Jesus shout down at the town hall meeting? Which riot act would he read to the gathering?
Comment posted August 7, 2009 @ 9:33 pm
What’d Ghandi say? I like your Christ, but I don’t like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ.
Pretty much says it all.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:48 am
America is a CHRISTAN nation, the athiest liberals need to remember that.
If you are going to live in my country, you WILL worship Jesus, or at least accept the fact America is a nation of Christians.
Jersus’s message was that salvation comes through worship of him.
You don’t get to heaven through good deeds- it comes ONLY by worshipping Jesus…
So liberal attempts to say Jesus would help the uninsured doesn’t fly…
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:24 am
I’m so tired of militant atheists trying to force government-controlled everything onto us.
Jesus would support the right to choose who provides your health care, not have a sub-standard system forced upon you. Jesus was all about the right to choose, remember?
If you live a good life, work hard, then you’ll be able to afford health care. Maybe those who cannot afford health care are those that are living in sin.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 9:33 am
If we are going to start to taxing churches as politicial organizations, lets first do the same for all of the unions and trusts that are out there. They are a lot more political than any church is.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:15 am
Bite me Ted A. Who are you to tell anybody living in America who they WILL worship. America was founded on the principle of freedom and that includes the freedom to worship or not as they see fit. America is not just made up of a nation of Christians. Not everybody believes what you do. And it’s not your business to force your religion on anybody. Take your theocracy and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
Why do you think Jesus focused on the outcasts of society? Jesus said that when you help the least of these you help him. Or did you forget that part?
Your kind of religion does not honor Christ. I’ll pray that Jesus shows you the way and the light.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:58 am
Egads, they think they booked heaven exclusively for themselves and now they think their poo don’t stink. They don’t tolerate dissent well, nor do they play well with others. Well, I give you Mr. Ted A. a timeout for being a petty childish little tyrant. Your punishment is to go read the beattitudes and stop playing with that Leviticus chap.
And dude, if your gonna quote scripture, get it right. John 3:16 says nothing about worship, only “believes in him”. Oh, also remember the stuff about ministering to the sick…, not just to the sick with a fat Blue Cross Blue Shield policy. Really…
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 10:59 am
Ted A., you should be ashamed. I am an Evangelical born-again Christian, my degree comes from one of the most conservative Bible colleges in the country, and I will tell you that what you just said makes Jesus weep. Do you read your Bible at all? Do you read Matthew 25 about taking care of the least of these? Do you understand Micah 6:8 that God requires us to do justly and love mercy and walk humbly with our God? If you truly had Jesus in your heart, you would never be able to write such a hateful message. I will pray for you.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 11:02 am
Ted doesn’t like living in a free country, apparently, or understand what it means.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 11:06 am
How DARE they. How dare they want to have a voice? HOW DARE THEY? What do they think they have freedom of speech or something. Get in your cage conservative! Get in your cage. Be silent and obey.
Leftist hypocrisy gets worse everyday.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 11:13 am
@ Mill
It’s easy to get a Kristian Brownshirt to lie, just ask them about evolution.
It’s not a sin to Lie For Jesus!
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 11:19 am
If health care is against God’ plan, then I guess we should also eliminate Social Security, Medicare, FHA, Food Stamps, FEMA, FBI, CIA, DIA, ONI, NSA and possibly even the Department of Defense. After all, God will take care of us should we ever have the need. I believe Jesus charged us to help our neighbors, and then he went on the define “neighbor”.
By the way, all these Repubs who are concerned with deficiet spending. Where were they when we went to war and simultaneously cut taxes? Oh yes, I remember, this war was going to pay for itself wasn’t it.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 11:38 am
What is your problem? I have never been pushed to believe in God. Maybe you are afraid that God is real need to bash people who believe in order to make you feel better about your fealings. Sounds like there are a lot of little NAZIs here. Let freedom rule and not government. Unless you want us to be just like Nazi party. Check history people. We are following the Nazi party since Jan 20 2009. Now we are even promoting hatered for a religious group. Hay, maybe you should go after Jews along with the Christians. Religion has been around here longer than any government. It makes me sad that there are so many of you believing in nothing. If that is your belief, why don’t you put a bullet to your head and end it all? Maybe, you are really sticking around because you are afraid of God meeting you at the end.
Bashing religious people, is exactly what the Nazi party did. You guys would fit in well back in 1938 Nazi Germany.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:51 pm
Dan, You need to read up on your history. It is today’s Republican Party that has been acting like the Nazi’s. When the US joined WWII, we sided with the Socialists (Russia and Great Britain) against the Nazi’s. The Nazi Party viewed itself as a super Christian group, which was the reason it felt justified in destroying any religion (Jews) that it chose to.
The GOP knows this, and is responding by referring to the Democrats as Nazis, to divert attention away from themselves.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 1:29 pm
How dare they want to have a voice? HOW DARE THEY?
No-one is complaining about the conservatives who don’t lie, or worse, like this:
If you live a good life, work hard, then you’ll be able to afford health care.
If that is your belief, why don’t you put a bullet to your head and end it all?
I’m so tired of militant atheists trying to force government-controlled everything onto us.
America is a CHRISTAN nation
“Will ObamaCare Turn into Taxpayer-funded ‘Tranny-Care’?”
[Michele Bachmann]… is doing just an outstanding job in Congress standing up for what is right.
When we reject His design for government, in a sense, we’re rejecting Him.”
Canada and European countries such as the UK where rationing and massive waiting periods are the order of the day.”
Health care reform would “provide healthcare to illegal aliens, while rationing care to elderly and disabled American citizens.”
Obama will ban all private health insurance.
The government can’t possibly run a healthcare program.
Unlike private insurance, government bureaucrats will ration care.
Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.
Obama can’t be president because his father was a British citizen
A Kenyan birth certificate for Obama, showing he was born in Mombasa, has been discovered
Christians are persecuted by liberals
Liars don’t deserve respect. Liars don’t deserve a voice.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:36 pm
Hearing things like the first amendment would allow this type of universal health care law as long as it’s secular in effect, doesn’t seem to allow for any “free will” at all . Didn’t all of Jesus’ stories and actions encourage us to make CHOICES that are in accordance with God’s will? Seems like some who would support Universal Health care are also in support religion being practiced according to what the government might see fit?
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 2:55 pm
Why are so many good Christians being brainwashed into thinking our President is out to destroy us? Why are they being brainwashed into thinking it is okay to lie and say they are “pro-life” while they protest a National Health Plan that would help save the lives of those who do not have healthcare coverage? When did life suddenly begin at conception and end at birth? Why are they being brainwashed into thinking that only the lazy do not have healthcare coverage? What are the millions of hard-working Americans who are losing their jobs in this economy supposd to do?
Please….read what Jesus taught us about caring for poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, tending to the sick, and visiting the infirmed. And, if your preacher is feeding you the anti-Christian beliefs above, find a new church quick, for the sake of your own salvation!!!
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:37 pm
I believe Ted A was using something called “SARCASM”…
Now you take back all those bad things you said about Ted!
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 4:49 pm
I noticed that Jan Markell has all sorts of notes about ‘donating’ and all sorts of items for sale but no where in searching the internet have I found one example of charity on the part of her ‘ministry’ so once again we see that the guilting of people with the Bible is most helpful in a one way revenue stream.
Dave? you’re the same sorta hot dish slurper that stood up at McCain’s rally and told the Senator that Obama was a ‘muslim’ … stay just the way you are it’s what makes MN Rube Central and keeps us ‘quaint’ … inbred and ignorant but quaint.
As for ‘Merica being a ‘Christian’ nation … you obviously either flunked US History or as I suspect simply didn’t bother since populism and what you want to believe is less taxing intellectually than the facts. Funny how I work in healthcare daily and have dealth with insurance issues for more than 15 years and not one thing that people like you spew is even remotely accurate. As for Congresswoman Bachmann … on my three constituent visits related to outdoors issues (hunting and fishing) that I have participated in over the last 2 years she is the One member of the MN Congressional delegation who has consistently been absent and unavailable she is an embarrassment to MN and an elitist of the worst kind and apparently has you totally fooled.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 7:01 pm
If you think the Democrat Healthcare Plan trying to be stuffed down the throats of the American people sounds so good for you maybe they should make sure you pay the bill for everyone who opposes it when it fails and is not working. Put your money where your mouth is!!!!
I can’t believe there are so many naive people in America who can’t see through the forest to see the trees. The plan they are running around the country now trying to sell is all on paper which non of the criminals in Washington, DC have even read. They’re telling us one thing but the papers the plan is written says something all together different. Wake up America…this is Nazi Germany reborn!!!!!!
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
Liberals want to turn America into a socialist dictatorship, they want to replace faith in jesus with institutionaized athiesm, and teach the homosexual agenda and the anti-Christian myth of evolution in our schools….
Illiegal immigrants flooding into America are destroying the anglo heritage of our great nation, and turning our streets into sewers..
The liberal way leads straight to Hell- literally and figuratively…
Health care is not a ‘right’. Liberals are all about ‘gimme gimme’, whether it be welfare of quotas for blacks in the private sector…Want health care? Get job and buy it. Don’t expect to reach in my wallet so you can have health care.
You have a bad back or some ailment and need health care? that ain’t my problem.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:55 pm
What is Gods plan? To let people pray as they die? How many seniors dont realize they have Medicare run by the government? How many use the VA also run by the government?
I guess Im a union thug as we have been labeled and receiving death threats if we show up
i will be there.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 8:58 pm
Gods plan to pray and die? Union members being threatened with violence and the 2nd amendment if they show. I will be their as a union member. Solidarity!
What we are witnessing is domestic terror and needs to stop by means of homeland security and police. Terror by spreading fear, political terror, threats to others by terror. this needs to be addressed.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 9:03 pm
Ted A. Liberals want to turn America into a socialist dictatorship, they want to replace faith in jesus with institutionaized athiesm, and teach the homosexual agenda and the anti-Christian myth of evolution in our schools….
Illiegal immigrants flooding into America are destroying the anglo heritage of our great nation, and turning our streets into sewers..
You really are a hateful person and how can you call yourself a christian? OMG if this is what religion does, you can have it, I dont want it.
Jesus was a man of rags and forgiveness. You on the other hand belong to the means of selfserving greed and ignorance. You type of hateful religion belongs over the eastern deserts. Not here in the usa.
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 9:12 pm
Are we allowing the mix of church and gevernment? Dont we have a constitutional separation of the two? Again we see total disregard for the US Constitution but they want just the rights they pick and choose. The right to free speech and the right to bear arms. Nothing more. /My rights are to refuse acceptance of this fringe religion being practiced in this country. I will push back when you push yours on me. remember that is my right. Bachman would have our education teachings in a shambles given the opportunity. Banning freedoms such as books and movies. There is no truer nut case than this one.
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 9:51 am
Ted A. “You have a bad back or some ailment and need health care? that ain’t my problem.”
well … how ‘Christian’ of you
we already have socialized medicine in this country … it’s controlled by a limited and finite number of insurance underwriters who control all the financing to all health insurance providers they ration healthcare with the distinct goal of their bottomline first your health last … gotta keep the Gulfstream maintained and on the runway ready to zip off to the executive suites at major sporting events … don’t believe me? take a look at Minnesota’s own United Health which paid the largest golden parachute in US history to a CEO ousted under investigation for felonies … happened in 2006 not even ancient history … when you aren’t busy thumping your Bible online maybe you can google the facts for yourself. Bottomline, how much healthcare did UHC have to deny it’s participants in order to have the $1.1 BILLION to pay off the felon heading the corporation? let us not forget that it was the God Fearing Prez Bush who brough AIG to the table of the taxpayer to beg money out of your pocket … in case you didn’t know it AIG is the largest underwriter of health insurance on the planet and YOU are already sending them your tax dollars to keep the 7 figure bonuses afloat ala Bush Bernanke and Paulson. In other words Ted A you have zero grasp on the facts about healthcare in the US.
Finally for all your spewing of what ‘Merica is supposed to be like … Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and the rest of the founding fathers were ’specific’ that the rights of the individual and individual liberties were and are based in reason and not faith. Faith is an individual choice and as such an individual practice and is to be kept out of government. Apparently the actual history of the country you claim to love so much and your knowledge of that country are complete strangers.
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 4:55 pm
Frank, that was supposed to be a list of conservative lies.
Maybe these tea-baggin’ birther types are just angry people not smart or aware enough to know where to direct their anger…
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:06 am
I couldn’t agree more with Tom Prichard and the other conservative groups. Most of the people who don’t have insurance don’t want it are not taking responsibility for themselves and their families. “You don’t work, you don’t eat”, that’s in the Bible. You can apply to many other areas such as “you don’t work, you don’t get healthcare”.
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:37 pm
Where in the Bible does it say “you don’t work, you don’t eat?” Was it Luke 1:51? Matthew 25:42? Somewhere in there?
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 1:54 pm
Luke 10:25-37 with today’s cast of characters:
[25] On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
[26] “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
[27] He answered: ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
[28] “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
[29] But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
[30] In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Atlanta to Richmond, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. [31] A TV Evangelist happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. [32] So too, a conservative congressman, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. [33] But an illegal immigrant Moslem, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. [34] He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. [35] The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
[36] “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
[37] The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
In Jesus’ time, Samaritans were considered scum, idol worshipers, and racial mongrels.
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 2:12 pm
Randy,
What Mary neglected to quote was this passage from the Acts 2:
44. And all those who believed were like one [body,] and whatever they had, they shared,
45. And those who had assets sold them and divided them, one with the other, as there was need.
46. And every day, they worshipped* in the temple in one spirit, and in the house, they spread the bounty,* and they received the message of hope as they conducted Mass, and with contrite hearts,
47. They worshipped God, as they engaged in the fellowship of grace before all the nation. And Lord Jesus Christ increased them daily, those that Lived in faith.
What she was referring to was this section from 2nd Thessalonians which was written not to the general public but to members of a church:
6-9Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn’t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.
10-13Don’t you remember the rule we had when we lived with you? “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” And now we’re getting reports that a bunch of lazy good-for-nothings are taking advantage of you. This must not be tolerated. We command them to get to work immediately—no excuses, no arguments—and earn their own keep. Friends, don’t slack off in doing your duty.
So today’s Christians will not share everything as the early Christians did; instead they loudly say “mine”, and falsely accuse anyone without insurance as being lazy, even though someone working two jobs may not be able to afford health insurance for their family.
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 4:56 pm
These conservatives heard it wrong.
God specifically told me that she wants President Obama to succeed in healthcare reform so that ALL of her children received proper care until they return to her loving embrace in the afterlife.
Anybody who says otherwise is the agent of the devil
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 5:00 pm
Mary Thompson “You can apply to many other areas such as “you don’t work, you don’t get healthcare”.
Yeah, so my friend’s daughter, who died in her 30’s with severe spina bifida (sp?) … who couldn’t work as an adult but needed more than a dozen major operations …
she should have starved by your Bibical insight? Or died … skipping the surgery?
I don’t want to live in your world. Thank goodness I don’t
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 6:59 pm
I’m horrified at the arrogance of these “religious people” who assume that God, Jesus, the Apostles, the prophets, you and me, every real Christian in the country, and yes – the devil – have ordained them to be newly crowned leaders of our country.
They obviously live in a very small world with rules of their own making. But still, I worry. They are growing in numbers, growing in arrogance, and growing in voice.
I want no part of their world. Give me the Good Old Religion!
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Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 5:24 am
Is it gods plan that working families are bankrupted when the health insurance industry denies medical claims on families that are no longer deemed profitable to them due to illness?
When a religious organization gets behind a greedy corporation, I have to ask how much they have donated to the MFC.
If compassion and empathy was profitable, I’m certain your organization and God would have a different message.
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 5:33 am
Mary Thompson “You can apply to many other areas such as “you don’t work, you don’t get healthcare”.
That statement is right up there with the pro life values you espouse backed up by the anti welfare rhetoric. The only federally funded program that allows for a pro life decision and a mere 1% of the fed budget.
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 7:52 am
You people who believe it is Gods way to refuse healthcare, this is your choice. DO NOT PUSH YOUR CHOICE ON OTHERS! Politically charged debates and what do we get here? Quotes from the Bible. There is a religious war going on in parts of the world, perhaps you should join them OVER THERE! When did religion become to fringe??? The greed of church leaders to become politically involved in legislation is when. We need to remove the tax exempt status of these churches and push them back where they belong, which is not in politics! Money talks and the more they get, the more politically charged they become. They violate the constitution which we must not allow any longer!
Let them pay their fair share of taxes if they wish to remain in politics and watch them cry a new God!
Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 10:50 am
What about the 300+ verses of scripture that say we need to take care of the poor, the sick, the hungry, the “least of these”? what about jesus saying to treat these people as you would treat Jesus himself.
we always hear the arguments against homosexuality, stem cell research, abortion, etc. but when it comes to the biggest biblical take away (taking care of the less fortunate) you guys sit hear and twist and warp God’s word. People like you latch on to a handful of vague references regarding homosexuality, meanwhile the rich go untouched.
wonder why jesus talked about how hard it is for rich people to get into heaven and not gays…. because people like you PREY upon your congregations and those less fortunate, you use a cafeteria approach to Gods word (which is why there are about 218787871 different variations of God based religions now).
Newsflash! my neighbor being gay wont kill me, my ineligibility to have healthcare very well may.
if Jesus came back right now, Its people like the MFC that would tar and feather the guy for his “social, liberal” ideas of helping those who need it. and in the end they would be the first to try and crucify him again.
take your “religion” and shove it. next time you say you know God’s plan or you have to prove it!. BETCHA CANT!
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Comment posted August 11, 2009 @ 7:17 pm
to call this government “god’s design” is an insult to him. if he designed it, why is evrything so fucked up? god would want to take care of all his children. why do you people want to hold onto your money and not use it to help others? you greedy sinners. practice what you preach and give freely of yourselves.
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Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 5:40 am
Here’s how to fix health care: All believers in an omniscient and omnipotent god should not get access to modern medicine. If they truly believe in god then prayer should be sufficient. Or do they doubt god’s ability to heal infections without antibiotics, cancer without chemo, etc.? According their worldview god created the laws of science so why not just skip the middleman and go straight to the source?
If religious people no longer used modern healthcare, costs would plummet, the irrational would die, and everyone would be happy
Comment posted August 13, 2009 @ 10:56 am
For those who oppose health care reform, why do you give up your (future) Medicare and/or Medicaid plans and pay for EVERYTHING yourselves especially when you get older and your health starts to fail? I seriously hope none of you have to go through what my father has to go through as a diabetic with heart issues.
My parents are on Medicare. My dad recently had to get a pacemaker, not to mention had an array of other operations in the past few years. Had he not have had the benefits of Medicare (along with his other insurance policy), he and my mother would be broke and have to live with my older brother and his family.
I work in the medical billing field. I regularly see patients’ insurance companies deny them coverage (like Blue Cross) for certain services because the companies do NOT cover them. I fail to see how this is perfectly acceptable for those who oppose health care reform especially when a lot of these patients are unemployed.
P.S…tax the churches. I am sick of them trying to stick their noses where they don’t belong…in politics (and vice versa).
Comment posted August 14, 2009 @ 2:21 pm
Ah…the Bible, that universal oracle, giving humankind specific and accurate instruction on every question it faces.
Question for Tom Prichard:
I’m a little confused on where in your god’s holy book are the details about the kind of health care system we should have. Is this right next to the discussion of string theory or development economics? Or possibly even as deeply into Matthew as Jesus’ discussion of the photoconductive effect in non-metallic solids. I can’t remember which. I’m so glad though that a deity recorded all of this for easy reference. Where would we be without that book?
Also, I’m struggling over where Jesus condemned homosexual marriage. Someone told me this is in the chapter where Jesus pronounces on the right to own a .50 caliber machine.
And then I have a question about the Bible’s view on masturbation.
Patiently awaiting your response,
Eric
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Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
These people evidently answer to a different God than I do. I guess they feel it is ok for the insurance industry to rape our citizenry?
Comment posted August 18, 2009 @ 2:05 pm
One day a poor pregnant woman came to A conservative republican.
“Oh, wise one” cried the woman. “My husband was killed in an auto accident. I cannot support this child in my belly. I want to have an abortion. ”
The Conservative gazed upon the poor woman and replied “No. Woman. All human beings have a right to life. Go and have your baby and forget about an abortion”
So the woman had her baby.
The baby was born gravely sick.
It needed a doctor and expensive medical care.
So the woman returned to the Conservative Republican
“Oh wise one. My baby is sick. My child needs expensive medical care. Can you help me.”
The Conservative lectured the woman sternly:
“Heath care is not a right. It is no ones fault but your own if you can’t afford the pay”
The newborn child died after much suffering
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
I say go to their town forum or at least their blog http://mnfamilycouncil.blogspot.com/ and give them a piece of your mind.
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 11:37 am
Wow… I’m really surprised at all you ignorant people, that are still backing this stupid reform bill. oh and Not to mention your being fed by the state run media propaganda… Oh well… think what you want about taxing churches…that’s just dumb, but Everyone can have an opinion, I voted for Obama but I’m now starting his true colors and socialism coming out with massive government take over. Its funny to me that he spent 6 months looking for the right “First” Dog …but wants to quick stuff this heath care shit down everyone’s throats before the August recess. Whatever… no side is perfect… but the Left is defiantly .. scaring the shit out of me now.. wish I wouldn’t have gone along with the, pop-culture, trendy cool, vote in NOV!!
Peace out.
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 5:08 pm
“Read them the Riot Act”?? That’s indeed what should happen, although that would result in the dispersion of the Republican Rioters:
The required reading, according to the Act is:
“Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King!”
In other words, Republican Rioters, return to your homes or face certain death.
Comment posted August 20, 2009 @ 6:24 pm
For Jonnyrock: The “STATE-run media propaganda”? What the hell are you talking about?Corporations run the media, not the government.
Wow! I can’t believe how ignorant YOU are.
And a government “take-over”? Of what?
You need to go to Youtube and watch the video interviews with Wendell Potter. He is a former official of Cigna Health. He’ll tell you what you need to know about how wonderful and fair our FOR-PROFIT health system. And it will be coming straight from one who knows.
And Jonnyrock, have you EVER considered how oxymoronic that sounds – FOR PROFIT insurance? How can you make a profit for your shareholders by covering people’s medical bills? You CAN’T!
What we need is MORE “socialism,” not less.
And forget about the dreaded phrase SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. In fact, there’s no such thing. What smart countries have is SOCIALIZED INSURANCE. It’s something the For-Profits will NEVER allow. Why? Because they can’t stand the thought of competition. They only like their monopolies and their big fat Wall Street investors.
You just better hope your health remains good for the rest of your life: no injuries, no illnesses. And remember, these things can happen to ANYONE, not just those who abuse their bodies!
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Comment posted August 31, 2009 @ 3:41 pm
The Christian right has been the ultimate failure in America. Theocracy didn’t work in Europe prior to the mid 19th century and it defies the very values America was founded on. Health care reform is being used as the great smear campaign by these greedy religious conservatives as a tool from the right wing white community. I never see any people of color at these tea parties. I never see people of color act like jackasses at town hall meetings. I mean, Asian, African American, Hispanic and others. It is just a system I do no understand, will not understand, and highly doubt when I meet my maker someday, an ideology that Christ himself would never understand. “Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth”. Blessed are the poor. I am not sure if Jesus would like any political party, but I am sure that the sin of pride and greed which many of these megachurch ideologues like Pat Robertson, and James Dobson have set a poor example.
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 11:30 pm
The Christian right sold its soul to in exchange for power.
Their agenda no longer has anything to do with God, Jesus or the Great Commission.
It’s all about power, money, keeping women in “their place”, and securing a seat at the table of influence. It’s completely corrupt, and can’t seem to catch a whiff of its own stench.
It odd that people who insist that every word of the Genesis creation account is scientifically factual- a day had to be 24 hours – simply cannot seem to tolerate even the IDEA that Jesus actually meant what he said about the poor, justice, rich people and religious hypocrites. He didn’t really MEAN, “go sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor.”
I mean, that’d be just crazy, right? That whole “turn the other cheek” stuff? Again, He was just making a point. Excuse after excuse from the fundamentalists for why we can’t take Jesus at His word! Amazing, but unsurprising.
I’m a Christian who believes the Bible is God’s message for us, but understands that fallible humans were involved and we humans have a notoriously bad track record at translating God without tainting His message with our own prejudices and assumptions. For example, God, who designed my female body and my menstrual cycle, is disgusted by it, and insists I be quarantined and considered “unclean” during it? Seems doubtful, doesn’t it?
Proverbs is clear that those who enrich the wealthy while impoverishing the poor face damnation. Guess Solomon forgot to explain the Republican talking points to the Almighty.
God meant the DESERVING poor. I can’t imagine how Pat Robertson, Dobson & Co. plan to try to justify themselves and their greed when standing before God at the Judgement. If these scheming charletans skate by, I gotta think Ananais & Saphira should get a do-over.
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 8:21 am
It’s funny to me that most of the so-called Tea Partyers are on Medicare and/or Medicaid. They do not — most likely — pay taxes anymore also. They are the ones who are now complaining about the ones paying for their health care insurance — legal or illegal aliens — today. They are the ones who will not need to make any decisions concerning a birth control or abortion also. They are the ones who have the time to show up and protest. They shout at politicians, “Are you going to put your family on this plan?” Well, they should refuse Medicare and/or Medicaid. They are the ones who shout at politicians, “Are you going to follow the ‘will of the people?”‘ The people can be wrong. The people were wrong in this country and others have been wrong many times. Remember slavery, holocausts, apartheid, etc. It’s funny or is it just sadly good old fashioned “prejudice?”
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 11:29 am
Photos and Remarks From The Portland Health Care Can’t Wait! Rally
http://chuckcurrie.blogs.com/chuck_currie/2009/08/photos-and-remarks-from-the-portland-health-care-cant-wait-rally.html
Health care and the Christian tradition
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2009/08/health_care_and_the_christian.html
Most Christians disagree with the Religious Right.
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 11:54 am
Kings provided for its people…Those Kings that worshiped false gods, pagans, and idols paid the price of Jehovah’s wrath…and the people suffered as a result…so the bottom line is do we have a King David or King Solomon or a King Saul in Office. The thought to ascertain is whether the Kings are being obedient to God and not man…the results will follow…
Comment posted September 22, 2009 @ 5:35 pm
The “Christian” religious right says Jesus doesn’t believe in healing the sick, at least not with government funds. They also say that Jesus hates gays. The Muslim kook fringe says Allah tells them to kill anyone whose religion and culture they disagree with. With gods like these, who needs Satan?
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