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	<title>Comments on: 35W bridge workers accused in anti-gay assault</title>
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		<title>By: dezertbebe</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-15994</link>
		<dc:creator>dezertbebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is ricdiclosy how far this has gone, how peeople act like their monsters, their not.  I mean if this incident had never happened, u just so happened to meet these guys u would think they were pretty nice people. This is ruining our lives, they guys can never get thier job back. Also one guy has lost his home,car. So I say we stop the verbal bashing to these men leave it alone. They have learned their lesson so now its time to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ricdiclosy how far this has gone, how peeople act like their monsters, their not.  I mean if this incident had never happened, u just so happened to meet these guys u would think they were pretty nice people. This is ruining our lives, they guys can never get thier job back. Also one guy has lost his home,car. So I say we stop the verbal bashing to these men leave it alone. They have learned their lesson so now its time to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: hartman_john</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-11222</link>
		<dc:creator>hartman_john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound like &quot;Brokeback Bridge&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: hartman_john</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-11221</link>
		<dc:creator>hartman_john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gay bashing reaction - probably cuased by handling too many hot rivets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gay bashing reaction &#8211; probably cuased by handling too many hot rivets.</p>
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		<title>By: Two-Way Street</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-11130</link>
		<dc:creator>Two-Way Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And dezertbabe, I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s going to buy the argument that it&#039;s natural for disagreements to be settled by fighting -- nor are they likely to be won over by the point that everyone involved was drunk.  The drinking was voluntary, and assault is simply ILLEGAL any way you slice it, drunk or not.  You might have clarified the motive, i.e. that it wasn&#039;t *meant* as a gay-bashing... but clarifying the motive does not excuse the events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And dezertbabe, I don&#39;t think anyone&#39;s going to buy the argument that it&#39;s natural for disagreements to be settled by fighting &#8212; nor are they likely to be won over by the point that everyone involved was drunk.  The drinking was voluntary, and assault is simply ILLEGAL any way you slice it, drunk or not.  You might have clarified the motive, i.e. that it wasn&#39;t *meant* as a gay-bashing&#8230; but clarifying the motive does not excuse the events.</p>
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		<title>By: Two-Way Street</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-11129</link>
		<dc:creator>Two-Way Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong, this attacker sounds like a real jackass... but is it really fair to implicate the state in this one?  All the State of Minnesota did was contract with a company to build a bridge, a company that apparently happened to hire a few jerks (which is unavoidable in a world that&#039;s full of &#039;em).  The state couldn&#039;t have possibly foreseen that one specific person from this company would head down Washington Avenue and kick the shit out of someone (nor could it have *prevented* the behavior -- they don&#039;t have the guy on puppet strings).  (And I&#039;m sure someone might argue that it was potentially foreseeable because the guy had a past criminal record, but do we really want to live in a world where a single transgression brands you and prevents you from ever getting a job again?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This guy got fired from his job after the attack (which he damn well should, especially with clothes identifying him as part of the project), and he&#039;ll be facing criminal charges.  (Not to mention, there&#039;s now a whole bar full of leathermen who&#039;ll make damn sure he never shows his face again!)   He&#039;s getting his comeuppance -- let&#039;s not spread the blame to others who don&#039;t deserve it, or we actually end up taking the responsibility for his disgusting crime off of him.  (Not to mention, rhetorical hyperbole just helps the radical right continue to claim that those who work for tolerance of social minorities are angling for &quot;special rights&quot; - of course, we&#039;re NOT, and it sucks that the radical right would misuse a statement about a tragic event in such a fashion, but the simple fact is that the bastards will do it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t get me wrong, this attacker sounds like a real jackass&#8230; but is it really fair to implicate the state in this one?  All the State of Minnesota did was contract with a company to build a bridge, a company that apparently happened to hire a few jerks (which is unavoidable in a world that&#39;s full of &#39;em).  The state couldn&#39;t have possibly foreseen that one specific person from this company would head down Washington Avenue and kick the shit out of someone (nor could it have *prevented* the behavior &#8212; they don&#39;t have the guy on puppet strings).  (And I&#39;m sure someone might argue that it was potentially foreseeable because the guy had a past criminal record, but do we really want to live in a world where a single transgression brands you and prevents you from ever getting a job again?)</p>
<p>This guy got fired from his job after the attack (which he damn well should, especially with clothes identifying him as part of the project), and he&#39;ll be facing criminal charges.  (Not to mention, there&#39;s now a whole bar full of leathermen who&#39;ll make damn sure he never shows his face again!)   He&#39;s getting his comeuppance &#8212; let&#39;s not spread the blame to others who don&#39;t deserve it, or we actually end up taking the responsibility for his disgusting crime off of him.  (Not to mention, rhetorical hyperbole just helps the radical right continue to claim that those who work for tolerance of social minorities are angling for &#8220;special rights&#8221; &#8211; of course, we&#39;re NOT, and it sucks that the radical right would misuse a statement about a tragic event in such a fashion, but the simple fact is that the bastards will do it).</p>
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		<title>By: dezertbabe</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-10082</link>
		<dc:creator>dezertbabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above stuff writen under my name is the true facts by my man, so read it. Theres the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above stuff writen under my name is the true facts by my man, so read it. Theres the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: dezertbabe</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-10081</link>
		<dc:creator>dezertbabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;not dezertbabe&gt; i am dissapointed in the way things happend  .  i lost my job over a simple fight. i feel bad that the man received stitches. it was not intentional. but do to the fact the noone wants to hear the other side of the story two men who came out there all the way from california to be apart of the  35w had lost ther jobs and also put a damper on our career.  Something that wasn&#039;t mentioned, was the fact that all of us involved including the man that got hurt was  drunk . i just find it odd that he didnt remember much that happend but yet when he had a chance to get on the news he rememberd.   I am not against gays, I have no bad feelings towards them, but just because he was at a gay bar that night it was atomatically deamed: as a gay bashing.  Which is far from the truth.  He opened his mouth first, Otto responded and it went from there.  It had nothing to do with gender, sexuallity, race or age,  it was a disagreement and it was settled as such.  For all of you people who don&#039;t rememer how it was to disagree with someone, well TAKE A BREATH!  People get into fights- get over it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;not dezertbabe&gt; i am dissapointed in the way things happend  .  i lost my job over a simple fight. i feel bad that the man received stitches. it was not intentional. but do to the fact the noone wants to hear the other side of the story two men who came out there all the way from california to be apart of the  35w had lost ther jobs and also put a damper on our career.  Something that wasn&#39;t mentioned, was the fact that all of us involved including the man that got hurt was  drunk . i just find it odd that he didnt remember much that happend but yet when he had a chance to get on the news he rememberd.   I am not against gays, I have no bad feelings towards them, but just because he was at a gay bar that night it was atomatically deamed: as a gay bashing.  Which is far from the truth.  He opened his mouth first, Otto responded and it went from there.  It had nothing to do with gender, sexuallity, race or age,  it was a disagreement and it was settled as such.  For all of you people who don&#39;t rememer how it was to disagree with someone, well TAKE A BREATH!  People get into fights- get over it!!</p>
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		<title>By: dezertbabe</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-10080</link>
		<dc:creator>dezertbabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello people i am one of the two guys who was involved in the so called brutal attacked that happend  and this is my side.  i was on my way back to our hotel after leaving the corner bar  all three of us went into grumpies to  apologize to the bartender  when we left we walked by a man he had mentioned something to otto  marin   what he had said made him upset  otto said to f   off and we continued walking  the man started yelling at us and came towards us i  got fed up with him rambling on so i had hit him in the mouth   .  he droped to the floor and we were going to leave it at that. he had then gotten back up and came after me.  i hit him again he fell so i walked away. i only took ten steps and i heard someone say look out     i had then looked behind me to him runnning towards me.  he jumped on me, i took him to the ground.   otto had then kiked me in the back and told me to get up   he went to kik me again i moved and he had accidently kiked the man in the head .     thats what happend . by the way this is not dezert babe  .   it was a fair fight he lost . now that he wanted to go on tv about i had lost my job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello people i am one of the two guys who was involved in the so called brutal attacked that happend  and this is my side.  i was on my way back to our hotel after leaving the corner bar  all three of us went into grumpies to  apologize to the bartender  when we left we walked by a man he had mentioned something to otto  marin   what he had said made him upset  otto said to f   off and we continued walking  the man started yelling at us and came towards us i  got fed up with him rambling on so i had hit him in the mouth   .  he droped to the floor and we were going to leave it at that. he had then gotten back up and came after me.  i hit him again he fell so i walked away. i only took ten steps and i heard someone say look out     i had then looked behind me to him runnning towards me.  he jumped on me, i took him to the ground.   otto had then kiked me in the back and told me to get up   he went to kik me again i moved and he had accidently kiked the man in the head .     thats what happend . by the way this is not dezert babe  .   it was a fair fight he lost . now that he wanted to go on tv about i had lost my job.</p>
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		<title>By: mplstad</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-5542</link>
		<dc:creator>mplstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still waiting on dezertbabe&#039;s research. Please share with us your corrected version of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting on dezertbabe&#39;s research. Please share with us your corrected version of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: paulschmelzer</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/4254/35w-bridge-workers-accused-in-anti-gay-assault/comment-page-1#comment-5541</link>
		<dc:creator>paulschmelzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By all means, share your research, dezertbabe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By all means, share your research, dezertbabe.</p>
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