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Minneapolis pastor John Piper seems to have sprouted the idea that God sent a tornado to the Minneapolis Convention Center last Wednesday to express his displeasure that the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America was considering relaxing its teachings on LGBT issues. But his statement has blossomed among theologians and members of the religious right chiming in with their own answers to the question: Did God send the Minneapolis tornado because Lutherans were voting on gay issues?
WordAlone, a group opposed to a welcoming church for LGBT Lutherans, wrote:
A supporter of the social statement typified the storm as a mighty wind of the Holy Spirit and as a positive message. Some WordAlone Network members heard a different message, a warning of God’s anger at the ELCA in the wind. The storm near the Minneapolis Convention Center probably led local news reports Wednesday evening, not the votes of the day at the convention center.
Jan Markell of Maple Grove-based Olive Tree Ministries, an “end-times ministry” asked, “Was God in the whirlwind?”
At this year’s convention, a blatant pro-homosexual position validating “chaste” same-sex relationships was to be voted on. It was to be voted on at 2 PM on Wednesday, August 19. Then for the first time in decades, a tornado touched down in downtown Minneapolis at, you guessed it, 2 pm.
While we have no final word from God as to whether He sent the tornado, we can observe how God treated rebellious people and nations throughout the Old Testament who would not turn away from sin. If God didn’t send the whirlwind, He did allow it. A holy God never approves of sanctioning sin and lifestyles that are destructive.
Monica Stutsman, a former ELCA member from Vergas, Minn., wrote in the Fergus Falls Journal:
The article on the website dismissed the wind saying it “did only minor damage” and “injured no one.” But don’t you wonder at the timing? It happened exactly when the discussions were going on. Surely God wouldn’t show His displeasure at the Assembly by using wind. Or would He?
Julia Duin, an ELCA delegate blogging for Christianity Today, pondered:
If God was speaking in downtown Minneapolis through the twister, no one was listening. In fact, proponents of ordaining openly gay clergy could have seen the exact two-thirds total as a vindication of their point of view. And, if God had wanted to get through to the assembly, why didn’t he send the tornado a day earlier so word would have gotten through to everyone?
Is it possible that God already knew the Lutherans were going to vote, so he ripped off the cross from the nearest ELCA to show what he thought? Or does he simply not leave his calling card in such dramatic ways? If last week’s events do not constitute God’s warning — or judgment — what does?
Matt Kaufman, a blogger for Focus on the Family, says he can’t be sure that Piper was right when he said God sent the tornado — but he probably wasn’t wrong.
I wouldn’t use the word “conclusion” — not because I think Piper’s wrong about this tornado, but because I don’t know that he’s right. That said, there’s no doubt we need the turn-from-sin warning Piper lays out. So let’s put it this way: God may have chosen an unusually dramatic means to convey it this time. But He certainly conveys it all the time in His Word.
But at least one pastor disagrees with the idea that God sent the tornado. Marty Duren, a Southern Baptist pastor in Georgia, took issue with Piper’s conclusion.
I have no trouble at all ascribing responsibility for the storm to God (even insurance companies did so for decades, though some now opt to term them “natural disasters”). I’m simply demonstrating the danger and seriousness with which those who claim in some capacity to speak for God, better be sure when assigning motives to Him. These types of attributions (including the wild claims of Pat Robertson over the years) open the doors for skeptics to point out the rightful contradictions in the way that we interpret events (”If a tornado bloweth upon the Lutherans, it is God; but, if a tree falleth on our house, it is an attack of Satan”). This inconsistency is a greater tool of the Evil One than any believer would care to admit.
Despite the weather, the social statement relaxing church teaching on homosexuality passed by exactly one vote. Two days later, under a sunny sky, the ELCA approved a measure to allow gay and lesbian clergy in committed relationships to serve the church.













39 Comments »
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 5:18 pm
I’m trying to figure out exactly how stupid religious people really are. Or are you just delucionsal? We live on a turbulent planet with turbulent (not to mention random) weather systems. Amazingly, your invisible diety is more concerned with monogamous same-sex church leaders than famines, genocides, and terrorism. Why not strike down the Janjaweed in Sudan with an earthquake or two? Or why does God repeatedly torture the pious Creationists in the South with both tornados and hurricanes? And of course, why would God heed your selfish prayers when 20,000 children die every day from hunger? Seriously. There just aren’t magical dieties. The fact there are gay animals is proof that the Christian “objections” to gay rights among humans are based on nothing but man-made superstition (of course the Christians would argue there objections are done so in the name of god; Christians need an enemy after all).
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 5:19 pm
Any pro-gay or gay person that tries to discount what happened offers proof they are not persons of God but of the dark one justifying their sins. That torndao “tracked” the ELCA convention and several weathermen said they had never seen anything like it. The strom came out of nowhere and there was no time to sound the sirens. It tracked aloft the expressway into the city where it touched down in one place and one place only. If it wasn’t God, it was Martin Luther who defined marriage in his church as a union between a man and woman.
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 5:38 pm
Oh it was such a beautiful sunny day after that stormy one, I told Him to do that y’know. *wink*
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 7:53 pm
People really believe this crap? If so, we are worse off in this country than I thought! Replace religion with science and get your head on straight. What gets me is that the religious right dont believe in evolution or science YET most medical research is science based. Does that mean they refuse prescription drugs? They should! Hypocracy at its best and Michele Bachman will fast for healthcare reform. Hope she keeps fasting until she no longer is able to speak.
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
Homosexuality is so yesterday. I hate gaytheists.
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 9:29 pm
Hate is so yesterday, Conservative Mark. Sheesh.
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 9:33 pm
I believe god meant that tornado to strike Pastor Piper’s Bethlehem Baptist Church just a few blocks away but Satan caused it to veer off its course. Pastor Piper better repent from his hateful ways or next time he won’t be so lucky.
Comment posted August 25, 2009 @ 9:46 pm
I took a look at Pastor Piper’s “clarifying” blog post about his tornado comments. I believe he is confessing that god gave him cancer as retribution for the affair he was having with Katherine Kersten.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 12:27 am
I have it on good authority that it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster that was behind the tornado. All bow to his noodly appendage.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 7:31 am
If God was trying to send a message to the ELCA, what about the people in the area of 35th and Portland? They took the brunt of the storm. What was the message to them? Rather than look to a tornado for clues, maybe we would do well to “act justly, love mercy and walk humbly with God.”
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 8:17 am
Tom said it best. How anyone can believe that an almighty God would strike in Minneapolis while he allows children across the planet to be beaten, starved and abused is the real theological mystery here.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 12:25 pm
Folks, a few centuries back it was common for preachers to claim that lightning strikes were sent by God to indicate displeasure. When less-religious folk discovered how to make lightning rods, there was a period of cultural struggle, but finally the clergy quit claiming that God sent lightning. They even started putting lightning rods on their own steeples. FYI, the Earth’s atmosphere is a turbulent fluid, the weather is governed by the mathematical rules of chaos. (See the book CHAOS by James Gleick for a laymans introduction.) Twisters are no more from God than lightning is.
Seriously, do you really think the creator of a hundred billion galaxies would care a whit what the inhabitants of this speck of a planet do in bed? I find it just plain not credible that there is any Cosmic Mandate that we all, everyone without exception, MUST HAVE KIDS.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 12:46 pm
Good news!!! No! God would never do anything remotely evil, and certainly nothing that bad. Of course “God” wouldn’t do anything good, or neutral, or anything else because gods don’t exist.
This is to say that we have to fix this ourselves as well. Speaking of hurriances, the 9th Ward is still a disaster due to Katrina. and we humans need to fix it because “God” isn’t going to solve that problem for us either.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:09 pm
right. these nutjobs actually believe that their G-d would torture people for being gay?? I thought G-d accepts all people. no offense, but whatever religion that is that thinks tornadoes and other various storms are signs that G-d is angry about gays… I dont want to be a part of that hateful, sick, twisted religion.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 1:27 pm
Ironic that these Bible beaters ask “Was God in the whirlwind?” If they really knew their
Bible (1 Kings 19:11-12) they’d know the answer. God was not in the wind (or the earthquake
or the fire). God was in the still small silence that followed it. Maybe the still small silence
was the movement of God’s spirit bringing the ELCA to the realization that all of God’s
children have value and deserve a full place at the table. The wind, on the other hand,
seems to be the hot air that people like Pastor Piper have in abundance.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 2:08 pm
Though neither a Minnesotan nor a Lutheran, I am glad I was sent the link to this story. It reminds me, yet again, why I am so glad I chose to leave behind the Christian faith in which I was raised. I am now a Unitarian Universalist, a faith that does not require me to park my brain at the front door before I enter.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:21 pm
There simply is no Love quite like Christian Hate.
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 3:22 pm
God is Love
A Letter to My Gay & Lesbian Children:
I am so sorry that those who present themselves as followers of me and my teachings seemingly do not understand me or my teachings at all.
I am sorry that I left my Gay creations in the hands of a group that would do such vile and disgusting things to you, and in MY name, no less.
I am sorry that I left ANYTHING in the hands of the Heterosexual to ‘protect.’ ESPECIALLY the children. For I do not see anyone on Earth protecting anything other than their wallets.
I am sorry that people who call themselves my followers do anything BUT follow my teachings. Instead, choosing to abuse me AND my Gay creations. For what you do to the least of my people, you also do unto me.
Mostly, I am sorry that my placement of Gay & Lesbian children upon this earth, which was meant to teach human beings how to love each other, has turned into such pain and abuse for those Gay & Lesbian children.
But do not fear. For I am watching. And I am listening. And I know what is in each and every person’s heart as surely as I know how many hairs are on your heads.
And I am sorry. And I apologize for the abuse that you have suffered at the hands of Heterosexuals. That was never my intention. For I am a God of Love. And any human being who feels anything but love for their fellow man is surely not a human being who lives their life for me at all. And they will answer directly to me for that.
I am sorry for the abuse. The degradation. The murders. The rapes. I am sorry for all of it and apologize to my Gay & Lesbian children for the abuse you have endured and continue to endure at the hands of the Heterosexuals who created you.
I apologize FOR them. And I forgive them, as my Gay & Lesbian children must forgive them, as well.
So again, to my Gay & Lesbian children: I am sorry. And I love you. They may take away your rights. They may abuse and torture and murder you. But they will NEVER take away my love for you. For I created you in my own image. And I love you. Please believe that.
Love,
God
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:03 pm
God’s love is judgment, and in doing so hopes that men everywhere will repent. His love is judgment and judment is love. I believed God and his word 5 years ago and left the homosexual lie after 7 years. It was His love for me through the church and people that loved me out of a lifestyle that was hurtful and harming. I never knew love until I met Jesus and there is no love like his love. The word of God says that ‘For this reason he created them male and female.’ and For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. everything in creation testifies that it is against nature for two of one kind to be together. be it two men or two women.
God allowed this tornado to happen as a wake-up call that this is not okay and the judgment will continue to increase in america. Because God, willing that none should perish will get our attention wanting us to repent, not to shake at our fist at God.
God alone has the rights and authority to dictate our sexual boundaries. and those who do not obey his laws in this area will face many problems, but worse eternal separation from Him.
God commanded, “Be holy, as I am Holy.”
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
“The word of God says that ‘For this reason he created them male and female.’ and For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. everything in creation testifies that it is against nature for two of one kind to be together. be it two men or two women.”
First of all Josiah – take your Bible and shove in your ass. The Bible is make-believe for naive (and probably stupid) adults.
Second – you left the homosexual “lifestyle?” No doubt you are beating off to gay porn from time to time and blaming it on “satan” instead of accepting your normal inclinations?
Third – “against nature?” Why are there gay penguins? or hyenas? Were they raped by Catholic priests too?
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 9:30 pm
To Josiah,
I hope that you are a happy man. I truly do.
But I think we both know better, don’t we?
Comment posted August 26, 2009 @ 10:56 pm
Conservative Mark writes: ” If it wasn’t God, it was Martin Luther who defined marriage in his church as a union between a man and woman.”
Martin Luther also wrote the following about the Jews: “My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire.”
Perhaps, fundamentalist Lutherans should rethink this stuff.
Comment posted August 28, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
Can’t wait to hear what the fundies say when they find out that the tornado also hit the Electric Fetus.
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 12:48 am
To those who think science has proven religion in general and Christianity in particular to be useless and dead I would encourage you to use your own head and spend some time thinking about it. To be pure science something must be testable, observable, repeatable and falsifiable. The big bang is not directly testable, observable, repeatable or completely falsifiable. Almost everything involving history does not meet those criteria and must instead be tested
indirectly which ends up involving assumptions and bias. Scientists are just like the rest of us and suffer from the human condition we all do so there is no reason to put them on a pedastal.
Pure science has not, will not and cannot prove how the universe started because we cannot go back in time or recreate the exact conditions that would have been present.
Pure science has not, will not and cannot prove that God does not exist.
We are all left with the question of how did this all get here and everyone, even the most committed scientist, has to take a leap of faith to make their answer. Nobody knows scientifically how the universe was created but all have to take the evidence and then come up with their belief. The fact that most scientist believe a certain way does not make it scientifically a fact.
Is it really more logical and reasonable to believe that the incredibly complex universe we live in just happened by chance than to believe it was created by an intelligent, rational being??? Absolutely not! Of course the downside (or upside depending on your point of view) is that the intelligent, rational being would have the authority and right to decide what is right and wrong and might just care about you and what you are doing.
Don’t check your brain at the door anywhere. Dig into it. Check it out. Christians are not anti-science but they are against the bigotry of the scientific community that says you have to believe what we do or you are an idiot. Some scientists end up sounding very religious, don’t they?
Don’t expect christians to be perfect because to be a real christian you have to admit that you are very, very far from perfect which is a big problem. When we say that something is no longer wrong and say that someone doesn’t have a problem, we deprive someone of the soluion which is forgiveness. You wouldn’t think of telling an alcoholic “no you don’t have a drinking problem” and you wouldn’t tell a person who is obviously sick “you look great, you don’t need a doctor”. Christianity is the great equalizer; we all stand before God in the same predicament and we all need the same solution. The loving thing is to show that we all have a problem and that there is a cure.
Christianity is primarily about the solution to the problem which is forgiveness through Jesus.
The active homosexual, drug dealing, axe murderer and the adulterous heterosexual, drug dealing, axe murderer both have the same problem and need a savior. God’s standards of purity are very high and even the heterosexual who just likes to look at the opposite sex with the wrong intentions is in no better shape than the homosexual.
God gets to decide what’s right and wrong, not me. Unless of course you believe there is no God and then you can be your own god.
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 1:03 pm
did you hear about the earthquakes in Oklahoma? Some kids were multi-racial dancing in Oklahoma City last night!
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 10:07 pm
Thanks, mark, for all the time you spent writing that little diatribe proving, once more, that people like yourself like to talk about science, but can’t seem to get through it without lying or otherwise making stuff up.
Or, maybe another possibility, is that you are just regurgitating something you got from some other Christian. What’s the difference between lying and repeating a lie? Why is it okay to lie in the name of Jaysus?
The sweet irony of someone like yourself telling the rest of us to “Don’t check your brain at the door anywhere. Dig into it. Check it out. ” is supremely incredible.
Comment posted August 29, 2009 @ 10:52 pm
Mark,
> Pure science has not, will not and cannot prove how the universe started because we cannot go back in time or recreate the exact conditions that would have been present.
Really? Something tells me you haven’t been keeping up with the latest developments in astronomy, physics and related sciences.
> Pure science has not, will not and cannot prove that God does not exist.
Really? Where is the proof that God does exist?
Good try, but you need to do much better than this. Sheesh.
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
Dave and Lane
Sheeeesh! Do you really understand science or do you just take what current popular scientific opinion believes and regurgitate it????
What exactly did I lie about? Is your main tactic like most secularists today to simply accuse people who don’t believe you of being liars, idiots and morons? Have you ever engaged in a reasonable dialogue with a Christian or do you think that there is no possibility of a Christian being reasonable? If it is the latter than maybe award for arrogance would be in order.
I can’t prove scientifically that God exists or doesn’t exist and that is my point. At some point you have to believe one way or the other. Based on your posts I sincerely doubt that you have spent much time really digging into your beliefs and prefer to feel self righteous and belittle other people. As long as the “intelligentsia” of science back up your beliefs you can feel confident without really studying the issue.
I have spent much of my life believing that the big bang/evolution story of origins had to be true because scientist said so but came to reject it by actually digging into it and opening my mind. I now think it takes a whole lot more faith to believe in big bang/evolution that in intelligent design.
Do you really think that current theories about exactly how and when the universe and life started will still be believed in 50 years? The general framework may or may not be the same, but many of the details will have changed as new things are learned. That means that much of what is believed by most scientists today will be proved wrong in the not so distant future. How long are science textbooks valid before much of what they contain has been disproved?
Why don’t you set out to actually dig really deep into what you believe first and then check out Christianity. Give it a fair shake. If you are right you would have some more facts to dish out to idiotic Christians and if you find out you were wrong you would have found the greatest treasure.
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 4:06 pm
“I have spent much of my life believing that the big bang/evolution story of origins had to be true because scientist said so”
Well, then, obviously you could not have understood it, nor learned anything beyond what a C student in high school might have picked up, because otherwise you would not regurgitate stupid fundie talking points like “it takes a whole lot more faith to believe in big bang/evolution that in intelligent design.” and especially “That means that much of what is believed by most scientists today will be proved wrong in the not so distant future.” You certainly would not confuse them with mere “stories.”
Furthermore, it is no one else’s job to disprove your inaccuracies or dishonesty. It’s not belittling you to point out that you are wrong. You sabotage yourself when you make the wrong assumptions about people more rational than you, and sabotage anything you might say when you parot the same tired old nonsense.
Comment posted August 30, 2009 @ 10:10 pm
Dave, thank you for your succinct response to Mark. Sheesh.
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 7:16 pm
I do not know if anyone is still even reading this but…
Mark you so nailed it. (pardon the pun) in every way. the same old, if you are a Christian you are stupid, let me personally flog you and call you an idoit. i truely have never met more intolerant people than the liberals who preach tolerance. tolerance to everyone as long as they agree with them. otherwise, you are racist, homophobic, hater, Christian, etc. nobody spews more hatred and personal attacks out of their mouths, or mouses, than the very people who preach against it. it is truely remarkable. why can they not just have a discussion. you, mark, were never offensive, never called them names, just presented your arguement. you never implied that they were stupid, or bad people, or anything, merely that they think about it, and give others respect that think differently. they can do nothing but condesend, and name call, and repeat what you say, (that was productive), and give no arguement in their favor.
i forget also why we have to have one or the other. why do we have to have God or science. we can have both you know. have they not heard the saying “who do you think started the big bang?” just because we know how things are done, does not neccessarily mean we have discovered how the process was created. science and theology can work together. and calling people names, and demoralizing them does nothing to further your point.
i could go on but…
and i just have to say, what is with the “sheesh” word. i cannot comment on all of the things i have to say to the use of that “word”
at least Dave and Lane have sparked up friendship.. that is something!!
Comment posted September 2, 2009 @ 8:41 pm
FlowerHappy,
I am reading this. And it occurs to me that you have never experienced the pain of being told that God hates you. And it occurs to me that you have never experienced the pain of having your own family disown you and throw you into the street at the age of 15. And it occurs to me that you have never experienced the pain of facing each day knowing that most everyone yu meet and come into contact with will hate you if you are honest with them about who you are.
And you say ” nobody spews more hatred and personal attacks out of their mouths, or mouses, than the very people who preach against it.”
Really, FlowerHappy? Really? Does it make you angry when those being oppressed fight back? Really? So sorry. The strongest of you would not be able to tolerate a single day of the abuse you put Gay people thorugh daily. Not the STRONGEST of you. So, to you I say this: If you want to stop getting punched, then stop punching people. It is not US who are breaking into YOUR lives and trying to destroy YOUR families. It is quite the opposite, no?
As far as your god comments. Well. What can I say. Any human being that has taken a moment for reflection can clearly come to the conclusion that religion is false. God? That’s another story. We can neither prove or disprove his/her existence. It is not God that many Gay people hate. It is religion. And make no mistake, they are not the same thing. At all. Religions, ALL OF THEM, are nothing more than cults. They serve to create division amongst God’s people, they are respoinsible for war and death and murder and greed. And they have SO many of you bamboozled. For your $$$$.
So, FlowerHappy, it ALSO occurs to me that you have never experience the JOY of having 99% of the WORLD tell you that you are evil and going to Hell, and discovering, all on your own, that God loves you just as you are and a hateful Christian can NEVER take that away.
You people really have NO idea the amount of pain. The amount of hurt. The amount of despair that you have caused the very Gay & Lesbian children that you yourselves created. Nor do you care. But to put God’s stamp of approval on it is both reprehensible and blasphemous.
So we fight, and we rise another day, and we demand that we will not be denied equality any longer. Because right now, there is a 12 year old girl or boy who is considering suicide because his parents are telling him that God hates him. And that he is evil. And that he is going to hell. And right now as I type a Gay or Lesbian child is being thrown out of the very family that created them. This is why equality is important. We can no longer be doing this kind of damage to Gay & Lesbian children. Fighting for equality, and making gains in that area will make it easier for the future generations of Gay & Lesbian (and bi’s and trans, too!) children to make their way in this world. You all have made it VERY difficult for these past generations, and survival dictates that we fight for equality. It is the right thing to do, too. Doesn’t THAT count for anything anymore?
So when ‘Christians’ blame Gays for a tornado, you should try and understand that when you punch people with something like that, they will, inevitably, punch you back.
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 12:17 pm
Just another silly example of “God’s bad aim.” He wants to make a point about some Lutheran synod’s decisions, so he messes up a whole lot of property and people, few if any of whom had anything to do with those decisions.
The people who propound these silly arguments are just reflecting their own unwholesome zest for smiting all and sundry for no good reason. They certainly aren’t Christians.
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 4:06 pm
To repeat a comment I read elsewhere, it never made sense that a jealous, judgmental, anti-gay God would send a F0 tornado to knock off a cross on the steeple of a church instead of a F5 against any of the gay bars … Sheesh!
Sheesh is a wonderful expression. To express it properly, one adopts a disapproving body stance and tone of voice while throwing his hands palm down in the air at the errant child who immediately knows he did something wrong or said something inappropriate. I find it telling that so far, those objecting to my use of this expression have invariably been fundamentalist Christians who couldn’t be bothered to stop judging others and take a look at themselves perhaps out of terror at finding that they themselves have been lacking humanity the whole while …
Sheesh.
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 8:17 pm
Titus 2:11-13
11) For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12) teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13) looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Comment posted September 3, 2009 @ 9:59 pm
Seriously?
Someone posted “the same old, if you are a Christian you are stupid, let me personally flog you and call you an idoit.”
Next you’ll be complaining about being persecuted. Somewhere a tiny violin will play in the distance.
Most grown-ups understand that when people catch you being dishonest, there’s going to be some kind of blowback. Either people “turn the other cheek” and ignore it, but think less of you, or they let you know, one way or another.
If you don’t want people to think you are stupid, don’t make stuff up, or re-tell someone else’s lie.
If calling out the dishonesty of a fundamentalist is, to you, being intolerant, or “spewing hatred and personal attacks”, then you are whining, being very dishonest, and failing to take responsibility for your words and actions.
Comment posted September 4, 2009 @ 12:30 pm
Titus 2:11-13
11) For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12) teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13) looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
Comment posted September 6, 2009 @ 9:44 am
It is hypocrisy if one professes to stand for love, but knowingly promotes hate.
To quote J.C. Ryle:
“I declare I know of no state of soul more dangerous than to imagine we are born again and sanctified by the Holy Ghost, because we have picked up a few religious feelings.”
“Sound protestant and evangelical doctrine is useless if it is not accompanied by a holy life. It is worse than useless: it does positive harm. It is despised by keen sighted and shrewd men of the world, as an unreal and hollow thing, and brings religion into contempt.”
Comment posted October 6, 2009 @ 8:09 am
Seriously? If all of you people would get off yor butts and make some actions about what you believe in rather than sitting here typing and being Anonymous maybe someone could have a little faith in you. Stop being worthless, if your so proud of yourselfs make other people your focus by helping to make this country great again. Don’t sit on your ass and wait for some political ruling to tell your dumbass what to do. I’ve said my piece now I am taking action by throwing my pc away an starting over without these interuptions.
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