Bachmann’s Fringe Festival debut

Andy – “I don

Come on… Who’s demanding who gets fired regarding “partner?” Please. I have yet to see/hear that one. Look at most of the fortune companies right now, they’re providing domestic partner benefits, not denying nor firing anyone. As a fact, the EEOC/HUD would be looking into discrimination violations if this occurred. If what you’re saying is there are groups seeking to fire someone because of their choice of domestic partner, I agree, that’s BS. My opinion is what one does outside of work, that’s their business. The issue is a lot of gays push the issue. Coming to work cross-dressed, pushing homo-sexual beliefs on others, posting homo-sexual material in public places at work, then threatening to sue if anyone dare ask the material to be removed… But back to the original point, my church, nor my religion has ever advocated forced (and read “forced”) religious belief on a group. I’m not saying there aren’t religious groups that don’t, but then you can qualify any other group that has an opinion or agenda to lobby their Rep or party for their beliefs. Also keep one thing in mind and I shall quote Dennis Prager, because I couldn’t have said this better myself:

The founders were insistent that one person’s religious beliefs not impinge on other. See: the Quakers and the fact that an oath is not required by the Constitution, but only an affirmation.

America was founded by people fleeing religious-based public policy in England.

I don’t think it’s moral for people to tell me how to live my life. When these groups and people are pushing to make it legal for me to be fired just because I have a boyfriend instead of a girlfriend, that is immoral. My being gay should not be an issue of public policy.

Public policy no. However the foundation of this country is the Constitution (which has been under interpretation since Dred Scott) and religious beliefs. I’m more curious if you have an issue with Rep. Bachmann herself or anyone on the right. I truly believe morality has a huge impact on people, especially those on the left who demand freedoms, but hide behind the very laws that allow them to commit their transgreesions (abortion and gay marriage for ex.)

“yet it sounds to me, (feel free to correct me if I

Andy, you’re saying; “When you try to make your religious beliefs into public policy then you are indeed oppressing.”,… yet it sounds to me, (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong), like you’d be perfectly fine w/ making “Anti-Religious” beliefs into public policy, and you wouldn’t consider that to be oppressing others. If so, then wouldn’t that be a bit of an “it’s ok for me to do it, but it’s not ok for you to do it” attitude?

I don’t think anyone should be forcing either their religious or anti-religious beliefs on others. However, if we’re talking about “Moral” or “Ethical” beliefs, then those are not necessarily religion-based, are they? Someone can believe in the morality of something, and yet not have that morality based in a religious faith. Many moral & ethical beliefs are echoed throughout many different religious faiths and non-religious teachings. To not have any moral beliefs, is to be amoral.

So, if you’re going to castigate Michelle Bachmann on some moral belief she has, then perhaps you’d be kind enough to share which one(s) you object to & why?

I agree with you on some points Andy, but please tell me where religious beliefs are being made into public policy. Please don’t cite abortion. To me, abortion is murder, period. Yes, there is a religious aspect to it but also a lot more. Reproductive rights. As in? Do you mean cloning? Same-sex marriage? Sorry. Pure hetero here. What you do in your house is your business. Marriage should be exclusive to male/female for the family. (Don’t beat me up over the divorce rate either, I’m with you there. There are a lot of couples who shouldn’t marry to begin with, and look at society right now, to wit the dirtbags who jumped the Dad at Valleyfair protecting his daighter. You think those assholes had a father figure in their life?) Gambling? Haven’t heard that one, except I’m for expanding it in this state rather than giving a select minority the right to control the trade (even though they are themselves governed by the big casino holding co.’s in Vegas) And I will tell ya, one of my favorite sayings is “pave my roads, provide my security, the rest I can take care of” so we’re pretty much in agreement on the

“So tell me, how is a belief oppression when it

Discriminatory? How so? Because the Christian coalition pretty much gets blamed for any “agenda” they supposedly support. Abortion, marriage between a man and woman. The issue is for some odd reason, liberals will not stand with them regarding some of these issues, even though they firmly believe in them. So they are the silent ones who in reality have a hard time coming to grips with voting for someone who supports gay marriage, or abortion, or abolishment of religion. So tell me, how is a belief oppression when it’s not forced on to someone? Where I go with MoveOn and the Hollywood left is they’re unhinged enough that many want the Constitution viewed as a living, maleable document (it’s not) and all you have to do Andy is look at some of the groups that follow lock step with them. Communists, socialists, the radical element.

I’m not sure you’ve met Congresswoman Bachmann, but sadly, rarely is her past presented in a fair format. Such as the fact that her and her Husband have welcomed over 40 foster children into their home over the years. Funny about the comment above about “gushing for God.” Interestingly enough, at our church we actually had a theme regarding the same comment. Ashamed, no way. Alive with religion, you bet. Totally my moral compass which ironically if you look at todays society, as church membership dwindles, societal ills climb. Coincidence? No way.

I don’t think anyone has accused MoveOn or Hollywood of being discriminatory in the manner that the Christian Coalition works to oppress people via their mandate to convert American government one governed by the bible — something many leaders in the evangelical right have said.

You are comparing apples to oranges, obone.

Funny, I’ve been to numerous Bachmann events where she was being videotaped and knew it (no, I’m not talking radio/tv interviews either, one was a backyard gathering where she was the keynote speaker, the other was the Wright County Republican get together last Feb in Monticello).

I also watched the YouTube vid linked to this. Ervin, you’re an idiotic whiner. It’s sad that a lot of individuals in your party run around saying the elections were stolen. From someone who has the intelligence to produce a play of what looks like pretty good writing and quality, you lack substance and prove lack of intellect with your comment regarding election stealing and blaming the “evil Cristian Coalition.” Ever hear of MoveOn funded by billionaire George Soros Ervin? Or how about the leftist’ in Hollywood? Jon Voight was recently castigated for writing a letter to the Washington Post about this very subject. Or how about college Republicans nationwide getting food thrown at them in the college cafeterias? Real mature act. That’d make me feel real proud to call myself a liberal. You folks can point fingers all you want, but it’s hypocrisy at it’s finest.

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Funny, I've been to numerous Bachmann events where she was being videotaped and knew it (no, I'm not talking radio/tv interviews either, one was a backyard gathering where she was the keynote speaker, the other was the Wright County Republican get together last Feb in Monticello).

I also watched the YouTube vid linked to this. Ervin, you're an idiotic whiner. It's sad that a lot of individuals in your party run around saying the elections were stolen. From someone who has the intelligence to produce a play of what looks like pretty good writing and quality, you lack substance and prove lack of intellect with your comment regarding election stealing and blaming the “evil Cristian Coalition.” Ever hear of MoveOn funded by billionaire George Soros Ervin? Or how about the leftist' in Hollywood? Jon Voight was recently castigated for writing a letter to the Washington Post about this very subject. Or how about college Republicans nationwide getting food thrown at them in the college cafeterias? Real mature act. That'd make me feel real proud to call myself a liberal. You folks can point fingers all you want, but it's hypocrisy at it's finest.

I don't think anyone has accused MoveOn or Hollywood of being discriminatory in the manner that the Christian Coalition works to oppress people via their mandate to convert American government one governed by the bible — something many leaders in the evangelical right have said.

You are comparing apples to oranges, obone.

Discriminatory? How so? Because the Christian coalition pretty much gets blamed for any “agenda” they supposedly support. Abortion, marriage between a man and woman. The issue is for some odd reason, liberals will not stand with them regarding some of these issues, even though they firmly believe in them. So they are the silent ones who in reality have a hard time coming to grips with voting for someone who supports gay marriage, or abortion, or abolishment of religion. So tell me, how is a belief oppression when it's not forced on to someone? Where I go with MoveOn and the Hollywood left is they're unhinged enough that many want the Constitution viewed as a living, maleable document (it's not) and all you have to do Andy is look at some of the groups that follow lock step with them. Communists, socialists, the radical element.

I'm not sure you've met Congresswoman Bachmann, but sadly, rarely is her past presented in a fair format. Such as the fact that her and her Husband have welcomed over 40 foster children into their home over the years. Funny about the comment above about “gushing for God.” Interestingly enough, at our church we actually had a theme regarding the same comment. Ashamed, no way. Alive with religion, you bet. Totally my moral compass which ironically if you look at todays society, as church membership dwindles, societal ills climb. Coincidence? No way.

“So tell me, how is a belief oppression when it

I agree with you on some points Andy, but please tell me where religious beliefs are being made into public policy. Please don't cite abortion. To me, abortion is murder, period. Yes, there is a religious aspect to it but also a lot more. Reproductive rights. As in? Do you mean cloning? Same-sex marriage? Sorry. Pure hetero here. What you do in your house is your business. Marriage should be exclusive to male/female for the family. (Don't beat me up over the divorce rate either, I'm with you there. There are a lot of couples who shouldn't marry to begin with, and look at society right now, to wit the dirtbags who jumped the Dad at Valleyfair protecting his daighter. You think those assholes had a father figure in their life?) Gambling? Haven't heard that one, except I'm for expanding it in this state rather than giving a select minority the right to control the trade (even though they are themselves governed by the big casino holding co.'s in Vegas) And I will tell ya, one of my favorite sayings is “pave my roads, provide my security, the rest I can take care of” so we're pretty much in agreement on the

Andy, you're saying; “When you try to make your religious beliefs into public policy then you are indeed oppressing.”,… yet it sounds to me, (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), like you'd be perfectly fine w/ making “Anti-Religious” beliefs into public policy, and you wouldn't consider that to be oppressing others. If so, then wouldn't that be a bit of an “it's ok for me to do it, but it's not ok for you to do it” attitude?

I don't think anyone should be forcing either their religious or anti-religious beliefs on others. However, if we're talking about “Moral” or “Ethical” beliefs, then those are not necessarily religion-based, are they? Someone can believe in the morality of something, and yet not have that morality based in a religious faith. Many moral & ethical beliefs are echoed throughout many different religious faiths and non-religious teachings. To not have any moral beliefs, is to be amoral.

So, if you're going to castigate Michelle Bachmann on some moral belief she has, then perhaps you'd be kind enough to share which one(s) you object to & why?

“yet it sounds to me, (feel free to correct me if I

Public policy no. However the foundation of this country is the Constitution (which has been under interpretation since Dred Scott) and religious beliefs. I'm more curious if you have an issue with Rep. Bachmann herself or anyone on the right. I truly believe morality has a huge impact on people, especially those on the left who demand freedoms, but hide behind the very laws that allow them to commit their transgreesions (abortion and gay marriage for ex.)

The founders were insistent that one person's religious beliefs not impinge on other. See: the Quakers and the fact that an oath is not required by the Constitution, but only an affirmation.

America was founded by people fleeing religious-based public policy in England.

I don't think it's moral for people to tell me how to live my life. When these groups and people are pushing to make it legal for me to be fired just because I have a boyfriend instead of a girlfriend, that is immoral. My being gay should not be an issue of public policy.

Come on… Who's demanding who gets fired regarding “partner?” Please. I have yet to see/hear that one. Look at most of the fortune companies right now, they're providing domestic partner benefits, not denying nor firing anyone. As a fact, the EEOC/HUD would be looking into discrimination violations if this occurred. If what you're saying is there are groups seeking to fire someone because of their choice of domestic partner, I agree, that's BS. My opinion is what one does outside of work, that's their business. The issue is a lot of gays push the issue. Coming to work cross-dressed, pushing homo-sexual beliefs on others, posting homo-sexual material in public places at work, then threatening to sue if anyone dare ask the material to be removed… But back to the original point, my church, nor my religion has ever advocated forced (and read “forced”) religious belief on a group. I'm not saying there aren't religious groups that don't, but then you can qualify any other group that has an opinion or agenda to lobby their Rep or party for their beliefs. Also keep one thing in mind and I shall quote Dennis Prager, because I couldn't have said this better myself:

Andy – “I don