Under pressure from the religious-right legal outfit Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), the city of Elk River removed an ordinance that banned religious groups from holding worship services in the city’s library. The council voted on Aug. 17 to remove the restriction.
City council member Paul Motin told the council in July that the reason for the restriction was to prevent the library from being used as a church.
“We didn’t want them to turn them into worship halls. Even though they could use it [for meetings] they couldn’t use it for prayer and worship services,” he said. “If they need them for meetings and things along those lines, I have no problems with that.”
“I guess I would have a problem if we started allowing the city facilities to be used for church services. There are other places available to them in the city,” Motin said.
Mayor Stephanie Klinzing said it was overuse that led the council to put the policy into place. “We have many start-up churches using public and private facilities in the city that occupy the same space every week for, sometimes, many years,” she said. “The council wanted to prevent this type of long-term, continual use by one group in order to open the spaces up to use by as many community groups and residents as possible.”
The city also had an ordinance that charged a higher fee to religious groups using a city park for worship services that was changed at the August meeting.
The policy stated: “The meeting room is available; free of charge, for use by community members for non-religious, non-commercial meetings, which are open to the public” and “usage may not be for prayer or other worship purposes.” The policy had been in effect for more than six years, according to Klinzing, and charged religious groups to use library meeting rooms for worship services. The library board passed a similar policy a year ago prohibiting religious use of it’s meeting rooms.
When the council repealed the ordinance Aug. 17, the library board followed suit and changed their policy to allow religious groups to use its rooms for worship.
“Excluding religious groups from a public library and charging them more than other non-profits to utilize a public park for religious expression is unconstitutional,” said Daniel Blomberg, an attorney for ADF, the group who made the complaint to the city, in a press release praising the decision. “We appreciate the city’s decision to respect the First Amendment rights of its citizens.”
But the legal issues surrounding the use of public facilities for worship services are murky.
In 2006, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a northern California county was within its rights to ban worship services from its public libraries. “[T]he County’s decision to exclude . . . religious worship services from the meeting room is reasonable in light of the library policy so that the . . . [library] is not transformed into an occasional house of worship,” the court wrote.
Religious groups can hold meetings, the court ruled, but when a religious group is turning public property into a regular church service, that constitutes government endorsement of religion.
The court said: “To conclude that the County’s exclusion of religious worship services from its government buildings is unreasonable would result in the ‘remarkable proposition that any public [building] opened for civic meetings must be opened for use as a church, synagogue, or mosque.’”
Klinzing disagreed with the the policy when it was implemented. “I was fully aware at the time that the city council approved the policy that it was blatantly unconstitutional,” she said. Klinzing says she went to the city attorney to get his opinion. “Our attorney would not render his opinion that there was anything illegal about the proposed policy,” she said.
“Regardless, I knew that some day it would be challenged and the city would have to — or be forced to — change the policy. And, as you know, that is exactly what has happened,” she said.
Klinzing said that the city council came up with a compromise that works for everyone — restrict the number of times an entity can rent a facility each year, but not prohibit any type of entity from renting it. “The change in the policy was very simply accomplished and the new language protects the facilities from the sole major concern of long-term, continual use by one organization without putting the city in violation of the U.S. Constitution,” she said.
Elk River’s public library has been used by Mayor Klinzing and others for a religious worship called “Pray Elk River.” According to press reports, as part of an effort to bring the “Kingdom of God” to the city, the mayor, pastors and local business leaders met every Tuesday for years at the Elk River Library to worship and pray. The primary goal was “for every person in the greater Elk River area to be prayed for by name.”
”We have a group of intercessors who pray for the town council, for the city, for me as mayor,” Klinzing told The New York Times in 2004.
But that group met in the old Elk River Library, which wasn’t covered under the city policy prohibiting worship. The group had to move to a different location in 2007, however, when the library moved into its new facility.
“The weekly use of a room in the former library by the Pray Elk River group was not a violation of the library’s policy because the policy covering the former library did not prohibit prayer and worship,” said Klinzing. “The group was not able to use the new library, however, because the new policy restricted prayer and worship.”














23 Comments »
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 11:52 am
When will they put the ten commandments plaque up on the wall?
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:48 pm
MN Guy…take a close look inside every major legislative building in this country… You will not only find the 10 commandments displayed, but Moses coming down from the mountain with them. Contrary to a current false belief…this country was founded on the principles of those 10 commandments. Did you know that our legislators used to actually pray in Washington DC right in the capital building? You won’t find that truth in most history books today….and certainly not in most “politically correct” circles. Get a hold of the “Truth Project” if you want to be adequately informed on what our Country is actually about.
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 4:53 pm
The City of Maplewood has permitted a church to hold religious services in the city’s community center every Sunday for a number of years. They hang a banner over the entrance that makes the community center appear to be a church. I’d like to see the city tell the church it’s time to move along and get their own building. I want the right to choose to support a religion – and the religion of my choice – not have to support it by force via taxes.
Comment posted September 7, 2009 @ 8:24 pm
Yes Mary – Focus On The Family is a great source for what our Country is actually about, more so than anything the founders actually said or wrote, they were just kidding.
“The program( The Truth Project) is a slick, media-rich presentation of the Christian worldview according to … Focus on the Family, including their views on philosophy, science, and sociology. It pushes a strong bifurcation between “the true worldview” and “the false worldviews,” arguing both that there is a crisp division between the two and that the program represents the former side impeccably. It is claimed that the views of (Focus on the Family) represent reality, while those who disagree subscribe to “pernicious lies.”"
I wonder if they mention why Jesus isn’t named directly in the founding documents…
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 9:30 am
How do you get from rules about remembering the sabbath day to government instituted by the people for the protection of their rights? I have never seen a picture of Moses coming down the mountain with the 10 Commandments in any building other than a church. There is a profile of Moses in the US House Chamber, but he shares the space with (among others)Hammurabi, Napoleon, and George Mason as one of the great lawgivers of history.
The references to God in the Declaration of Independence are references to a generic, amorphous deity, left vague to satisfy the religiously observant and the less-churched Enlightenment types also present and active in the drafting. The only reference to God in the US Constitution is in the date of ratification.
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 1:32 pm
I don’t see why not, we already support the religion of humanism to be freely taught and worshipped at all public schools.
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 4:56 pm
Which class was that in? Humanism? I don’t remember that…
Comment posted September 8, 2009 @ 11:52 pm
The use of government buildings for Christian church services ought not to be a matter of controversy. The founders of our nation set the precedent, employing the U. S. Capitol regularly for Sunday church services of various Christian denominations from 1795 until after the Civil War. As many as four services would be held there on a Sunday. Presidents such as Jefferson, Madison and Lincoln, along with numerous members of Congress are recorded as regular attenders. John Quincy Adams wrote that he considered attendance at these Christian services at the Capitol to be part of his “public duty.” These matters of historical record, along with a plethora of other government endorsements of the Christian religion, clearly and unequivocally demonstrate that America was founded by people who understood that the state should support Christianity. Their concern was to not establish a state-sponsored Christian denomination, a state church. Organizatons such as the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State choose to ignore America’s overt Christian heritage.
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 10:24 am
What seems to be missing from the article, and from this discussion, is the issue of freedom of speech. The Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that when a public facility is opened as a public forum for one group, it must be opened for all groups. To deny use of the facility, which has already been opened, for worship services is unconstitutional restriction of freedom of speech. Citizens who attend such worship services have the same rights as members of the Lions Club or any other civic group.
Dave: As to the Truth Project, it is well done (why is it when liberals do something well, it’s professional but when conservatives do something well, it’s slick), but it simply a presentation of FACTS that are rarely mentioned or remembered today. The reason you don’t remember the class in humanism is because it’s so woven into the fabric of late 20th century/21st Century education it doesn’t need it’s own class. You, pretty clearly, are a product of that educational system
Comment posted September 9, 2009 @ 4:26 pm
Well Ken, if humanism requires the teaching of FACTS, then I guess I am a proud product of that educational system. It’s great that you appreciate the teaching of FACTS.
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 9:57 pm
Well, perhaps if we had more “focus on the family”…we would’t be in the mess we are in here in America. I think even most people…Christian or not, would agree that our values system is on the decline in this country and we are now reaping the consequences. When you have a humanistic world view…aka, “I am the center of all” “survival of the fittest” …you have no need for a moral compass….thus no objective ethics remain. And we all know where having a non-ethical point of view can lead.
Even so, I feel very blessed to be in a country where all views are welcome…even if they are ill-informed….as long as they are in a context of mutual respect….maturity. Glad to hear Dave that you at least googled The Truth Project…that’s farther than most get when faced with an opposing view on Reality. Most either bury their heads in the sand or if your the average liberal, stomp around in a tantrum, throwing fists at your opponent while trying to change the subject because everything you have been led to believe is challenged and turns up false. However, your response would actually be of more value if you had taken a step further and actually informed yourself completely on the Truth Project before offering up an opinion on it. My challenge would be to you to take a close look at it first…what do you have to lose? Who knows, you just might change your mind…if not, well at least any future opinions would be based on an educated point of view.
Oh and as far as Moses not being displayed…might I suggest another google project….try United States Capitol architecture.
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:09 pm
“When you have a humanistic world view…aka, “I am the center of all” “survival of the fittest” …you have no need for a moral compass….thus no objective ethics remain.”
If that’s true, then why is it that the most egregious ethical lapses in recent history were committed by Christians?
How about this one: Preemptive war. The Christian responsible actually said “God told me to invade Iraq.” No “humanist” in American history can top that one.
How about all the Christian organizations (Minnesota Family Council, for example) supporting the Republicans in preventing any health care reform from happening, when the only real reason to keep the status quo is to maintain outrageous profit from doing nothing more than handling money? Real families without health insurance is a dilemna that can kick them out of their homes. Ever been without insurance with little kids, Mary? Where’s the focus on the family there? I know families where the parents work multiple jobs just to make the basic ends meet – kinda hard to be a parent when you can’t be there – where’s the focus on the family there?
It’s no humanistic conspiracy to choose profits over ethics, Mary. There’s no shortage of Christians failing to hesitate to make that choice.
Comment posted September 10, 2009 @ 11:18 pm
Strange a Focus On The Family follower would mention the United States Capitol… it’s a freaking Masonic Temple.
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:02 pm
@Dave – Humanism is a declared religion which is illegally being taught in the public schools, a direct violation of church and state, therefore you are only a product of religious convictions that were illegally taught to you.
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:17 pm
Tim – please explain what, in my posts above, are examples of humanism, and not christian.
Comment posted September 11, 2009 @ 4:27 pm
What is a declared religion? Is there an address for an organization of some kind that represents the humanistic religion? Maybe with a religious exemption certificate from the IRS?
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:57 am
Dave…by egregious ethical lapses, I assume you are talking about the Crusades as an example. This in fact, proves my point on what can happen when one sphere of influence in society gains too much power….especially a sphere that also holds the sword. It has happened in the religious sphere (ex the Crusades) and now it’s happening in our governmental sphere. Does one justify the other?
Iraq…you don’t honestly believe one Christian was responsible for the war?? The presence of evil in this world is responsible for war…period. Many mistakes have been made in Iraq but don’t pin the whole idea on one Christian. And don’t tell me that my nephew, a Marine, is going over there to fight for nothing. And as far as no American Humanist can top that…you may be correct in saying American…but take look into history and you will find a particular German humanist who most will agree IS CERTAINLY at the top of ANY list of atrocities. …Hitler was in fact obsessed with Darwinian Theory. (another shocker…they are one and the same…Humanists and Darwinians)
Been without insurance? …Why as a matter of fact Dave I have. I have also been at the bottom of the food chain in many aspects. Including having a baby when I was 17 and single…losing both my parents before I was 20. Drive and determination (not the government) was what helped me get through not only the rest of high school, but college as well. I married shortly after that and had another child but then in my early 30’s, it got even crazier….I lost my husband, my job, MY HEALTH INSURANCE, my license because I couldn’t afford auto insurance, remained unemployed for nearly a year and only by God’s Grace, was I able to sell my home before it foreclosed and the bottom fell out of the housing market….only to end up homeless and living on a couch at my brothers.
So Dave, I do know a bit about suffering. I spent many months at the local food shelf trying to find a meal to feed my kids. Where was Focus on the Family? Right there along with Jesus Dave, every step of the way….only I didn’t reach out and see it. It took awhile, but seeing the Truth is finally what set me and my family free. Honestly, I don’t think I would have survived otherwise. And now, it’s still not easy street for me. I DO know what it’s like to work not just 2 jobs but 3 to support my family. It’s not my government’s job to do this…it’s mine. And frankly, I have received more help from my local place of Worship than I ever did from Uncle Sam. Social programs are a great blessing but only because they can be chosen by free will…not mandated. I guarantee you, hypothetically the minute the government would step in to tell those food shelves…I so often visited…where and what we can eat based on this or that criteria…the purpose will collapse. Just as health-care is destined to if the government gets a hold of it.
My solution to Health-Care? …Go after the problem..Health Insurance COMPANIES. Our government ought to get back into the business of actually governing and pass some laws (with real teeth) to prevent the HMO’s from robbing us blind…and then actually enforce them. Maybe then we can afford to put more of our dollars into RESPONSIBLE social programs to help those who are uninsured.
And for the record…I am not a Focus on the Family follower…I am a Jesus Christ follower, Focus on the Family is an organization that provides an amazing amount of positive support TO ME, in my daily battle to survive in this mixed up world.
The Capitol being a Masonic Temple? Hmm..something to look into….well then, what better place to regain a foothold of prayer to get that old satanic influence out of there! Thanks Dave for giving me more to pray about!
Finally Dave….This is THE ULTIMATE FACT ~ One day every knee will bow…it’s just a matter of when. I have been, and will continue to pray that you will too, before it’s too late.
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 2:21 am
This is funny:
“Iraq…you don’t honestly believe one Christian was responsible for the war?? The presence of evil in this world is responsible for war…period.”
Well, since no new U.S. Military operations occur without the Commander-in Chief’s orders, no one else could be responsible. But you say evil must have forced his hand, huh? That’s not even what the President said. He said “God told me to invade Iraq.” So was he listening to God, or to evil? No one else made that decision for him; he admitted that it was his decision. I hope that you are nothing more than just confused.
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You are definitely confused about Hitler; while he and the Nazis did work to subjugate the power of the church over the population of Germany, here’s some of the things he said:
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. ”
“The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will. ”
“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . .”
Sounds like the kind of wonderful messages you can hear on FOTF’s radio shows…
I was not asking if you knew of suffering, Mary. I was pointing out that you support those who help perpetuate the unfair system we have – and that definitely includes FOTF and similar groups. Only liberals talk about living wage jobs; it’s only because we have a liberal in the white house (allegedly) that anything is being done about health care reform. Conservatives who claim to have a better idea are dishonest – they already did their best when they had complete control over the government for 4 years – NOTHING.
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 12:23 pm
And the tantrum begins… predictable.
As I said Dave, I’ll continue to pray for you. One day everyone will know the Truth. I’d rather live my life believing there is a God and my salvation rests in Him, and if I happen to find out in the end there isn’t, well, not really a big deal is it? ….then to live my life believing there isn’t and then find out I was terribly wrong. Eternity is a terrible gamble to make….I’d lay my bets on the first.
2 Corinthians Chapter 4 ~ Our Treasures in Jars of Clay. This is the Truth I will rest in.
Comment posted September 12, 2009 @ 3:35 pm
“Tantrum”???
Feel free to tell me where my facts and logic are wrong, Mary – you wouldn’t want me to be deceived, would you?
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 12:08 am
Well Dave, it appears we have found some common ground afterall! ….Unfortunately, it’s that we both appear to have the verocious need to get the last word in…
As for myself…think I need some time with God allowing Him to correct that in me.
So with that said, I am putting an end to my part in this discussion. I’ve enjoyed our debate on worldviews but I feel I have said all I can say at this juncture to try to persuade you to look at how you are in fact being decieved. The next step is up to you…and it starts with opening up your heart to Jesus. Until you do, all will remain veiled. And, your right Dave I honestly would not want that for you. Because I, along with your Creator, care about you.
After I prayed for you this morning, I felt the Lord wanted me to tell you one more thing before I go…. As long as you put all your hope into man, you will never be satisfied.
Comment posted September 13, 2009 @ 11:44 am
No, I don’t need to have the last word. Just hoping you might answer my question.
“The next step is up to you…and it starts with opening up your heart to Jesus. Until you do, all will remain veiled. ” You are clearly confused about what “all will remain veiled” means.
Let me sum up your arrogant prayer: “God, please manipulate and control this person until their life resembles something I think it should.”
But still, feel free to tell me where my facts and logic are wrong.
Comment posted September 15, 2009 @ 4:25 pm
I wonder if Mary can explain how our system of government was based on the Ten Commandments when the 1st Commandment and the 1st Amendment are diametrically opposed.
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me…”
“…the right of free expression shall not be abridged…”
I’m sick to death of the ill-informed, who think David Barton has never told a lie, making claims that are clearly and demonstrably false.
And as a humanist, whatever that means, since humanism is a religion, please tell me to which deity I should be directing my prayers each day. I’m confused by that.
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