Pawlenty might invoke the 10th Amendment to stop health care reform

Hey seniors, Tim Pawlenty wants to take away your Medicare….

I guess Timmy missed Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution which states: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Obama slashes Medicare in 2010 for Heart, Cancer Docs — Media Silent

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=apv3pcTOWVjk

These specialty cuts are above and beyond the 2010 across the board 21% cuts in Medicare Physician reimbursement :

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/03/02/gvl10302.htm

DHS recently classified a broad group of state’s rights conservatives as ‘Right Wing Extremists’. We are now entering dangerous times.

Since mainstream journalists are usually incapable of asking intelligent questions, here’s one they can use if/when the producers of this document are ever interviewed.
Your document labels “those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority” as Right Wing Extremists.

Would you also consider the following statement to be extreme? “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ” (10th Amendment)

Everybody line up for Two Minutes Hate!

I guess someone ought to also tell Turbotax Tim Geithner about that “Power To lay and collect Taxes” thing along with a certain Hamline professor…
silly peasants…taxes are for little people.

Hey Rakkasan1:
Please stick with one username, per our comment policy.
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The governments right to lay and collect taxes is one thing….but forcing people to buy something, and then fining them if they dont, is whole different ballgame. Smells unconstitutional to me and we should not go down this road no matter what. You say that government makes us buy other things in life? Not True. We have a choice in all other purchases. There is no other item that we are forced to buy or get fined! Car insurance you say? Take a bus.

I have wondered what the governors were waiting for. This is obviously a big power grab for the feds to take over a power that states now have which is more serious even than 10th amendment. Because each state already has regulation, there is no need for federal. Two states have even passed laws that Obamacare will not be valid there, Texas and Arizona.

I find it interesting how States Rights are only invoked by the Right when it reinforces their position. Wasn’t it just a week or so ago that Bachmann was saying we should “erase state lines” and allow people to buy insurance from any company in the country to bypass state laws? Or how they want a Federal law to nullify laws that States passed regarding same sex marriage.

The general welfare clause is not license for the federal government to do anything it wishes; specifically, it cannot be read as abrogating federalism, specifically the 10th amendment. In fact, arguably, the 10th amendment puts some SIGNIFICANT restraints on the clause. Only someone ignorant of the Constitution and the law would suggest otherwise. Which is to say, someone “educated” in America, as perverse as that situation may be.

I would love to see a massive, 10th amendment-focused backlash against this nonsense. Let’s lay things out on the table and really have a look at how substantially the left has thrown out the Constitution, starting with FDR. It’ll be a great foundation for the coming secession movements, which by the way, are COMPLETELY justified.

Uh, couple more points.

1) Ridding the marketplace of the artificial regulations that forbid interstate competition in the insurance markets is hardly an argument against federalism. Sheesh.

2) Calling for a Constitutional amendment is, similarly, not against federalism. It’s a suggestion that the ordinary, original, mechanisms be brought to bear on the question. Not terribly likely that the original federalists would have provided such a mechanism had they believed it to be inconsistent with federalism.

It would be terribly helpful to the national debate over such issues if people were not totally ignorant of the nation’s laws.

Or, in the alternative, we could restore federalism so that it doesn’t matter so much that the citizens are ignorant, because the various levels of government would be addressed to questions proper for their respective levels. For instance, in such a scheme, the federal government WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SOMETHING LIKE HEALTHCARE.

[...] what is surely a pander to a rigid, ideologically conservative base, Governor Tim Pawlenty suggested invoking “states rights” to exempt Minnesota from President Obama’s bold health care initiative. Constitutional debate [...]

Okay, enough, enough. I HEREBY DECREE (hey, if you can wear a tinfoil hat and make silly pronouncements, so can I) that “government health care” may ONLY be protested by those who are not receiving any Medicare, VA, or congressional health benefits. Anyone in these categories who wishes to protest the notion of government health care must publicly reject these benefits for him- or herself.

Whaddaya think?

(And “socialism!” may only be raised as a cry of alarm by those who are not receiving any Social Security benefits, and who have signed an ironclad agreement never to accept any.)

Sounds like the most reasonable thing I’ve read so far on this page, Steve.

Well, except for “I find it interesting how States Rights are only invoked by the Right when it reinforces their position.”

Sam

Last time I checked, social security checks go mostly to folks who who actually paid for them. So how does accepting your own money nullify your right to protest the involuntary transfer of one’s own money to someone else in a completely different government scheme?

[...] this is the basis for various sovreignty amendments, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty’s rejection of the health care bill, and Texas Governor Rick Perry’s opposition to the [...]

Brilliant… Do what ever it takes to Vote NO on this Health Care BIll. We work hard for the right to have what we feel we need. We do not like to be threatened with fines and imprisionment for not choing what the government thinks is best for us.
This is not the way to help those in need of health care. This only helps creates the socialistic system destroying the American way of life. Stop this.