The battle for Pine County: Obama lost in the woods?
Thursday, August 21, 2008 at 7:53 pm
John Jansen is not impressed with either of the major presidential candidates. “It’s a real hard choice,” says Jansen a 63-year-old retired electrician who lives in Pine City. “You’ve got the dumbkopf military clown, McCain. He’s too old.”
That sentiment, coupled with a belief that the No. 1 issue facing the country is providing every American with health insurance, would make Jansen seem like an ideal Barack Obama voter. But he’s actually ruled out voting for the Illinois senator. “Obama is real hard for an individual to vote for,” he says. “Why? Experience and race. I don’t want to sugarcoat it.”
Jansen is standing in the parking lot of the Wal-Mart Supercenter in Pine City on Monday afternoon. He wears blue jeans and a blue T-shirt with a pack of Pall Malls stuffed in the pocket. Asked if he’d be comfortable voting for a black candidate, Jansen doesn’t mince words. “Not really,” he says. A stint working in the Twin Cities during the ’70s and ’80s apparently left him with an unfavorable impression of African Americans. “I drove a cab in St. Paul,” he says. “I’ve seen things that should turn anybody’s belly.”
Jansen says he’ll ultimately decide on one of the candidates. “I’ll vote,” he promises. “It’s just going to be a gut call.” Then he suggests that he’d be more comfortable with a former Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards. “A girlfriend here and there,” he scoffs, “what the fuck?”
Pine County is one of the most closely contested regions in the state of Minnesota. In 2004 Democrat John Kerry eked out a 95-vote victory over President George W. Bush there. It’s swing counties like this one that will help to determine whether Obama can keep Minnesota in the Democratic column for the 12th consecutive presidential election.
Democrats swamped Republicans in caucus turnout in Pine County, with nearly twice as many participants. But while Obama trounced Hillary Clinton statewide, the rivals battled to a dead heat in the county, with each garnering support from 268 caucus attendees. “I scratched my head over it,” says Democratic state Sen. Tony Lourey, who represents the area. “There was a lot to be said for both of them. Obama has the ability to inspire, which is something I think this nation truly needs. But Hillary is a known quantity.”
Interviews around Pine County this week, just prior to the start of the Democratic and Republican conventions, suggest that the Obama campaign may have considerable work to do if it’s going to hold onto the region. Race, experience and the candidate’s unusual background make his presidential bid a tough sell for some voters.
Pine County is the local equivalent of flyover country for many Minnesotans, a flat, sparsely populated stretch of land that Twin Cities residents motor through via I-35 on their way to Duluth, the Boundary Waters and other points north. Its most notable attraction is Grand Casino in Hinckley, a football-field sized smorgasbord of slot machines operated by the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe that is also the county’s largest employer.
The population of just over 28,000 is overwhelmingly white (94 percent), with Native Americans comprising the largest minority group (3 percent). The median household income of $39,663 lags well behind both Minnesota as a whole ($51,202) and the entire United States ($44,334). Pine County consistently boasts some of the highest rates of gun ownership and deer-hunting licenses in the state.
As the Twin Cities suburbs have gravitated north over the last two decades, Pine County has experienced a modest population boom, with the number of residents ballooning by nearly a third since 1990. There has also been a civil war of sorts taking place in the region in recent years. In 2000 voters turned back a measure that would have split the county in half. Four years later a ballot initiative to move the county courthouse from Pine City to the more centrally located Hinckley was also rejected by voters. “The last couple presidential races we’ve had these huge issues that have drawn out people,” says Thom Peterson, director of government relations for the Minnesota Farmers Union and a Pine County resident for 16 years.
The county has traditionally skewed Democratic. In 2006 Amy Klobuchar carried the region by nearly 20 points in the U.S. Senate race, while Mike Hatch outpolled Gov. Tim Pawlenty by 6 percentage points. Ideologically as well as geographically, Pine County falls somewhere between the DFL-dominated precincts of the Iron Range and the Republican-leaning districts of the Twin Cities’s northern suburbs. But the suburban migration has started to shift those allegiances. “We’ve got a lot of people moving in who are commuting to the Cities and tend to be a little more conservative voters,” says Peterson, a veteran Democratic Party activist.
Peterson was an early Obama convert after a chance meeting with the Illinois senator on a trip to Washington in 2005. The Pine County resident was attending an event put on by the Farmers Union at the Longworth House Office Building and ran into Obama in the restroom. The newly elected senator was slated to attend the same event, but wasn’t sure how to find it. So Peterson escorted him over to the reception. “We walked into the room and you could just feel the energy,” he recalls. “Every since then I was like, this guy’s got something special.”
But Peterson has been perplexed by some of the resistance he’s encountered in advocating for Obama in Pine County. “It’s shocking, but I’ve been surprised at the number of people I’ve encountered around here who will say I’m not ready to vote for a black person,” Peterson says. “You think you’re beyond that, but apparently not.”
Strong reservations about Obama aren’t hard to find at the Wal-Mart in Pine City. John Dragicevich, a 61-year-old Army veteran, describes himself as an independent leaning towards voting for McCain. “I like his position on national security, primarily, and the fact that he’s pro-life,” he says, leaning on a pole outside the store on Tuesday afternoon wearing a black baseball cap emblazoned with the words “Vietnam Veteran.” Dragicevich doesn’t believe Obama has the resume for the job. “I think he’s an inexperienced guy trying to fill a position that he’s really not qualified for,” he says.
But Dragicevich’s misgivings about Obama go beyond simply his lack of experience. “The fact that his father was a Muslim and he was raised Muslim in his early childhood years, that plays a factor,” he says. “Any president I vote for has to be a Christian. I don’t think it’s a prejudice so much. It’s just that I think our values are different.”
Jim Ekbom, a 61-year-old Pine County resident, also cites Obama’s lack of experience in explaining his preference for McCain. “He’s already come to some opinions,” he says. “Obama I think still fluctuates because he’s on a learning curve.” Ekbom believes the war in Iraq was a mistake, but he doesn’t trust Obama to halt the occupation. “I think it’s a bad war,” he says. “But once you’re in it, you have to deal with the cards that you are dealt and I think McCain’s probably the best one to bring it to a reasonable ending.”
All is not lost for Obama with Wal-Mart shoppers, however. Nancy Olsen, a 44-year-old Cloverdale resident who drives 22 miles to shop at the supercenter, says gas prices are her No. 1 issue. “It’s all about greed,” she says. “That’s all it’s about.”
Loading groceries into her green Buick, Olsen says she was initially a Clinton supporter, but is fully committed to Obama. “I’d be good with either one of them,” she says. “I think they should both be on the ticket. I think we’d have the best of both worlds.”
She does, however, think race will be a liability in Pine County and across the country. “There’s a lot of prejudiced people in the world,” says Olsen. “If he doesn’t get in, that will be the only reason.”
Down the road at Cabin Coffees, Brad Mariska says he hasn’t decided which candidate to back yet. The 28-year-old band instructor and self-described “news junkie” was a Ron Paul supporter during the primary season. McCain appeals to Mariska on economic and social issues, but he has problems with the Republican’s bellicose foreign policy views. On the other hand, he doesn’t believe Obama is offering a concrete plan for how he intends to change the country. “He doesn’t really offer anything new or different,” says Mariska. “He’s just a new and a different face and people are sort of swooning.”
Ever since McCain became the presumptive Republican nominee, there have been questions raised about his ability to motivate the GOP base, particularly Christian conservatives. But if a recent meeting of the Pine County Republican Party is any indication, he seems to have assuaged most local conservatives.
Gathered at Tobies Restaurant & Bakery in Hinckley on a Monday evening, the meeting is a contentious affair. Many of the 18 local Republicans present are upset by criticism levied by the state GOP and U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman at state senate candidate Mark Olson. The former state representative was kicked out of the Republican caucus owing to an arrest for domestic abuse. But he scored a surprising comeback earlier this month by securing the local party’s endorsement for a state senate seat.
The criticism of a GOP-endorsed candidate by state Republican bigwigs has many at the meeting peeved. “There is no excuse for party elites who believe they have more power than the grassroots,” says Michael Monte, the group’s secretary. “If we allow that to continue our freedoms are taken away from us and we are ruled by a group of elitists.”
After much debate, the Pine County Republicans pass a resolution commending party officials in Olson’s senate district for their actions.
While local Republican activists may be at loggerheads with the state party, most local party activists seem to be in accord when it comes to McCain, even though many of them supported other candidates during the primary process. “At first I wasn’t completely enthusiastic about McCain,” says Carolyn Stivers, a veteran party activist who backed Mike Huckabee during the primary season. “I didn’t know exactly where he stood on some of the value issues.”
But the Senator’s recent performance at the Saddleback Church forum, in particular, seems to have allayed any concerns. “The way he answered those questions, it showed a depth of character to me that I hadn’t realized before,” says Stivers, who cites abortion and same-sex marriage as her two top issues. “He also answered them very straight forward, no hesitation as to what he believed.”
Not surprisingly she isn’t impressed with Obama. “I think he is very intelligent, a very moving speaker,” she says. “I think he believes in socialism and wants to move the country to become a socialist country.”
But Rudy Takala, chairman of the Pine County Republicans, says not everyone is convinced of McCain’s conservative bona fides, citing his recent flirtation with picking a pro-choice running mate. “There are still some concerns,” Takala says.
But if a few days in Pine Country are any indication, Barack Obama should have a few more concerns.
“The battle for Pine County” is part of “Battleground Zero,” a four-part series by Center for Independent Media sites that profiles key counties in swing states. See links to these dispatches at the end of this story.
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6 Comments
Comment posted August 22, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
Mr. Demko, it's unfortunate that you didn't come to the Pine County DFL meeting, where you would've gotten a much different story. While Pine County republicans were busy drafting a letter in support of a convicted wife-beater, the DFL meeting , where we continually have new people signing up to volunteer for Sen Obama, we were busy discussing how to get more Obama lawn signs, we're running out! Also discussed was the great receptions we've had at the various parades throughout the county, many commenting on the fact that each year just gets better and better as far as crowd enthusiasm for the DFL float , and our candidates, grows.
Your article unfortunately painted a skewed picture of Pine County. Do we have racist bigots here, perhaps, but no more than any other county. Pine County has, for the most part, wonderful, loving people, unlike the few you interviewed at Wal-Mart. We definitely believe in strong family values, unlike one of the bigots interviewed, who thinks adultery is no big deal, and a political party unit who thinks a convicted wife-beater should be supported. We also have 3 of the finest DFL Legislator's, State Senator Tony Lourey, and Rep.'s Bill Hilty and Tim Faust.
Pine County DFL meets the 3rd Weds of every month, drop in sometime and see the real people of Pine County. Thank You, Barbra L. Peterson, Chair, Senate District 8
Comment posted August 23, 2008 @ 12:49 am
It's a little deceptive to state that Mark Olson is a “convicted wife-beater.” He was acquitted of intentionally inflicted harm. Moreover, he and his wife are back together, and his wife endorsed him in front of the convention. I generally avoid taking potshots, but considering that the Democrats once defended Bill Clinton and now nearly elected Hillary Clinton, I think it is the height of hypocrisy to show such disdain for A) spouses who reconcile and B) to try to portray their party as one that spurns adultery. (Need I also bring up Eliot Spitzer, or has the point been made?)
I believe that the odds are slated slightly against Obama in Minnesota, but not because of racism. The reason is that northern Minnesota is very conservative, and particularly our own Congressional District 8. Jim Oberstar has continued to be re-elected over the years because he often votes conservatively on social issues. He often votes pro-life and pro-second amendment. (Unfortunately, he is also one of the most massive spenders in Congress.) Barack Obama is much more liberal than anything to which northern Minnesota is accustomed. Saying that gun-owning Christians are “bitter” and bigoted because they're poor didn't help him. If that was his central campaign message, he wouldn't win more than twenty percent of the vote in Minnesota. His ability to win this state will be contingent on masking what he believes on social issues. If he continues to come across as pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun, and anti-”flyover country,” he will go down in flames as badly as our local Wal*Mart shoppers seem to be suggesting that he will.
Now on a more local note: Make what case you will for Democrats, but it should not be that they support family values. Let me use Mark Olson and Tim Faust as examples. When Mark Olson presented an amendment that would've included the promotion of marriage in sex education, your Democratic Rep. Tim Faust voted AGAINST PROMOTING MARRIAGE. When Mark Olson offered an amendment that would've allowed instructors to present negative information about homosexuality, Tim Faust voted against it. When Mark Olson voted to allow individual school districts to choose whether to offer sex education, Tim Faust voted to FORCE school districts to teach sex education.
These may be your “family values,” but they are not mine. The difference between us is that while I don't want to force my values on liberals, liberals are trying to force their values on me. It is the nature inherent to this contrasted worldview that produces Obama's biggest weakness: No one wants to have things forced on them by an individual who believes that he is better than they are. That problem may or may not cost Obama the general election, but I am more than comfortable in predicting that it will cost Obama Pine County by seven to eight hundred votes.
Comment posted August 23, 2008 @ 7:09 am
I couldn't have said i better myself. Peterson is a liberal at it's finest. Obfuscating facts with hyperbole. She distinctly singles out Olson while ignoring her own parties transgressions. Unfortunately you have a lot of people out there snowballed by the “baffle 'em with bullshit” who buy into this drivel.
Comment posted August 23, 2008 @ 7:52 am
Pioneer Press 8/14/08
Minnesota Rep. Mark Olson, a Republican who was booted from the House GOP caucus after he was convicted of domestic abuse last year, won local Republicans' endorsement for a Minnesota Senate run last week. But the Minnesota Senate Republican caucus will be supporting someone else and will not welcome him into the caucus if he wins, the caucus announced today.
A statement from the GOP caucus:
Over the last few years, too many Republican office holders, especially in Washington, were given a free pass for personal misconduct because they “voted right.” We could all recite the names. Well, it’s time we go back to holding people accountable.
Comment posted August 23, 2008 @ 7:41 pm
I talk politics with my fellow residents of Pine County daily,and I do not find that Obama is “lost in the woods”.There are some concerns about Obama, but more often there are questions concerning points like these…1-every week we hear about the hell of post-traumatic stress on our combat veterans in Iraq, and how it will change mental health all their lives to have experienced trauma,Some of them saw only minutes or days in a state of trauma,but we are asked to put a person with 5 and 1/2 years of 24/7-365 unending trauma, and put his finger on the buttons that could destroy us all. 2-We talk about race as a real issue, and age as a source of jokes about McCain,but probably not a deterent to performance as a president.Few of us would care about the color of our doctor when we went to surgery,but do you want a 72 yr old surgeon? Hell I do not want a 72 yr old to change the oil in my car,why would I want one to make decisions in the most important job in the world ? Do the majority of us think that people retire because they are as sharp as they were at 30,and just want to take a long vacation,or do we all see ourselves slow down,and hurt, and become less than we once were? 3-If age and long term torture and imprisonment do not concern you, how about job qualifications? Some people rave on about a lack of experience.Let us say you run a business,and interview two applicants of the same race and age,One was last in his class at the Naval Academy where he recieved great training in Engineering and Aviation,and has somewhat more job experience than the 2nd, who was first in his class at Harvard Law with a further degree in Political Science, Oh yea we have to add that during applicant #1's job experience, he was percieved as a maverick with a short fuse and a heavy temper,and had a financial indescretion which caused some concern a few years ago,who do you want ? A lot of us have suffered these last 8 yrs because some put more stock in wanting to have a beer with your nation's leader than if he could chew and walk.That performance has lowered the bar conciderably for the future, but let us not loose track of what we want for a President in Pine County, and everywhere else.There are 300 million of us,and only one gets the job make the right choice this time.
Comment posted August 23, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
This article reminds me of Jon Stewart's answer to the question from Larry King in a May 2008 interveiw ' Is America ready for a woman or black president?'
Jon Stewart looked at Larry King quizically and replied ' That is such a non-question. Did anyone ask us in 2000 if Americans were ready for a moron?'
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