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		<title>By: octobox</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/50418/was-birther-born-in-minnesota/comment-page-1#comment-50597</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was on dailypaul.com (by-the-by) under &quot;Octobox Obama-Birthers&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was on dailypaul.com (by-the-by) under &#8220;Octobox Obama-Birthers&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: octobox</title>
		<link>http://minnesotaindependent.com/50418/was-birther-born-in-minnesota/comment-page-1#comment-50596</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I coined the phrase &quot;Birther&quot; in Sept of &#039;08.

Officially the oldest article on the net with it&#039;s useage was 11/16/2008 and that was mine as well.

I first started calling them Obama-Truthers then I realized that truthers were not necessarily &quot;birthers&quot; so I changed it to &quot;Obama-Birhters&quot; (in Sept &#039;08) and the short-version was &quot;Birthers&quot; in Octber.

I did not mean to slight their quest for &quot;truth.&quot;

I meant to suggest that we will never find an end to gov&#039;t conspiracies against the people -- and that maybe hunting for them is a waste of time.

Never once in all human history did a nation enjoy lasting liberty based on one group defeating another group in court battles or voting/lobbying.

It only perpetuates ever larger gov&#039;t and war.

Voting and Lobbying is Perpetual Revolution
---We must get to a deep understanding of Liberty before we can rage-against-the-machine efficiently-effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I coined the phrase &#8220;Birther&#8221; in Sept of &#8217;08.</p>
<p>Officially the oldest article on the net with it&#8217;s useage was 11/16/2008 and that was mine as well.</p>
<p>I first started calling them Obama-Truthers then I realized that truthers were not necessarily &#8220;birthers&#8221; so I changed it to &#8220;Obama-Birhters&#8221; (in Sept &#8217;08) and the short-version was &#8220;Birthers&#8221; in Octber.</p>
<p>I did not mean to slight their quest for &#8220;truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I meant to suggest that we will never find an end to gov&#8217;t conspiracies against the people &#8212; and that maybe hunting for them is a waste of time.</p>
<p>Never once in all human history did a nation enjoy lasting liberty based on one group defeating another group in court battles or voting/lobbying.</p>
<p>It only perpetuates ever larger gov&#8217;t and war.</p>
<p>Voting and Lobbying is Perpetual Revolution<br />
&#8212;We must get to a deep understanding of Liberty before we can rage-against-the-machine efficiently-effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor little Birthers/Birchers, (still in denial about their failure) Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed).

Not even “Fake News” Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny.

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-oreilly-slams-orly-taitz/
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pd...

To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. 

In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. 

I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC). She wants to re-establish a family values party.

I can only hope that Taitz will resist the state collectors that will be coming to collect the $20K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor little Birthers/Birchers, (still in denial about their failure) Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed).</p>
<p>Not even “Fake News” Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny.</p>
<p><a href="http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-oreilly-slams-orly-taitz/" rel="nofollow">http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-oreilly-slams-orly-taitz/</a><br />
<a href="http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pd.." rel="nofollow">http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pd..</a>.</p>
<p>To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. </p>
<p>In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. </p>
<p>I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC). She wants to re-establish a family values party.</p>
<p>I can only hope that Taitz will resist the state collectors that will be coming to collect the $20K.</p>
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		<title>By: smrstrauss</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;The long form does exist. All he has to do is release it.&quot;

Sure it exists, but Hawaii does not send it out any more. Hawaii sends out only the Certification of Live Birth. That is what it sends to everyone, and that is what it sent to Obama when he asked for his birth certificate back in 2007.

Obama cannot show a copy of his original birth certificate because he does not have it. Hawaii has a copy of the original, but it does not send out copies of the original to anyone, not even the person who is named. It sends only the Certification, which is now the official birth certificate of  the State.

The facts on  that birth certificate have been twice confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.

Since Obama does not have a copy of the original, he cannot release it. He can ask Hawaii to release it, but that would be to ask Hawaii to do something that it does not do for everyone else, and it would be unnecessary because the Certification is  the OFFICIAL birth certificate, accepted by all the departments in Hawaii (yes, including DHHL. I asked) as proof of birth in Hawaii and accepted by  the US State Department as proof of birth in  the USA. 

The way to see a copy of the original, which will simply show that Obama was born in Hawaii as the officials said, is to get Hawaii to change the law or  the  regulations or both in order to send out copies of the original. But currently Hawaii does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;The long form does exist. All he has to do is release it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure it exists, but Hawaii does not send it out any more. Hawaii sends out only the Certification of Live Birth. That is what it sends to everyone, and that is what it sent to Obama when he asked for his birth certificate back in 2007.</p>
<p>Obama cannot show a copy of his original birth certificate because he does not have it. Hawaii has a copy of the original, but it does not send out copies of the original to anyone, not even the person who is named. It sends only the Certification, which is now the official birth certificate of  the State.</p>
<p>The facts on  that birth certificate have been twice confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.</p>
<p>Since Obama does not have a copy of the original, he cannot release it. He can ask Hawaii to release it, but that would be to ask Hawaii to do something that it does not do for everyone else, and it would be unnecessary because the Certification is  the OFFICIAL birth certificate, accepted by all the departments in Hawaii (yes, including DHHL. I asked) as proof of birth in Hawaii and accepted by  the US State Department as proof of birth in  the USA. </p>
<p>The way to see a copy of the original, which will simply show that Obama was born in Hawaii as the officials said, is to get Hawaii to change the law or  the  regulations or both in order to send out copies of the original. But currently Hawaii does not.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand this correctly,Obama and his people have provided a &quot;cerificate of live birth&quot;, but not the long form birth certificate which is verified at the time a child is born and by the doctor at the hospital where a child was born. I have also read that Obama has hired the
Perkins Coie law firm ( which employs the husband of his former PR person, Anita Dunn), to fight lawsuits that would force the release of this long form. If this is all true, then why the need for legal peotection? The long form does exist. All he has to do is release it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand this correctly,Obama and his people have provided a &#8220;cerificate of live birth&#8221;, but not the long form birth certificate which is verified at the time a child is born and by the doctor at the hospital where a child was born. I have also read that Obama has hired the<br />
Perkins Coie law firm ( which employs the husband of his former PR person, Anita Dunn), to fight lawsuits that would force the release of this long form. If this is all true, then why the need for legal peotection? The long form does exist. All he has to do is release it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its funny how people try and use familar names to try and belittle people, such as Barry.  

I have a friend named Michael.  He went by Mikey as a kid, and then mike as a young adult we all call him Michael now as an older adult.  That is what his pefered name.  

Disrespect to anyone for any reason is exactly that disgraceful.  

I thought our last president was a criminal, lower than average in IQ, and put my personal life and all of America into grave danger.

I Always refered to him as Mr. President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its funny how people try and use familar names to try and belittle people, such as Barry.  </p>
<p>I have a friend named Michael.  He went by Mikey as a kid, and then mike as a young adult we all call him Michael now as an older adult.  That is what his pefered name.  </p>
<p>Disrespect to anyone for any reason is exactly that disgraceful.  </p>
<p>I thought our last president was a criminal, lower than average in IQ, and put my personal life and all of America into grave danger.</p>
<p>I Always refered to him as Mr. President.</p>
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		<title>By: Tev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When facts are given, the crazies are at least quiet for a moment.

The point with these types of people though is that fact doesn&#039;t mean anything to them.  They need the conspiracy to live and breath.  

 

These are the same people that think every house is bugged, that little green men are going to take over the world, that baby alligators get flushed down the toilet and grow up to be overgrown green monsters in the New York Subway system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When facts are given, the crazies are at least quiet for a moment.</p>
<p>The point with these types of people though is that fact doesn&#8217;t mean anything to them.  They need the conspiracy to live and breath.  </p>
<p>These are the same people that think every house is bugged, that little green men are going to take over the world, that baby alligators get flushed down the toilet and grow up to be overgrown green monsters in the New York Subway system.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a simple google is all that is needed to get a little history down your belt.  No longer do you need to go open up the ole big dusty reference books....

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. 

Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, 

James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, 

Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) whose mother was born in England.

Herbert Hoover (1929-1933),mother were born respectively Canada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a simple google is all that is needed to get a little history down your belt.  No longer do you need to go open up the ole big dusty reference books&#8230;.</p>
<p>Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. </p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, </p>
<p>James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, </p>
<p>Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) whose mother was born in England.</p>
<p>Herbert Hoover (1929-1933),mother were born respectively Canada</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny when the birthers continue to use their same aliases when spreading their lies. If these people actually learned their American history, they would realize that Obama isn&#039;t the first president who father wasn&#039;t born in America. Anyways the only thing new now is that the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny when the birthers continue to use their same aliases when spreading their lies. If these people actually learned their American history, they would realize that Obama isn&#8217;t the first president who father wasn&#8217;t born in America. Anyways the only thing new now is that the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick to the facts, not propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick to the facts, not propaganda.</p>
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