Senate approves Lubinski, nation’s first gay U.S. Marshal

You think God, who judged Sodom & Gomorrah, will let you skate by with your crimes Minnesota?

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever you sow, that shall you also reap.” — Galatians 6:7

geez mary, way to be a bitch

i for one applaud this, both as a human being and as a christian.
when in doubt about anything, remember the golden rule: Do unto others as you would wish done unto you

Oh Mary, get off your soap box.

Get an education. And by the way Sodom and Gomorrah is really about rape.

Congratulations to Sharon Lubinksi and let equality reign across the land!

Congratulations!

SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS… NAPALITANO IS STILL IN THE CLOSET BUT SHE IS HEAD OF HOMELAND SECURITY..SO WHO REALLY CARES

I’m sure his or her (since real women prefer men, it’s hard to tell WHAT a lesbian exactly is) gayness will contribute to her/his skills as a Marshall. Yeah. That will certainly impress the criminal element he/she will be dealing with. Not to mention provide a great role model for the kids in the community. *sigh* I remember when kids used to *admire* policemen…

I’m an educated agnostic, Eric, and I know damn well that Sodom and Gomorrah was about the evils of homosexuality. At least, that’s the story as told by the Bible. Don’t know where you got YOUR story from. And as for equality…pedophiles are equal too, under the law, Eric…until they start indulging their sexual desires. So how come their perversion gets prosecuted, but homosexuals’ perversion does not? That’s hardly equal!

Heaven/Summerland/Nirvana save me from hypocrites who worship and/or quote from, not the God of the Bible, but the God they made up.

Actually, the book of Ezekiel in the bible quite clearly spells out that the sin of Sodom was greed, selfishness, and treating those who are different from you poorly.

This was also obvious in the story itself if you read it instead of parroting two passages out of context.

The passage says, “Send them out so we may know them.” much the same way that in later passages Jesus says, “Bring forth the little children so that they may know me.”

So unless you’d also like to imply that Jesus was a pedophile, I’d strongly suggest reading the entire story and perhaps the rest of the bible lest you sound like some kind of shrill and ignorant idiot.

If you want to quote the bible about homosexuality, use Leviticus but please keep in mind that in God’s eyes, eating a McBLT or wearing a cotton/wool blend sweater is roughly the same as taking it up the bum.

And how is this news? Sexuality should not even be an issue if a person is qualified to do the job they are hired for. Get on with you own life.

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Dear Paul Schmelzer,

I would have stuck to your one username policy if you hadn’r deleted my first non-profane and lucid comment on this article.

When I see a dozen comments with the same sentiment from the same IP and with multiple names, they all go. Sorry.

Make that 28 comments, including the one you signed “DykePuke” and the one indicating where you’d like to have sex with this website (?).

Yes, but you deleted my very first and solitary comment that did NOT include ANY profanity. Pls look over your deletions. I will now stop posting. But still think articles discussing abnormal sexual behavior (that is how a scientist would classify this behavior in animals) as relevant to a job hiring is a foem of grooming MY CHILDREN to view this as normal. It is not!

As an ‘educated agnostic’ I am surprised that ‘Sterling Tiger’, can’t differentiate between pedophiles and homosexuals.

Pedophilia is a crime, and considered deviant sexual behavior, because it victimizes children who are unable to give consent. Any casual examination of criminal statistics will show you that the VAST majority of pedophiles are strait, white men. This also applies to the false argument that equates homosexuality to sex with ducks as animals are also incapable of giving consent.

If gay and lesbian relationships are between consenting adults, they can do whatever makes them happy.

Why is her “gayness” even an issue.

How does her sexual preference have anything to do with her capabilities? Her qualifications seem to be stellar. ‘m a tough guy who’s known a lot of ladies that could kick my cracker a**.

I doubt very seriously she is the first gay US Marsha. I think they left out the word “openly”. Still big whoop, can she do her job?

Just what we need another homo/lesbo in law enforcement. She probably only got her job as a cop because of queer affirmative action. What is she going to do throw flowers at the bad guys?

Funny how the religious will so often try to use ‘science’ to justify their preconceptions.

FWIW, ‘abnormal’ does not mean ‘bad’ it means ‘not normal’.

In most of the world, Christianity is ‘abnormal’ (not the default religion)

In most of the world, women don’t shave their underarms. Many american women (though fewer lesbians than straight women) are abnormal.

The majority of men in the world are uncircumcised. You’re probably abnormal and your parents probably had an abnormal (and unnatural) desire to mutilate your penis.

For that matter… Lifetime monogamy is almost unheard of for mammals and only rarely for other animals. It’s even pretty abnormal if you consider the entire history of the human race. Men of the modern age are quite sexually abnormal.

There are hundreds of documented cases of homosexuality in animals including entire colonies of lesbian seagulls.

If you are going to cry out with science as a justification for nonsense at least do us the decency of using terms correctly instead of coming across as baseless and irrational. … It’s almost like you have an abnormal obsession or something. ;)

**Pedophilia is a crime, and considered deviant sexual behavior, because it victimizes children who are unable to give consent.**

Tell that to the NMBLA, or North American Man Boy Love Association, which also wants to be “equal” under the law, and whose cause has been taken up by the ACLU. In time, it could very well be that, just as some in the gay community are trying to redefine marriage, pedophilia will likewise be redefined as being between two consenting PEOPLE, as opposed to two consenting adults. If a young “underage” boy chooses to have sexual relations with an older man, then why should society step in to stop it?

This is a sad fact: Once society decides to accept one form of perversion/deviancy, all the rest will follow in the same path, seeking legitimacy.

And I dug out my old Bible studybook and found this in Jude 1:7 – “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange (Greek: different, other) flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” Now if you don’t believe all that, fine. Your choice. But people who try to act like some Christians are ignorant troglodytes make me tired. Devout Christians do study the Bible much more than those people who just grab a few lines from it and re-translate it to suit their own sensibilities. Call the Bible a load of BS if you like, but stop trying to act like you’re a scholar.

The other thing that makes me tired is when people try to compare sexual deviancy to eating bacon or wearing a certain type of fabric. There’s a difference between standards of behavior and local customs, and Biblical scholars and lay people know the difference. It’s the outsiders who can’t seem to grasp it.

**There are hundreds of documented cases of homosexuality in animals including entire colonies of lesbian seagulls**

Interesting. What’s even more interesting is that such behavior in those seagulls, et al, is being called unnatural in the book “Our Stolen Future”, a book about environmental pollution that has a forward by none other than Al Gore. And why do the authors of that book – and by extension, Al – believe that homosexuality in animals is unnatural? Because they believe that gay behavior in animals is caused by human pollution.

Mind you, they don’t blame gayness in humans on pollution, though. In humans it’s perfectly natural. And if you can believe that contradiction, you shouldn’t find passages in the Bible much of a stretch.

Sardon,

My use of the word abnormal was completely correct. I do NOT want this “not normal” behavior pawned off to our youth as somehow being normal and acceptable. It is not. You can spin it anyway you’d like, but the bottom line is nature did not designed for a man and a man or a woman and a woman to be having mock or pseudo sex. BTW any homosexuality by definition cannot reproduce, so you equally abnormal animal behavior falls short of a coherent argument for gay sex. Get real. It’s gross–bottom line.

I’m pretty sure NAMBLA is a joke not unlike Landover Baptist Church, but even if it’s for real it seems funny you’d single it out and say nothing of the many mormons who’re okay with men having several little girls as their brides or David Koresh, Jim Jones, or dozens of Catholic priests who’ve cloaked themselves in the gospel to hide their vile desires. As far as pedophiles go, it seems Christianity is far more in need of condemnation for it than gays.

And yes, you’re reading one passage of one translation to get the statement you want. Tell me. In the story of Sodom and Gomorrha, how many times does God mention how uncharitable corrupt and gluttonous the people of those cities are? I count about five times for each of them whereas you can only get a story of homosexuality by loosely translating ONE line. That Lot would give up his daughters only speaks to the fact that women were considered property by people of the time. He might just have well offered up a fatted cow. ‘Orgy’ has historically had more to do with eating than sex. Any scholar could tell you that.

You assume of course that I am an outsider or that like you, I am prooftexting from scripture rather than having read multiple versions of the book and related scriptures. It is a bad assumption. I also did not call the bible ‘a load of BS’ as you would with your words in an attempt to discredit my statement.

As for a difference of standards. Clearly. I mean, Lot, who is willing to prostitute out his daughters is a ‘good man’ and later he has wholesome incestuous sex with them after they drug him into a stupor for truly they are righteous.

However, on the matter of Levitican law (which was rather sensible health code for a society that barely understood how disease worked and which had no refrigeration or soap) the bible rather clearly states that both are ‘abominations’ and you shall be considered unclean for a fortnight. Whereas masturbation only makes you unclean for a day.

Ignoring of course that this is old testament law and was supposedly rendered null and void by Jesus.

If you’re so weary of defending a position which many religious scholars disagree with you on, why not ask yourself what you believe you’re gaining by carrying on your crusade. Better yet. Ask yourself this: Are you acting as Christ would act? Do you let your heart overflow with love and compassion for the world around you? Is that truly what motivates you on this subject?

Once long ago, I shouted at someone, “The best thing about f*gg*ts and d*k*s is that they can’t reproduce.” I said this to a woman who had been sterile long before she had fallen in love with another woman and who she was at that time, standing beside her wheelchair, watching her companion of many years waste away from cancer. I cannot forget the very real hurt I saw in her eyes. If it was God’s will to punish those two people, then they were punished more than I pray I will ever have to bear but it was not my place to be their judge and I was not acting in love and compassion for my fellow beings. I know in my heart that the words I shouted contained not an ounce of love and I can only hope that if I work long enough and hard enough to speak words of love and compassion that I can be forgiven for the coldness of my heart.

I’ve studied many other religions since that time in my life, expanded my reading of gospels well beyond what I was taught in Sunday school and the more I’ve read of Christ the less I’ve come to trust the bible even even less do I trust the agenda our preacher had in reading selected pieces in his Sunday sermons. God cannot be the petty and vindictive being described in that book.

Ask yourself this: What kind of God would give children to Hindus and Buddhists, knowing full well these children would be raised as such and that they might never see a Christian or hear word of Jesus that would then punish them for their ignorance? And if that God were the true God, would you worship him or see him as a petty and cruel being? No. God can only be as Jesus spoke. Loving and forgiving with infinite compassion. Those who try to lead a good life, care for their family and friends, their community, this world and all the things in it. Even if they aren’t perfect, so long as they’ve tried and loved and laughed, do you really think God will forsake them? Would you get on your knees for a God that was anything less or would you find the courage to stand against a cruel tyrant?

I know which I would chose.

Why is this even news? who the hell cares.

Sterling,

Your comparison to pedophilia betrays your agenda and intellectual dishonesty. The distinction between adults and minors is a fundamental concept in our legal system – this is why they cannot vote, for example. If one is not given the basic right to vote, surely we don’t believe in their ability to consent to risky activities, like driving, alcohol, tobacco, and sex.

Unless you believe homosexuals lack the capacity to make informed decisions for themselves, your opinion of their “deviance” is childish and irrelevant.

Sterling dear, I know that you find ‘facts’ incredibly convenient bludgeons to use in lieu of actual thought but do at least try to understand what you’re attempting to wield.

First off, you’re quoting Al Gore who, last I checked, had a degree in media not in avian biology. IE, he knows how to make noise in TV and print. That hardly makes him an expert on anything else.

Second, anyone who has ever owned a dog can tell you they will attempt to hump anything that moves and horses and bulls are much the same. (I grew up working on my grandparents farm and have seen this behavior countless times) So calling it ‘unnatural’ is rather a stretch.

Now what Gore was likely trying to say is that we have introduced stresses and pollutants that have increased this behavior for some animals. The seagulls in question are likely paired because it increases their odds of raising a chick to adulthood successfully. There is good evidence to suggest that’s true and in that case. So what? Do you think the same stresses and pollutants aren’t affecting human populations? With over SIX BILLION humans on the planet does it really seem wise for us to keep going off into breeding pairs? If homosexuality is putting the brakes on human beings destroying the entire planet, then I’m all for it! Let’s give tax breaks to gays and make straight people pay more taxes for having too many children. Rather clever of God or Nature or whatever you want to call it to have that kind of forethought don’t you think?

Congratulations! Look at her record, and you’ll know why she was chosen. The most qualified. Effective and honored. Way to go!

Wow, is there no topic that cannot be hijacked for a good political/religious/pseudo science/half a***d theological rant?

If the person is qualified and willing, they get to do the job.

Brava!

If the newest US Marshall was nominated and appointed to the job because she is gay, there is a problem. I would hope that she was the most qualified for the job. When are we going to stop attaching ‘labels’ to a person. The most important thing ought to be their qualifications. If that isn’t, I can only repeat what Robert Mitchum said in The Longest Day, “So help us, God.”

Sardon is one smart person!!!

The reason it is news is because there is still not equality, because they are still making strides so every time a barrier is broken it makes news. Just like when there was the first woman in space or the first African American president! She did not get the job BECAUSE she is a lesbian, but the fact that she was not overlooked or barred from getting the job because she is a lesbian, is a step in the right direction!

To sarden,

Thank you for maintaining a level-head while educating such blocks of wood. Your words have done more to give me confidence than anything else in a long while.

Truly, you are a light in a dark and ignorant world.

Thank you,
-PQ

Who cares if she’s gay/hetero? These labels don’t make a person’s capabilities. If she is good for this very important post, so be it. Congratulations on her nomination.

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Who gives a flying f*ck what your “Good Book” says? Keep your ignorant proselytizing to yourself and this world would be such a better place for everyone. (Just ask the millions of indigenous peoples who have been forcefully converted or murdered over the centuries)
Good for Sharon. She knows who she is and isn’t afraid of folks like you.

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Well Spoken Steven!
This world has lived many lives and God this entity that so many look up to especially in times of despair, would not approve of Mary’s bigotry comment. I am so tired of people using God and the bible as ammo for the living rights of others. When did God become a weapon? Sexuality has nothing to do with Sharon Lubinkski’s appointment. Or maybe her strength and success comes from being herself and in return was blessed with a new higher position that protects all of us. Yes, I said blessed for I don’t think Mary that you and other bigot Christians or religious people, really know the meaning of humanity, blessings, spirituality, and why we exist. We are here to live, breath, and care for one another. For if we do not, we destroy ourselves and it will not be God’s doing. Take responsibility for your own opinions and thoughts for you and no one else is God.

Blessings to all! Congratulations on your success Sharon!