Opponents slam Bachmann on Social Security, Medicare plan

Wow the thing that you missed the most in the whole paragraph that really strikes out at me is that she takes Beck seriously.

Thank you! Thank you! It’s about time somebody stopped the BIGGEST Ponzi scheme of all time. This makes Maddoff look like an Angel.

I’m so proud of the Tea Partiers who are looking out for their Grandchildrean and will keep what they have put into it.

If you are 18 you don’t pay into. Those who have start to get weened off or have tax credits to pay them back. At least that will be better then what was done to Maddoff’s victims.

Conservative is Sexy!!!

Ponzi scheme is right. If those freeloading seniors can’t make it on their own, they don’t deserve food, rent, or medicine on my dime.

Like me, Michelle is a true American. I am charged with taking care of me and mine, anything else is liberalism, socialism, fascism, communism, class warfare, and wealth redistributionism, and all violate the Consitution, too.

U guys r nuts, “They dont deserve food or rent or medicine?” whay are we in russia we are the one of the richest countries in the world and we cant keep social security or medicare going? r u kidding me? please!! this is just another way for republicans to scare the hell out of americans and thinking the democratic party is just spending ur money stupidly.First wich party put into effect an medicare plan in 2003 that did have means of being paid for? wich party had us in 2 wars with know means of paying for them when the dems took congress they walked into a 3 trillion dollar debt. (mind u back in 2000 the last time dems where in office they left the country with a 200 billion dollar surplus) and now bachmann and other republicans now want to critizes over how moneys being spent come on people use some common sense.

Nice hatchet job on Bachmann. One paragraph with her statement and 10 paragraphs slamming her. Than at the very end her full statement. Why is she the only Politician with enough guts to see a bankrupt system and want to do something about it? I would love to see Social Security and Medicare be replaced by something better that I control. We need more Politicians like Michele Bachmann.

Lets see her begin with her own pension. And as far the rejection of social security being an intergenerational transfer. Sure, I didn’t like paying taxes for your schools, healthcare, streets and all of the other things you x & y gens grabbed from my paycheck but what goes around comes around. I’ll tell you this, my employer paid and I paid into this fund and the government used the money for general revenue paying little interest. Now it is my turn to draw on an account that should be more solid than my ripped off 401k and the equity in my home; all gone to fat cats in banking, insurance, auto mfgs, pharmaceutical and healthcare companies that bought our elected representatives. Look who the lobbyists court; I guarantee you will find a name in this article who accepted, now lets see her put her money where her mouth is with her own PENSION.

Gee, freeloader? I’ve racked up nearly 300,000$ in contributions to SSI/Medicare. THAT was my retirement investment. Go jump in a lake.

I would like anyone who states that the United States is the richest country in the world to explain that to me. My personal net worth is greater than the United States, in fact anyone who has more assets than liabilities can make that claim. What make our country great is not its wealth but the freedoms we claim. We grant authority to the government not the other way around. The problems that we face stem from the real ponzi scheme which is The Federal Reserve System and fractional banking. If you do not know why the Federal Reserve is a ponzi scheme log onto Youtube.com, and search for The Creature from Jekyll Island. You should see G. Edward Griffin presentation of his book by the same name. It is a detective story that reveals gets to the root of most of the nations money woes.

I would LOVE IT if someone would step up to the plate and work for ending Social Security and Medicare. I would vote for them in a heartbeat. When did we abandon the idea that people can take care of themselves? When did we stop expecting it of them?

For crying out loud, no I don’t feel sorry for seniors. If you have had your whole life to work and save, yet have failed to do so, why is that someone else’s problem? If you’ve always been a deadbeat, too bad. You don’t automatically get my sympathy just because you are now an OLD deadbeat. Anyone can save up enough to spend the last FEW years of their lives not having to work. But no one should be entitled to a 25-year retirement at the expense of other people. You want it, you pay for it. Otherwise you are just stealing retirement away from someone else.

Demographically, the number one correlator to wealth in the USA is age. Most of these geezers have plenty of money, and it’s been 15 or 20 years since they got back everything they paid into the system. Yet there they sit, year after year, barely having to touch their own savings, because the younger generations are sacrificing their own old-age security for the current crop of bluehairs. No better than welfare queens.

In those RARE cases where a government check is the only thing keeping an old person off a cat food diet, then there are food stamps and other welfare programs they can get on. But that does not mean we have to have the biggest Ponzi scheme in history forced on us.

When Ms Bachmann unequivocally signs away her own future Medicare and Social Security payments, AND quits taking (and repays!) the annual quarter-million she gets from the government for NOT farming, I’ll be inclined to pay more attention to her. Till then, she’s just another blowhard hypocrite trying to claw her way to political success over the backs of those least able to defend themselves.

Thank you Michelle Bachman!

The retiring people would not lose their money!This is the false rhetoric and propaganda of the big government proponents!!

Medicare’s + PART D =Unfunded liabilities is 93 TILLION dollars.
Social Security = Unfunded liabilities =14 TRILLION dollars.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

We should wean people off the medicare system to start and those who paid in should get what they are promised by means of continued services (those above the age cutoff), vouchers or a full refund to an individual account. I am pro choice for adults to choose their own path and not be forced to contribute into this govt ponzi scheme An age line should be drawn and the younger generations (including myself) should start individual plans to save money for retirement and/or health care using savings vehicles such as a annuities or any other savings instrument.
http://healthcare.cato.org/medicare-medicaid

Its not a “Screw the old people” program but the leftists would have you believe that trash… Wake up, we need to phase it out fairly.

This is for Pirate Jo and those who agree with her. First of all, if the cost of living was still at the same level it was 40 years ago when I started working, sure! I would have enough money for retirement. (It’s that same inflationary pattern that’s put the US so far into debt!)
Second, the money that I paid into Social Security and Medicare was essentially a loan to the government, and it’s payback time.
Finally, the money I get from Social Security will be spent right here in the US on food, clothing, shelter and maybe a little entertainment. And the money from Medicare is going to doctors right here in the US, too.
Please, people, can we learn a little elementary Economics?

Jeff,
Economics doesn’t enter into the discussion, but greed and a lack of compassion for the elderly are on full display from the people who so are quick to use the word Christian to describe themselves. Thinking that someone who is a member of a high risk group (62 or older) will be able to take, let’s say an $8,000 voucher, and pay for their own health care in a profit-driven insurance industry is the worst form of delusional thinking. Hello! I hope you’ve noticed that the health insurance industry is INCREASING, not decreasing, its prices. What happens to the elderly when/if their rates increase by 35-40% a year with no increase in the voucher amount?

Retirement accounts to replace the Social Security System? Think late 2008, when millions, including myself, lost thousands of dollars in our IRA accounts. Add this to a financial industry that resists regulations to prevent bad behavior and that lobbies members of Congress relentlessly. One party in Congress already has lobbyists helping to write its bills. Unregulated bad behavior on the part of the financial industry will definitely repeat itself, leaving millions of people with no money in these privatized retirement accounts. This leaves our senior citizens with 3 choices: commit suicide because of despair, work until they die, or become homeless and end up living on the streets of America.

Only a nation in which citizens have no value for human life would the idea of giving vouchers to the elderly to purchase health care and privatized retirement accounts sound like a good idea. Suggesting these choices as replacements for Social Security and Medicare in a market economy with few strings attached to look out for the interests of the customer is a recipe for disaster of epic proportions.

I want all you teabaggers to go out and tell your grandparents or any elderly person you can get your paws onto and tell them why they don’t deserve Social Security or health care via Medicare after having worked a lifetime and paying into the system. Then I want you to videotape your caning and post it on YouTube.

Social Security wouldn’t be broke if Republicans would keep their grubby hands out of it. When created it was never intended to be tied to the general budget. And by the way, you get out of social security based on what you pay into it and that all depends on a lifetime of social security being deducted from one’s actual wages. Same goes for Medicare… we pay into the system all our lives so that when we retire (if we don’t croak first) the system will be there to cover our health care costs. Every one of us will be needing that help when the time comes… including teabaggers.

Many of you see this as a political problem, and although the program and policies were initially created by politicians, it’s just a simple economic problem, if there is not enough money coming into the system then how do you expect it to continue. The larger problem is that more and more Americans will be entering into retirement in the next decade and that means there must be more and more people to pay into this Ponzi scheme, the fact of the matter is there isn’t, we have very little of a manufacturing base left here and because of outsourcing we have become the greatest nation of consumers the world has ever seen, and so the government must borrow those funds from someone (China, Japan)just to fulfill its promise to all those who think that their money has been waiting for them in a nice safe place.

And if you are smart enough to realize that the government has been raiding that fund for years and years why then would you not wish to see a program that is so corrupt at its core be done away with, do you sincerely wish our country to become beholden to outside influence so that the future generations to come should be worse off because of it, or could it be you have grown so accustom to these socialistic progressive entitlement programs, and that you so want your share you are willing to say screw the country, where’s mine.

She’s talking about ending entitlements, just like Obamacare. We can’t afford any of this stuff. We’ve got to find another solution. Don’t get me wrong, I want our seniors taken care of. But the system is flat broke.

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Social Security a Ponzi scheme? Give Me a break. It’s a pay as You go retirement and disability program which by law is supposed be separate from the Federal Budget, a real Ponzi scheme is privatization of Social Security that wall street would love to get to suck fees from, People lost lots of money in their IRAs and 401Ks due to Wall Street shenanigans. As to converting Medicare/Medicaid/Medi-Cal to vouchers, that’s a worthless boondoggle, but then Health Insurance for Seniors is not cheap or plentiful as Seniors tend to die the older they get and so are very high risk to insure by their very nature.

Insuring against Earthquakes might be cheaper than insuring a Senior through private health insurance.

Social Security unfunded? Social Security has a $2.6 Trillion in a surplus which is funded by FICA taxes by Federal Law.

Social Security unconstitutional? Hah! That was decided by the US Supreme Court in 1937, they said that Social Security is Constitutional as is mentioned below by court decision…

Helvering vs. Davis.
Steward Machine Co. vs. Davis.
Carmichael vs. Southern Coal & Coke and Gulf States Paper.

Savings? What’s that? I don’t have that…

If one gets SSI(Supplemental Security Income) in California, One gets no Food Stamps, this is cause of a California policy known as Cash Out, So Food Stamps are embargoed to California SSI recipients.

Michelle Bachmann is a Religious Zealot, and a dangerous uncaring Kook.

For the last 50 years, the richest americans income taxes have decreased. While the national debt has increased. Now the right wants to end social programs to help pay down debt. What the hell am I missing here?

Pirate JO, SS has worked for a very long time as a safety net. I started working when I was sixteen, paid bills, invested, and played the game by all the rules. Some times I won, and some time I lost. Over the years I paid into the SS insurance program for someone else,and now you are going to pay for me. If that upsets you, you can get together with Joe the plumber and have a cold beer. It is like car insurance, every one pays into it and when a member has an accident they are covered, can you dig it? The system works, leave it alone. Yourself, Palin, Backmann, and all the Tea partiers would be better served to pursue other avenues of government spending and waste of tax dollars than attacking a program that benefits millions of Americans. All that being said, I need to check that my SS check has been deposited in my account. When you get together with Joe the plumber and tell him I said HEY.

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