Oral Roberts U grad Bachmann says Harvard grad Obama ‘isn’t well-schooled’
Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Michele Bachmann recently told the Hometown Source, an online extension of ABC Newspapers in the northern suburbs, that Barack Obama “isn’t well-schooled and prepared to be President of the United States.”
That’s an interesting observation, coming from a graduate of a law school that once lost its American Bar Association accreditation.
Bachmann got her undergraduate degree from Winona State University in 1978. She graduated from O.W. Coburn School of Law at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla., in 1986.
The ABA yanked Coburn’s accreditation in 1981 over its Christian litmus tests for students and faculty but later reinstated it. However, the law school closed in 1986 and donated its library to Pat Robertson’s Regent University in Virginia. Regent then started its own law school but didn’t receive ABA accreditation until 1996.
Bachmann also has a post-graduate degree in tax law from William and Mary Law School.
After she graduated from law school, Bachmann went to work as a tax collection lawyer for the IRS.
Obama, on the other hand, received an undergraduate degree from Columbia University in 1983. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1991 and became the first African-American president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review. After he graduated, Obama became a civil rights lawyer and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Incidentally, Barack Obama’s wife, Michelle Obama, also is a graduate of Harvard Law School. Marcus Bachmann, Michele Bachmann’s husband, has a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from Union Graduate Institute, a mail-order school in Cincinnati.
26 Comments
Comment posted August 27, 2008 @ 6:52 pm
Hmmm… let's look at the context. I know you'd rather go ad hominem re her background, but she didn't say Obama wasn't well-schooled at all. She said he wasn't well-schooled to be President of the United States. There's a huge difference. Context is everything. I know it'd be tough for you to have journalistic integrity, but it might be worth a try.
Comment posted August 27, 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Let me correct your facts on the O.W. Coburn School of Law where I served as business manager during the bout with the ABA, which claimed religious discrimination by the school. Actually, it was the ABA that was discriminating over religion and when the O.W. Coburn School of Law sued the ABA in District Court in Chicago, the ABA lost (yes, we sued the lawyers and they lost) and the school's accreditation was rightfully re-instated. You may be interested to know that the O.W. Coburn School of Law had the 2nd largest law library in the Southwest, second only to the University of Texas. The size of the law library was one of the key criteria for accreditation, much like the size and scope of laboratories and equipment for a medical school.
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 6:31 am
Yes there are ALOT of degrees running around out there, and I have met ALOT of Ivy Leaguers on the unemployment lines.
When I see the current state of the mortgage mess, what schools did all those big banks and brokerage firms go to in search of their new hires? New York Money Center Banks and Brokergaes don't even hire non-Ivy League grads for their better positions. Thank such places like Harvard, Columbia, and Yale.
Maybe when the BIG banks and brokerages get done licking their wounds, they will seek kids from less
“elite” schools who want to be paid for their real world work, and not their cherished Ivy League degree.
As one who once went nose to nose with my small midwestern school degree agaonst a high and mighty Columbia MBA…that strutz didn't even know how to do a pro-forma income statement…..and when they asked him to go to the corporate sales school in Virginia, why, selling was “beneath him.” He didn't last long.
The moral of the story boys and girls….it isn't where you go to school…it is what you do while you are there. And please don't mention Obama on the Harvard Law Review. They wanted somebody who was black and Harvard even said so publically!
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 9:50 am
Bachman's opinion isn't exactly unbiased or relevant. Her choosing to work for the IRS and Obama choosing to work to help his community speaks volumes. And what does she say of Mccain? After influence instead of merit got him an appointment, he graduated near the bottom of his class with lots of demerits, and went on to crash a number of planes. Can't see he has subsequent executive experience either.
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 10:03 am
Almost as ridiculous as eight years of disparaging remarks about Bush's stupidity. Bush, the Ivy League grad…like Obama.
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 10:19 am
I think Dave is out of context. Michelle Bachmann is unqualified to recognize qualifications for President. Her lack of quality schooling is one factor. The other is her unflagging support of GW Bush. Undoubtedly the worst President in history. She thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, but who has screwed up just about everything he could touch. He is leaving our country in tatters–in the ditch, so to speak. No, Michelle is inept at assessing Presidential qualifications.
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 10:30 am
The question re Michelle Bachman is “why is she so successful?” We progressives, Democrats, or moderates, are really getting our clock's cleaned by these seemingly self-righteous, ill-informed, simplistic thinking seeming “crazies”. Why is that? What are we missing here?
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 11:41 am
And was Bush “well-schooled to be President of the United States?”
No, but it doesn't stop her from trying to lay a lip-lock on him whenever he's within reach. The woman has a severe detachment from reality and will say pretty much anything, especially if it's been fed to her by one of her right-wing bible-thumping sources.
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 11:45 am
Scholarship versus legacy. Not even close.
One worked his butt off to get to college. The other had it bestowed upon him for having a wealthy and powerful dad.
Comment posted August 28, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Hey SuznAZ….
.I''ll take a degree from the Naval Academy where you study HARD stuff like fluid mechanics, navigation, themodynamics, engineering over “interpretational fluff” at an Ivy League school ANY DAY! It prepares you for, how would you say…something REAL!
“Community Organizing? What is that? I have seen his “organized community” in Chicago and it looks like Beirut. How is that for “hope” and “change”? I saw the same “change” and “hope” under Marion Berry in DC, David Dinkins in NYC, and most recently Sharpe James in Newark and Kenneth Gibson before him. Should we expect more “competence” of the same order from this inexperienced “stunod” from Chicago? I think so if America is stupid enough to elect him and his equally liberal hand-maiden from the credit card state of Delaware. Hey Suz…21.5% interest on a credit card! Where is the complaint about those “obscene profits” ?
Next point…what wing, division or ship did Obama serve on? Oh that is right, none! Obama wouldn't even pass a military physical.
No executive experience with McCain? Do you know how much time and energy is expended in the property, plant, equipment and personnel to command a squadron? Of course you wouldn't but those who do ensure that your fluffy little head sleeps well on that AZ pillow at night.
Oh, finally Suz…I turned down Columbia for a real State School – Rutgers, and unlike Obama, there were no scholarships in the early 70s for “deserving white kids who showed promise.” Obama can't relate to working people because that “kept man” in Chicago has never done a real days work but sure stands ready to take more $$$ from those of us who do!
Comment posted August 29, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
Dan, you didn't deal with the issue. You merely kept up the mudslinging. Bremer took the remarks out of context, and in a self-righteous manner demeaned someone for going to a school he doesn't like. That's the issue. The issue is that he can't seem to use journalistic integrity, but would rather twist words to further his agenda. My post wasn't for or against Bachmann. My post was merely pointing out the out-of-context nature of this supposed journalist's writing. You jumped right in to the ad hominem argument as well. Why can people just not understand critical thinking? What's wrong with interacting with the actual issues being presented? Sure, a smart-alecky quip saying that my taking issue with someone's blatant disregard for journalistic integrity is, in itself out of context, because of this person's assumption of what my non-stated beliefs are. That makes a lot of sense. Keep with the slagging Dan, you prove your own lack of thought in your response.
Comment posted September 20, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
Any newspaper in Minnesota is a joke. What a backwards dump water state. Full of Northern idiots.
Comment posted December 16, 2009 @ 2:51 am
Sure got the conservatards fired up with this one. Amazing how anti-intellectual this country really is. It’s like a bad thing Obama went to Columbia and Harvard and a good thing Bachmann went to Shitstorm School of Law and her husband has a degree from Fake U.
Lol at the retards who don’t understand that it’s not an ad hominem attack on Bachmann to question her ability to determine if someone is well schooled or not based on her own questionable schooling. It’s like saying that someone from the University of Phoenix is entitled to say if Yale provides a good education or not.
And Bush got an MBA with shit grades, Obama got a JD with superior grades. There could not be a bigger difference between the two degrees or the work and intellect requirements. HTMFH.
Comment posted November 7, 2010 @ 9:07 am
Since Obama has never released his college transcripts, we have no idea how he did at Columbia and so for all we know, he was an Affirmative Action enrolle Harvard as the rumors suggest.
Funny how George Bush’s college transcripts, military fitness reports, IQ score, etc. have been all over the internet yet we don’t even know what Obama’s GPA was at Columbia. We know by now that he must have failed economics.
Comment posted March 14, 2011 @ 8:24 pm
Michele, I’m embarrassed both for and by you.
Praise Jebus, God hates academic exellence, Amen.
Comment posted March 25, 2011 @ 11:15 am
“Since Obama has never released his college transcripts, we have no idea how he did at Columbia and so for all we know, he was an Affirmative Action enrolle Harvard as the rumors suggest.”
How predictable. Another racist comment from another teabagger.
Comment posted March 25, 2011 @ 10:08 pm
This is the woman who thought the battles Lexington and Concord were in New Hampshire
Comment posted March 26, 2011 @ 2:17 am
Um… how does this go? Uh.. take a thousand people and put them on a football field. Separate them into men and women. Then separate them into black and white (so now you have 4 groups) then separate them by eye color, then hair color, then ideology, then education, then, birth place, then… well pretty soon you don’t have a demographic. Hey. I thought there was only one race of humans. You ever wonder if the two party system is going to kill this country? Some countries have 5 parties and liberal/conservative have totally different meanings. You know… fundamentalists and atheists (among thousands of categories of people) work in multitudes of different professions which require living on so many levels either simultaneously or compartment-[ally] and often most of the time interact either professionally or on other levels…. um
…what were we talking about?
Comment posted June 28, 2011 @ 3:41 pm
That is funny coming from someone like Bachmann who doesn’t get her US history correct.
Comment posted June 28, 2011 @ 7:27 pm
Far be it from me to compare law schools, but I strongly suspect there are very few Harvard law school grads accepting positions as collection agents for the IRS.
Comment posted July 4, 2011 @ 8:53 am
This isn’t an argument, it is an intelligence test. If you think that Michelle “Open Mouth, Insert Foot” Bachmann has the educational background superior enough to judge the academic background of President Obama… you are a certifiable idiot.
It is a free country and she can have any opinion she wants… but facts are not up for discussion.
Comment posted July 4, 2011 @ 10:20 am
People need to stop pretending Oral Roberts is a real law school.
Comment posted July 4, 2011 @ 4:10 pm
Michele Bachmann is schooled than Obama. Here is why:
1).That the John Wayne of Waterloo, Iowa is a role model.
2).That Paul Revere told Abraham Lincoln the British are coming.
3).That 9y/o John Quincy Adams was one of the founding fathers.
4).That the founding fathers including 9y/o John Quincy Adams fought tirelessly to end slavery.
5).That the Constitutional Army fought the British in Iraq.
6).That the battle of Gettysburg was fought in Minnesota
7).That the Star-Spangled Banner was written by Eminem
8).That Harvard Law School was founded at Oral Robert Law School.
Comment posted August 10, 2011 @ 10:57 am
Anyone who thinks that Bachmann is qualified to be President has an extremely tenuous grasp on reality. If the moronic voters of this country should happen to elect her (or if the Supreme Court republicans of the United States–SCROTUS–should decide to appoint another president like they did Dubya), then this nation deserves what happens after that. And it won’t be pretty.
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