Bachmann anti-health care reform rally cost taxpayers $14,000

Just astonishing…only in the Tea Parties’ demented parallel universe could someone call an event for 10,000 people — few that were journalists and even fewer that could spell — a “rally”. A “rally” that’s paid for by all Americans.

The depths of Bachmann’s stupidity is beyond measure…

To the statists/fascists/socialists/collectivists parasites, that’s chump change. She needs to lower herself to the political level to compete sadly. socialist/corporatist medicare/medicaid/social security have unfunded liabilities of 108 TRILLION dollars. All the obama zombies need to wake up. Our government is a Ponzi scheme. Anyone think madoff was bad….

Time to abolish these parasitic programs. But grandfather the old, partial refund the middle age, and individualize the young.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.” C.S Lewis

Collectivism is slavery. I dont want to be part of the church of government. dont force me to join your religion all you statists. God or not, I dont want your religion forced on me. “Nothing in our Constitution suggests that government is a grantor of rights. Instead, government is a protector of rights.” – Dr. Walter E. Williams

“Nannyism is fascism with training wheels.” — R. L. Root

Sounds like cali and MN……

The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time

A very interesting comment by classical liberal. Some nice quotes. Though I don’t know just where the slippery slope of collectivism becomes human slavery? There are a number of societies in our world where human beings cooperate to exercise compassion and care for one another that respects the core being of the individual. They are to some extent collectivist. We live in such an interconnected world today where we cannot make everything with perfect self reliance. We often need each other. We cannot be totally alone and succeed in life.

Obviously if you are being coerced into doing something a question may be raised about the power of a government. But in our country our rights are unalienable and given to us by our mere existence. Governments indeed do not or should not grant rights but recognize and nurture them to the maximum extent possible. Yet we do have a civic responsibility to one another to be engaged as citizens and to as part of our common humanity care for one another. There is a place for collectivism in society.

The question is how much is too much? My grandmother, an unusually simple yet almost divinely inspired wise woman had one simple rule for life. That was: moderation in all things. Its a good rule. I have been “bit in the butt” by things in my 55 years on the planet and my grandmother’s injunction comes back to me. Balance, harmony, compassion, and respect for the individual is empowering and nurturing. The classical liberal is politely and helpfully saying to us that perhaps things are out of the realm of the moderate.

I am politically a liberal Democrat but am enjoying thinking outside the confining ideological boxes our politics demand. I believe much our nation faces in terms of improving things and problem solving will require the cooperation of all people and for us to take the best from a number of points of view and use them creatively.

What a challenge to us! It is why this lefty actually likes C.S. Lewis. What a nice human being. Reflective, great writer, wise. You do not have to agree with everything another person believes but it is wise to treat everyone with respect. I think the comment was thought provoking with the quotations employed and engaging.

I find different ideas than mine stimulating and helpful in expanding rather than contracting the scope of my thought. Try it. Cut out the ideology and reach out. Not sure if I’m a parasite but will try to avoid that.

There were NOT 10,000 people present at the rally. DC Police estimated it as closer to 4,000. Of course, Fox News likes to run footage of different events, in what appear to be repeated ‘mistakes’ that are specific to Bachmann’s stunts like this. That kind of mistake, once, might be an accident; more than once, not so much.

So much for the claims by Bachmann and her colleagues about fiscal conservativism -so much lip service that is.

I’d still like an explanation, ideally from “Classic Liberal”, about why OUR tax monies should be used to pay for Bachmann’s “press conference”. Fiscal responsibility — supposedly a cornerstone belief of the Tea Party movement, would demand no less…

Just wait until the bill comes in. I would pitch in any amount to stop this bill.
In Canada and the UK they pay 50% income tax on top of the VAT, PST & GST taxes.
Perhaps we are “Arogant” enough to think that will not happen to us!
Will Obama garrantee us this will not cost us making under 100K by not taking his pension in 2012.
Why is all of congress exempt from this healthcare bill?
We will see what happens in 2010 & 2012.

Countries in Europe and elsewhere use the VAT approach as it’s effective against large companies paying NO taxes. Two of the largest US companies based on earning — GE and ExxonMobil paid NO income taxes in 2009. None.

A VAT approach generates very, very small taxes at each step of production, and in fact can be a very sensible option to our current tax policies.

thanks to the good folks at The Daily Kos [www.dailykos.com]

According to a new poll from CBS and the New York Times, 92% of tea partiers are scared that America is moving towards socialism — but in a strange twist, most of them seem to like it.

Despite the fear that socialism is coming to America, 62% of tea party supporters also support Social Security and Medicare. In fact, nearly half of them either benefit from Social Security or Medicare or have somebody in their immediate family who does. And about one-third are directly beneficiaries at least one of the programs, compared to about one-fifth of the population at large.

Some other highlights from the poll (NYT, CBS):

* 18% of Americans say they are tea party supporters.
* 66% of tea party supporters say they usually or always vote Republican. (Just 5% vote Democratic.)
* 73% say they are conservative.
* 41% believe Barack Obama was born in the United States.
* While 65% believe the Obama Administration treats blacks and whites equally, 56% believe it favors poor people over the middle-class and rich.
* 89% are white and 52% believe too much attention is paid to the problems facing African-Americans.
* 59% have a favorable view of Glenn Beck compared to 6% who view him unfavorably. (Among all Americans, the numbers are 18% and 17%.)
* 63% say they get most of their political news from Fox News Channel.
* 66% have a favorable view of Sarah Palin, compared to 12% who view her unfavorably. (Among all Americans, the numbers are 30% and 45%.)
* 24% believe citizens can be justified in taking violent action against the government.
* 52% believe the federal income taxes they pay are fair.
* 84% of the tea partiers believe their views reflect those of most Americans, but only 25% of all Americans agree (remember: 18% are tea partiers).

that would lead me to believe that you are wasting your time t-partyers.

I believe the majority of the male supporters of “Wailin Palin”are confused as to why they support her.They don’t whether they want to elect her or bed her.