Religious right asks God to forgive Minnesota for electing a Muslim

[...] the Minnesota Independent: Religious right leaders from across the country gathered in Washington, D.C., on Saturday for [...]

Anyone recognize this woman?

I’m curious as to what planet these people are from? What don’t they understand about the Founding Fathers insisting that no state religion be established? I assume they are not familiar with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It’s these kind that give Christians a bad name.

Dumb all over, and a little ugly on the side.

That’s a lot of hate these people live with, day after day. What ever happened to “turn the other cheek” or “love your neighbor as yourself”?

Fear makes people resentful. These people fear what’s happening (they shouldn’t), and it makes them forget what they should be practicing.

Wow, that is so sad. The bright side is that it looked like there were only about 30 people there. 30 crazies of 300,000,000 Americans is not bad odds at all.

wow… so apparently only Christians can make movies, run for government positions and make the rules….crazy people what did Dakota Fanning ever do to you?!

Praise be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster! May his noodly appendages bless you with sauce!
lol

Ah, the irony of Christians denouncing other religions on a Pagan Holiday…

Who knows? What if we need to thank them for the repentance on behalf of all of us?

Hey, I do believe I recognize that narrow-minded broad…she’s Wilma of Walmart, the wayward weligious wench from western Wayzata!

I think that was my mom. What a stupendous bitch!

Religion is not an excuse for stupidity, but we have let it become that.

They seem to want to “repent” a lot of things they did not actually do – typical of religious fanatics that they do not know what they are talking about.

Lord save us, and the Constitution, from the self-righteous.

its ran by a bunch of aethists leftwing morons.
who need to get a life.

I think that God has truly blessed Dakota Fanning with amazing talent! She uses this talent to show us the truth. Sometimes the truth is happy, sometimes scary, sometimes ugly. I think acting is her prayer of thanks to God and God loves Dakota for it and so do I. Thank you God for Dakota and Thank you Dakota for your movies.
These religious nuts better hope that Dakota doesn’t make a movie about them!

Hallelujah! we are doomed.

Ryan, that should: its RUN by a bunch of ATHEIST leftwing morons. Not capitlzing properly, using ran instead of run and mispelling atheist does not make one a moron, but it does call into question ones intelligence.

Damn, I should proof read my insults.

Forgive them for they know no what they do.

Yet, while engulfed in their own confusion, they presume to direct the doings of others.

Regarding the constitution and separation of chuch and state by our founding fathers, one must keep in mind that, in the 1700′s NO ONE conceived of the US becoming a nation of such diversity.
The revolution against England, from the religion standpoint, was in protest of England delaring the Chuch of England as the official “religion”.
The term “Religions” in those days would have been better termed as denominations, since nearly EVERYONE was Christian.
The concept was to prevent any particular religion (denomination) from becoming the “official” religion in the new United States. George, Thomas, Ben and the other founding fathers likely never even conceived of this resolution being someday interpreted to make religions other than Chritianity “equal” in this country.
This is evidenced by the many places that our government references GOD; In God we Trust (still on our currency), a Christian chaplain blessing each session of Congress, in the Declaration of Independence, etc. Nowhere do you find any reference to Allah, or Buddah, or any other supreme being as “God”.
So if we are to have true separation of church and state, we will need to convene a Constitutional Congress and rewrite the Constitution to make it read like the ultra-liberal members of Congress and the Judiciary have modified it with their decisions. I know this is not a popular standpoint and may not meet the standards of today’s political correctness, but it is true.

Sorry – I meant to write “Convene a Constitutional Convention”.

dear god, please help that woman

What a classic example of how prayer can be abusive and offensive. I am very proud of Representrative Ellison. As a Minnesotan, we were all implied in that prayer and I strongly object to that type inclusion. Spare me!

Ellison is MY rep, and I thank the big grandpa in the sky for him every day.

@For the record, many of the founders of this nation were not Christian at all, but Deist. Google the Jefferson Bible and see if you reevaluate your opinion at all.

That woman is an embarassment. I am proud that MN has a sensible enough population to elect politicians that represent EVERY community within the United States. Plus, Ellison is doing great things in office.

[...] Religious right leaders ask God to forgive Minnesota for electing first Muslim [...]

Hello all, can someone please tell me what in the world is the U$raeli flag doing there? Thank you.

God, we repent that these fools think they represent you! Save us from them!!

@Adam,
Thank you for your response. I have not read the entire document, but I am familiar with some of its precepts.
As for having reevaluated my opinion – not at all.

In a letter from Jefferson to Charles Thompson dated January 9, 1816 regarding having made the book ‘The Philosophy of Jesus’, Jefferson states that “It is a document in proff that I am a real Christian. That is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus”.
Though he obviously did not believe as I, and many millions do, that the WHOLE bible is the inspired word of God and not subject to private interpretation, he was a Christian and certainly believed in God.

I will, however, relent in that “Christian” was a poor choice of words in my original post. More accurate would have been to say that nearly everyone, at least the vastly overwhelming majority of people in the new U.S. around the time of the revolution, believed in and followed the precepts of the Old and/or New testaments of GOD. God being synonymous with the God that is worshipped by Christians, Jews and Muslims.

I believe that, had there been a strong contingent of athiests and/or agnostics in the Continental congress which drafted the US Constitution, then either there would never have been a signed document or the wording would have been made much stronger to favor “Christianity”.

Getting back to the original intention of my post, many people who have responed to this article have expressed dismay at the religeous right and their attitudes toward anything they see as anti-Christian. Just like all of us, they are entitled to there opinion. The fact that these rallies are taking place on the steps of government buildings and in public fashion is immaterial. People with discenting opinions can do the same. Though I would venture to say the turnout may be disappointing.

I will leave you and others with the last word so as not to dominate this blog.

We can never forget the basic and most dangerous fact of democracy — 50% of voters have a below average IQ. Dumb people don’t check facts. We should be thankful this crowd, of hysterics, is so very small; if our economy had gone over a cliff and we were in the darkest beginnings of a 20 to 30 year depression, cult-Christian-nut-cases would be far more numerous and far more dangerous. These movements (Inquisitorial-Catholicism; witch–hunting-Protestantism; racist-fascism; Wahabbi Islam; bellicose neo-Conservatism, etc.) are like a virus; the pandemics come and go globally, but the pockets of infection hunker-down and persist, waiting for weakness in the world to flair up again.

“Give’em the gulit, then sell’em the forgiveness.” That is the basic message of Christianity — at least it’s the message for the parasites who manipulate ignorant people with simplistic lies and empty promises. There’s nothing new in this any more than the obvious fact that wise and decent people find wisdom and decency in all religions.

PS. The woman who repented the election of a Muslim, is a paradigm of religious bigotry. She should be made poster-child for the ugly/ignorant/vicious anti-Americanism of the Christian-Right. She disgraced even this gathering of crack-pots. A public apology must be demanded of her and of the organizers of this meeting OR they must be forced to defend her insane opinion, which will discredit them in perpetuity.

PPS. Whoever that blond woman preacher is, she seemed smarter and more articulate than your average Fundi-fraud and therefore she may be more dangerous. Who is she?

For the record, “For the record,” you don’t know what you are talking about. This is the Liberty University’s party line, but like all fanatics they propagate lies.

Please read th following with the knowledge thst when the words “Jesus Christ” were proposed to take the place of the words “Almighty God,” that proposal was soundly defeated after a debate aboutAmerican rights extending to Jews, Muslims and Hindoos, as well as unbelievers.

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The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
Thomas Jefferson, 1786

Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporal rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labors for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that, therefore, the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to the offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which in common with his fellow citizens he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honors and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles, on the supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency, will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.

Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

And though we well know this Assembly, elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no powers equal to our own and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law, yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right.

For the record wrote: “I will, however, relent in that “Christian” was a poor choice of words in my original post. More accurate would have been to say that nearly everyone, at least the vastly overwhelming majority of people in the new U.S. around the time of the revolution, believed in and followed the precepts of the Old and/or New testaments of GOD. God being synonymous with the God that is worshiped by Christians, Jews and Muslims.”

For the record, it should be noted that “nearly everyone, at least the vastly overwhelming majority of people in the new U.S. around the time of the revolution…” did not include the vast majority of Native Americans, who were similarly not considered around the time to the revolution, by white Christian people who systematically murdered them to clear the land that “Christians” were stealing, by denying the humanity of those who resided there, in great part because the Native Americans were not Christians.

As Buffy Saint-Marie sang decades ago; we must never forget “the genocide basic to this country’s birth…” for the record.

Sandy Tracy, et al:

As ignorant as people can be, this woman praying in the video (specifically @ 2:40) has a right demonstrate her ignorance in her freedom of speech.

Luke Hosfield:

Yeah….. I, too, notice the absence of the crowd. I notice that the camera only showed the media and the speakers, but FAILED to show the crowd that had gathered for this useless ranting.

Chayanov:

“Love your neighbor” only applies if your neighbor is a Christian AND they agree with you. Didn’t you know?

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[...] a Minnesotan was also there, and she embarrassed us with this little speech: And father, we repent that we have not used godly wisdom when we have elected officials into [...]

“Religious right”? How about Christian right since Muslims follow a religion also.

Title suggestions:

“Christian right asks God to forgive Minnesota for electing a Muslim”

“Christian right asks God to forgive Minnesota for electing a member of a different religion”

“Myth followers ask their God to forgive Minnesota for electing a member of an opposing myth”

@ For The Record:
While I can quibble with some of you claims about the religiosity of the FF, one point I don’t often see addressed is that circumstances and cultures change. Whether one wants to insist on what they think is a strict interpretation of the Constitution or not, the fact is that the makeup of this country is vastly different than it was in the late 18th c. The framers understood that their fledgeling experiment would probably grow, and allowed for a Constitution that could be amended to accommodate these developments, with much thoughtful and reasoned debate.
IOW, whether one wants to claim that this was once a Christian Nation, why the heck should it need to be considered one anymore? That thinking seems anachronistic to me.
Chris

[...] MinnesotaIndependent.com seems to be the primary reporting source for this story.  Again, good, I guess.  But maybe a little more publicity would be nice…just enough so that the female Dinkus who said this can be identified and embarrassed so she is never taken seriously in the future.  According to the article the woman has not been identified to date.  The Muslim Public Affairs Council rebuked the speech, calling it appalling. [...]

Dear For the Record,

“In God we Trust (still on our currency)”
What do you mean “still”? It wasn’t put there by the Framers. Unless you think they were still around in 1864.

Secondly, the DoI is not a legally binding document. The Treaty of Tripoli *is*. You know the one that says
“[T]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion [... I]t has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen”

DAKOTA FANNING IS GOD!!! EVENTUALLY SHE WILL SMITE YOU!!! DAMN THE UNTALENTED BRITENY SPEARS!!!