Is Bachmann supporting the birther movement?

“Can anything be scarier that?” Yes–Bachmann!

NB: he’s not just a commie, he’s a “radical commie” !!!

Sadly, if she is joining up with the birthers, this will only help her with Republicans. The party of Lincoln has become the nation’s largest insane asylum.

Controversial is when a person is elected president but refuses to prove his legal qualifications. Once again leftist activists piss all over the US Constitution.

… Except, Jimmy, that Pres. Obama has proven he was born in the state of Hawaii, which last time I checked was a legal state within the United States of America. Ergo, an American president.

It’s funny to think that if Pres. Obama had been white, this never would have been an issue. But since he’s not white, WELL OBVIOUSLY he’s from a different country, just an imported terrorist seeking to blow up America from the inside out.

Honestly, what do you think is on the birth certificate that is so embarassing to Obama? There are plenty of theories as to why he won’t release it, but the only important one is the question of natural born citizenship.

Race isn’t a factor. If he were a conservative the media would have had such a hissy fit he never would have been nominated let alone elected.

He already released it. Conspiracy theorists and the mentally ill may be dissatisfied by it, but the vast majority of us have moved on.

Hawaii has the original birth certificate. It has never been made public. Very strange.

As if on cue, Jimmy weighs in…

The question is not so much about Obama’s citizenship, but whether you consider a dual citizen, born in the USA to one US parent and an alien, meets the constitutional eligibility for the Executive Branch.

Hawaii never releases anyone’s original birth certificate.

Even if the original were produced, who is dense enough to believe that would satisfy these freaks? No matter what comes out, there will always be some hallucinatory explanation fo why it’s not the real thing, and the truth is still being denied.

I agree 100% with the earlier posting — if President Obama were white, this would have never been an issue.

Jimmy (and the rest of the GOP) — you lost. Elections have consequences. Grow up and move on. Enough of your endless and mindless drivel….

borderraven, a person born in the US is a “natural born citizen.” The citizenship of that person’s parents does not matter.

Read the 14th Amendment sometime.

People like Jimmy don’t like Democracy when they don’t get their way. The like better the “Democracies” like under Saddam Hussein, where he was elected with 100% of the vote. Jimmy also hates the constitution when it is not convenient.

Obama could have avoided this controversy long before I heard of him. Since he won’t release the original we can only imagine what’s on it that he doesn’t want made public.

What’s interesting is that because he is a democrite, he’s immune to all the rules. He get’s special treatment and if you disagree you must be a racist.

Orly Taitz makes peace with Obama. Read all about it.

http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/05/taitz-makes-peace-with-obama.html

Jimmy,You are more ignorant than the back of my balls!!

Jimmy,sorry about the rude crude comment,but I guess I would rather be considered rude than branded an idiot!

Release the “original”? How stupid are these birthers? I can’t release the “original” of my birth certificate, either, even if I ran for President. I don’t have access to it. I can only do what Obama and every other person born in this country can do: obtain a certified copy, which was never a problem until these morons started yammering on about the “original”.

By the way, what is it the birthers are arguing, exactly? That Obama’s parents wanted him to run for President someday, but since he was inconveniently born outside of the country, despite having a parent who was a U.S. citizen, they had to rush a phony birth notice in a Honolulu newspaper and plant a phony birth certificate with the State of Hawaii? Or are they suggesting that Obama has a time machine, that he was able to use to travel back to the 1960s and plant the phony documents himself, again, despite having a mother who was a U.S. citizen?

Isn’t John McCain’s original birth certificate still in Panama? How come that was never a problem for the birthers? It couldn’t have anything to do with the color of his skin, could it?

Race is not a factor? Which other president has ever been bothered with this Birth Certificate nonsense? I have never seen even a newspaper announcement for the birth any other president. I just can not imagine what some of these hater would be saying if Obama’s election votes had been short and he had been instead declared president like GWB was in 2000!

Chayanov – I have described it here. The Kenya birth is physically impossible:

http://newyorkleftist.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-born-in-kenya-no.html

So Jimmy comes demanding to see the original birth certificate because he’s not happy with the certified copy provided by the state of Hawaii that clearly lists Obama’s birthplace as Honolulu. “why, oh why, would Obama hide it?” he asks, “when he could make all this controversy go away by releasing it.

And then, almost on cue, comes the racist, underage girl in bikini filming borderraven (seriously, do a google search for “borderraven” and “bikini”) demonstrating that the crazy is strong with the birthers. Even if Obama were born in Hawaii, he says, it’s not good enough because his father was not a US citizen. Never mind Supreme Court precedent on the matter or even the fact that a constitutional law book written by a person who knew drafters of the Constitution explicitly states that anyone born on US soil is a natural born citizen for the purposes of becoming president.

So Jimmy, the reason he’s not too fussed with violating Hawaii law and getting them to release his original birth certificate is that the crazies will still argue it’s not good enough. And Borderraven, the answer to your statement is that yes, we do think that anyone born in the US (other than the child of someone under diplomatic immunity) is eligible to be president.

Dual citizen ship. One parent citizen! Blah Blah! Read up on Chester Arthur

And of course Borderraven, Dessert Shield veteran and all-around expert on being a stupid, uneducated bigot with an ego bigger than his super-sized self, waddles up to spout the same nonsense that was discredited over a year ago….

Rubbish. Obama can obtain a copy of the original birth certificate with a simple application. He could then release it to the public and put an end to the issue. Why he doesn’t is a mystery.

The document released several years ago is a “Certification of Live Birth” which simply is NOT a birth certificate.

Tinfoil hat time.

Jimmy – wrong from beginning to end, as has been stated repeatedly. You should be ashamed of yourself for falling for the lies and stupidity of the birthers.

Could you please be more specific. What exactly have I stated that is wrong. (Thanks.)

First of all, Jimmy, I would like to see some proof that your name is Jimmy. Please produce whatever proof you have of your identification.

Second, a “certification of live birth” is what Hawaii calls birth certificates. Stop playing the stupid, yet utterly pointless, semantic games.

This whole fuss has gotten so far out of hand that the State of Hawaii has had to pass a bill limiting the number of requests for a birth certificate one person can make. The [Republican] governor was happy to sign the bill.

The State of Hawaii says:

“The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is totally inadequate when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.”

And:

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“

Jimmy, you have crossed the line from “insane” to “dishonest.”

I cannot find the first quote on any State of Hawaii website. It appears only on birther websites (unless, of course, you would care to enlighten us all whence it came).

The second quote has been edited. The DHHL processes applications for ethnic Hawaiians to receive homelands. The “more complete” certificate of live birth, as noted in the part you or your teachers elided, says that the certificate contains genealogical information useful to prove Hawaiian ethnicity.

>>>> Second, a “certification of live birth” is what Hawaii calls birth certificates.

So now you admit the Certificate and Certification are not the same thing?

Why did you go through DHHL? The Dept of Health is the one that provides birth certificates:

“Vital records (birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates) for events that occurred in Hawaii are received and preserved by the Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit of the Department of Health… Certified copies of these records may be issued to authorized individuals and used for such diverse purposes as school entry, passports, Social Security participation, driver’s licenses, employment, sports participation, survivor’s benefits, proof of property rights, and other needs.”

Funny, nothing on their website about birth records that are “totally inadequate” (as if a government office would use such a ridiculous phrase as part of an official statement).

Jimmy the Liar strikes out again.

Jimmy, stop picking nits. If you had so much as an ounce of integrity in your being, you would admit you are wrong on this.

It’s a big “if.” I’m not holding my breath.

You admit that the Certificate and Certification are different documents. Allegedly there exists a Birth Certificate in Hawaii for one Barach Hussein Obama but the public can’t see it. WHY NOT?

No proof is good enough for Jimmy1.

There are two reasons Obama doesn’t provide further “proof” that he’s a U.S. citizen: 1) no proof will be sufficient for birthers. There is no point in trying to reach an audience that is irrevocably lost. Once you meet one of their goalposts, they’ll move it to a more unreasonable one; and 2) birthers make conservatives look nuts. The more they pursue this whole freakish nonsense, and the more GOP policians and Tea-Partiers embrace them, the more crazy contemporary conservatives look to the bulk of society. It’s a great tool for defining your political opponents negatively, since they do it to themselves.

Ohio has a COLB,as well.My “original” birth certificate is not a legal document.And by the way nutjobs,PRESIDENT Obama doesn’t have to prove anything,especially to you people.In this country,the “burden of proof” is with the accuser.

Jimmy

Are you willing to show us Rudy and Raymond’s birth certificates?

We’ve made progress here. The lefties are admitting that Obama has not released his Birth Certificate but claiming he doesn’t have to. That’s an entirely different discussion.

My namesake dons aluminum-foil headgear.

Too bad Jimmy was not so adamant about things like counting votes for president in the previous administration. Gee, is that in the constitution that the Republicans pissed on? It is time to look in the mirror, Jim and see if you righties can recover something resembling sanity and even handedness.

Your boy practically wrecked the country. Need we review recent history? Expensive useless wars, entered via lies (is that in the constitution?), a “free” economy that imploded, environmental disaster, laughing stock among nations, advocating torture. Not to mention stepping all over our constitutional rights. Pissing on the constitution? Is there any constitution left? I don’t think the founding fathers wanted an emperor, or rather a tyrant that reserved all power to himself. Please spare us your posturing as some sort of defender of the constitution. I don’t think you have any idea what the constitution says, let along what it means.

Jimmy

Rudy and Raymond are here legally, aren’t they?

Jimmy’s citation of the COLB not being sufficient proof of birth in Hawaii is blatantly dishonest cherrypicking. It pertains SOLELY to those of Native Hawaiian birth, ie descendants of the Polynesians who originally inhabited the islands. It has nothing to do with someone like Barack Obama, who is not of Polynesian/Native Hawaiian descent and never claimed to be.

As for the rest of his post –

1. “Rubbish. Obama can obtain a copy of the original birth certificate with a simple application. He could then release it to the public and put an end to the issue. Why he doesn’t is a mystery.”

Wrong. The State of Hawaii does NOT release original birth certificates. It releases Certificates of Live Birth, as it states explicitly on its web site. The President is as much subject to this as any other citizen.

2. “The document released several years ago is a “Certification of Live Birth” which simply is NOT a birth certificate.”

Again, wrong. Certifications of Live Birth/Certifications of Birth are indeed birth certificates, and are routinely used for identification and proof of citizenship. The so-called hospital certificates are not legal proof of anything, to the point that states explicitly state they are NOT legal proof of birth for obtaining a driver’s license.

In short, Jimmy is wrong from beginning to end. He should be ashamed of himself, first for falling for the birther movement’s lies, and second for promulgating the same.

I’ll try to be more clear for you. A “Certification of Live Birth” and a “Certificate of Live Birth” are very different. The former is a lesser document and has less information on it.

Again, I don’t know why Obama won’t release a “Certificate of Live Birth”. They claim it exists, but the state of Hawaii has sealed his particular record.

If the Certificate exists and there is something on it that proves Obama cannot be president, then I DON’T WANT IT RELEASED EITHER until after 12. As yesterday’s elections showed the Tea Party is roaring. We want that pinhead right where he is; he’s the conservatives’ BEST FRIEND.

Jimmy –

Do you, Rudy or Raymond have “certification of” or “certificate of” documents?

Just wondering.

No.

1. “I’ll try to be more clear for you. A “Certification of Live Birth” and a “Certificate of Live Birth” are very different. The former is a lesser document and has less information on it.”

And once again, I will be crystal clear for you: YOU ARE WRONG. The documents are identical under the law.

2. “Again, I don’t know why Obama won’t release a “Certificate of Live Birth”.”

Because you and the other pinheads who think he was born elsewhere wouldn’t believe it if God Himself came down from heaven and personally told you that the President was born in Honolulu.

3. “They claim it exists, but the state of Hawaii has sealed his particular record.”"

The state of Hawaii has done nothing to the President’s birth record that they haven’t done to every other Hawaiian’s birth record.

4. “If the Certificate exists and there is something on it that proves Obama cannot be president, then I DON’T WANT IT RELEASED EITHER until after 12. As yesterday’s elections showed the Tea Party is roaring. We want that pinhead right where he is; he’s the conservatives’ BEST FRIEND.”

Sorry, but the birthers and teabaggers are a godsend to the Democrats. The 86% of the country that thinks the birthers are crazy, and the 70% that finds the teabaggers repugnant, are far more likely to vote Democrat than Republican unless the GOP stops courting the lunatic fringe.

Thank you, Ellid. Upvote!

>>> The documents are identical under the law.

Not sure what you mean by “under the law” but I don’t really care. Certifications and Certificates are simply different documents and differ by what information is contained in them.

Birthers may be a godsend, but man do the lefties go bonkers when you bring it up. Irritates them to no end. Not sure why.

Jimmy –

Have fun in whatever reality you’re living in, since it certainly isn’t the one occupied by the rest of us.

And oh, I’m curious: define how the Tea Party is “roaring” given the following:

1. Rand Paul just stated in two separate interview that he opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 AND the Americans with Disabilities Act.

2. The Republican candidate has lost in every single special election this year, including NY-23.

3. The so-called favorite in the Nevada Senate race has proposed bartering chickens and other goods for healthcare services.

4. Their candidate for the California Secretary of State has refused to pay a court-imposed fine, is facing disbarment, and is so incompetent she can’t file her own nominating papers correctly.

Not impressive, old sport. Not impressive at all.

DISCLAIMER: I’m no Republican. With the exception of the last election (voted independent), my last 3 Presidential votes have been for Democrats.

Every single president, because they are in the public eye, should be forced to reveal documentation that clarifies them. Now I’ve called the birthers crazy, too, but I do think it’s interesting Obama’s first executive order (look this up) resulted in over $1 Million tax dollars to seal his educational records. Why would he do that if there wasn’t a cover-up going on? Don’t like being in the limelight? Then you SHOULD NOT HAVE RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE!

Also, (search the web for this) there seems to be a discrepancy with his SSN. It was assigned in the late 1970s (not in the 1960s when he was born) and in the state of Connecticut (not Hawaii). What’s more is that private investigators believe this SSN belongs to a dead guy. SSNs are assigned based on state/year you were born. This looks fraudulent.

Now, I can substantiate one thing or the other, but refusing to question is the sign of bias. Any legitimate authority can stand up to the question of why they are legitimate. If they aren’t, then VOTE THEM OUT.

By the way, John “McSame” McCain also has birth certificate issues, being born in Panama (off base, not on base like reported). I would have called out that old white guy just as quickly (maybe more since he reminds me of George W with a vendetta from those years as a POW).

WAKE UP PEOPLE: There is no such thing as left/right or Democrats/Republicans any more. They is only one BIG GOVERNMENT Party. You people are having your puppet strings pulled by bankers if you believe otherwise.

Oh, and I’ve never attended a Tea Party event in my life. So don’t try to put me in that box so you can sleep at night.

It is amazing to me that this EXACT SAME BACK AND FORTH about this ridiculous “Birther” issue has been going on for YEARS now. The conversation is always EXACTLY the same!

“Why won’t he show his BC”?

“He did.”

“That’s just a copy.”

“That’s all anyone gets these days.”

“Why can’t we see the original BC?”

Alt. 1: “There isn’t one; this is the 21st century; records are computerized now.”
Alt. 2: “The Hawaiian Secretary of State and the Governor have certified that they have seen the original and it has the same info as the copy.”

“Why then has Obama spent (select one: $100K, $500K, $1M, $2M, or ‘millions of dollars’) covering up the facts of his birth?”

“There is no record of that. What makes you believe he spent any money at all on this?”

“Well, shut up.”

“No, you shut up, you ignorant slut.”

And so it goes….

“That’s just a copy.”

No, it was not a Birth Certificate and it was not a copy of one. (You can catch up by reading previous posts.)

The public has never seen Obama’s Birth Certificate. Seriously, aren’t you leftist lemmings even the least bit curious WHYYYYY?

The only thing I’m curious about is how Jimmy’s parents raised such an ill-bred, nosy little punk.

The public HAS seen and touched and examined President Obama’s birth certificate! Conclusion: Born in the U.S.A. Why is anyone still talking about this? Oh wait… Obama was born on October 31. That’s Halloween! Now I have PROOF he’s the Anti-Christ…

The birther movement is DEMOCRAT!
It has been Phil J. berg that has kept this in the spot light for more than two years.
Check him out for yourself.
http://www.obamacrimes.com
DEMOCRAT

Diehard Hillary democrat
Philip J. Berg, Esquire, Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate in Democratic Primaries; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; former member of Democratic State Committee; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, filed a lawsuit in Federal Court today, Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083, seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States. Berg filed this suit for the best interests of the Democratic Party and the citizens of the United States.