You Can Run helps drive author Anne Rice from Christianity

By Paul Schmelzer
Friday, July 30, 2010 at 8:14 am

Anne Rice. Photo: Wikipedia

Anne Rice, author of novels like “Interview With a Vampire” and a memoir about her conversion from Catholicism to atheism and back again, announced Wednesday that she’s leaving the church. “I quit being a Christian. I’m out,” she wrote on her Facebook page. “In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian.” The revelation follows her post of a day earlier linking to the Minnesota Independent’s story on You Can Run But You Cannot Hide, the Annandale-based Christian rock band/ministry. In it, the group’s leader, Bradlee Dean said that Muslim countries calling for the execution of gays and lesbians are “more moral than even the American Christians.

Calling the story “shocking,” she wrote, “No wonder people despise us, Christians, and think we are an ignorant and violent lot. I don’t blame them. This kind of thing makes me weep. Maybe commitment to Christ means not being a Christian.”

A day later she wrote, “In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life.”

But as Michael Rowe writes at Huffington Post, “Anne Rice may have been more of a Christian yesterday than she ever was, when she announced, on Facebook, that she was quitting Christianity and renouncing any claim to the title ‘Christian.’”

“[I]t seems reasonable to say that, in leaving Christianity and rejecting its contemporary manifestation as codified ignorance, bigotry, and intolerance, Rice has paradoxically moved herself closer to the essence of Christ’s teachings than perhaps at any other time in her life.”

You Can Run has also made national news this week for support from GOP gubernatorial candidate Tom Emmer; most stories include the reference in reports about protests of Target over its $150,000 donation to the conservative group MN Forward, which backs Emmer. ABC News, the Hartford Courant, Huffington Post, SFist, Change.org and others have all referenced the story the Minnesota Independent broke and Rice linked to.

ABC wrote:

Emmer told the Minnesota Star Tribune that the controversial rock band “You Can Run But You Cannot Hide,” were “nice people,” following band member Bradlee Dean’s reported comments that Muslim countries that support execution of gays are “more moral than even the American Christians.”

“These are nice people. Are we going to agree on everything? No,” Emmer said of the band. “I really appreciate their passion and — you know what — I respect their point of view.”

Comments

36 Comments

Progressively Queer
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 9:50 am

Yay for Anne Rice! Sometimes I wish I could believe in Christ without Christianity.


Steve Carlson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 10:13 am

So we can talk about our Lord Jesus Christ here? Glad to hear it. What would an election be without Christ. There would be no election. Because our Constitution was founded on a faith in the Christian God, you can read it documented in history. Is Ann going to leave elections too? America? I guess she’ll write another book now. So let’s see, she’s leaving because she refuses to be A day later she wrote, anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-artificial birth control, anti-Democrat, anti-secular humanism, anti-science, anti-life, and rejects contemporary ignorance, bigotry, and intolerance. Whew! Sounds like a bad hair day.

I’m sure she must have very enlightened explanations. So she can’t be a Christian because Christians are Republicans? Or what exactly is anti-Democrat? And she doesn’t want to be anti-life, so she wants to be pro-life, is that it? Or not. I don’t mean to make light of this, but this is what happens when man (including woman) tries to make sense of the world without God. Let’s see, she’s trying to leave Christianity in the name of Christ. That’s hard to believe. I’m interested in the stories of people leaving the church. Because they have been blessed by gathering to worship God, and that blessing will follow them. But it is a journey, isn’t it? We have to confront sin, and we need to follow God. This is not intolerance and bigotry: Will we find any sin as we encounter gay life, feminism, artificial birth control, Democrats, secular humanism, agendas against God in the name of science, or life in general? Yes. Yes, we will find sin and we will need to confront it. Should we condone the killing of gays. No. No, of course not. But if you look the words of Christ, did he ever say kill a gay man, or woman? I can’t find it. He stopped the Jews from stoning a woman for adultery. But, he said, go, and sin no more. I think Ann is trying not to sin. Thanks for this story.


Steve Carlson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 10:14 am

Sorry, clarification: Should read “So let’s see, she’s leaving because she refuses to be anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-artificial birth control, anti-Democrat, anti-secular humanism, anti-science, anti-life, and rejects contemporary ignorance, bigotry, and intolerance.


Stubby56
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 10:56 am

Sorry, Steve, the Constitution is in no way based on a faith in the christian god. Show me one mention of God (any god), Christ, Jesus, or any specific religion. Grow up.


charles thompson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

Steve – This story was about Bradlee Dean, whose resemblance to Your Lord Jesus Christ is kind of remote.


Steve Carlson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 12:15 pm

I’ll show you, Stubby. But it is definitely true that the country was founded on religion. Remember, we were endowed by our “Creator” with the inalienable rights, otherwise why could they not be alienated (taken away from us). Seriously. I’ll follow up on this. I’ve done quite a bit of research on this, and now I see it is an issue in my campaign. http://www.stevecarlsonforcongress2010.com.


Steve Carlson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 12:22 pm

@charles thompson. You know you don’t have to capitalize “Your”, Mr. Thompson. I think Bradlee misspoke. He was comparing “morals” between Islam and American Christians. But Christ did not speak of “morals”, every society has mores. Christ spoke of commands from God, of the destructiveness of sin (for those of us concerned about destructiveness), and of grace. I hope Bradlee will reconsider his remarks and correct them. I’m sure he could be a real witness for Christ if he is on target. My sense is that he wants to protect younger boys from being victimized by homosexuality. But such draconian measures as he apparently supported or approved of would undoubtedly be sinful. Nonetheless, I don’t think Ann Rice should leave the church on account of this. I don’t know what conversation she got involved in, but I’m sure she just had an off-day.


Steve Carlson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 12:30 pm

ALSO, I looked further into the issue. The Living Word church agreed with me: “Our faith community at LWCC believes it is the love of God who draws all men (people) to Him, not condemnation or judgment.” I assume that includes gays. I also see that in another remark people were talking about “crimes against nature.” I do not find that in the Bible, certainly not the New Testament. “Nature” is not an authority. Seems to be some kind of pseudo-scientific artifice. Our nature is how we were created. Of course, Creation itself is under attack. As we were created, sex is for reproduction, which has a special place in our lives. It’s a gift for a purpose. Creation shows us the way, while nature and evolution theories do not.


Dano
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

This lady is about as stable as a tetter totter.


Thomas Butler
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 12:37 pm

the”Creator” is a Deist concept – nowhere does theConstitution mention Christ.

and just because the Living Word church agrees with you does not make either of you right.


JeffMinneapolis.
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 1:15 pm

You go girl. Christians want people to embrace their beliefs and then when people accept and become apart of it they see how fucked up the place is. Good for you Anne Rice.


lisamp
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

hey, Progressively Queer,

agreed. it is always people and their ‘churches’ that ruin chrisitianity. i was born and raised a catholic but didn’t feel christian until i decided to cut through the bullshiite and ignore the pope. straight to the source – the tenets – and dogma avoidance works for me.


Steve Carlson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 1:44 pm

@Thomas Butler, “the”Creator” is a Deist concept.” I find in the first verse of the Bible it says “In the beginning God created the heavens and earth,” something like that. So the Deists were there writing that.

But you say when the Declaration said men are “endowed by their Creator” they were talking about some Deist concept, not a Christian concept? Maybe they were talking about some other “creator” like themselves maybe? We know that the founders did not want to favor a religion as the basis of the state, because the Anglican Church had required them to support a priest in each county, and they believed this was oppression by England. But I don’t think they were trying to renounce all the beliefs they held or their many statements owing to God the ability to gain Independence from England and establish a government which would survive.


Steve Carlson
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

Yes, and also lisamp, the Catholic Church has a lot of knowledge that can help guide mature Christians. I would not want to be anti-Papist and so vote in things like divorce, abortion, etc. The Catholic Church remains a strong force for good. I was not raised Catholic, but I notice Catholics take a lot of important things very seriously, and I am thankful for them.


BrianX
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

Steve:

The Declaration is not a legal document. It is a press release. The Constitution does not mention or invoke God at any point; the “no religious test” clause insures that at least for holding public office on the federal level, believers are not allowed priority over anyone else; the First Amendment requires the federal government to stay away from the religion business; and the Fourteenth Amendment makes sure that these requirements apply to the states as well.


noodleman
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 2:19 pm

@Steve Carlson: LOL. “We are endowed by our Creator …” is from the Declaration of Independence — a document that has absolutely no legal bearing whatsoever as the law of the land. None. Nada. Zen.

The Constitution makes just one, single mention of the word “Lord” (with not a “God” or “Christ” in sight) but not in the context of the legalese before it upon which the United States government was formed; only in the context of the date upon which the Constitution was promulgated. That was the custom back then.

So, really, there is no basis upon which anyone can claim the US was founded as a “Christian” nation. Many of the Founding Fathers were, in fact, Christian Deists who had rather strong opinions against established religion (esp. the Anglican church) and clergy.


Progressively Queer
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

The Catholic Church is the largest force opposed to good and moral things. If they were good, they’d care less about converting anybody to their faith and more about providing charities. But as soon as a place legalizes something like marriage equality, oh hell no! They throw down the gauntlet and remove all their charities from that place.


Thomas Butler
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 3:28 pm

If you want to have some fun – find a book by Jonathan Kirsch titled”God Against the Gods”


Dave
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 9:01 pm

“As we were created, sex is for reproduction”

If that’s all you’ve figured out about sex, you don’t know what you’re doing.

“Creation shows us the way, while nature and evolution theories do not.”

Translated: “I am a flat-earth moron. I do not understand anything about science or how anything in nature works because my preacher tells me different, so the Bible is my only reality. This qualifies me to be an elected representative of a small portion of the people of the 4th District of Minnesota.”


DuckPhup
Comment posted July 30, 2010 @ 9:27 pm

Steve Carlson wrote: “But it is definitely true that the country was founded on religion.”

What a great way for a politician to start-out a comment… with a LIE.

This nation was founded on the HUMANIST ideals that arose during the Age of Reason… the very ideals that DEPRIVED the Christ-cult of the political power which had theretofore enabled them to terrorize the population by torturing anyone who dared to espouse non-canonical ideas, and follow-up by chucking them into a vat of boiling oil, or nail their tongues to the roof of their mouths, and burn them at the stake. The Christ-cult basis for government power and authority… the ‘divine right of kings’… was resoundingly REJECTED by the founders, who in it’s place invoked the secular concept: ‘consent of the governed’.

The foundational law of our country DOES NOT come from God… the bible… the Ten Commandments… and you will find NONE of that in our Constitution. Rather, our foundational law comes from Greek law… Roman law… English ‘common law’… and the Code of Hammarubi, which pre-dates the bible by a thousand years. The inspiration for the Constitution itself comes from the Constitution of the Iroquois Confederation.

I challenge you to find even ONE biblical or Christian principle in the Constitution. (HINT: You will FAIL… because there are NONE.)

Steve Carlson wrote: “Remember, we were endowed by our ‘Creator’ with the inalienable rights, otherwise why could they not be alienated (taken away from us).”

‘Inalienable rights’ IS NOT a ‘Christian’ concept… and neither are freedom of religion… freedom of speech… and the ‘rights of man’ (a.k.a., ‘human rights’). In fact, those are ALL anathema to Christianity. Rather, they are evil, satanic, heretical, blasphemous, diabolical SECULAR HUMANIST ideals that arose from humanist philosophers in the ‘Age of Reason’.

Sure, most of the ‘Founding Fathers’ where Christians of one sort or another… but the ARCHITECTS of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution WERE NOT. They were DEISTS. The AUTHOR of the Declaration… Jefferson… DESPISED Christianity. The ‘creator’ in the DoI IS NOT the ‘Christian’ god… the deity of the Abrahamic death-cults of desert monotheism (Judaism… Islam… Christ-cult)… it is a metaphor for ‘nature’ itself. Consider ‘zeitgeist’… the ‘spirit of the times’. AT that time, the idea that the world/universe could have come into existence WITHOUT a ‘creator’ was inconceivable, because there was no paradigm in existence that could explain how complexity could arise from simplicity via natural processes. But NOW… TODAY… everywhere we LOOK, we can SEE complexity arising from simplicity via natural processes. Well… those of us who BOTHER to look can see it, and understand it. Delusional God-bots who REFUSE to look DO NOT see it. Anyway… the ‘deist’ god CREATED… and then went on vacation, and hasn’t been seen or heard from since.

The CHRISTIAN ‘founding fathers’ voted UNANIMOUSLY for a SECULAR government, based on HUMANIST principles rather than RELIGIOUS (read: ‘Christian’) principles. Why do you suppose THAT was? Well… it was because they were afraid of EACH OTHER. Most of the colonies were under the thrall of DIFFERENT Christ-cult sects… and it was still fresh in their memories that Maryland had had a law that carried the DEATH PENALTY for NOT ‘believing’ in the ‘trinity’… that Puritans in Massachusetts had HANGED Quakers… for ‘preaching’. Pennsylvania and New Jersey were the ONLY colonies that had anything that even REMOTELY resembled ‘freedom of religion’.

The founding fathers were in fear that if ‘religion’ were a component of government, a Christ-cult sect OTHER than their own might achieve ascendancy on the national level, and they they would end up being the persecutEES, rather than the persecutORS.

Steve Carlson wrote: “Seriously. I’ll follow up on this.”

Please do. It will be very entertaining to see you publicly expose your profound ignorance with respect to the history of our nation… the nature of your own religion… and the HISTORY of your own religion. It will be very entertaining to see you publicly explain how you ‘believe’ (the ILLUSION of knowledge) that a cosmic Jewish zombie, who is His own father, can make you live forever if you undergo a magical soul-douching ritual (complete with ‘holy’ water, incantations, waving of hands), eat His flesh (genuine USDA Grade-A God-meat, in the form of a cracker) and beg Him to be your Master (arf!) so He can remove an evil force from your soul that exists in humanity because a naive and innocent rib-girl was tricked by a malevolent entity (disguised a talking snake, with legs) into eating a piece of magical fruit from an enchanted tree… (etc.)… and something is horribly wrong with people who AREN’T so stupid and gullible that they can be made to believe such ridiculous codswallop.

Steve Carlson wrote: “I’ve done quite a bit of research on this, and now I see it is an issue in my campaign.”

If you indeed HAVE “done quite a bit of research on this,” and arrived at the views that you have expressed throughout as a consequence of your (alleged) ‘research’, then all you will have accomplished is to reveal and demonstrate that you are EITHER an thoroughly INCOMPETENT researcher OR an unrepentant LFJ™ (Liar For Jesus)… and that IS NOT a ‘false dichotomy’.

Please DO make this an issue in your campaign. It will be great fun, rebutting your public statements and educating your Christ-cult constituency with ACTUAL, documented historical resources… with IN CONTEXT quotes and correspondence of historical figures… in stark contrast to the deceitful quote-mining and made-up quotes that back-up the PSEUDO-history from the likes of liars like David Barton, as is being inflicted on innocent, trusting children via ‘Christian’ home-schooling, and in so-called ‘Christian Academies’.


gocart mozart
Comment posted July 31, 2010 @ 2:04 am

Steve said “What would an election be without Christ. There would be no election. Because our Constitution was founded on a faith in the Christian God, you can read it documented in history. Is Ann going to leave elections too?”

Show me where in the bible elections are mentioned Steve?
Freedom of Religion? Can you cite something from any of the democratically elected Popes in the 2000 year history of the Catholic Church? Can you find any evidence in the First Commandment which I believe you think states
“I am the Lord thy God; but your right to have strange gods before Me shall be protected under the free exercise clause of the First Ammendment.”


Tim Bonham
Comment posted July 31, 2010 @ 5:30 am

“This story was about Bradlee Dean, whose resemblance to Your Lord Jesus Christ is kind of remote.”

Oh, I don’t know — he’s in his 30′s, unmarried, and hangs around with a band of guys. Now if Bradlee would just tell us which one of them is his very own ‘beloved disciple’ …

Just looking at pictures of him, and reading his over-the-top statements, I expect that within a couple of years we will put him with Ted Haggard, Sen. Larry Craig, Rev. Rekers, or his local buddy Rev. Tom Brock.


timberwraith
Comment posted July 31, 2010 @ 1:12 pm

Anne Rice, kudos to you for seeking your own path rather than passively moving along with the rest of the flock. Jesus challenged the religious practices of his day as being morally suspect. It would seem to me that you are following in Jesus’ footsteps. In a country where the public face of Christianity has been distorted into a hyper-political movement bent on repressing women, LGBT people, and other disfavored groups, your actions are entirely understandable. Love doesn’t vote away people’s rights and well being at the ballot box.

As for the notion that the United States is a “Christian nation,” I shake my head in sadness. I grew up believing that the United States was founded upon religious freedom. How exactly is religious freedom promoted by the notion that this country is a land that is only devoted to *one* religion?

Even if the US were officially designated as a “Christian nation,” which denomination becomes favored above others? There are over a thousand denominations in the US and over 30,000 in the world. The beliefs and mores of those denominations range quite widely. For example, the beliefs and moral precepts of Quakers and the United Church of Christ are quite different from those of Southern Baptists and independent, conservative, evangelical churches (i.e. “mega-churches”). So, which variety of Christianity does the US devote itself too? Which version of Christianity becomes imprinted upon our laws, our media, and our shared ethics?

So, do folks want to establish the US as a Christian nation, recognizing the full range of beliefs falling under the word “Christian,” or do they want the US to represent only a *particular version* of Christianity… You know, the more boisterous, politically dominant version that favors a biblically inerrant, fundamentalist take on Christianity? I wonder…


ZeraLee
Comment posted July 31, 2010 @ 6:07 pm

Our Constitution was not founded on a faith in the Christian God. You can read it documented in history, but you better hurry. Radical Christians are literally rewriting history in an overt act of subversion.

The idea of a “Christian Nation” conflicts directly with the designs and intentions of the Founding Fathers. True freedom of religion can only exist when the government remains neutral. That neutrality can only survive when religion stays out of politics, hence the “wall of separation”.

“Our ancient charter together with the law made coincident therewith, were adopted as the basis of our government, at the time of our revolution; and such had been our laws and usages, and such still are; that religion is considered as the first object of legislation; and therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the state) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights; and these favors we receive at the expense of such degrading acknowledgements as are inconsistent with the rights of freemen. It is not to be wondered at therefore; if those who seek after power and gain under the pretense of government and religion should reproach their fellow men–should reproach their order magistrate, as a enemy of religion, law, and good order, because he will not, dare not, assume the prerogatives of Jehovah and make laws to govern the kingdom of Christ.”
The Danbury Baptists’ letter to Thomas Jefferson

What would an election be without Christ? It would be democracy in action, free of theocracy and religious persecution.


Beware
Comment posted August 1, 2010 @ 12:24 am

Why are some people so against this country being called a Christian nation? How exactly does that hurt you? You won’t have to change your ways, stop sinning and start singing hymns. Really.

While everyone is so focused on hating Christians for standing up for morality, trying to live blameless before God and telling the world about Jesus, Muslims are quietly building their mosques, growing their neighborhood cells and converting our youth. Before you know it, this country WON’T be Christian, it will be under Islamic rule. Guess what people, they are a helluva lot more threatening than those Bible thumping Christians. Women are forced to cover their entire bodies or be beaten, and guess what they do to gays? Yep, instant death penalty. When that day comes, you’re gonna realize those Christians weren’t so bad after all. Be careful what you wish for…


gocart mozart
Comment posted August 1, 2010 @ 1:49 am

ZeraLee is right of course. I did not not have the time, inclination or respect to refute Steve in so serious a manner. Thumbs up Zero and Timberwraith.

“So, do folks want to establish the US as a Christian nation, recognizing the full range of beliefs falling under the word “Christian,” or do they want the US to represent only a *particular version* of Christianity…”

I’m gonna go with #2. [What, did Islam, Judiism, Hinduism, Buhdism and so on, not make the playoffs?]

Hint: They want to “turn us back” to the Tea Bag Konstitution and not the real Constitution which everyone knows has a blatent liberal bias what with its talk about “Equal Protection” of the laws and “Due Process” for its citizens and so forth.


timberwraith
Comment posted August 1, 2010 @ 2:15 am

No gocart mozart, Islam, Judiism, Hinduism, and Buhdism didn’t make it to the playoffs because they weren’t represented by any of the founding fathers. The religious beliefs of Native Americans might have been represented had it not been for that nasty habit of the founding people of this great nation to exterminate those who lived here before them. The religious beliefs of African slaves might have been represented if they hadn’t been brought to the shores of this great nation as, well, slaves. So, the only truly “American” religion is Christianity. If you lived here before the European invasion, or arrived here against your will in the festering belly of a slave ship, or if you arrived in this country after folks drew up the Constitution, you are SOL. Christianity was the religion of the fair minded founders of this great nation and given the loving behavior of this nation’s founding people, obviously, their traditions should be obeyed forever more.


timberwraith
Comment posted August 1, 2010 @ 2:25 am

For those who had difficulty decoding my sarcasm, let me say this: there were many non-Christian spiritual/religious practices on the shores of North America when this country was forming. However, it is only the religious beliefs of the most powerful that history remembers. Of course, the victors write history, no? We remember the wonders of democracy and attribute that to our Christian forefathers, but we tend to ignore their more negative actions: genocide and slavery.


timberwraith
Comment posted August 1, 2010 @ 2:52 am

There’s also evidence that democratic government was influenced by Native American’s own version of democracy:

“The Iroquois nations’ political confederacy and democratic government have been credited as influences on the Articles of Confederation and the United States Constitution.[51][52] Historians debate how much the colonists borrowed from existing Native American governmental models. Several founding fathers had contact with Native American leaders and had learned about their styles of government. Prominent figures such as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were more involved with leaders of the Iroquois Confederacy, based in New York. John Rutledge of South Carolina in particular is said to have read lengthy tracts of Iroquoian law to the other framers, beginning with the words, ‘We, the people, to form a union, to establish peace, equity, and order…’[53]”
(From Wikipedia.)

Do people talk about centering US society on Native American spiritual practices? No? Hmmmm…


afrobot
Comment posted August 1, 2010 @ 11:45 pm

errm, has anybody noticed Bradlee is only partially quoted?
we cannot accuse anyone based on a partial quote, with the context fully missing. perhaps he said and meant everything just as implied, or perhaps he did made no link between killing homosexuals and “morality”.

aside from the islamic atrocities we all know about, i am tempted to say your average citizen from islamic countries IS more moral than your average american. we are rampant hedonists by far, with little concern about moral living; it is well-known, globally.
it shouldnt surprise anyone that MANY countries surpass us in basic moral living.
if that’s all Bradlee meant, more power to him.
if he does think homosexuals should be subject to capital punishment, he is blatantly wrong, and obviously knows nothing about what christ taught.

but we need to substantiate what he really said and thinks before we commit the kind of witch-hunt we’re pretending to oppose.


mike
Comment posted August 2, 2010 @ 12:27 am

Ann Rice was never a Christian to begin with. Writing books on vampires? Gimme a break here


ZeraLee
Comment posted August 2, 2010 @ 5:30 am

Nobody hates Christians for living their lives according to their beliefs. But church doctrine has no authority beyond it’s own congregation. What freedom-loving Americans dislike about socially conservative Christians is their crusade to impose their beliefs on others, to make secular law conform to their religious doctrines and dogma. They are, in principle, no different than the Taliban. Obviously, Sharia law would face the same opposition.

We have long been known as a Christian nation, and technically it is more than half true. But that has been an unofficial designation. The problem is in trying to make it official, of putting one religion before all others, of creating an undeserved sense of entitlement, of turning religious freedom into a franchise operation.


Paul Schmelzer
Comment posted August 2, 2010 @ 8:33 am

We’ve reported extensively on Dean’s comments here, offering transcripts and audio on numerous occasions. Since you’re late to the story, I suggest you follow our hyperlinks back to get the context we’ve repeatedly provided.


farkel
Comment posted August 10, 2010 @ 12:34 am

Converting our youth, Beware? I was “converted” to Christianity starting at birth. My parents, like so many others, well-intentioned though they were, doomed my childhood to a fog of Christianity that I was unable to escape for decades, simply by assuming I was “born” Christian. Cultists? Snake handlers? Nope. United Church of Christ. Very low-key.

Was this a form of child abuse? Maybe not, but all these years later I do resent the intrusion and the assumption that I would ultimately prove incapable of deciding for myself.

I’ve been around the sun dozens and dozens of times, and, old and young, I’ve only ever been proselytized by Christians. Never by Muslims, never by Hindus, never by any other religion. Even Hari Krishnas only panhandle. And Christians have approached me dozens and dozens of times.

Many Christians seem to have no clue how offensive this proselytization is to others of us. How dare you? How dare you presume there’s something wrong with me because I refuse to believe in the supernatural? In particular, your wild brand of supernatural? Or that human thought can exist outside the human brain?

How does this “Christianization” agenda hurt me? Put yourself in my position for just a wee second: the country I love is in danger of being taken over by people who believe in supernatural mumbo-jumbo to such an extent that all’s fair within its context, and all rules derive from it. The Inquisition, alone, should show us all where such crap can lead. If you think we’re a long way from the Inquisition, just Google Christian hairband.

If you are killing people in the name of your God, you are missing the point. Not killing anyone, you say? Are you saying that?

So, that’s why, Beware. There are ghoulish knuckle-draggers in your midst, denying their involvement. Cast them out, and we’ll go out for coffee.

Ann Rice is on the right track. I applaud her courage.


Madeleine
Comment posted August 10, 2010 @ 11:53 pm

Steve, I REALLY hope that the only people who vote for you are your mother and perhaps your favorite house plant under an alias.

You’re also sadly mistaken about the constitution. Most of the founding fathers were deists or atheists. Deist does not equal Christian, far from it actually.

I find it extremely ironic that you called the laws of nature “pseudo-scientific.” That is definitely irony at it’s best.

Everything else I wanted to say has already been said by people much older and wiser than I. These people give me hope. You, Steve? You terrify me. It scares me to think about how many others like you there already are in Congress running my country, and about the fact that I can’t do a damn thing about it for another 3 years. It’s quite amusing how I’m not even old enough to vote, yet I understand the world far better than many “adults.”

Really, what is the difference between religion and an invisible friend? Simple; religion is far more demanding and self-centered. I never heard of anyone asking an invisible friend to fix all their problems for them.

By the way, if you think evolution and science are not relevant, please do me a favor and go back to 9th grade Biology. The evolution unit, to be more precise. You remind me of a girl in my class who continually stated throughout the unit that “it doesn’t make sense because if we stand in a pool for 10 years we won’t grow fins.”

Grow up, and please find some better sources of information.


APG
Comment posted December 12, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

.

If I could meet her in person, I would
love to say “Thank you Anne Rice –
for so very articulately stating what
I have felt in my heart for years” !!!!

One’s ‘Faith-in-Christ’ should IN NO WAY
be tied into the man-controlled ‘Religion’
that so many refer to as “Christianity”
(especially that apostate, psuedo-religious
political-movement called ‘evangelicalism’)

It took me forever to realize that my
relationship with God (as established
through Christ Jesus, God The Son) was
IN NO WAY dependent on the apostate
psuedo-religious movement sweeping
America in the name of the “church”.

If Christ were walking the earth today,
a lot of these same “religious” types
would be the first to demand that He
be ‘crucified’ — and based merely on
who He chose as FRIENDS (women,
gays, foreigners, immigrants, the poor,
the rejected, the downtrodden, the rich,
men, old, young, happy, sad, and so on).

The “evangelicals” (not to be mistaken
for TRUE FOLLOWERS of Christ) and
other “church” types have essentially
hijacked the Christian ‘Faith’ in order to
turn it into a mammon-worshipping,
power-mongering, “Religion” of hate.

These people are more akin to a system of
ANTI-CHRIST (i.e. “against”-Christ) than
to anything tied into WHO CHRIST IS.

Their evil has reached such profound levels
that even people who know and love Christ
are turned off from them and their words
(again proving these “church” types are
really nothing more than anti-Christ,
self-righteous Pharisees and are not
even remotely related to Jesus Christ).

Never again will I waste my time stepping
into the psuedo-religious social-club that
is known as “church” or associate myself
with the political-clique that is known as
‘christianity’ — because FROM NOW ON
– I realize that I do NOT “need” either
in order to have a relationship with MY
LORD JESUS CHRIST (in fact, those
two entities were actually ‘interfering’
with my relationship with God)

THROUGH CHRIST — GOD HAS OPENLY
EXPRESSED HIS LOVE TO ‘EVERYONE’
(no matter if rich, poor, gay, straight, male,
female, sickly, healthy and so on) — AND
CHRIST (not the so-called”church”) IS
‘THE DOOR’ and ‘THE WAY’ TO GOD!!

ALL ARE WELCOME TO APPROACH AND
TO ENTER THROUGH ‘THE DOOR’ TO GOD!!

NO ONE IS REJECTED BY JESUS CHRIST !!!

JESUS LOVED AND LOVES EVERYONE !!!

LET’S ALL TRY TO REMEMBER
THE BIBLE VERSE OF ‘JOHN 3:17’:

“For God did NOT send His Son
into the world – to condemn
the world, BUT that the world,
THROUGH HIM, might be SAVED !!!!”

JESUS CHIST – and *not* the institution known
as “the church” or the religion called “christianity”
— IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE!!!

LIKE MANY OTHER PEOPLE – I AM DONE
WITH THE CHURCH & WITH CHRISTIANITY
– AND FROM HERE ON OUT – MY FOCUS IS
ON (AND FAITH IN GOD RELIES IN) JESUS
CHRIST AND JESUS CHRIST ALONE !!!

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