Pawlenty says voters should toss pro-gay judges

What about when the people vote to allow gay marriage? What are you going to do to them, Pawlenty?

What about when the people will not vote to allow gay marriage?

T-Paw has the logic of a tree stump.

I’m still waiting for the *good* reasons why gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry each other.

How many times do we have to bring this up, T-Paw?! “THE PEOPLE” were against integrated schools once upon a time! If you like civil rights, thank a activist judge! Jeez!

“What about when the people vote to allow gay marriage? What are you going to do to them, Pawlenty?”

The only thing he can do: refuse to buy a gift on the registry list. And maybe he’ll refuse to catch the bouquet.

I find it funny that whenever a judge makes a decision the right doesn’t like, they are “activists”. But EVERY right leaning decision is based on “what the founding fathers…..”

The founding fathers believed that slavery was A-Ok. Jes sayin’.

“I’m still waiting for the *good* reasons why gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry each other.”

Every generation in every culture and every civilization since the beginning of time has defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

Throughout history, it has been an instituion intended to ensure that young men were raised to be self-reliant warriors and hunters, capable of providing food and protection for the children of the tribe. Young girls were taught to be the nurturers and caregivers of those who were too young or infirm to take care of themselves.

Young boys and young girls need the teaching and guidance from both men and women who bring those different skills and perspectives to the young person so they grow up with the best possible chance of surviving in the real world. Children who have been raised by a single parent, or by two parents with a single perspective, lack that mentoring from both a man and a woman and it generally shows. There are exceptions of course, but they are indeed exceptions.

This generation is the first one in the history of man to believe that none of that is important. And we have a disfunctional society with millions of dependent people as a result.

It’s the 21st century. It’s time for full civil and marriage equality rights in America.

Onward, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
Washington, Connecticut, USA.

Kudos to CT for being a marriage equality state since 2008.

And the anti-marriage folks just need to find another hobbie to focus on….

@Dennis
“Every generation in every culture and every civilization since the beginning of time has defined marriage as between a man and a woman.”

And where do you come up with crap like that? Every culture? Not true, not even most. Try ‘some’, some of the time.
“Marriage” is a recent thing.
The early church had ceremonies for same-sex unions.
Do a little research and check back when you know something.

Dennis, that’s a total load of crap. It’s nothing but lies and sexist nonsense, but I’m sure you feel really comfortable wrapped up in all of that.

Dennis, I don’t get it? In Minnesota, gay people can adopt now, so what does gay marriage have to do with that? Many children are being raised by one straight parent; do you want to outlaw that because they’re only getting one perspective? Why do you assume that every gay marriage will include children in some way?

Sorry Pawlenty, but many judges are appointed, not elected. You can’t get rid of all of the ones you don’t like. The funny thing is, the judge in California that ruled against Proposition 8 was appointed by Reagan. So much for selecting conservative judges….

The argument that marriage has always been between one man and one woman is the first faulty premise. Just look in the Bible… Jacob, Solomon… in biblical times women were also property, and just because the Bible does not specify same-gender “marriage” does not mean that same- gender committed relationships did not occur. I wish the conservatives would focus on things that really matter, instead of trying to discriminate against adults who are different from them, who love each other and want the same protections that marriage affords heterosexual couples. This campaign to punish judges who recognize the inequity of the marriage laws is pathetic.

Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality.

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Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don’t choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.

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The National Library of Medicine pubs confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society.

From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychological Asociation and American Psychiatric Asociation have endorsed civil marriage for same-sex couples because marriage strengthens mental and physical health and longevity of couples, and provides greater legal and financial security for children, parents and seniors.

America’s premier child/mental health associations endorse marriage equality.

This was taken from another poster that shows why we need to legalize gay marriage. If you don’t feel for this person after reading it, you simply aren’t human.

“I am not sure what our President thinks of this dicission but coming from a poor family and knowing what discrimination is all about I would assume he would not care if “Gays” have equal rights. The whole reason why they are asking for rights to be considered married is from the same reason why I would be for it. My own life partner commited suicide in our home with a gun to his heart. After a 28 year union I was deprived to even go his funeral. We had two plots next to each other. But because we did not have a marriage cirtificate “(Legal Document)” of our union his mother had him cremated and his ashes taken back to Missouri where we came from. That is only one example how painful it is. His suicide tramatized me so much and her disregard for my feelings only added to my heartach. That happened on March 21 of 2007 and I still cannot type this without crying for the trauma I have to endure each day. Oh did I mention I am in an electric wheelchair for life? Yes I am and it is very diffacult to find another mate when you are 58 and in a wheelchair. “

No one person should be allowed to make decisions like this for the mases. Thats dictatorial! Put it to a vote!

Hey Shadow Man, who’s cherry picking? You perhaps?
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination”. (Leviticus 18:22)
or
If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. (Leviticus 20:13)

These passages vary from one version to the next(as with most passages), but the message is the same.

Personally I believe God is a creation of man, not the other way around.

The longer this goes on, the more the people who call themselves Christians reveal themselves to be petty, vindictive, hate-filled, repressive, regressive, anti-science, anti-civil rights, anti-justice, anti-equality liars. The religious right has painted itself into a corner with this issue and they appear to be willing to crash and burn Christianity itself in order to be allowed to continue persecuting gays and lesbians. I have never understood what drives this hatred in them, but their lack of logic is becoming apparent to more and more people.

And based on what? Jesus Christ himself said absolutely ZERO about homosexuality. Nothing. If it was so all-consumingly central and important to the basis of Christianity to treat gays and lesbians as second-class citizens, you would think that he would have at least once said at least one sentence about it.

It really says something about the character of Tim Pawlenty that he is eager to pander to these bigots in his quest for higher political office.

What?? T-Paw wants to toss off gay judges??

Hey, “Kirk the Jerk” — let’s not forget that eating shellfish, wearing cotton/poly clothing blends, touching the skin of a pig (football) and any number of other things are also “abominations.” If you want to go live like a nomad from 2500 years ago, I’m sure they’re all real good rules. However, selling your daughter into slavery nowadays (the Bible has rules for how you can do that, too) would get you into trouble.

[...] Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said in a visit to Iowa that voters should work to remove judges who overturn bans on same-sex marriage. This is the fourth visit Pawlenty has made to Iowa recently, where he is most probably campaigning for the Republican nomination for president in 2012 according to the Minnesota Independent. [...]

Pat B, if we had to wait for Dennis to actually learn something before he posted we’d never hear from him. If the Internet had been around in the 1960s, we’d be getting a bunch of lies and nonsense from him about the horrors of interracial marriage.

I should also add that Dennis’ hero Newt Gingrich loves his children so much he’s provided them with three mothers, because his dedication to traditional marriage is so strong that he’s had three of them. In fact, Gingrich is such a self-reliant hunter that he went out and found new wives while he was still married to his current ones. Now that’s a role model for the sanctity of traditional marriage.

The reproduction argument is unconvincing. Nowhere in the United States is reproduction a requirement for marriage. Nor is marriage a requirement for reproduction.

It’s impossible to have a rational debate regarding same-sex marriage — because of the irrational, hostile bias against gay people that is the foundation of the opposition’s case. This is exactly why they lost the Prop 8 trial — they could not support their bias or their claims, and that fact is further reinforced in every single discussion of this topic I’ve participated with online. There simply are no intelligent, rational voices on the opposition’s side. And there won’t be, because it’s all about their unfounded prejudice. Marriage equality is a slow train coming, and there may be some reversals, but it is here to stay, not only in America, but in all corners of the globe.

Apparently Dennis is not familiar with this study that found children of gay couples develop just as well as those of heterosexuals:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/college-inc/2010/07/study_lesbian_gay_couples_thri.html

Which specifically states: “Research suggests that family processes, such as parenting quality and attachment, are more important predictors of child outcomes than is family structure,” the study says. “These associations have been found both in biological and adoptive families, and among families with lesbian, gay parents and heterosexual parents.”

And goes on to state:

“Even the gender development of children adopted by same-sex couples — perhaps the greatest concern of some critics — mirrored that of children adopted by heterosexual couples.

“Regardless of whether their parents were lesbian, gay or heterosexual, most boys exhibited behavior typical of other same-aged boys, and most girls exhibited behavior typical of other same-aged girls,” the authors write.”

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Dear Timmy “I-wanna-be-president-someday” Pawlenty:

Judge Vaughn Walker is a conservative judge. He’s so conservative, that he decided to uphold the constitution.

So, Governor Pawlenty thinks voters should oust appointed (not elected) judges? How does he propose they do that? Isn’t part of the reasoning behind having appointed (versus elected) judges is so they won’t be subject to the whim of the voters, and to allow for more stability on the bench? Otherwise, why not just have the voters vote on every case?

Sure, Timmy, lets get rid of all the anti-gay judges too. Maybe then we will have judges who respect the law. Except that the ones you object to are generally the ones interpreting the law as written.

Or maybe we should just skip the law and redefine justice to mean whatever you personally think it should mean. We could pay lip service to rule of law and elect judges who will interpret the law according to populist ideology of the moment.

Better idea: effect the Republic promised by the Constitution!

This might be a radical suggestion to the contemporary political right, but instead of making whether or not they struck down gay marriage bans a criteria, perhaps judges should be judged by how well they uphold the Constitution. It’s archaic, I know…I mean, it’s a concept something like 220 odd years old…but it’s seemed to work OK so far. Granted, I know the Constitution itself needs to be improved by the contemporary political right (especially the 14th amendment), but maybe we shouldn’t change the function of judges at this time.