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		<title>By: unknown...</title>
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		<dc:creator>unknown...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harsh, they ripped off his shirt, what is wrong with there ppl, hes just a kid... they could have killed him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harsh, they ripped off his shirt, what is wrong with there ppl, hes just a kid&#8230; they could have killed him.</p>
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		<title>By: caitie</title>
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		<dc:creator>caitie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really people. He was an ordinary kid. keep fighting do what you can. 
my brother was involved of all of this. 
he is the most kind hearted kid there is. 
yet, the police found it important to charge him with felony riot.
all because he had a lucky crystal in his pocket that the police accused him of &quot;carrying a stone that could indeed break a window&quot;
yeah right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really people. He was an ordinary kid. keep fighting do what you can.<br />
my brother was involved of all of this.<br />
he is the most kind hearted kid there is.<br />
yet, the police found it important to charge him with felony riot.<br />
all because he had a lucky crystal in his pocket that the police accused him of &#8220;carrying a stone that could indeed break a window&#8221;<br />
yeah right.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comical... Robbins Kaplan Miller and Ciresi I&#039;d be real surprised if these clowns even sniffed at this. These lawyers aren&#039;t interested in some 17 y/o punks sob story... There&#039;s no money in it. They are trial lawyers Krissy... Now if they could file a class action suit maybe, but that won&#039;t happen because it would be against the government, the very hand that feeds them indirectly when they sue large corporations and common sense is ignored. In case you didn&#039;t know it, scumbag Ciresi is one of the richest Minnesotans. His wealth came primarily from the award in the tobacco case. 
You also need to re-read the Contstitution. It has little to do with your comments or the sad sack punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comical&#8230; Robbins Kaplan Miller and Ciresi I&#8217;d be real surprised if these clowns even sniffed at this. These lawyers aren&#8217;t interested in some 17 y/o punks sob story&#8230; There&#8217;s no money in it. They are trial lawyers Krissy&#8230; Now if they could file a class action suit maybe, but that won&#8217;t happen because it would be against the government, the very hand that feeds them indirectly when they sue large corporations and common sense is ignored. In case you didn&#8217;t know it, scumbag Ciresi is one of the richest Minnesotans. His wealth came primarily from the award in the tobacco case.<br />
You also need to re-read the Contstitution. It has little to do with your comments or the sad sack punk.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Smith-Tourville,

Take your photos and your hospital report and your statement of the event and your son&#039;s statement and all the other evidence you can gather (does your son have the &quot;remember 9/11&quot; t-shirt? Bring it, blood stains and all--as if the Iraq debacle had anything to do with Osama bin Laden and 9/11....) and contact the law firm, Robbins Kaplan Miller and Ciresi in downtown Minneapolis. They are the best at exposing and fighting grave injustice. What happened to your son is outrageous and a disgrace to the Republic, the Constitution and the Founders of this great nation. The barking dogs who have criticized you above sing a different tune quick when police decide to kick their teeth in.

Good luck. Keep fighting. We don&#039;t need another McCarthy era. Funny how many people forget that the Patriots were the rebels fighting British oppression. The Patriots were not toadies to the oppression but heroes who resisted it. Praising those who act like the very British we rose up to defeat is so un-American--and ironic...the mark of a population that doesn&#039;t know and doesn&#039;t care what justice and reason are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Smith-Tourville,</p>
<p>Take your photos and your hospital report and your statement of the event and your son&#8217;s statement and all the other evidence you can gather (does your son have the &#8220;remember 9/11&#8243; t-shirt? Bring it, blood stains and all&#8211;as if the Iraq debacle had anything to do with Osama bin Laden and 9/11&#8230;.) and contact the law firm, Robbins Kaplan Miller and Ciresi in downtown Minneapolis. They are the best at exposing and fighting grave injustice. What happened to your son is outrageous and a disgrace to the Republic, the Constitution and the Founders of this great nation. The barking dogs who have criticized you above sing a different tune quick when police decide to kick their teeth in.</p>
<p>Good luck. Keep fighting. We don&#8217;t need another McCarthy era. Funny how many people forget that the Patriots were the rebels fighting British oppression. The Patriots were not toadies to the oppression but heroes who resisted it. Praising those who act like the very British we rose up to defeat is so un-American&#8211;and ironic&#8230;the mark of a population that doesn&#8217;t know and doesn&#8217;t care what justice and reason are.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe keeping your juvenile son home instead of allowing him to participate in mob action would be a start. Except you&#039;re just as much a pacifist as the punk is. Too bad no-ones really spoke out on what it was like on the other side. A lot of the cops were pretty fearful of what could happen, thus the heavy handed tactics. So when you have groups of people and asshole organizations such as MoveOn and the RNC welcoming committee recruiting people to come to St.Paul and start destroying public and private property, the cops are gonna be on edge. Protestors making shields out of metal and driving sprikes through them. Gee, wonder what that&#039;s for. Each and every one of those assholes just needs the living piss kicked out of them. Hey Mom, did you tell sonny to peacefully march? Probably not. And of course here&#039;s a picture of little Johnny (and either a truant or dropout) sitting in the middle of the street. What an absolute joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe keeping your juvenile son home instead of allowing him to participate in mob action would be a start. Except you&#8217;re just as much a pacifist as the punk is. Too bad no-ones really spoke out on what it was like on the other side. A lot of the cops were pretty fearful of what could happen, thus the heavy handed tactics. So when you have groups of people and asshole organizations such as MoveOn and the RNC welcoming committee recruiting people to come to St.Paul and start destroying public and private property, the cops are gonna be on edge. Protestors making shields out of metal and driving sprikes through them. Gee, wonder what that&#8217;s for. Each and every one of those assholes just needs the living piss kicked out of them. Hey Mom, did you tell sonny to peacefully march? Probably not. And of course here&#8217;s a picture of little Johnny (and either a truant or dropout) sitting in the middle of the street. What an absolute joke.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all of you wondering if he had been doing anything to incite the police abuse...

No... incredibly unlikely. I was with the group that he was in for most of Monday... I remember multiple occasions when I saw him peacefully, quietly standing near the line of riot police. At times he would shake the bells in his hand... as other people had instruments or ways to make music, part of our attempts to reclaim the streets. 

While you might say he looks like a punk, you might say he had been with the &#039;anarchists&#039; prior to his arrest, and you might even say he was stupid for protesting, I respectfully, whole-heartedly disagree. He was one of those human beings that you distinctly remember... for his gentleness, for his good intentions, for his lack of fear. This was a boy--17 years-old!!!--who was not afraid of the police. He is an example of Nonviolence, and of a sort of Direct Action... even though he was not intended to get arrested, but merely targeted. 

While I cannot speak for him, I will defend his actions--or his lack of action--where he quietly stood by the police, indicating that he was not afraid of the pepper-spray or tear gas or batons, and he had come to St. Paul to protest an unwarranted occupation of Iraq. He was not protesting by breaking windows or yelling. He was willing to sacrifice his own health and well-being, and risk arrest, to make a quiet, yet bold statement. 

So for all you who post attacks on internet message boards after having spent no time organizing or taking a stand on the streets, I ask you:
If that is not standing up for what you believe in, and that is not a respectable act of non-violent self sacrifice, then what is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of you wondering if he had been doing anything to incite the police abuse&#8230;</p>
<p>No&#8230; incredibly unlikely. I was with the group that he was in for most of Monday&#8230; I remember multiple occasions when I saw him peacefully, quietly standing near the line of riot police. At times he would shake the bells in his hand&#8230; as other people had instruments or ways to make music, part of our attempts to reclaim the streets. </p>
<p>While you might say he looks like a punk, you might say he had been with the &#8216;anarchists&#8217; prior to his arrest, and you might even say he was stupid for protesting, I respectfully, whole-heartedly disagree. He was one of those human beings that you distinctly remember&#8230; for his gentleness, for his good intentions, for his lack of fear. This was a boy&#8211;17 years-old!!!&#8211;who was not afraid of the police. He is an example of Nonviolence, and of a sort of Direct Action&#8230; even though he was not intended to get arrested, but merely targeted. </p>
<p>While I cannot speak for him, I will defend his actions&#8211;or his lack of action&#8211;where he quietly stood by the police, indicating that he was not afraid of the pepper-spray or tear gas or batons, and he had come to St. Paul to protest an unwarranted occupation of Iraq. He was not protesting by breaking windows or yelling. He was willing to sacrifice his own health and well-being, and risk arrest, to make a quiet, yet bold statement. </p>
<p>So for all you who post attacks on internet message boards after having spent no time organizing or taking a stand on the streets, I ask you:<br />
If that is not standing up for what you believe in, and that is not a respectable act of non-violent self sacrifice, then what is?</p>
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		<title>By: Fonos Natas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fonos Natas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro-cop scum who enjoy uniformed filth beating the shit out of unarmed people...nice. That&#039;s what I&#039;ve come to expect from this USA ratfucker land, full of &quot;law and order&quot; filth who think treating their &quot;own&quot; people like Iraqis is acceptable. Show these badass pigs that even the toughest scumbags sometimes get raped, tortured and shot. You think their bosses will give a damn? Hell no. The government hates its own cops just as much as it hates anyone else. Cops are chumps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro-cop scum who enjoy uniformed filth beating the shit out of unarmed people&#8230;nice. That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve come to expect from this USA ratfucker land, full of &#8220;law and order&#8221; filth who think treating their &#8220;own&#8221; people like Iraqis is acceptable. Show these badass pigs that even the toughest scumbags sometimes get raped, tortured and shot. You think their bosses will give a damn? Hell no. The government hates its own cops just as much as it hates anyone else. Cops are chumps.</p>
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		<title>By: kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to give up your peaceful Buddhism and pick up a gun boy!  We out number them, big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to give up your peaceful Buddhism and pick up a gun boy!  We out number them, big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an appalling story. The same thing nearly happened to my seventy-two year old mother at a protest in San Francisco. She was just trying to get away from an area that was heating up, and a bunch of cops surrounded her and her friend and started shoving them around.&lt;br&gt;  Makes me wish I were a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an appalling story. The same thing nearly happened to my seventy-two year old mother at a protest in San Francisco. She was just trying to get away from an area that was heating up, and a bunch of cops surrounded her and her friend and started shoving them around.<br />  Makes me wish I were a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am a mother whose child was involved in these protests, with my blessings.  I would have been there too but I can&#039;t run so fast anymore. My 19 year old was arrested on 9-4-08 along with many others who were peacefully protesting but the permit had expired.  The riot police ordered everyone to leave but then blocked off all the exits and tear gassed the crowd.  There are other stories too that I could tell but I won&#039;t bore you, we&#039;ve heard all this already.  Atrocities all around.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is legal action being taken, my daughter and her friend have already been to 2 meetings with legal counsel.  I won&#039;t let this rest myself, I am still so angry that peaceful protesters can be treated like this.  I have been one myself on several occasions and still find it difficult to believe how the peaceful protesters were treated in St Paul.  This treatment will not stand.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The police in St Paul had a 50 million grant from Homeland Security, because evidently the American people are the enemy now, so each arrest cost this country approximately $60K.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I read this from an anonymous source, and if I didn&#039;t think it credible I would not post it here.&lt;br&gt;quote: Aug 24 2008 2:17 PM &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i talked to some Anonymous man in the military working at the rnc and he said if the protesters dont start a riot the military is ordered to start one for republican sympathy and so the can use those millions of dollars of &quot;non-lethal&quot; weapons they bought. such as rubber bullets, tasers, taser riot shields,and rubber ball grenades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am a mother whose child was involved in these protests, with my blessings.  I would have been there too but I can&#39;t run so fast anymore. My 19 year old was arrested on 9-4-08 along with many others who were peacefully protesting but the permit had expired.  The riot police ordered everyone to leave but then blocked off all the exits and tear gassed the crowd.  There are other stories too that I could tell but I won&#39;t bore you, we&#39;ve heard all this already.  Atrocities all around.</p>
<p>There is legal action being taken, my daughter and her friend have already been to 2 meetings with legal counsel.  I won&#39;t let this rest myself, I am still so angry that peaceful protesters can be treated like this.  I have been one myself on several occasions and still find it difficult to believe how the peaceful protesters were treated in St Paul.  This treatment will not stand.  </p>
<p>The police in St Paul had a 50 million grant from Homeland Security, because evidently the American people are the enemy now, so each arrest cost this country approximately $60K.  </p>
<p>I read this from an anonymous source, and if I didn&#39;t think it credible I would not post it here.<br />quote: Aug 24 2008 2:17 PM </p>
<p>i talked to some Anonymous man in the military working at the rnc and he said if the protesters dont start a riot the military is ordered to start one for republican sympathy and so the can use those millions of dollars of &#8220;non-lethal&#8221; weapons they bought. such as rubber bullets, tasers, taser riot shields,and rubber ball grenades.</p>
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