Minnesota pastors plan to endorse candidates from pulpit

A “MICE MIND” minister talking about emotions,thats all the “TEA PARTY” is,they run from the press,facts scare the hell out of them and this so-called minister calls liberals emotional.Good to see he is inviting the IRS to come see him.all the praying in the world isn’t going to save this little congregation in fact it looks like this clown is jealous of the other clown in Florida who was going to burn the Koran,10 minuites of fame for the So-Called preacher and loss of tax-exemption for his little church.Go for it preach maybe your GIANT EGO will be squashed by the IRS

Jesus’ disciples would never use phrases such as: “Little immature human beings that are so wrapped up in your emotions that you couldn’t make a rational decision if it killed you,” and they would not taunt and provoke people This man clearly is not a follower of Jesus, but rather acting on account of the devil.

“I am encouraging all of the liberals listening because — oh, I know you are listening, those in the liberal press, those in the liberal media, just waiting, hanging on my every word. I know because I read the websites.”

OK, readers who are familiar with various mental conditions, is this:

Paranoia?
Narcissism?
Martyr complex?
Egomania?

It seems a strange mix of narcissism, “hanging on my every word”? Maybe it is the manic side of bipolar? He seems to think that “liberals” are constantly watching him, making me think of paranoia (they’re out to get me, you know, THEM).

Those of you with training in psychology can offer some insight.

“He continued, “Little immature human beings that are so wrapped up in your emotions that you couldn’t make a rational decision if it killed you, so please make this one decision for me do it based on emotion. Do it out of hatred for me. File a complaint against mean old Pastor Brandon who is going to come out and endorse candidates.”

Now even without any training in psychology, that looks to me like 100% pure projection.

Any other insights, readers?

Tax these moronic asses like the corporations they are.

“There are churches in Canada that are losing their tax-exempt status because they are coming out and preaching against homosexuality.” As they should, for discriminating against a segment of the population and denying citizens constitutional rights of freedom.

What Krystal said. I’ve known a lot of clergy, youth pastors, etc. over the years. Many of them are quite conservative. But I’ve never heard anything like this guy’s comments from any of them, even in private. Amazing. I hope he spends more time reading his bible and/or with a shrink to try to get a grip.

They can say anything they want, if they PAY TAXES! Follow the rules, it ends up being about money, not ‘righteous like a lion.’ PAY YOUR FAIR CORPORATE TAXES.

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Bandon is quite the homophobe, he has links on is site to Paul Cameron’s site. Paul Cameron is the fraud gay researcher kicked out of 3 professional associations for unethical research. Brandon apparently has a gay brother who has not been cured of “teh gay”, even with Brandon’s deep religious convictions.

Brandon also uses discredited and wrong information about gays in daily programs and you can find some in his archieves from his old Saturday program that are total homophobic rants.

I tried to get Brandon to remove the Cameron info but he said this about the information I sited: “I do not give credence to any psychological or Sociological organizations. They are anti-God and are completely over run with humanism.”

Brandon is not a member of the fact based universe but lives somewhere in the “faith based universe unencumbered by facts and science”.

So hopefully the IRS will spank him seriously. He’s either welcome to his “free speech” or his tax break but not both.

SMILE,

WE PAY TAXES.

BECAUSE WE GIVE UNTO CAESAR, AND WE GIVE UNTO THE LORD.

PLEASE KEEP, “DONT ASK DONT TELL”

“IT IS A SHIELD FROM HELL FIRE”.

HTTP://WWW.UNITEDSTATESCHURCH.ORG

Never ceases to amaze me that the right preaches against government yet has no problem accepting government “handouts”.

I am the president of a 501(c)3 nonprofit group whose volunteers place water on the migrant trails along the US-Mexico border in California.

As a nonprofit, we have the same restrictions that churches have. We cannot endorse candidates, even if they publicly and loudly support our work; we cannot oppose candidates, even those who scream that we should be arrested or our stations vandalized.

If it becomes important to our mission that we endorse or oppose candidates, we will first surrender our nonprofit status. Rev. Brandon should make up his mind whether he really wants to follow the admonistion to “render unto Caesar.”

It is always a small minority “loudmouth” that ruins things for everyone else. These pastors should spend more time ministering to their congregants and less on politics. I am a christian and support tax free status for all legitimate churches. I also abhor political commenting from the pulpit in any form. Political views vary widely among Christians and they are very personal, no one should be made to feel “other” because they are aligned with a particular political leaning. These are such volatile times and people lose their perspective too easily. I pray for peace, nationally, spiritually, and for the end to so much suffering around the globe. Lets concentrate on the important things in life, not rabid polarization. When Jesus was on the earth the only scolding He did was to rebuke the religious hypocrites, not the followers of Christ.

Smile,

If your politics are seperate from your faith, Then what regulates your interation with other people? Can you be REAL?

Rufus

Pastor@unitedstateschurch.org

HTTP://WWW.UNITEDSTATESCHURCH.ORG

Rufus,
Please rephrase your questions, as an ignorant secularist, I’m not sure what you’re asking.

Brandon is the pastor of a church that gets tax exempt status. Now, he is welcome as a private citizen he to endorse anyone he wants for political office. However as the public face of an organization that doesn’t pay taxes on a variety of things to allow them to provide some public charity services he cannot endorse or the organization endorse political candidates. That’s the issue here, he wants to endorse from his pulpit.

Political donations are not tax deductible for ordinary citizens. So again Brandon can either dump his churches tax exempt status and be politcal or not endorse and keep it.

[...] Insight into the company NOM keeps. From Andy Birkey at Minnesota Independent: [...]

Smile,

If your politics are seperate from your faith, Then what regulates your interation with other people? Can you be REAL?

Scott: Try This, “what Governs your civil limites when no one is looking?

Pastor@unitedstateschurch.org

HTTP://WWW.UNITEDSTATESCHURCH.ORG

What a bitter, obsessed man this pastor is. I can’t imagine going to a church in which someone like this froths at the mouth every week. In any case, maybe taxes from churches like this can help with the budget deficit.

At what point should we become worried? What I mean is, if two small churches flount tax laws and dare the TaxMan come and get them, and it remains just those two churches, should we elevate them to the level of that asshole in Florida? I don’t know.

But when it comes to that filthy child predator, make-believe rock preacher, Bradlee Dean, I say to the IRS: go get them. They are not a ministry. They are a hate group. I would start there. And reveal Michele Bachmann and Tom Emmer as his most ardent political supporters.

And when people realize that the Pandora’s Box these “ministers” are opening could ultimately affect their own more mainstream churches and their ability to deduct their donations on their personal income tax, I think you will find people standing up to these fringe elements.

“At what point does our responsibility to God trump our responsibility to the government? That’s my question. At what point does that take place? And I have decided that the point is now,” said Brandon. “Because we have hate crimes out there involving speaking out against homosexuality.”

Well, then render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, jerkwad! Quit pretending to be a non-profit religious organization, tell the truth that you are really a political organization, and then pay your damn taxes like the rest of us…

[...] the complaints will be filed first thing Monday [...]

Rufus,
TROLL!

The proper thing is to answer the question. The article is about a pastor who wants to have a tax exempt status and be involved deeply in the political process. I’m with the IRS on saying that he doesn’t get to do that as a lead in a tax exempt organization. If he wants to play in politics then he gets to pay taxes the same way the rest of us do. Being a pastor is just but a title, he has no more wisdom on the subject that other human beings.

I looked at you website and it seems to be to the usual conservative Christian gibberish, so that was no help in trying to understand your post.

So engage in dialogue, answer questions that are asked, ask for clarification on points and cease wih the trollish gibberish and smart ass answers.

Rufus, per our comment policy, only one username per commenter. Comment deleted.

Smile:

Mr. Scott,
I think that you are refering to this question. (Then what regulates your interation with other people?)
Our attemp to rephase:(Try This, “what Governs your civil limites when no one is looking?)
I would like to think that you can understand my words.
However if you are like the Republicains, You will not tell the Truth up Frunt. Such as, why the Present Present is Rated Low In The Poles,

Let me tell you Mr Scott the Truth , ” GAY RIGHTS AND GROUND 0 (ZERRO) ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM OF THE PRESENT PRESIDENT.

So let me SOLVE the Problem for You.
1. LET THE CHURCH PAY TAXES IF THEY WANT TO.ACCORDINT TO THE LAW.
2. LET THE CHURCH TAKE ALL THE TAX BREAKS THAT ARE ACCORDING TO
THE LAW.
3. YOU MR IRS WILL NOT MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU WOULD LIKE. BECAUSE OF TAX LOOPHOLES. (you should fix. but you can not because of the big boys.)
4. YOU MR IRS CAN THROUGH THE BOOK AT ME, US, OR ANY OTHER (little boy) CHURCH AND CAUSE THEM UNDUE TROUBLE. BUT WHAT IS TROUBLE TO THE UNITED STATES CHURCH. THIS IS NOT MY DOINGS, BUT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST’S.

SO BRING IT.

Rufus

pastor@unitedstateschurch.org

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Rufus: The email address you give above says you’re the pastor of United States Church, which you list on your site as “not for profit,” so it sounds like you’re not paying taxes. Do you have public services on Sundays, and will you be endorsing candidates from the pulpit?

‘Tis a good time to bring back the Old Swedes in my small childhood Lutheran church (now affiliated with ELCA) who sang beloved hymns with such gusto and from the heart even as the organist did her darndest best to out-blare the voices behind her!

I know both would work together to drown out the hate and bullshit coming from the pulpit and church offices everywhere!

Smile:

THE UNITED STATES CHURCH

ABOUT US

GIVEN TO US TO ESTABLISH: FEBRUARY 14, 1992
THE UNITED STATES CHURCH INC.
FILED FEBRUARY 23,2007 NOT FOR PROFIT
NO7000001932 IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
EIN = 300477654
AUTOMATIC (501c)

“THE UNITED STATES CHURCH INC.” .

STOP THE PASTOR OF THE UNITED STATES CHURCH OR STOP THE DISTRUCTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DUE TO GAY RIGHTS.?

We pay taxes.
“PLEASE KEEP DONT ASK–DONT TILL! “IT IS A SHIELD FROM HELL FIRE.”

IF A PASTOR SPEAKES ON POLITICAL SUBJECTS (BY YOUR DEFINITION OF POLITICS) AND AT THE APROVAL OF THE CHURCH, THEN LET THE CHURCH PA TAXES. NO OTHER STRINGS ATTACHED. and enough said. BUT

“PLEASE KEEP DONT ASK–DONT TILL! “IT IS A SHIELD FROM HELL FIRE.”

Rufus
Pastor@unitedstateschurch.org

If your politics are seperate [sic] from your faith, Then what regulates your interation [sic] with other people? Can you be REAL?

Try This, “what Governs your civil limites [sic] when no one is looking?

What regulates most people’s interaction with other people is morality. Morality can exist as a result of teaching from a religious sect or from one’s own involvement in humanity. The straw man fallacy classifies as “Relativism” anything that does not fit into a particular extremist view of Christianity.

This is a method of avoiding a simple truth : No faith or philosophy (or lack of same) has a monopoly on goodness or vileness.

“For the Bible tells me so” worked just fine in elementary Sunday School, but it is a really bad basis for legislation in a pluralistic society. There is no reason for legislating the inequality of sexual minorities except outdated codes and the government has no compelling reason to do so.

It is the height of arrogance and vanity to assume that morality does not exist outside one’s own small sphere of understanding.

I hope the members of these churches realize that all of their tithings will be going to lawyers rather than helping those in need. I’d give my money to a food bank instead and drop a ‘Get Out Of Jail Free’ card in the basket when it’s passed this Sunday. I hope these ‘men of god’ are consumed in the fire of their own hatred.

Rufus,
1. Use your spellcheck.
2. Take the caps lock off and quit shouting. You’re really getting on my last nerve.
3. Get off your judgmental throne and spend some time serving people who really need help. Walk a mile in their shoes. Have a little humility instead of thinking that you have all the answers.
Oh man, what is good: and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Actually, Pastor Brad made the announcement that he was going to try to trigger an IRS complaint earlier in October.

I heard him because I blog about Michele Bachmann and her involvement in the evangelical conservative right. To know what’s going on in that movement in Minnesota, you gotta to listen to KKMS and its “public affairs” broadcasting (which is essentially conservative talk radio masked under the name of Jesus Christ.

He’s been trying to ramp up publicity for this stunt for some time. I chose not to mention it on the blogs I write for because I didn’t want to help him or attract an audience. The tone of Brandon’s afternoon radio show is more like an “angry conservative morning zoo radio program” (complete with wacky sound effects and barking “liberal attack dogs”) than witnessing for Jesus Christ.

And of course, heaps of commercial advertising and radio voiceovers for various products he’s selling, interspersed between the bouts of anger and smears and panic he presents as “Christianity.” He sounds more like Rush Limbaugh that Billy Graham.

This is actually pretty much par for the course in evangelical political broadcasting; this branding of liberals as a threat to American and the identification of “true” Christianity with conservative worldviews. Brandon is just the latest incarnation of this on KKMS and other evangelical radio stations–it’s been going on for at least the eleven years I’ve lived in Minnesota, probably much longer.

These guys are used to using the pulpit as a platform to conflate political conservatism with Christianity; they are used to using Christ’s name to promote particular candidates and a conservative political agenda. They are not worried about loss of the “Christian” radio chain’s tax exempt status for doing so. As Birkey points out, there doesn’t seem to be any enforcement of the applicable laws.

Bill,
The enforcement of the law in that area has been slack for a long time. It’s too bad that the right wing intimidated the various administrations into not doing what they should. Americans United does a lot, they have their limitations. I wasn’t aware that Salem was considered tax exempt.

I’m glad to hear that someone else “tortures” themselves with KKMS. The Saturday am programming is my favorite time. Especially the “Sons of Liberty”,even though they are now on the “Fascist” oops, “Patriot” WWTC.

And the country is so in a tizzy about Muslims and extremists and Muslim extremists. Take a look around you folks, we have just been introduced to the American Taliban. These Bible thumping (what do you call them? I’m tired of the word ‘nut-jobs’) scare the crap out of me. Elect Emmer and Meeks and you get only a slightly toned down version of the same.

Scott–

I am also glad to find someone who reads progressive blogs but listens to KKMS regularly. I can’t convince anyone else to do that. Least of all journalists (who could often spot trends and rhetoric in US politics a month or so in advance, if only they’d listen to what these evangelical radio stations are telling their audiences today.)

Kevin–

What do you call them, you ask. That is actually a key question. I call the audience “conservative evangelicals” and I call Brandon and spokesmen members of the “conservative evangelical political movement.”

The professional media (until very recently) has complied with their wishes and called them “social conservatives.” (They like that because that label doesn’t tip voters off to their introduction of sectarian religion into American elections.) It’s only recently that professional media have started to identify members of evangelical conservative political movement as “evangelicals”–and some news outlets still cling to the “social conservative” euphemism.

Leaders of the movement and its adherents have their own preferred term: “Christians.” They claim that they are “the” Christians, and that self-styled Christians who don’t hold their beliefs about politics have got the requirements of Chrisitanity wrong.

The evangelical conservatives are free to claim this since their version of Christianity has always emphasized “proper belief” over “what a Christian does/how a Christian behaves.” (Hence Brandon’s daily behavior on the radio.) “Stamping out ‘erroneous’ belief” (belief that does not conform with the interpretation of the Bible they are teaching) is a core part of their self-appointed mission; and over the past thirty or more years they have introduced that mission into American politics (hence the talk radio conservatism on evangelical radio stations in hundreds of markets.)

[...] Two Pastors in Minnesota said, in defiance of law, that they will use their churches to preach for political candidates. [...]

SMILE:

daisy
Thanks! i can not spell, But if you understand, then that is enough. We are only trying to WORN ALL.

Do you want your Judgment Now while you have time to Repent or on the Day of Sentance. (JUDGMENT DAY) believe it or not, its your call.

————-Please Keep “dont ask–dont tell” it is their cover from Hell Fire. (how is that for humility ) Please see True Grit)

As pastor for the United States Church, we watch for things which will hurt our Great Nation first, then we pray for things which will Help (us), and that is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

understand GAY is the ultimate error. WHEN YOU WANT TO REPENT CALL US.

rufus
pastor@unitedstateschurch.org
http://www.uschurch.us/

Attention IRS:

I pay taxes in part so that you will do your job and enforce the law, applying it fairly and equally to everyone. When you are allegedly incapable of carrying out actions against pastors who violate the law by endorsing political candidates from the pulpit, you’re sending the message that it somewhat ok to break the law in some cases, and not in others. It gives the appearance of showing unconstitutional religious favoritism.

Whatever you need to do to close your capabilities gap, do it. Pastor Brandon is announcing PUBLICLY that he intends on breaking the law.

What are you going to do about it?

SMILE;

We The people had to brake the law to FORM A MORE PERFIT NATION.

had we failed, the founding FATHERS WORLD HAVE HANGED.!

rufus

pastor@unitedstateschurch.org

So, do we assume the IRS knows about this and is looking into this or who do we notify?

Kevin, the seventh paragraph mentions the Americans United for Separation of Church and State. It wouldn’t hurt to contact the people there on the chance they aren’t aware of these developments.

Bill, I appreciate your comments. Being Deaf, I am totally clueless as to radio programming; this I am thankful for, but on the other hand, what I don’t know can affect me – hence my appreciation for your information. Please do pop in here now and then.

Kevin: These pastors haven’t done anything illegal for the IRS to look into. But if they go through with their plans on Sunday, then it’s a different story.

Lane: Americans United blogged about this Friday, so they know about it.

Yes Paul I’m aware they haven’t done anything wrong yet and I probably didn’t phrase my question properly. So I guess the best way to bring this to the attention of the IRS would be to contact the Americans United for Separation of Church and State folk as Lane suggested if in fact they do go through with their plans? I was just wondering how the whole IRS system works in situations like this.

NO where in U.S. Constitution does it provide for a “wall of separation” between church and state. Rather it specifically prohibits state control of religion… which is already manifest. Good for the preacher. Too bad for small minds attacking with superiority complexes and venom.

Politics separate from faith? Not in Islam. If you think otherwise you are dangerously deluded… or worse.

“Elections have consequences.” Desires and perceptions don’t always equal reality. Case in point lives in White House.

[...] Miscreants: Pompous Preachers Say They Will Violate Federal Law Against Church Electioneering According to the Minnesota Independent, two of the state’s pastors say they will endorse political candidates from the pulpit this [...]

Peacenic,

So which version of Christianity shall we make the “national religion”? Catholic, Baptist, Amish, Methodist, Mormon, Pentecostal? I can keep going. The problem is that there is no one version that everyone can agree on.

Sorry, the first amendment does allow for separation of state and church, it’s what has kept religion in this country from dying off the way it did in Europe.

[...] In case you haven’t seen the early work on this story, The Minnesota Independent has been doing some fine reporting on the pre-election antics of Pastor Brad Brandon of Hastings, MN, who this past Sunday made good on his promise to endorse conservative candidates from his pulpit. [...]

How can politicians claiming to be Pro Life have failed to author a bill protecting fetuses of any age, even when conservatives controlled the House and Senate during the Bush Adm? Instead they lie saying just vote Republican and the Supreme Court will change the Law when in fact it’s the legislators, not the Courts that make Law. Go to the Library Of Congress and read it for yourself if you don’t believe this. Look up “How Laws Are Made In America”. The Republican Party is a secular organization, not Christian. Don’t be fooled. This Pastor and others who preach political/religious cultism must repent and ask for forgiveness.

[...] plan for Minnesota pastors to endorse candidates from the pulpit is here. One of them taunted the “liberal media” to file an IRS complaint against the church. [...]