Minnesota Family Council pushes back in Anoka-Hennepin anti-gay bullying controversy

Tom Prichard – Liar.

No, I’m not going to (start to) accuse Tom Prichard of being “unloving, hateful, etc”, I’m going to accuse him of being a liar. First, homosexuality IS indeed part of the human condition. History and biology show it, in other animals than humans as well. Second, “lifelong expression between man and a woman”? I guess that’s why Newt Gingrich is on wife #3. And third, yes, you’re being a narrow minded, hateful bigot. OK, I guess you were right, I am going to accuse you of that.

[...] Enter the Minnesota Family Council. In celebration of October as anti-bullying month, they’ve come out and blamed the dead victims of bullying for their deaths, saying that the children are dead because they adopted an “unhealthy lifestyle.” The Council takes issue with efforts to educate students via anti-bullying curriculum, accusing the district of “homosexual indoctrination.” Students and families in the Anoka-Hennepin School District are mourning the loss of four LBGT students in the last year to suicide. Read more… [...]

Check out Dan Savage’s angry and unapologetic response to a Christian woman at http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/10/01/sl-letter-of-the-day-sorry-nothing-fun. He hit the nail right on the head.

[...] Enter the Minnesota Family Council. In celebration of October as anti-bullying month, they’ve come out and blamed the dead victims of bullying for their deaths, saying that the children are dead because they adopted an “unhealthy lifestyle.” The Council takes issue with efforts to educate students via anti-bullying curriculum, accusing the district of “homosexual indoctrination.” Students and families in the Anoka-Hennepin School District are mourning the loss of four LBGT students in the last year to suicide. Read more… [...]

The Minnesota Family Counsel is completely correct and every parent should help defend them against the radical homosexual lobby that is abusing the deaths of these teens for political gains.

No parents want their kids indoctrinated in homosexuality. The lifestyle is very dangerous. It is less dangerous to smoke meth to dabble in sexual deviancy.

Something like 500 teens commit suicide each month and every one of these lives are important. Yet, the radical homosexual lobby is trying to get media attention for the few suicides that may have been part of the homosexual lifestyle in order to gain public support for their radical agenda to transform the public schools and infiltrate them with indoctrination of teaching homosexuality.

The radical homosexual agenda is very dangerous to our schools and should be banned from the students. Involvement in homosexuality is very depressing and increases the chance of teen suicide. Instead of anti-bullying laws, we need anti-homosexual laws to protect students from the recruitment efforts of the radical homosexual activists.

Gee, if no one else wants to do it, I WILL! Tom Prichard is a dangerous man who needs to be locked up. The commenter Tim is just another oddball troll. Prichard, for some reason, has influence on public policy and needs to be stopped.

If nothing is changed in the anti-bullying law and another child commits suicide can we convict these people of murder, please, or at least assisted suicide. People like the ones in this story and some fellow commentators are the reason they commit suicide because of their complete evilness and non-Christian lifestyle.

@Brix Smith – Locking up those that disagree with you is what communist nations do to people.

This is a clear example of the danger that the homosexual activists pose to our state and nation. They want to create a theocracy like Iran and lock up everyone that does not agree with their ideas. Unless we legally and politically defend the nation against these internal attacked, the nation and our freedoms will be destroyed.

The public needs to wake up to the dangerous Marx’s ideas of the homosexual activists that are clearly being discussed on this blog. Many even in the homosexual community don’t even realize that the enemy is within their own camp. I don’t even think the writers of this blog realize what they are supporting.

Tim:

That’s pure projection.

As a “homosexual activist” who figured out I was gay when I was in the 8th grade, all I wanted was to be left alone. Not be harassed, told I was evil or out to destroy the nation, or anything else. Just allowed to live my life, find a job, buy a home, find a partner and have a life without discrimination or harassment, just like heterosexuals.

And I should add that it was heterosexuals who executed gays for centuries because they believed the Bible said so, and then put us in psychiatric hospitals, castrated us, shot us up with drugs, locked us up in jail and fired us from work and kicked us out of our homes for not agreeing with them and their ideas.

Greetings,

With all due respect, Tim, I disagree with your perception/interpretation of this issue.

“Instead of anti-bullying laws, we need anti-homosexual laws to protect students from the recruitment efforts of the radical homosexual activists.”

This is not a Christian attitude or solution: you are saying that those who are homosexual are to be criminalized – this would allow/encourage people to discriminate against and bully those who either are, or simply are believed to be, homosexual/have homosexual tendencies.

It would result in assaults on perceived homosexuals – perhaps leading to murders – and more suicides.

Government policies which institutionalize evil are themselves evil.

“They want to create a theocracy like Iran and lock up everyone that does not agree with their ideas.”

This is a right-wing idea: the religious right want to create a theocracy in America – not those on the left.

And as for linking homosexuality with Marxism – that is completely false.

Look at how many Republicans, who’ve been anti-homosexual in their politics, turn around, and either are exposed and/or admit that they’re homosexual themselves.

There are many reasons for people being homosexual – there is no single explanation – and certainly not the alleged “lifestyle-choice”, which is touted as the sole reason for those who are homosexual.

As nihilix pointed out above, homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom – which is evidence against it being a “lifestyle choice”. This is not just a human condition.

There are both genetic and environmental – a combination of nature AND nurture – reasons for homosexuality.

To portray it as just a “lifestyle choice” is simplistic and is, therefore, unjust.

Kindest regards,

James

Tom Prichard is evil incarnate. How dare he blame the victims of bullies. I would say, “He should be ashamed”, but I don’t believe Tom Prichard is capable of feeling shame, remorse, humility or any other actual emotion other than hating those damn queers.

@Tim:

You are criticizing OTHERS for advocating “Locking up those that disagree with you????”!!!!!

You are a damnable hypocrite. You’re the hateful one who wrote, “we need anti-homosexual laws.” Wouldn’t violation of such laws involve locking people up?

[...] MFC is saying that the children who are driven to suicide are to blame for being bullied to death. The Minnesota Independent reports, The Minnesota Family Council (MFC) is pushing back against efforts to improve the climate for LGBT [...]

Besides being a hate-filled thug, Tom Prichard is a money-grubbing parasite, who has been using gay people as his meal ticket for decades. All he does is stir up hate and fear and watch the checks from the religiously terrified and angry roll into his organization. He probably gets a kickback from the Republican party (his former employer) as well. His gig is a hell of a lot easier than working for a living. I think locking him up would be too good for him, but we could start there. A simple audit of the finances of his organization would probably put him on the road to incarceration.

P.S. Tim – Could you tell me where I can sign up to join the radical homosexual lobby? It sounds like fun, but it doesn’t seem to have a mailing address or web site. Tom Prichard’s organization, however, does.

Tom Prichard is the one guilty of manipulating the suicides of those gay teens. To use their suicides as evidence of an unhealthy lifestyle is about as much bullshit as I can take.

The Minnesota Family Council is no better than the Westboro Baptist Church in my book.

@dan – If any of that was true and homosexuals were being persecuted, then they wouldn’t be part of the riches group in America.

I agree that homosexuals should be left alone and many of them have already discovered there are wolfs among the radical homosexual activists, they want nothing less than to turn the nation into pure communism.

Peaceful homosexuals are not attacking the nation like the radical homosexual lobby is. There are very dangerous groups hiding within your camp that you seem to be willing to ignore because you think they share your cause, but they are not really on your side. Once communism laws are created, everyone will be persecuted and hunted down. In the long run, homosexual will be much better off defending our nations freedoms then tearing them down.

Tim, communism and dictatorship are anti-thetical to each other. Stop acting like they aren’t.

[...] NOTHING to do with creating the climate that leads gay kids to commit suicide. For example, the Minnesota Family Council: The Minnesota Family Council (MFC) is pushing back against efforts to improve the climate for LGBT [...]

Tim – so now there are good homosexuals and bad homosexuals?

You are such a dick.

@Thomas Butler

Not only that but the “good gays” live lives of closeted celibacy so that the minority of heterosexuals who are uptight, small-minded homophobes don’t have to confront the fact that gay people exist.

Greetings,

Again, Tim, your posts indicate a considerable amount of confusion.

“If any of that was true and homosexuals were being persecuted, then they wouldn’t be part of the riches group in America.”

This is a strange way to dismiss discrimination and persecution.

“I agree that homosexuals should be left alone and many of them have already discovered there are wolfs among the radical homosexual activists, they want nothing less than to turn the nation into pure communism.”

This (and the start of the next paragraph) sounds as if you believe there are three types of homosexuals: (“peaceful”) homosexuals, radical homosexual activists and wolves. You’re continuing comments linking communism with homosexuality shows that you have a confused understanding of both.

“Peaceful homosexuals are not attacking the nation like the radical homosexual lobby is. There are very dangerous groups hiding within your camp that you seem to be willing to ignore because you think they share your cause, but they are not really on your side. Once communism laws are created, everyone will be persecuted and hunted down. In the long run, homosexual will be much better off defending our nations freedoms then tearing them down.”

This last paragraph is symptomatic of your confusion.

To repeat your comment back to you:

There are very dangerous groups (white supremacists/neo-Nazis, anarchists, etc) hiding within your camp (Christian right-wing/Republicans) that you seem to be willing to ignore because you think they share your cause, but they are not really on your side.

How can homosexuals be better off “defending our nations [sic] freedoms then [sic] tearing them down”, when those same “freedoms” oppose homosexuals because of their “lifestyle choice”?

Kindest regards,

James

Greetings,

May I also point out that it was the former president and his Neo-Conservative administration (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al) who promoted and passed the so-called Patriot Act?

An act which was straight out of a right-wing, “police state”?

How often has this Act been used to wire-tap and “profile” law-abiding American citizens?

Are you aware that Kristol, the “godfather” of the Neo-Conservative Movement” was in favour of “Big Government”? And even pointed out that that was the Neo-Conservative position?

It is the right wing who’ve been passing laws so that “everyone will be persecuted and hunted down”.

Kindest regards,

James

“Whatever the exact reason for Justin’s suicide it’s an enormous tragedy that shouldn’t be manipulated for ideological purposes which is what’s being done now,”

Hey Prichard, if you think it is wrong, then STOP DOING IT!

“But is the loving thing to encourage and promote unhealthy and harmful behaviors and practices?”

No! That is why we are opposed to gay-bashing and the preaching of intolerance.

Teaching tolerance is not indoctrination, it is working toward domestic tranquility. The real issue is religious persecution, and it’s harmful effects on society. From their statements it is clear that their worldview is based on their interpretation of a book, and not on the real world.

What is the “radical homosexual agenda” in the schools? Better food in the cafeteria? More stylish dress codes? Staging “Rent” as the class play?

Tom Pritchard is a tool of the devil himself and doesn’t know it. Lets all join the Minnesota Family Council site on Face book and give them hell.

Oh, how well fondly I think of my days back in homosexual indoctrination classes when I was kid. Next week we’re having a homosexual indoctrination class reunion. Our favorite game is seeing who can recite from memory our homosexual indoctrination catechism.

To the conservatives, to whom I fear this is not apparent: I’m making this up. There’s a reason no one remembers going through homosexual indoctrination, and that reason isn’t amnesia.

Anti-gay bullying … suicides amoung gay teens … same-sex marriage … don’t ask don’t tell … These and other GLBT issues that have been “debated” in the public arena all have the same underlying assumption. Proponents believe either (1) homosexuality is a deviant, unhealthy, sinful state chosen by some people, or (2) homosexuality is a neutral orientation that some people happen to find themselves with. If we only knew which was true, we as a society could do what’s right. But how to tell? You can’t necessarily use your own feelings (as in “I think it’d be gross to kiss another dude, therefore guys that kiss guys must be sick”). Not everyone feels the same as you. You can’t rely on religious beliefs, since we live in a country that values religious freedom. Everyone has their own religious beliefs, none of which are really proveable (as in “My God says gays are sick,” “Well, my God says you’re wrong,” etc., etc., etc.). You can’t rely on the media, since the media’s main goal is to make money and not necessarily portray the truth (as in “The gay guys on Will & Grace could never maintain long-term relationships, therefore gays must be unhealthy”). The only way we as citizens can get at the truth about homosexuality is for each of us to get to know the GLBT folks in our communities. You can then use your God-given head to form an opinion. And here’s the kicker … Poll and poll shows that those who know GLBT people tend to be in favor of same-sex marriage, letting gays serve openly in the military, and enforcing laws to discourage harrasssment based on orientation. Those who hate gays or think they are sick often report that don’t know any openly gay people. They JUDGE gays BEFORE knowing — hmmm, that’s where we get the term PREJUDICE. I’d like to believe that if those who think like Tom Prichard would bother to get to know the GLBT people in their communities, they would realize that gays and lesbians are no threat to marriage, to children, or to society. In the ways that are important, gays are like straights — just like African-Americans are like Caucasians, Jews are like Catholics, people with disabilities are like those without, left-handers are like right-handers, … Thanks for listening.

First of all, how is it that these (supposedly) straight ultra-conservative religious people seem to know everything there is to know about being gay? As a white man, I don’t know the first thing about what it’s like to be African-American, and I wouldn’t presume to speak for them. Yet that is exactly what Mr. Pritchard is doing in regards to painting all gay people with the same broad (homophobic) brushstroke. Making a living demonizing people is the antithesis of what he is supposedly preaching.– Since I am currently in a monogamous 15-year same-gender relationship, and have been legally married for 2 years… I hardly think my so-called “lifestyle choice” has been harmful or dangerous. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Promoting monogamous lifelong relationships (regardless of orientation) is good for society.

Secondly, using the term “sexual identity and lifestyle” already destroys any credibility this person is claiming to have. For the past 30 years we’ve known that homosexuality is simply another sexual orientation, like heterosexuality (and bisexuality). Most people are born straight, and some are born gay. To claim otherwise is pure ignorance.

[...] “I’ll of course be accused of being unloving, hateful, etc. But is the loving thing to encourage and promote unhealthy and harmful behaviors and practices?” Prichard said, according to the Minnesota Independent. [...]

@James – Why would you think homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom has anything to do with human sexual behavior?

Animals can be turned on by anything from a light pole to the chair or another animal of any type. That does not explain homosexuality in humans who have the ability to think before they act and have a conscious with a built in understanding of right and wrong, good and evil. Animals also eat their young, dogs eat their vomit. Humans are much more than animals. The comparison only downgrades the value of humanity, and adds more proof that homosexual behavior is purely a lifestyle choice.

@James – Yes, thank you for finishing my thought.

There are three types of homosexuals

1) (“peaceful”) homosexuals,
2) Radical homosexual activists
3) and wolves among them.

The peaceful homosexuals are some of my friends who just want to be left alone like everyone else.

The radical homosexual activists are filled with rage and will stop at nothing until every last person on face of the earth believes that homosexuality is not evil. Driven by the passion of their cause, they are willing to partner with anyone (wolves) and compromise anything (our nation’s freedoms) to push their agenda.

Wolfs are the many other dangerous groups including members of the communist party, pedophiles and others which I have seen at rallies hand-in-hand with radical homosexual activists and commenting on this blog.

“Animals can be turned on by anything from a light pole to the chair or another animal of any type”. Really, Tim, you are now an expert in animal behavior and biology? Tell us, which animals can be “turned on” by a light pole? Give us several examples, Dr. Biology. Which animals can be “turned on” by a chair, Tim? Give me three examples of documented cases of animals being turned on by a chair. And finally, Dr. Science, give us three or four examples of animals that are “turned on” by animals of “any type”. Because where I live, I don’t ever see Holsteins humping horse, nor do I ever see goats mounting ducks. So just give us a few examples, would you, Professor?

Or maybe you are making up bullshit stuff again. God doesn’t like liars and bullshit artists, Tim. He really doesn’t. Ask Him. Or, if you aren’t a liar, post the documentation supporting your statements.

Mr Pric-hard has blood on his hands. He is one of those people who make me wish there was a god, and that she really kept a private BDSM dungeon. I would pay good money to see Mr. Pric-hard and some of his closest friends enjoing the facilities.

It’s monsters like the people of the Minnesota Family Council who are pushing these children to commit suicide in the first place. Somebody should tell them that hate and ignorance are not family values.

@Tim

I don’t know where you live, but it certainly isn’t in reality. More like “insane conspiracy theories that are completely false” -land. Seriously, you need to go see a shrink. There is zero proof to support anything you have said. Infact there are mountains of evidence that falsify every single point you have made.

Greetings,

“@James – Why would you think homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom has anything to do with human sexual behavior?

Animals can be turned on by anything from a light pole to the chair or another animal of any type.”

Tim, of course it has everything to do with human sexual behaviour.

People can be turned on by anything as well – that’s what’s referred to as “fetishes”. Sexual feelings are the result of biochemistry (hormones) – it doesn’t matter whether it’s “animals” or “humans”; humans are animals, physically, just like any other.

Dogs can eat their vomit because they – along with many other creatures – bring food back to their young and regurgitate it (semi-digested) for the young to eat. The young find it easier to handle semi-digested food. In human cultures, one of the ways for their fellow humans to care for a sick person is to chew some food before feeding it to the invalid, who may be too weak to chew it themselves.

You might say that our morality is governed by our conscience – but that’s because our conscience is the result of the morality of the culture in which we live. “Head hunters” eat other people – because that’s what they’ve been brought up to accept as “normal”. If you’d been brought up in such a culture, you would do the same – so would I, if it were me.

Homosexuality is no more a “lifestyle choice” than is heterosexuality – the only “choice” you make is to whether you have a relationship or not. Regardless, your sexual feelings – whatever form they take – will exist.

You speak of having homosexuals as friends – yet, you are also denigrating homosexuals for their “lifestyle”: this is contradictory. How can you have such friends if they are aware of your attitude to them? If they were – are – aware of your feelings, they would surely feel just as aggrieved at your attitude as those whom you call “radical homosexual activists”, who – according to you – “are filled with rage and will stop at nothing until every last person on face of the earth believes that homosexuality is not evil”.

With all due respect Tim, given that, I must say I doubt that you do have homosexual friends – acquaintances, perhaps, but not friends.

The wolves, some of whom you mention, are all those with extreme views – whether they are on the right (white supremacists/Neo-Nazis, anarchists, etc) or the left. This also includes religious extremists – including fanatical right-wing Christians (which are just as bad as fanatical Islamic extremists). And I say that as someone who is Christian (Roman Catholic).

I note that you, again, equate what you perceive as sexual deviants (homosexuals – and paedophiles) with communists and a left-wing conspiracy.

Kindest regards,

James

Funny that Tom Prichard says, “The real issue is homosexual indoctrination, not anti-gay bullying.” Mr. Prichard chooses words like homosexual indoctrination, which are designed to scare people. He adds nothing to the discussion other than to confirm his idiocy.

This whole matter is about anti-gay bullying and Mr. Prichard should be ashamed of himself for manipulating facts in an effort to support his twisted objective.

You can be sure Puppetmaster Prichard will be pulling Tom Emmer’s strings if he is elected.

How can anyone be against Bullying….oh I forgot…..they are Christians….or at least profess to be Christians.

@ Tim: This whole “3 kinds of homosexuals” thing is inane. The people that are actually making the effort to fight for their Constitutionally-guaranteed civil rights are not militant activists. They’re heroes. — Exactly how many kinds of heterosexuals are there, Tim? Only two? …the God-loving Christians, and the demonic heathens that represent everyone else? Sure makes judging people a lot simpler doesn’t it?

Proof that being gay (homosexuality) is not a “lifestyle choice”:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/06/23/GR2008062300060.html

Obviously, gay people do not CHOOSE to alter their brain chemistry. This one study proves that a person’s sexual orientation is an innate characteristic… it is hard-wired into your brain. It cannot be changed. In other words, you can’t pray the gay away.

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=155

“…if one identical twin was gay, the other was also gay 50% of the time. If they were fraternal twins, they were both gay 22% of the time.”

Approximately 5% of the populous is gay. Identical twins do not CHOOSE to be gay 10-times more that the statistical average.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2005/08/14/what_makes_people_gay/

“…the message is clear: While post-birth development may well play a supporting role, the roots of homosexuality, at least in men, appear to be in place by the time a child is born.”

“British researchers… come to an even bolder conclusion… Sexual orientation is something we are born with and not ‘acquired’ from our social environment.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathogenic_hypothesis_of_homosexuality

Birth order studies: Blanchard and Klassen reported that each older brother increases the likelihood of a man being gay by 33%.

Well, we know who the parents of the bullies are. They are these people who want to prevent antibullying practices in school. …. also, Any geneticist will tell you that mammals come in more more than two sexes; there are intersexed and super sexed mammals, as well. These mammals, including humans, are capable of reproduction, and in the case of the intersexed they have both male and female traits. It is not uncommon. The Bible even mentions intersexed persons with instructions to treat them well. Only the epistles of Paul, which are not gospel, are truly homophobic, but then again, Paul saw everything under the sun as sin (so why pick any particular one out), and he especially objected to sex in any form but if a man could not remain celibate he should have sex with a woman. His words were not Gospel, and are in direct contradiction to other parts of the Bible.

[...] Tom Prichard of the Minnesota Family Council, who just wants to clear everything up. It’s fine if kids are bullied for being gay, you see, because sexual orientation is [...]

this is so disgusting.

how can you say some one at thirteen “adopted an unhealthy lifestyle?” I was called “fagot” as early as nine-years-old before I even knew what that meant! Kids, gay AND straight, are picked on and bullied because they are perceived as effeminate, not really for being gay or coming out. It is such a deep darkness to be a child or a teen and feel that something at your core is inherently wrong or defective. You don’t even have the vocabulary to identify it as something sexual, but one still feels that there is something wrong with them even at a young age- due in large part to these cowardice homophobes.

I wish Prichard would take the time to talk to the parents of these young victims and hear how the homosexual agenda indoctrinated their children. It really breaks my heart and brings tears to my eyes..

the above comment is obv not the crazy tim.

Let’s not forget that a month ago, an innocent trans woman of color, Victoria Carmen White, was murdered senselessly in her home in New Jersey. These are crimes that the homophobe/transphobe right wants to make us believe are our fault, are the natural wages of living a supposedly “unnatural” lifestyle. What her murder, dozens of other murders reported and unreported, and now these terrorism-driven suicides, are is nothing more and nothing less than THEIR pathologies toward us. It’s THEIR hate… but OUR deaths.

Mr. Prichard will never be able to wash all the blood off his hands. His dangerous persecution proves deadly. He continues to promote fear, ignorance, hate, and discrimination and worse towards Gay Americans at the expense of our children – and in the name of God. His lies of homosexual indoctrination and disrespect for these children is insidious. More fair-minded citizens and leaders need to stand up and denounce this bully.

Dear straight people: I did not get my gay life and identity from a coupon on the back of a comic book or by sending in cereal boxtops! Nor did any other homosexual or transgendered person! Your bible has over one million words in it, why do you pick and choose a handful to make your lopsided antiquated points?

I dunno about you bill, but I found a 65% discount for the Queer Lifestyle lying on the sidewalk about 9 years ago.

Mr. Prichard is a hero. He is saving the lives of many children that would otherwise be taught that the homosexual lifestyle is healthy, while the average lifespan of those involved is decreased by 20 years.

It would be great if no body’s kids were picked on. ALL kids are picked on, but we have 500 teen suicides per month and ALL of these kids are just as valuable.

@Jack – why cry about just some of these kids and forget the rest?

Why create additional laws that discriminate against kids that do not believe in this unhealthy lifestyle? That will create more bullying of other kids and further increase teen suicide.

The government is incapable of solving social problems. More laws will create more social problems.

@David in Houston – My “3 kinds of homosexual’s” is completely accurate.

The evidence of thousands of people that have left the homosexual lifestyle is proof that it is a lifestyle choice.

For example, Michael Glatze was one of the major — and most outspoken — homosexual activists in the country. He was the prototype of the hardcore activist who goes into the public schools to work with children, charms the media, lobbies the Legislature for homosexual issues, campaigns for “gay rights”, and demonizes religious believers.

He founded “Young Gay America” magazine and received numerous awards and recognition, including the National Role Model Award from the major homosexual-rights organization Equality Forum.

Here is what Michael Glatze said:

“”In my experience, “coming out” from under the influence of the homosexual mindset was the most liberating, beautiful and astonishing thing I’ve ever experienced in my entire life.”

“Homosexuality took almost 16 years of my life and compromised them with one lie or another, perpetuated through national media targeted at children.”

Read his story,
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/events07/Michael_Glatze/index.html

Listen to his interview,
http://www.cwfa.org/play.asp?id=cw20070703a

Here is a recent article that Michael wrote:
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/glatze/100512

Here are some excellent books dedicated to helping people.
Leaving Homosexuality : A Practical Guide for Men and Women Looking for a Way Out
http://www.harvesthousepublishers.com/books_nonfictionbook.cfm?productID=6926102

You Don’t Have to Be Gay: Hope and Freedom for Males Struggling With Homosexuality or for Those Who Know of Someone Who Is
http://www.amazon.com/You-Dont-Have-Gay-Homosexuality/dp/0942817087/ref=pd_sim_b_2

Just to let “tim” know, he can change his name to distinquish his comments from that of Crazy Tim as long as he explains in the comment why he is doing this so that Paul the webmaster will know what is going on. This is what “Different Tim” did.

Crazy Tim neglects to mention that the religious right continues to misuse average lifespan statistics based on old studies that were conducted on gay men in urban settings at the height of the AIDS epidemic where many already had full-blown AIDS-related conditions and before many of the HIV-suppressing medications were developed.

If those studies were to be repeated today, analysis would reveal greatly improved life expectancies. Additionally, a cross-section of all gay men across a broader geographic area would need to be factored in in order to ensure the credibility of those studies.

It is also well-known that good marriages can increase life expectancy by as much as five years or more – another good reason to extend civil marriage to same-gender couples.

Stay classy, heterosexuals.

ALWAYS stay classy!

I’m sure God LOVES watching what you are doing to your gay children.

Here’s something else Michael Glatze had to say ” Have I mentioned lately how utterly *disgusting* Obama is? And, yes, it’s because he’s black. God, help us all.”

He decided he wasn’t gay in 2007 – I’ll wager his cure lasts another year – maybe 2 – and then (if you are at all interested) the rumors and stories will start

Greetings,

Firstly, again, Tim, you contradict yourself…

1) “Instead of anti-bullying laws, we need anti-homosexual laws to protect students from the recruitment efforts of the radical homosexual activists.”

2) “Why create additional laws that discriminate against kids that do not believe in this unhealthy lifestyle? That will create more bullying of other kids and further increase teen suicide.

The government is incapable of solving social problems. More laws will create more social problems.”

Secondly, with regard to Michael Glatze, as I said earlier, there are many reasons why people are homosexual – including psychological, into which category Glatze clearly appears to fall. It appears he has serious psychological issues, judging from his swings from being a spokesperson to not being a spokesperson to being a spokesperson again:
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/03/7770/

His case does not negate the fact that there are homosexuals who are such due to biochemistry.

Kindest regards,

James

You know what Tim? I’m one of those “radical homosexuals”. You wanna know why?
Because kids are KILLING themselves because of homophobia. They’re dying! Every day! Because of hate. Because of intolerance. Because of groups like the Minnesota Family Council and the Parents Action League.
I’m in college to be a high school teacher. I’m not going to indoctrinate my students in the every-so-scary “homosexual agenda”. I’m going to teach them. I’m going to teach them respect and love and critical thinking skills so that they know hate and intolerance and homophobia when they see it. I’m going to give my future students the skills they need to be productive members of society, and that includes loving their fellow human being even if–and because–they are different.

Works like Peterson Toscano’s play “Doing Time in the Homo No Mo Halfway House” show what a lie the “ex-gay” movement is. There are plenty of ex-ex-gays. In fact, ex-ex-gay is the rule, not the exception. They are gay people who tried being straight, and found that they could not cut off part of their personality and be happy.

Considering the amount of vicious slander leveled at queer people from the Christian Right, no wonder that a certain, very small percentage of gay people try to make it in the straight world.

“The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.” – Friedrich Nietzche

@James – Your right, it does read like I am contradicting myself, so let me further explain.

If there were additional laws created to discriminate anyone that does not believe in the religious position held by radical homosexual activists, then we would need to create additional laws to protect people against the discrimination of these laws. The result would be more and more laws, in an attempt to manage and protect the public from each other’s ideas. The result would create more confusion into what characters and values children are suppose to believe in – which is not something that the ‘state’ should be trying to teach if you believe in the Constitutional provision in the separation of church and state. Unless you are willing to forgo religious freedom, the primarily reason our nation was created, than we cannot create discriminating laws like those advocated by the radical homosexual activists.

Which leads to the conclusion: The government is incapable of solving social problems. More laws will create more social problems.

Tim –

I know there is no talking to you at all regarding this topic. Your mind is closed to any concept other than your own view of the world. You appear unable to listen to other people, and I complete agree with others here that you have a very warped view on LGBT people.

So – what are we going to do here? You have your views and I have mine. In between us – children are killing themselves due to bullying. What shall we do?

I have been gay all my life. Since before I could remember, I knew I was different. Grade school, high school, college, and in my professional life. I am attracted to men – not women. I have no issues with women – I love them. But my partner of 17 years is a man and I love him with all my heart.

The issue in front of us is bullying in the schools. We need to take action against this together. Regardless of what the child is – it is a CHILD. They need responsible adults creating protection and a safe place to learn and grow and become citizens of this great country of ours.

It should not matter if they are gay or straight or Jewish or Muslim, or Latino or Black, or whatever. Each child is a part of our society – our future. To say that some demographics of our society are better than others is the exact message that promotes bullying – it creates a “I am better than you” attitude – a feeling of entitlement to treat others lower than yourself.

If you are truly concerned about the children – you will step up and do something about it. ALL children need to have a safe and respectful environment to learn and grow. It is not a “homosexual agenda” like you portray – but a effort to provide ALL children from whatever background the tolerance they deserve to mature and be productive citizens.

Tim,

You keep claiming that anti-discrimination and anti-bullying laws are discriminatory.

This means that in essence you are claiming a special right – that is, a right that no one else has in society but members of a particular class; the same thing that you often claim that LGBT people are fighting for when we’re just trying to get it hammered out IN LAW that we have all the same rights as any other citizen.

You are claiming that Christians have a particular religious duty to – let’s not mince words here – harm, harass and injure gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people in order to prove your religious superiority.

Christian Legal Society v. Martinez, decided recently under the Roberts court, held that discrimination based on “homosexual conduct” is actually discrimination against the status of being gay or lesbian, and further that protection against such discrimination is First Amendment neutral. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the author of the majority opinion, stated that the court sees no distinction between conduct and status, and that “a tax on wearing yarmulkes is a tax on Jews.”

If your religion needs to harm others, you religion needs to die out.

Oh pfffft.

We already have the First Amendment. Anyone is free to believe or not believe whatever in this country. However, anti-social behavior is another thing.

KISS, Tim.

Greetings,

Tim, I’m not quite sure what you’re saying in your last post.

Are you accepting that anti-homosexual laws should not be passed? Or are you simply saying that there should be such laws – but nothing to counter-act these lest this confuse the issue?

Kindest regards,

James

First off I want to say that I am a life-long devout Christian and my relationship with God is the most important thing in my life. The Minnesota “Family” Council and people like Tom Emmer give Christians and Christ a bad name and shame us with their rhetoric, hate mongering and the persecution of minorities. They are the main reason for people leaving the church in droves, the main reason for the climate of hate that drives gay children to suicide (including three Minnesota teens), they are behind the murder of Matthew Shepard and many others, they drive the oppression and persecution of American Citizens of other religions and they gleefully ride the tide of hate and fear that is present in our country. To these folks I say, don’t be whitewashed sepulchures, clean your own house, get the mote out of your OWN eye, you are not without sin so don’t cast stones at others. We are Americans, we are better than Tom Emmer and his ilk. They constitute the American Taliban, destroying anyone unlike them. I pray daily for them and ask God to help them awaken from their madness. God Bless America and my fellow Americans (ALL of them).

[...] a class for anti-bullying legislation.  The Minnesota Family Council has jumped into the debate.  The Minnesota Independent reports,The Minnesota Family Council (MFC) is pushing back against efforts to improve the climate for LGBT [...]

Gee, Tim, you didn’t give me any documented cases to back up your contention that animals are “turned on by light poles” etc. etc. etc.

Therefore, it is clear that, once again, you have lied. You made a declarative sentence that was a blatant lie. Not only that, it seems to me an unnecessary lie.

Apparently you are a pathological liar who cannot support his position with factual statements. Now, does God forgive those who have a mental illness by way of being a pathological liar? I mean, you aren’t responsible for being a liar, are you? On the other hand, you are all about personal accountability and personal choice and the freedom to be good or bad. And yet you always choose to lie. Interesting. You might want to talk to God about that, sooner rather than later. He comes like a thief in the night, as you know, Tim.

Due to the Christian belief, the judgement should be in the hands of God, and no one else.

The only agenda here is the one of the Extremist Cultist Zealot like group of the MFC to indoctrinate the public into their views. pushing their Behaviors and lifestyle onto ME!

I find the lifestyle of this group as deadly. Forget about unhealthy. Their bigoted views have pushed people into their deaths.

People forget their History, it was “christian groups” that tried to keep slavery. It was a “Christian group” that led the KKK.

What is wrong with all of you hateful people on here. The homosexual agenda? Are you kidding me? Smoking meth is a better option? Seriously? Perhaps you should go smoke meth and hope it knocks some sense into you. Wow. Kids are dying at their own hands from bullying! I was there, I get it! This is not an agenda, it is a fact driven ideal that we should all be aware of and share with others that people are different. Do you honestly think you are sheltering your child from gay and lesbians in the world. Do you think because your own hate is so strong that you could not possibly have a gay child yourself? FACT: Straight people give birth to gay people! Shocker I know for the weak minded, but there you go. Now you know. You are breeding hate, and fear into your children, you are perpetuating shame on them when they need you most. You are encouraging your children to act this way to others. Kids are sharing these stories, adults are not pulling the reasons out of thin air. These kids were bullied for being gay. FACT. Others are bullied for being too goth, too poor, too obese, etc. The list goes on and one. Your child could be this child and when it happens to you we will still be there to support you because that is who we are. Would you honestly say, “well my kid killed themselves, no need to do anything about. That’s just that.” If it could have been prevented, you do something.

Quit using scare tactics to further your hateful agendas. You don’t have to agree with the “gay lifestyle” that you clearly know nothing about and nobody is forcing that down your throat. Strip sex out of being gay and what do you have? NOTHING. Do you shake hands with your straight friends and think of them having sex with their partners? Do you shake hands with a newly found friend and say, “before we carry on I need to know what team you play for?” It is as absurd as the question sounds! You are free to believe what you want, have the religion you want, go where you want and be who you want. Guess what, so am I, and so was the child that committed suicide because they were bullied so much…in these cases for being gay. FACT.

“The real issue is “homosexual indoctrination,” not anti-gay bullying, says MFC’s Tom Prichard, who says the students are dead because they adopted an “unhealthy lifestyle.”

“Whatever the exact reason for Justin’s suicide it’s an enormous tragedy that shouldn’t be manipulated for ideological purposes..”

Hypocrisy. But I bet he doesn’t even realise the contradiction, using children’s deaths for to further his ideology, then claiming that it’s others who do that.

I think, with the deaths of 9 GLBT kids in the last 2 months due to bullycide, that the American people are starting at long last to wake up to those like him. What they’re doing is now too obvious to ignore.

@ Tim: There is absolutely no scientific proof that anyone’s sexual orientation can be changed. All scientific research (some of which I posted above) indicate that sexual orientation is an innate characteristic that cannot be changed. The APA (and every other medical organization) agrees. — As far as I know, this Michael Glatze person could be bisexual, and is now leaning toward a heterosexual orientation OR he simply chose to not act out on his homosexual desires, and has decided to play the part of a straight man. In either case, he did not change his sexual orientation. (Could you choose to be gay for one day?) There are probably tens-of-thousands of gay men that have married women because they can’t reconcile their religious beliefs and their sexuality. So they’d rather live their entire lives in denial of who they really are than have the courage to live an honest fulfilling life. These people should be pitied, not put up on a pedestal.

How shocking and shameful that someone who claims to be “Christian” would mock and revile those who take their lives! We are seeing, just as we saw after the murder of Matthew Shepherd, those promoting the immoral anti-gay agenda frantically trying to wash their hands of all responsibility and blame the victim instead. Kinda like Pontious Pilate.

Shrill pro-bullying, anti-gay pressure group MFC asks, “But is the loving thing to encourage and promote unhealthy and harmful behaviors and practices?” Of course, the answer is an emphatic, “NO!” And what is more unhealthy and harmful than creating a climate where bullying someone to death is allowed and encouraged by insulting the dead and cruelly redefining it as the “victim’s fault?”

MFC like all the other militant anti-gay advocacy groups is responsible, by its harmful and unhealthy behavior and actions, for creating a climate where our teenagers feel that suicide is the only solution to avoid admitting that they are the way God created them to be. The “solution” offered by unrepentant homophobes is to let the bullying go on and encourage it by indoctrinating our students with the idea that homophobia is a legitimate “religious belief” rather than a murderous, evil behavior that results in death to others and of the perpetrator’s soul. As the Bible so clearly warns us, “Bad fruit cannot come from a good tree.”

How sad that a person such as Tom Prichard does not understand the true meaning of a relationship with God. He spews untruths and prentends that his religion backs him up. How wrong. First and foremost, the Bible is not absolute, it was written by men who first put their own interpretations into what they wrote and then the multiple translations have changed words and meanings over and over. The word homosexual never even appeared in a bible until the 1950s and if you truly research the times when passages were written, you would understand that many of the verses that supposed Christians site have no relationship to homosexuality at all. Having said that, only a true relationship with God and not with a church is the only way to understand. It is so sad that churches have chosen to teach their own views and not considered what God wants.

Yes, of course… just like the KKK did not lynch black people and the Nazis never had any concentration camps, Elvis is alive and lives in Tampa.

How sick are these people? They can call the day night and try to argue their point too. What bareface homophobic primitives! In the privacy of their own homes, they can say what they want, but the public voicing of such putrescent slime should attract the most vocal condemnation in any civilised society.

These people are sick, sick, SICK!

I was recently in Italy and met a group of students from Minnesota, and I thought I would look up their home town and came across this article. I am astonished that people are still bothered whether some people are gay. Here in the UK we are so over it, but in what is supposed to be a civilised country, the US, certains sections of your society behave in a similar way to those in places like Iran when it comes to homosexuality. Why does anybody need to be concerned about gay people if the are straight?? If there’s a Hell, or health issues, or any other adverse effects of homosexuality why should you care??? We all live our own lives and make our own choices and that should be that.
Move on, get over it. There are people, there always have been and always will be deal with it!

Today should be a day that all people stand up against the Bullies, go to http://mnfamilycouncil.blogspot.com/ and tell them what you think!

[...] “I’ll of course be accused of being unloving, hateful, etc. But is the loving thing to encourage and promote unhealthy and harmful behaviors and practices?” Prichard said, according to the Minnesota Independent. [...]

Telling LGBT kids that they need to be “saved” from who they are and who they love is nothing but child abuse.

Shame on the Minnesota Independent for printing such hatred and sickness. You would never publish an article that said that women should not have the right to vote, people of color should still be slaves or that all Japanese should be put to death. Shame shame – your paper does a horrible disservice to your readership by publishing such hatred and oppressive bias.

If an organization seeking to influence elections and public policy (or anyone else in the political realm) said that “women should not have the right to vote, people of color should still be slaves or that all Japanese should be put to death,” we most certainly would publish it. Our aim is to inform our readers.

When did I choose to be straight? No, no,..let me think about it,… Frankly, the “choice” never entered my mind. In fact, in wasn’t a choice at all. That same is true for everyone labeled LGBT.

The stone age wisdom of the MFC is simply indefensible and outrageously immoral, and a national embarrassment.

Shame:

Your analogy is not only not right, it isn’t even wrong. Voting on same-sex marriage is the same as if white people had been given the “right” to vote on Loving v. Virginia, or more recently if straight people had been given the “right” to vote on Romer v. Evans (oh wait, they WERE, and voted to legalize discrimination against LGBT people until the Supreme Court said no) or Lawrence v. Texas.

Complaining about the privileged majority being “enslaved” when they are not permitted to vote against civil rights for a minority is exactly inverted. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I have watched people in my own family die little by little as the ravages of this sinful and lust-filled life style devours them. This is No “life style” choice but a over-coming of ones natural inclinations by a illicit sinful nature. Without guidance and help the Gay life style sadly overwhelms the young boy or girl and leaves them more lonely and out cast then any hatful person, could do on their own. Only those who have struggled with this burden can relate with those who struggle with the torment that this spirit of the “effeminate” places upon them. If you think your helping and haven’t had this personal struggle you are really not equipt to understand the battle within. I Speak the truth for any who have confided in this. As a man who has dealt with this first hand in my life, I know this is a powerful dark force. There has been no one honest Gay man I have spoken with who is truly happy in their state of Homosexuality. A feeling of loss is always present in the inability to control the desires of the flesh.

Loving a man a truth friend is often perverted into a sexual relationship of conveniences.. Cheapening the true relationship that was sought. After the perversion of the friendship is crossed, the young man is left feeling confused and injured to his soul. Just a young girl who may have been victimized by a more experience cunning man. The feeling is the same. The predator nature of the harden Gay man is a detriment to the young mans soul. That young man ..who is confused about friendship and sexual relations. As one aspect of the relationship blurs into the other and the melding of the two become indistinguishable, despair will often follow. Having no where to go on no one to trust with his questions, he is driven further into the life style of the homosexual (as it seems they are the only ones willing to accept him with worts and all)..( all men have secrets ) . The Loneliness of this situation is a culmination of societies’ lack of compassion and mercy, but not the lack of acceptance. In-fact acceptance is a lie that leads men further into that which they wish to be freed from. Yet , I say that acceptance is importance to help those who really want to be freed from this most consuming lifestyle. If we are cruel, and lack wisdom then the young man is left to only turn more into the dark night , and be swallowed up in this shame. At least with some acceptance. He may be able to reach-out for help. A new law will not change anything, a true help would be an out reach organization that would offer help to those who are seeking it, weather trying to live with this burden or break free from it.

You should get yourself to a faith healer and git yerself checked for gayness, scott in minnetonka, you are likely to be next in line.

Most of these comments show an enormous lack of education. As a TRUE Christian, I know it is my duty to treat others as I would have them treat me, I must pluck the splinter from my eye before I reach for the one in yours, and I am to love and accept ALL of God’s children.

You folks that seem to revel in the deaths of homosexuals and then go a step further and blame them for their plight, scare the hell out of me because this mentality is not Christian according to my Bible but smells of Sulfur which is found in hell.

I would rather find myself on my knees before the Father asking forgiveness for loving the wrong person than being the guy on his knees beside me asking forgiveness for judging.

Saying that a homosexual teenager’s bullying and subsequent suicide is their fault because of their sexual lifestyle is like saying that it is the fault of a 10 year old girl that a paedophile raped her to death because she had highlighted hair.