Anti-gay marriage groups use MLK in new radio ad

This makes me want to puke. Yeah, you want your civil right to vote on whether I am allowed my civil right to civilly marry the person I want. Your right to vote DOES NOT trump my right to marry.
Equal civil marriage is ONLY about having the legal rights and protections that every heterosexual couple gets. I don’t care if I get married in a Church, nor would ANYONE sue a Church to get married in it.
Want to protect marriage? Make divorce illegal! So it’s okay that Newt can be on his fourth wife, but not okay for me to marry my first?
I call bullshit!

We need to protect the family:

When a woman chooses to get knocked up, ala, Bristol Palin, then the father of that child must marry her and stay married until that child is of the majority.

If a spouse cheats, they lose all their assets, and their right to spend time with their children.

One divorce per person after their children reach majority age.

Kick the Roman Catholic church out of this country because it is the largest terrorism group in the world. They build churches in neighborhoods with children so the pedophile priests will have easy access to groom them before molesting them.

Take away any tax benefits to getting married. If you choose to get married, why should you pay less in taxes? Single people should not have to support married couples.

They say at one moment, I am against all Bullies, then they create the bullies of the world.

These extremest groups Need to be stopped, they need to know that they are unconstitutional, they are oppressive and force their extreme religious views on the public, when I am allowed to have what ever belief system I want.

Marriage is not legal until the state signs the paper work. They have no legal rights to marry anyone.

The state does. It is not a religious institution. Its a legal one.

CHURCH STAY OUT OF MY CIVIL RIGHTS!

@ republican

kick the roman catholic church out of town? They back you up on your extremist communistic ways. They do not allow divorce, they are the ones that make you marry if pregnant.

Extremest are the the terrorists in this country.

Putting your personal value on how to raise a family, be a family or how to live is unconstitutional and against the law.

Who voted on your marriage?

Smile:

Do it Go-Ahead do it!

But in My face ( I-AM-IN-CONTROL)
IF YOU INSIST, THAT IS AN ACT OF WAR!
“ON GUARD”

pastor@unitedstateschurch

SMILE:

Why not just “KEEP DONT ASK-DONT TELL” and do you thing and i do mine.

pastor@unitedstateschurch.org

If you’re going to use “give us the ballot” then quote the whole speech. Include the other parts that say things like this… “It is unfortunate that at this time the leadership of the white South stems from the close-minded reactionaries. These persons gain prominence and power by the dissemination of false ideas and by deliberately appealing to the deepest hate responses within the human mind.”

Even in this ad they are attempting to gain power through the dissemination lies and hate.

To invoke Martin Luther King and the right to vote in order to limit a minorities’ rights is about as abhorrent as I’ve seen in this debate.

This TV ad is but a regurgitated version of an earlier ad described at
http://minnesotaindependent.com/71100/mlk-nom-mfc-anti-gay-marriage-ad-emmer-dayton

So I shall copy-paste the two comments I posted at the above link:

Stand up to NOM’s Shameful Behavior in Minnesota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6pnY37DKl4&feature=player_embedded

Transcript:
So, you remember Tom Emmer, the homophobe in Minnesota who got a hundred and fifty thousand dollars from Target to run for governor? Well the National Organization for Marriage is running TV ads about him, and guess what? They’re misleading. Check it out.

“The right to vote. Our most important civil right.” They have got some nerve, putting Martin Luther King Junior in this ad. We’re going to talk about him in just a second, so remember that he was there.

“Some politicians want to impose gay marriage in Minnesota without a vote.” They keep trying this “impose” trick. But what are they TALKING about? How do you IMPOSE a marriage? That’s like saying that the first amendment imposes religion. Giving someone a freedom isn’t the same as forcing them to exercise it. So let’s be clear! THEY are the ones imposing the ban on US.

“When Massachusetts did this, gay marriage was taught to first and second graders.” This is gibberish. Just like you don’t “impose” a freedom, marriage isn’t “taught.” What Massachusetts teaches is that kids come from all different kinds of families, and they deserve to be judged not on their gender but on the content of their character. And why is this so important? Because there is an epidemic young gay kids, who’ve been lied to and made to feel worthless by cruel adults like these, kids who kill themselves because they feel so alone. Massachusetts has nothing to be ashamed of.

“Shouldn’t something this important be decided by Minnesota voters, not politicians?” Let’s go back to Martin Luther King. It’s largely because of his work that we have the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. And those were signed into law by — guess who? Politicians. Brave individuals who defied public prejudice to do what they knew was right. Besides which — isn’t this an ad for a politician? We’re in a gubernatorial election, there is no referendum on marriage. This whole ad is just a distraction.

“Mark Dayton and Tom Horner want gay marriage with no vote of the people.” Here’s what they’re not telling you: it’s not just Mark Dayton and Tom Horner. Every candidate for governor supports the freedom to marry except Tom Emmer. He’s all alone on this issue. And maybe there’s a reason for that.

“Tom Emmer believes marriage is between one man and one woman.” And believing something makes it true.

“And Emmer says, ‘let the people vote.’” Really. Now, Tom Emmer likes to talk about his huge family. Is he going to say “let the people vote” if the day comes that one of his children is gay? Is he willing to put his own kids’ freedom up to a vote? Emmer needs to learn that when he says “let the people vote,” he’s not talking about some vague principle. He’s talking about real human beings who are suffering, some of whom may someday be much closer to him than he thought possible.

“Gay marriage has consequences. Demand your right to vote.” Now let’s be clear. This is a lie. Gay marriage has consequences? Name them. If you want to play the consequences game, let’s talk about gay people dying alone in hospitals, getting deported, losing their homes, their families, their jobs, for no reason other than to satisfy someone’s bigoted impulses. This isn’t really about voting. This is about abusing the ballot, turning it into a weapon to hurt people. It’s wrong, it’s unAmerican, and it is deeply shameful behavior.

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Mark C in MN commented recently on the stop8.org videoclip (link above) in another blog:

All that is good, but he’s also missing another thing that is very deceptive about the NOM ad. Minnesota does not have any referendum or initiative process. There is no mechanism by which extending marriage equality could be put to a vote of the people. We simply don’t make law that way here. The only reason the issue would come to the ballot, would be if a constitutional amendment were to be proposed. But for some reason they seem unwilling to directly demand a vote on adding a permanent constitutional ban on recognizing same-sex couples to the state constitution. It’s all in this very cagey and deceptive scheme. Of course, that’s what one expects from NOM and their ilk.

And this thing about making it sound like the very right to vote is in jeopardy is arrant nonsense. And dangerous nonsense at that, not only on this issue, but because it deliberately distorts, subverts, and spreads ignorance about Minnesota’s political and legal processes within the state.

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As for MLK’s words “Give us the ballot,” I need to see the whole speech in MLK’s words as I just know the MFC and NOM took these four words out of context to support their homophobic, anti-family, anti-Minnesota and anti-American agenda. Bah.

Andy, thank you for including the transcript! (I am Deaf.)

> This TV ad is but a regurgitated version of an earlier ad …

This should read “This radio ad is but a regurgitated version of an earlier TV ad …”

As for Rufus, our newest troll, prefacing his comments with “Smile,” I can’t help but be reminded of NOM’s Brian S. Brown’s crocodilian smile as he defiantly “non-responds” to those who confront him on his lies while his eyes radiate utter contempt for those people while simultaneously projecting his own self-serving self-righteousness, not caring that his sh*t stinks worse than everybody else’s. Not a pretty sight at all!

Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality.

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Homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you don’t choose the color of your skin, you cannot choose whom you are sexually attracted to. If you can, sorry, but you are not heterosexual, you are bi-sexual. Virtually all major psychological and medical experts agree that sexual orientation is NOT a choice. Most gay people will tell you its not a choice. Common sense will tell you its not a choice. While science is relatively new to studying homosexuality, studies tend to indicate that its biological.

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There is overwhelming scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Sexual orientation is generally a biological trait that is determined pre-natally, although there is no one certain thing that explains all of the cases. “Nurture” may have some effect, but for the most part it is biological.

The National Library of Medicine pubs confirm that sexual orientation is natural, biologically induced in the first trimester of pregnancy, morally neutral, immutable, neither contagious nor learned, bearing no relation to an individuals ability to form deep and lasting relationships, to parent children, to work or to contribute to society.

From the American Psychological Association: homosexuality is normal; homosexual relationships are normal.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychological Asociation and American Psychiatric Asociation have endorsed civil marriage for same-sex couples because marriage strengthens mental and physical health and longevity of couples, and provides greater legal and financial security for children, parents and seniors.

America’s premier child/mental health associations endorse marriage equality.

How ironic when MLK’s main advisor and mentor during his early activist years, Bayard Rustin, was openly homosexual. MLK clearly didn’t hate him so maybe it’s time Alveda research her family history.

“I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, ‘Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.’ I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream, to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.”

-Coretta Scott King

Do these people believe their own rhetoric? Where does the majority got the idea they can decide on the rights of the distinct class minority in a country where everyone is to be treated equally under the law?

Aren’t words like INALIENABLE and EQUAL PROTECTION exact words with exact meanings. How DO they get around these factual obstacles and delude themselves into thinking they are somehow American and not un-American for their bigoted and shortsighted views and tactics?

MLKJr. knew that without a certain gay man, Bayard Rustin, there would have been no March on Washington, as this man conceived and organized the event himself, a man whom MLKJr. reportedly loved like a brother.

The right to vote on the rights of others? I’d say MLKJr. is turning in his grave.

It seems to me that if it is put up to a vote, everyone knows that marriage between one man and one woman will win with flying colors. It isn’t about any particular relationship. This is about society and the next generation. Would you have liked to have two moms/dads? Kids could get adopted into that if traditional marriage is overturned.

Oh, btw…… GO POPE BENIDICT AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!

Keep bearing witness to the world on right and wrong.

Pope Benidict (sic)? Who is he? (At least I know who Dalai Lama is, S2P.) Let’s see. OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH You mean Emperor Palpatine!

Onward to full civil and marriage equality rights.
Cheers, Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
Red Studio Farm, Washington, CT USA.

You’re trying too hard to troll, and failing miserably :D

On a few notes, if interracial marriage was put up for vote, it never would have been legalized. Same with racial desegregation. Civil rights should never be put up to vote, especially when we have the equality for all clause.

Also, gay adoption is irrelevant to gay marriage. They are two completely separate issues. You can have gay adoptions in some places without gay marriage, and vice-versa. Tying in irrelevant topics doesn’t help any of your arguments, or your trolling ^_^

Saul 2 Paul,

If we vote for marriage rights, what other civil rights for various peoples should we put up for a vote? What churches we should consider legitimate?

The concept of civil rights is that NO ONE’S should be voted away. This is why the California amendment was overturned.

I’ve never understood just how one persons rights are infringed by another person exercising the same rights. Gay civil rights are NOT up to the majority to be decided.

It seems to me that the profoundly unreasoning, prejudice-driven, internally contradictory opposition to gay equality very nearly if not actually eliminates the possibility of engaging in rational dialogue with the likes of NOM, and the Christian right. As a believer in democracy and dialogue in solving our mutual problems, I find this conclusion disturbing, but compelled by the evidence.

So then the question (for me at least) becomes: when a significant fraction of the population demonstrates that it is incapable of fair-minded, evidence-based, rational dialogue, then how do we respond?

Like many African American pastors, Pastor Bob Battle (COGIC) clearly links MLK Jr. and traditional marriage in his speech at a July 28th NOM rally in St. Paul. In fact, over 70% of African Americans voted for Prop 8. It seems that those who defined civil rights don’t agree that marriage is a civil right. Is Pastor Battle a hateful bigot?

Battle also helped clear up the inter-racial marriage argument. Pastor Battle pointed out that allowing a black man to marry a white woman, or vice versa, didn’t redefine marriage. It remained between one man and one woman.

MLK Jr. spoke at COGIC Church headquarters the night before he was assasinated and Battle’s family new Emmett Till.

See Pastor Battles comments on YouTube at MFCMN or…

http://www.youtube.com/user/MFCMN?feature=mhum#p/a/u/0/L13sYmJN9qc

[...] following ad is running for Tom Emmer’s campaign in Minnesota.  It’s put out by the Minnesota Family Council [...]

@Chuck Darrell

As concerns the GLBT community, the answer is a profound yes. It is a sad truth that being a member of an oppressed minority does not endow a human being with any more kindness or consideration toward members of other oppressed minorities.

Pastor Battle is incorrect because he does not comprehend that same-sex marriage does not redefine marriage, either. It merely removes a customary restriction upon marriage. He is satisfied with the presence of that restriction because it (a) does not encumber him in any meaningful way and (b) it encumbers persons against whom he is personally bigoted.

Both the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans, and the 9th Circuit in Perry v. Schwarzenegger, have asserted that personal bigotry is not a fit criterion on which to make public laws which disadvantage private persons and personal conduct.

That the African-American community now in the broad case actively opposes the full panoply of civil rights for another minority group will be seen in the future as their profound moral failure.

smile

If the U.S. Government established an official religion, what would they do?
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And all that is Humanly possible towards death and distruction.

Can any one help me to understand why The President is putting all of his Strength
towards a sub-human cause, that is gay-rights.

The compromise, is it the giving away of us money to buy Votes for the repeal of dont ask?
Who puts that much into gay except gay.

had we put that much into a Public Option, then we would still be on top? Yes Or No?
Pastor@unitedstateschurch.org

Happy to see that Tom Emmer did not approve this message.

Don’t worry. I won’t vote this year. They’ve already decided my fate for me long ago. I’m a 55 year old gay man. Living and dying alone in a remote rural area, from Lyme and cancer. All true. I don’t even qualify for health-care. Just like they want all gay people to live … and die — ALONE. They got their wish with me, just like they want. No family, no friends, suffering and dying alone. My only affordable pain-management is aspirin and alcohol.

Happy now? I’m doing it just for you lousy christians, to make you happy.

They’re probably ecstatic over this news. They got their wish with one gay person. Now if only they could force all gay people to live, suffer, and die alone. No doubt they’d be in their imaginary heaven over accomplishing that feat of causing the continued suffering of others.

christians aren’t happy unless they’re sacrificing someone else’s life to appease their beliefs in their god. Human-sacrifice is their only way. Just two decades ago their human-sacrifice war-cry and prayer was “let all the fags die of aids” to try to appease their belief in their god. For some it still is their cry for human-sacrifice. Now it’s “all gay people must live, suffer, and die ALONE.”

p.s. May every last one of you lousy fu**ed-up christians burn in your eternal hell for having made my whole life a living hell, and now a dying hell, by your own choosing.

Remember but one thing, being gay is not a choice, but your religion is MOST DEFINITELY a choice. You have chosen to cause the suffering of others, willingly, all your lousy useless lives.

Those of us who believe that marriage is beetween one man and one woman have the right to their beliefs as protected by the 1st ammendment. A lot of people quote freedom of religion (right to choose what religion you want) freedom from religion(separation of church and state) but fail to include Freedom from Non-Religion. I think it is equally unconstitutional to impose a law that is contrary to the word of God and the will of God such as Gay Marriage simply to appease and make Gays feel comfortable.

Dear “G-Money”, which god’s will? I have a book here titled “Encyclopedia of Gods”, listing over 1500 VALID gods & goddesses of the world. The one from the middle-east just a recent invention, an immature god with very little history and past. One that acts like an immature spoiled brat. So do tell. When you claim the “word of god”, you really need to tell us which of the 1500 gods you are referring to. You might also want to be careful which one you pray to. You might be praying to the very god that destroyed your own ancestral heritage, as did that childish christian god that destroyed all the knowledge and wisdom of all European cultures. We never have recovered from the loss of knowledge and wisdom during the Dark Ages that christianity caused. You’re living proof of that. Praying to that god is no less culturally, spiritually, morally, and historically hypocritical than if some jewish person was praying heil-hitler to a swastika. Their hypocrisy would be just as deep as the hypocrisy of all European christians for the very same reason. Praying to the very beliefs or god that were used to murder and torture your ancestors. I hear tell that that god has also caused nothing but wars for the last 2000 years and accomplished nothing else.

Surely you’re smarter than that, aren’t you? No?