Using inaccurate figure, Bachmann calls Obama’s India trip ‘massive overspending’
Thursday, November 04, 2010 at 10:34 am
CNN’s Anderson Cooper had a straightforward question for Rep. Michele Bachmann last night: Now that Republicans have the majority in the U.S. House, what spending cuts will they make to balance the budget? Republicans have talked about dismantling the Department of Energy, the Department of Education and doing away with corporate income tax. While Bachmann refused to name any specific programs she’d cut, she did have one case of “massive overspending”: President Obama’s upcoming trip to India. One problem with that: The cost of the trip she repeatedly cites is massively overestimated.
Bachmann told Cooper that Obama’s south Asian trip will cost taxpayers “$200 million a day” and represents “the kind of over-the-top spending” that’s rampant in Washington.
“No one really knows the cost, because for security reasons they don’t disclose the cost,” Cooper countered. “So this idea that it’s $200 million is simply made up.”
Bachmann replied, “Well these are the numbers that have been coming out in the press.”
CNN fact-checked the claim, finding that the press report Bachmann cited was not American but Indian, and the $200 million per day figure came from an anonymous Indian source, “allegedly an Indian provincial official.”
“How he would know how much President Obama’s trip is costing, I don’t know,” Cooper mused.
The White House says the estimate repeated by Bachmann has “no basis in reality” and is “wildly inflated.” FactCheck agrees: Bachmann’s wrong.
When Cooper asked Bachmann for specific spending cuts she’d make to balance the budget — asking whether cuts to Social Security or Medicare are on the table — she wouldn’t answer.
“Well with cuts, we need to begin with a general budget. We need to reform Social Security so it can stand on its own… We can’t be about scaring senior citizens right now,” she said.
When asked what three areas she’d cut to offset the lost income from extending the Bush tax cuts, she wouldn’t name any. (“Eligibility levels may be too high,” she said in her most precise moment.)
So just how far off is that $200 million cost Bachmann cited?
CNN says that the most expensive presidential trip on record — Bill Clinton’s Asia trip — cost $50 million dollars — not per day, but for the entire trip. Here’s the GAO report on Clinton’s travels (PDF),
The interview is the second in as many days where Bachmann has opted not to provide specifics on ideas she actively campaigned on. Tuesday night, she refused to answer MSNBC host Chris Matthews questions about whether the new Republican majority would use its subpoena power to investigate Democrats in Congress. This summer she told a Republican group that “all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another.”
Update: The Pentagon characterized the $200 million per day figure as “a lot of creative writing” and “astronomical,” reiterating that for security reasons it doesn’t release the costs of such trips. The agency did bat down a rumor that the president will use 34 warships during the trip. Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell called it an “absurd notion of there being 34 ships, or more than 10 percent of the Navy, deployed in support of this trip. That is most certainly not the case.”
68 Comments
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 10:38 am
Endless stupidity from Bachmann….make a wildly absurd claim and then not respond when challenged. Typical Republican tactic.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 11:32 am
I am curious that now with “spending cuts” front and center of the public discussion… exactly what governmental cuts are to be done? Are military cuts off the table?
We can forget about any discussion of the effect of people losing jobs over these cuts…
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 11:39 am
It isn’t just Bachmann. No Republican anywhere can name big, specific things that will need to be cut in order to balance the budget.
Obama absolutely needs to start hammering the hell out of them on this.
You want to balance the budget? Tell us what needs to be cut. Give us real numbers. Do it now or go home and let the adults run the show again.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 11:40 am
“When asked what three areas she’d cut to offset the lost income from extending the Bush tax cuts, she wouldn’t name any.”
Cooper’s a bleeping idiot. What lost income? There are no tax cuts planned. Come Jabuary 1st, tax rates will either go up dramatically or they will stay the same. By most accounts the congress will see that they stay the same. There is no “loss of income” to offset.
What they’ll do is impose across-the-board 10-12% budget cuts for all government budgets except medicare. Social Security is supposedly self-funded so it doesn’t count.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 11:52 am
“How he would know how much Presidenet Obama’s trip is costing, I don’t know,” Cooper mused.
The White House says the estimate repeated by Bachmann has “no basis in reality” and is “wildly inflated.”
But Cooper failed to get the actual or even estimated cost from the White House. We do know that over 40 planes will be taking over 3,000 people on the trip including 500 security people and they will be staying at a 5-star hotel. Is that necessary in these tight times?
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 11:55 am
Yes, let the communist run the show if you don’t know where to cut to balance the budgets.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 12:06 pm
Cooper is a dud. All the White House will say is that it is wildly inflated and hide behind the security excuse to not give an account for cost. That doesn’t hold up. You don’t have to have a detailed account to see the amount of people, equipment, and resources to get an estimate that while it may not be 200M, it sure will be high especially with the 5 star treatment.
AND here is your budget cut – ObamaCare. That is at least 1 Trillion dollars.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 12:14 pm
Cooper is a complete idiot. Why is he even trying to defend Obama’s massive and unnecessary spending? That is the real story. And the answer is because the liberal media is still in love with this guy, even though he will never recover from this election.
It is now clear that Obama is the problem and his agenda to spend the nation into the ground is the source of the nations’ dislike of Obama. The Democrats have a real problem on their hands because Obama is the leaders of their party and therefore representing all Democrats.
The more the liberal media tries to defend Obama’s spending agenda the more the public will turn from those that defend him – like they did on Tuesday. 15 out of 20 Democrats that voted with Obama’s healthcare socialization plan lost their seat on Tuesday. America has completely rejected Obama and everyone tied to him.
The best strategy for Republicans is to continue to associate Democrats with Obama and his spending agenda, just like Bachmann is doing. She is brilliant as her massive win shows.
The liberal media is soon going to realize they have to forget about Obama or they will just be directing and galvanizing the public’s anger for Obama at them.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 12:22 pm
Tim, tell us what should be cut. We needs specifics. We have a huge deficit and we need real answers.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 12:25 pm
Too bad no one of you conservatives live in reality. Just because there isn’t a figure released (for security reasons), doesn’t mean that the figure of $200 million is in any way based in reality.
See http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/, which notes that a trip of $200 million is greater than the cost of fighting the Afghanistan War, a budgetary move hardly criticized by conservatives. Of course that might confront your normal discussion style of making blanket statements.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 12:45 pm
Tim, Cooper didn’t ask about Obama’s trip. He asked what Bachmann would cut spending on, and she went straight off topic so that she didn’t have to answer. Typical tea-bagging crap from this woman. “Lie here, lie there, just don’t tell the truth anywhere.” Why aren’t the republicans held accountable to answer any questions??
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 12:51 pm
One other thing – shouldn’t a member of Congress actually fact check and verify information before they start spewing it on national television? This is a repeated flaw of Bachmann’s!! But since she’s saying it on TV, people automatically believe her without questioning. This is an example of the crap that divides our country and pits neighbor against neighbor. I’m sick of it!
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 3:13 pm
I said it before and I’ll say it again, you morons of the 6th District reelected this ridiculous excuse for a leader.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 3:17 pm
Dennis you repeated everything she just said. You both are insane. Are you both under the same spell? You are making shit up. Like her. She gave no specifics.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 4:49 pm
@Disco – What to cut? That is an excellent question.
There are several great proposals that have been put forth, but you don’t hear about them because the liberal media wants to continue to tell us that the GOP does not have an answers.
Here is a great place to start.
Cato’s website, http://www.downsizinggovernment.org
http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/
Here is a great article with details of what to cut.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/what-spending-should-the-gop-cut/
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 5:27 pm
Tim, here’s what your Cato Downsizing Government website says about the GOP Pledge to America:
“The House Republicans’ release of its “Pledge to America” has been met with criticism from across the ideological spectrum. While excoriation from the left was inevitable, those who were hoping that the GOP would set out a detailed agenda for limiting government were also not satisfied.
The 48-page document contains more pictures of Republican members of Congress than it does evidence that the GOP is seriously prepared to cut spending. While the introductory commentary is designed to appeal to the tea party movement, the actual “plan” to return budgetary sanity to Washington is both timid and incomplete.
The following are some thoughts on the pledge’s “plan to stop out of control spending and reduce the size of government”:
* The document immediately notes that the “lack of a credible plan” to tackle the mounting federal debt causes uncertainty for employers and investors. The problem is the GOP leadership doesn’t have a credible plan to address the debt, or at least this document doesn’t offer one.
* It disingenuously promises to “cut government spending to pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels” when in fact it only intends to do so for a small portion of the overall federal budget. The reduction would apply to discretionary, non-security spending, which only accounts for about 15 percent of total federal spending.
* Not only does the GOP punt on the big-ticket programs like Social Security and Medicare, the document devotes an entire section to maintaining the interventionist foreign policy that is helping to bankrupt the country. The GOP doesn’t appear to understand that the American people are having an increasingly difficult time understanding why the government continues to take bricks out of our own economy in order to build nations around the globe. ”
Not a very glowing endorsement.
Cato is another “wingnut welfare” project of Teaparty astroturfers David and Charles Koch. These Cato fellows are very glib when it comes to cutting of other peoples’ jobs or or incomes. Like Social Security and Medicare for starters. Notice how they haven’t started on the war department. The GOP will not attack the powerful entrenched interests in this country. They’ll pick on the weak and disenfranchised. That’s one reason, plus the fact a lot of Congresspersons represent districts dependent on war department largesse for their jobs.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 6:21 pm
“Tim” writes: “Cooper is a complete idiot. Why is [Cooper] even trying to defend Obama’s massive and unnecessary spending? That is the real story. And the answer is because the liberal media is still in love with this guy…”
Though Bachman never answered the question he presented, Cooper repeatedly tried to get the facts straight, but she had nothing substantive to offer. I guess to you media critics that passes as fact and she’s a distinguished legislator.
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 8:38 pm
this figure was firstly reported by the Press Trust of India, not invented by her. Perhpas WH should give a ballpark figure, vs just saying No without any detail.
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Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 11:38 pm
I have yet to hear ONE Republican say what cuts should be made. Of course, Bachmann never has a sensical answer to ANY question.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:40 am
Remember folks: this is the same tactic that was used in Texas by Bushs’ machine to impune his opponents: publish disparaging information, let it stew and people to believe it; and then after the damage is done, retract the statements quietly. People remember the shocking impact of the original statement, but conveniently miss the correction. Look it up… this happened when he ran for Governor, and it worked. This is the Republican method of politics: don’t provide answers or fixes, just cut down the credibility of the other side. Really PATHETIC.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:47 am
Also, where were all these Republican Penny Pinchers, who seem so concerned with spending NOW, where were they when Bush wrote blank checks to destroy and attempt to build our 51st state in Iraq?? Bull crap they shovel now. He inherited a budget surplus and sent us into a spiral we are still trying to fix. WHERE WERE YOU THEN??? HUH? Now he has a cushy pension, and we have to fix his MORONIC mess.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:00 am
Tamika
You are a Jackass; professing to pull statements from the bible: how about Mathew 25: 31-46… that you do to the least of you you do to me; that you do not do for the least of you, you do for me. How is OUR PRESIDENT ATTEMPTING TO HELP our citizens, which I believe is his JOB, how is that anti christian. I am so tired of people pulling out their Bibles and professing to be good Christians, and using quotes to reinforce their Bigotry and Hate. When asses like you have no substance on which to base their position, they resort to a pure vapid rhetoric.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 3:27 am
Someone should check the water in this woman’s district. I can’t believe that a woman this STUPID could actually BE in Congress. Thats it… it’s over… we are seriously fu**** as a country. When our elected representatives have devolved to the level of babling morons, what hope can we have?
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 4:09 am
Teleconference a meeting between heads of state? Ask them to come here? Bachmann really doesn’t know the first thing about diplomacy!
Clearly, the majority of her constituency does not want reality-based representation.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 8:27 am
Well said Jonerik! another clear exampe of unsubstantiated right wing garbage. Remember what Rove said, “never mind the issues, attack, attack, attack!
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 9:46 am
MN Independent and the so-called ‘factCheck’ declares “Bachmann Wrong”. How can they say this? No where does the article quote the correct figure, and even says it is not known.
The closest the article comes is the 50MM / day Bill Clinton to Alaska Cruise. That was a domestic trip and did not entail the added security costs involved in an unsafe part of the world. How many people were on that trip? It was not 3000. It did not involve 33 warships. Did Bill Clinton’s trip book an entire 5-star hotel? Did Bill Clinton’s trip use half as many aircraft?
In short, without a real figure, how do we know “Bachmann Wrong”. Is this a knee-jerk reaction, since the “MN so-called Independent” has a hatred and mean spirited bent against Michelle Bachman?
Whether Obama’s India trip costs more or less than Bill Clinton’s Alaska trip, Crawford TX is starting to sound better.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 9:55 am
Will Bachmann be staying at Motel 6 in DC?
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 10:08 am
The Clinton trip, as I state in the article, was to Asia, which is not a domestic destination, Steve B. Here’s the GAO report on Clinton’s travel (PDF), which indeed took him and his staff to “unsafe parts of the world”:
The estimated incremental costs of President Clinton’s trips to Africa, Chile, and China were at least $42.8 million, $10.5 million, and $18.8 million, respectively. The largest of these costs consisted of (1) operating expenses of the President’s aircraft and other military passenger and cargo aircraft; (2) travel expenses, including lodging for the travelers; and (3) telecommunications, vehicle, and other equipment rentals and procurement in the countries visited. These estimates exclude (1) Secret Service expenses, which are classified; (2) regular salaries and benefits of U.S. government civil and military travelers; and (3) agency planning expenses that may have been incurred in preparing to travel.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 10:09 am
Steve
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:47 am
Also, where were all these Republican Penny Pinchers, who seem so concerned with spending NOW, where were they when Bush wrote blank checks to destroy and attempt to build our 51st state in Iraq?? Bull crap they shovel now. He inherited a budget surplus and sent us into a spiral we are still trying to fix. WHERE WERE YOU THEN??? HUH? Now he has a cushy pension, and we have to fix his MORONIC mess.
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Thats pretty stupid on your part. You are really going to compare a military operation involving hundreds of thousands of troops to Obama’s flings in luxury in Asia?? Are you really going to regurgitate stupid left wing talking points by saying Bush wanted to build a 51st State in Iraq, when its been HUGELY successful?? Funny I didnt hear you complain about Clinton attacking Kosovo or Somalia. Or Kennedy going into Vietnam. Or Truman going into Korea….Or FDR getting us into WWII, or Wilson getting us into WWI. You didnt care about those Democrat President led military operations. Typical left wing idiocy. There is nothing to fix from Bush. Democrats had control of Congress since 2007…coincidentally, when this economy started going down. Check the unemployment rates with the minimum wage increases the Democrats love implementing.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VvxL8v6dK7s/S75JH4Q8E4I/AAAAAAAAAJc/xclQYZKLiQg/s1600/minwage1.jpg
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 10:18 am
With lies like that coming from a newly-re-elected congressperson, Minnesotans in the her congressional district should be wondering what her mendacity does to their individual and collective reputations, to be represented by someone who holds them in such low regard. Unless, that is, they REALLY ARE so abysmally stupid.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 10:36 am
to Dennis, “Jabuary 1st, tax rates will either go up dramatically “. First, if the tax cuts are allowed to expire the top rate will go from 36% to 39%, not what I call dramatic. Warren Buffet famously said that his secretary pays a higher rate than he does and that is just wrong. As the law stands right now the tax rates are scheduled to go up, Republicans are proposing to extend them. That change will reduce revenue, they cannot say anything to the Dems if they are not going to propose cuts to match.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 10:55 am
The point, Steve B, is that rather than even attempting to provide an inkling of a possible solution to one of the most significant challenges facing our great country, this “patriot” (remember when she accused members of the Congress of the United States of America of not being “pro American”??…of course , once again, she gave no names or evidence of any kind to support this) chose to attack her commander-in-chief rather than answer a damned question. Remember when anyone questioning George was immediately branded as disloyal and unpatriotic during a time of war by people like her? Idiots like Hannity and Limbaugh said this on a dayly basis. Where are they now as our soldiers die oversees? Apparently you show respect only for right wing presidents like George. This is complete hypocrisy. And the best she can do is quote something written by an unknown source in India???? She has a huge staff who could have checked to see if this was a wildly inflated inflated number. She had no interest in knowing whether or not it was or not. She just wanted to attack her president.
The fact that we don’t know exactly what is will cost (since it hasn’t happened yet), begs the entire question about the fact that the consensus among those who actually are privy to this sort of information flatly state that her statement was rediculous.
And Steve, did you see the latest quote from the great “patriot” Rove, out TODAY? It says that they must attack “Obamacare”. Nowhere does he mentiont that perhaps his cronies should be putting forth solutions to very complicated problems in this great country of ours!
And how can he possibly still be an influential person in this country? This “patriot” resorted to outing a lifelong CIA agent (remember Valerie?), because he and his fellow neocons didn’t like her husband’s conclusion regarding a link between Saddam and bin Laden. That was treason (did you see any of the hearings?).
We need solutions, not partisan attacks from the right. Rove himself has been quoted as saying, “never mind the issues (healthcare, Iraq, Soc Sec.), attack, attack, attack! We need better.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 11:16 am
Thats pretty stupid on your part. You are really going to compare a military operation involving hundreds of thousands of troops to Obama’s flings in luxury in Asia?? Are you really going to regurgitate stupid left wing talking points by saying Bush wanted to build a 51st State in Iraq, when its been HUGELY successful?? Funny I didnt hear you complain about Clinton attacking Kosovo or Somalia. Or Kennedy going into Vietnam. Or Truman going into Korea….Or FDR getting us into WWII, or Wilson getting us into WWI. You didnt care about those Democrat President led military operations. Typical left wing idiocy. There is nothing to fix from Bush. Democrats had control of Congress since 2007…coincidentally, when this economy started going down. Check the unemployment rates with the minimum wage increases the Democrats love implementing.
HUGELY SUCCESSFUL?…PLEASE EXPLAIN.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 11:23 am
Whoever stated that Iraq has been HUGELY SUCCESSFUL, please explain this.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 11:37 am
this is just gonna be never ending net picking no matter what the guy does its over spending since when has a president not gone over seas to other countries all I see is politics as usual with the other side whether it be dems or rep. bickering about the other side just to sway public opinion.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 12:02 pm
I am living in Bachman’s district. I am neither Republican or Democrat. But I have to agree with Kevin…we should all be embarrassed by this woman she constantly says things that are outright lies!!! She never gets her facts straight and never answers any questions that require a direct answer. I don’t understand why she keeps getting elected in this district???
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 12:10 pm
Two more years of reality-free accusations by Michele Bachmann as a member of Congress – blech!
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 12:55 pm
This is to all the folks who live in this district. Do you need to go back to school to improve your IQs? What life experiences and personal knowledge do you possess that allows you to re-elect such people?
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:12 pm
Paul, could you edit the comments of the impersonators to reflect their usual monikers? It looks like this adolescent behavior is not going to stop as long as they feel they can get away with it.
A simple (AKA ***) and a blank line up front would do.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:21 pm
I’d rather not modify the comments of others, but I’m not clear on who you’re referring to, Zera.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:34 pm
The majority of people will probably remember the $200M number, but not that the story was fabricated.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:51 pm
Maybe I am reading it wrong, but “Steve” @10:09am seems to be having an identity crisis.
I thought I saw a second example, which is what prompted me to ask, but after a second look I do not think that was the case.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 3:17 pm
“Steve” is right, if everyone would have just kept working for $5.15/hr we would have full employment. How can anyone complain about that?
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 5:20 pm
If everyone would have just kept working for $5.15/hr we would have full poverty. How can anyone complain about that?
Why do conservatives think that head count is the only meaningful factor? 70% of the economy is consumer-driven, and 95% of the consumers have been getting the short end of the paycheck for years, or watched their paychecks go overseas. They, and the economy, are being bled to death by conservative policies.
We need more that 4m new jobs just to make a dent in unemployment. In 8 YEARS of conservative policies under Bush43, only 3m net private sector jobs were created.
This conservative tsunami is going to drive up unemployment, the deficit, and restart the recession.
It will also kick the war on “unalienable Rights” and equal protection under law.
Won’t that be fun.
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 5:22 pm
Kick the war on “unalienable Rights” and equal protection under law into high gear.
Comment posted November 6, 2010 @ 6:14 am
You got to Wonder WHO is Honest and Who isn’t? its easy…
Where did all the Republican money come from..Big Business. so its no suprise that People Claiming OBAMACARE will cost 1 TRILLION..LIE
ACTUALLY the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) which BOTH PARTIES AGREE IS THE ONLY ACCURATE SOURCE CLAIMS ATLEAST A PROFIT of 1.5 Billion Dollars for UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!..
MOST ARE UNAWARE THE BAILOUT WILL PROFIT THE U.S. BILLIONS..and THE AUTO BAILOUT..IS PAID BACK AND CONSIDERED A HGE SUCCESS..
You don’t hear that at all..In fact you hear That Junk is only Spread on FOX NEWS..WELL guess what..FOX IS NOT COVERING THESE LIES? knowing darn well people check FOX to Dis-credit stories..This is WELL-Calculated..Like Obstruction..and Try GOOGLE and SEARCH “OBAMA TRIP TO INDIA..Millions of Dollars spent on FAKE websites that nearly convinced me that it was True…
AND ANDERSON DUD..A Classic Example of a POSTING RISK..Look at the Wording..IN FACT LOOK AT THE CNN SHOW THAT EXPOSED THE 200MILLION DOLLAR MYTH..IT IS OBVIOUS..WORD FOR WORD..THESE WERE SCRIPTED…ITS CRIMINAL..ITS..GERMAN in the 40′s…THINK NOT? AGAIN..Take a Surf around the entire Web…LOOK AT THE HEADLINES..EVEN THE MOST POSITIVE STORY (if COVERED) Is given a Negative HEADLINE…It is MASSIVE and OTHERS WHO DARE pay attention are floored that the GOP claims AMERICA SAID LOUD AND CLEAR?…Well So Far the GOP jhas only LIED and Yes the WARNING that Sends is VERY CLEAR..I PRAY it is LOUD ENOUGH…CHECK YOUR FACTS…!
-DON LINS
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Comment posted November 6, 2010 @ 6:56 am
Look, the bottom line here is our president should not be making a trip to India or anywhere else at this time. What’s the difference if the trip cost 200 million or 5 million. BUDGET CUTS? how about we start with the amount of money OUR president gets to spend on trips around the world. I know he has to be diplomatic, but lets get real. Between the president and the first lady and congress. How much money is going out the window on these trips? Fiscal responsibility! Let’s start here! They are ELECTED OFFICIALS not rock stars!
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Comment posted November 6, 2010 @ 1:02 pm
To those who ask “why is he even going there in the first place,” the answer is that it’s a trade mission in an attempt to open up India’s markets to more American goods. It’s an economic mission; it’s not a vacation. Yes, the entourage is probably pretty big versus a purely diplomatic mission. That’s because a lot of the folks will be doing actual work. Governments have conducted trade missions for thousands of years now. This isn’t new.
Comment posted November 6, 2010 @ 7:52 pm
Politics is a form of tribalism. I belong to tribe A conservative or liberal. Tribe B is a threat to my tribe (values money relegious beliefs). The other tribal members are given “horns” where as people from your tribe has halos. Things are said about the other tribe, and it reinforces my views therefore logic and critical thinking go the wayside to the drama and exileration of something that reinforces your views. Being a drama quenn is like a rush. Its like the rush of a football game watching the numbers come in from your tribe on election night.
Comment posted November 7, 2010 @ 12:53 am
Should not be making the trip??
“MARGARET WARNER: His itinerary takes him to four leading free market democracies of Asia: to Mumbai and New Delhi in India; Jakarta, Indonesia; Seoul, South Korea, for a G20 economic summit; and Yokohama, Japan, for the Asian-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum.
Along the way, he will meet with U.S. CEOs of companies seeking to expand their business in Asia. Notably, Mr. Obama will not stop in China, whose increasingly assertive economic and military posture worries its neighbors and the U.S. He visited there last year and will see Chinese President Hu at the G20 in Seoul.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/july-dec10/obamatrip_11-05.html
“US President Barack Obama has announced $10bn (£6.2bn) in new trade deals with India.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11703626
Sure, we could insult key trading partners and abandon our leadership position in the world because jobs, the economy, and national security are not as important as right-wing ideological talking points.
The Mad Hatters are sending the student council to Washington.
Comment posted November 7, 2010 @ 2:46 am
Helpful suggestion to Ms Bachman, if your missing your IQ and you forgot where you placed it, try looking downstairs in your rat infested basement….liar! …what if Jesus finds out?
Comment posted November 8, 2010 @ 1:56 am
People, Do not trust press trust of India. It is an inept Indian news agency which does not do any fact checking, is full of reporters who do not have a basic understanding of the issue they are covering, do not to do basic (say wikipedia) research to understand the topic they are covering. You have to see the PTI’s news reports that relate to the US – they cover a random US politician’s opinion ans suggest that the US is on the verge of making a law in that matter. Further, the actual cost is probably 200 Million Rupees which is about 5 Million USD – a more realistic figure. This has somehow been lost in translation. The press trust of India, if it has a shred of respectability, should come forward and clarify their report.
Comment posted November 8, 2010 @ 2:53 am
There is a saying in Minnesota I have heard often in my 35 years of living here, “The lights are on, but nobody’s home.” That would describe the residents of the 6th Congressional District to a tee who have voted for Michele Bachmann for the last 3 election cycles.
Comment posted November 8, 2010 @ 9:12 am
The sad thing about the Democraic Socialists is that they spent the first two years raming unwanted social programs that no one wanted, spending Trillions of dollars and printing money like it was nothing, AND NOW, WHEN IT IS TIME TO STOP A TAX INCREASE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS HORRENDOUS ECONOMY, NOW THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT PAYING FOR IT?
It is clear to all of us that social engineering is all they care about. The rest is a smoke screen. They want a Socialist/Marxist country and it is up to the people to stop them. Only part of the problem is Jobs. If the Socialists have their way, Jobs will be the least of our problems.
Comment posted November 8, 2010 @ 5:27 pm
Who said nobody wanted the programs the Democrats were promoting? 50% or more of the country did want them. More than 50% of the country voted for a President to put them in to place.
And I would be willing to bet most folks on this site won’t really have to worry about a tax hike…it only will effect people making over $250,000.
The Christian Taliban that is trying to take over the USA needs to tone it down…
Comment posted November 9, 2010 @ 11:40 pm
— Using inaccurate figure, Bachmann calls Obama’s India trip ‘massive overspending’
Suggesting that someone is wrong using leaked information from an Indian news source while not providing any budgeted line item number is the height of arrogance!
Any discussion about how inaccurate the figure is completely speculation. A leaked number from the nation where the President is visiting is the best number we have.
Western news agencies suggesting that Indians, whose nation is being visited and building out the infrastructure for the visit, did not leak accurate provided costs, is just racist. This is, after all, the same Administration who appointed a Supreme Court Justice who was a 6 year member of “The Race” and decided not to prosecute the racist Blank Panther member who harassed people of other races at the polls, so this accusation should come as no surprise. Seeing the same attitude from the Western “White” Press towards Indians is of no surprise.
If the American racists claim the cost is inaccurate, they should provide proof. The budget can be provided as proof, the same way costs were provided for former presidential trips from Clinton, Bush, G.W. Bush, etc.
There is no “national security” reason why this American President can’t mention the budget when foreign trips budgets for other Presidents were public. The fact the budget it not being provided, even after a huge backlash, lends more credence to the $200 million per day average leaked cost.
Things to think about…
- India security reimbursement (travel expenses, salaries, hazard pay, overtime, etc.)
- 3000 people accompanying the president (what are their salaries, housing, equipment, travel, etc.?)
- 500 security people accompanying the president (what are their salaries, housing, equipment, travel, etc.?)
- 34 war ships (Another number claimed to be inaccurate, but no opposing number is presented to sure their claim)
- An entire high-end hotel being leased (How much does every room cost to rent for the time prior and during the events?)
- Building & deconstructing a 1 mile air-conditioned bomb-proof tunnel with security cameras for the museum visit (how much will that be to bring the materials, construct it, deconstruct it, and fly it all back???)
- 6 armored cars and escorts (that transportation, housing, and fuel costs?)
- costs of terrorist secure storage for the massive amount of items being shipped to and from India
- 3 air-force one jet flights (to and from, has this leak been denied, too?)
- massive air lift operation of all required computers, security cameras, equipment, weapons, etc.
- costs of shutting down massive airports for the times required
- project management and clean-up operations for the months before and after the visit.
NEVER had a President visited such a high-profile terrorist strike location (Taj Motel) on foreign soil so close to neighboring nations with hostile terrorists (Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan) on such a publicized trip – so close to the time of the previous strike… at the very location which terrorists from a foreign nation successfully invaded!!!
NEVER has a Presidential visit required so many people to be secured.
You can bet CNN and factcheck.org are both far from the truth, using their estimates on previous Presidential trips, after the massive devaluation of the US$, and the extremely high energy costs now.
Just thinking about the former Clinton trip to China:
Indicating that the previously most expensive visit was also a Democratic American President (over a decade ago, before the massive inflation experienced in America) does not help the racist American administration & news media cases in the United States against the oppressed peoples on the Sub-Continent, who were accused of “making it up”. Let’s look at it objectively:
Gasoline costs in a town was $0.79 a gallon during the Clinton Administration (whose trip was cited by factcheck.org), today the fuel costs are to $2.69 at the same station. Wouldn’t that indicate inflation (at least for fuel costs, which is a huge factor in transportation costs) is 3.5x higher, making the $50 Billion US$ Clinton trip close to $150 Billion US$?
Of course, the security concerns are NOTHING in China like they are next to a war zone and at a location that was the site of a massive terrorist attack. The number of people going on the trip are VASTLY larger, not to mention the equipment that will need to be air-lifted in both directions.
Just thinking about Air Force One:
A simple Air-Force One flight, from Iowa to Chicago (without security) is over a quarter million US$
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-air-force-one-15-jun15,0,2483578.story
Let’s estimate the 3 Air Force One jets that were required, and only estimate air time. Liberal news reporters in the United States estimate almost $60K/hour to operate Air-Force One. (Oh yes, this includes numbers from 2004, when jet fuel was CHEAP in comparison to now, the cost is now about 2x higher, so this estimate is WAY under-cost!)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/05/30/air-force-one-costs-taxpa_n_21879.html
When calculating almost 21 hours from Washington-Reagan National DC to Mumbai IN – $60K x 21 hours x 2 (round trip) x 3 (planes) = $7.56 Million US$ for one item for 2 days.
If $7.56 Million US$ is for the President transportation over a secure ocean for 2 of the days is about half price, you can bet the security for orders of magnitude of greater numbers of people in an insecure location of millions of people for many more days than that will cost orders of magnitude more.
There will never be an exact number prior the trip (the trip and cleanup is not over even now.) Just saying the number is inaccurate is just stupid by the media.
No matter how you add up the numbers, the Indian leak looks more credible than the numbers the Western President Obama loving biased media is suggesting.
The U.S. Government suggests no number, but after $3,000,000,000,000 in deficit spending, the U.S. government hase no credibility with saying how much something is not, unless they come up with a hard number that can be verified.
Anyone who believes a straight denial from that government, without proof, after briefly thinking about it, are foolish. No wonder they voted for him after how he called for change and ran up huge deficits, with no end in site. There is no credibility in the American news media, for taking the side against the leak from India, unless there is some bias involved, whether political (which they have no opinion) or racial.
Comment posted November 10, 2010 @ 9:47 pm
Show me where the current President has traveled more than the previous, considering only non-campaigning trips.
You can’t without making something up.
Show me where each of the right-wing-morons posting above were similarly upset and complaining when the previous POTUS did it.
You can’t without making something up.
What a bunch of phony whiners.
Comment posted November 11, 2010 @ 8:00 pm
You want to cut costs? Try cutting the wages of the people in the administration and Congress. How about Half? Remember, when Wilson asked the American people to do income tax as a war effort for WWI, our parents and grandparents agreed. We were promised the tax would be dropped after the war was over. Dropped? Congress never gives it back once they get their mitts on that money. It just got bigger.
As for Soc. Sec., Johnson and a Demo congress took Soc. Sec. out of the trust fund and started using it for their pet projects. Pork? And how! Congress loves pork. Clinton asked for a line veto to try to cut pork.
When Obama promised change, did he tell the American people about the terms of his Obamacare? Absolutely not! Madame Pelosi urged the people to agree, and then they could tell us. You know, that is exactly what she said. Pass it, so we can tell you. That is buying a pig in a poke. That was after Obama was elected–not before.
When the American people found out what was in that health care package, we said no, but the government did not listen. I have used the internet to remind people of this, BUT I do not belong to the “tea” party.
Be very careful of your insults and rotten language. I think this website needs to clean up your acts!
Are you ready to pay 1% on every transaction you make at any bank, credit union or store? Think that over carefully. The administration claims it will do away with income tax. Really? Remember, Congress never gives up their grasp on the money–neither party does.
Amnesty? Can you afford to support ALL of those illegals whether on the dole or taking American jobs? Have you a loved one on medicare and Soc. Sec.? Are you aware they are cutting back on kidney dialysis, MRI and other vital treatments–especially for the elderly? Reid said we older people had to bite the bullet. Well take away the President’s and his family’s golden parachute and the ones Congress voted for themselves and make them use the same health care the rest of us will have to use. And no more fancy pensions. Make them get by on Soc. Sec. We did not vote to give them such plush retirement plans. THEY did that. great grandmairis
Comment posted November 13, 2010 @ 5:51 am
Now that the trip is over and the claims have been proven to be a total lie, and entirely refuted by both the DoD, White House, and Factcheck.org, the question is should Michele Bachmann be prosecuted for slander?
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