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Bachmann’s payroll jumped 16 percent in 2009

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By Andy Birkey | 12.20.10

Rep. Michele Bachmann has been outspoken in her assertion that federal employees make double the salary of those in the private sector, but the Associated Press noted on Monday that Bachmann has increased her own payroll 16 percent between 2007 and 2009. She has called for a freeze on federal employee salaries, but the Minnesota Independent took a look at her own office and found that her employees enjoy frequent raises. But despite those increases, Bachmann has the lowest congressional payroll in the Minnesota delegation after freshman Rep. Erik Paulsen.

Anti-gay bullying continues to be a contentious issue in Anoka-Hennepin School District

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By Andy Birkey | 12.16.10

Monday night’s meeting of the Anoka-Hennepin School Board was a contentious one as the issue of bullying and suicide in the district again came up. The state’s largest school district opened an investigation into the suicides of nine students over the past year — some by students who were allegedly bullied for their sexual orientation — and said that it found no evidence that any of the nine were bullied. Students and parents criticized the district for its statement — at times the conversation devolved to shouting — while district officials said there’s not much they can do if students and parents don’t report incidents to the schools.

Reproductive rights groups anticipate tough legislative session

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By Andy Birkey | 12.16.10

Advocates for reproductive rights are concerned that new socially conservative leadership in the Minnesota Legislature could curtail those rights in the upcoming biennium. While Republicans, who’ll control both houses, say that jobs and the economy will come first, there’s little doubt that they’ll also press for restrictions on abortion within the next two years — especially with Sen. Michele Fischbach as President of the Senate. Fischbach’s husband, Scott, is the executive director of Minnesota’s largest anti-abortion group, Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life.

Bachmann, Pawlenty throw support behind ‘hate groups’

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By Andy Birkey | 12.15.10

Rep. Michele Bachmann and Gov. Tim Pawlenty have thrown their support behind the Family Research Council and other groups that the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated as anti-gay hate groups. In an open letter, Bachmann, Pawlenty and several other Republican elected officials say the SPLC has “targeted FRC and other organizations that uphold Judeo-Christian moral views, including marriage as the union of a man and a woman.” But the SPLC’s report, released last month does not target groups that oppose gay marriage or uphold Christian values; rather it lists groups that make “claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities” and “repeated, groundless name-calling.”


Meet David Barton, Bachmann’s Constitution class teacher

Controversial pastor has pushed for laws against homosexuality, suggested God condemns illegal immigration
By Andy Birkey | 11.16.10 | 9:27 am

Rep. Michele Bachmann announced last month that she wants to hold “Constitution classes” for new members of Congress in the hopes of preventing them from being “co-opted into the Washington system.” She’s already announced several people she wants to teach the classes, including David Barton, a controversial figure whose ideas about the Constitution and the founding fathers have drawn sharp criticism from both the religious and secular communities.

“Every week the hour before we take our first votes, we have our weekly class so that we are reminded of our constitutional jurisdictional limits,” Bachmann told Glenn Beck in a recent radio interview. She mentioned Barton as a key figure in those weekly classes.

Bachmann and Barton have a long relationship going back to Bachmann’s time as state senator. Barton was invited to Minnesota to help Bachmann with legislation on school history standards, she’s appeared his radio show numerous times, and she and Barton have conducted tours in Washington, D.C., to demonstrate to tea partiers how religious the Founding Fathers were.

But Barton, who has said the idea of separation of church and state is a myth, has garnered his fair share of controversy. He has suggested the federal government should regulate homosexuality, and his association with reported anti-Semitic groups prompted the Anti-Defamation League to condemn him earlier this year. In the 1990s, he spoke to the Christian Identity Movement, a group that “asserts that Jews are ‘the synagogue of Satan’; that Blacks and other people of color are subhuman; and that northern European whites and their American descendants are the ‘chosen people’ of scriptural prophesy.”

He has called holding congressional sessions on Sunday unconstitutional and he has stated that United States borders were drawn by God.

“God’s the one who drew up the lines for the nations, so to say open borders is to say, ‘God, you goofed it all up and when you had borders, you shouldn’t have done it,’” he said recently on his radio program. “And so, from a Christian standpoint, you cannot do that. God’s the one who establishes the boundaries of nations.”

His point: God condemns illegal immigration.

Barton has come under intense criticism for what many have called revisionist history and using unverified quotes from the nation’s founders to promote the idea that the U.S. Constitution calls for America to be a Christian nation.

The Baptist General Association of Virginia passed a resolution last week saying in part, “Whereas, the Baptist principles of religious liberty and its safeguard, separation of church and state (or government neutrality toward all religions and nonreligion), are well grounded in this nation’s history.”

The group singled out the work of David Barton in its resolution, calling him inaccurate and urging it’s members not to read his work.

Evangelical Christian filmmaker Chris Pinto released a film in October debunking many of Barton’s assertions about America being founded as a Christian nation.

“The reason that men like David Barton want to take the founders and go into churches and try and convince you that these guys were Christians is because they want you to become entangled in the politics of this world,” Pinto told Christianity Today last week.

Here’s Pinto taking on Barton’s claims:

Bachmann and Barton have given guided tours of the U.S. Capitol to show “the foundational role God has played throughout American history” for tea partiers. The duo have worked together for many years.

Barton came to Minnesota in 2005 to help Bachmann shape the state’s “history standards.” Bachmann wanted to make sure that references to religion in historical documents were taught in Minnesota’s public schools. Barton came to the Minnesota Senate to give a presentation at Bachmann’s invitation.

In a 2008 interview with Barton, Bachmann said, “It’s important for your listeners to know that there are strong, believing members of Congress who get it about our nation’s heritage and we love and appreciate David Barton.”

She added, “I’ve probably been on four of his Spiritual Heritage tours at the Capitol, and the staff knows, whenever David’s going to be in town doing one, if I can get over there, I want to go because I learn something new every time I’m going through one of his tours. He’s a treasure for our nation.”

Kyle Mantyla, senior fellow with People For the American Way, has been tracking Barton’s career — and the criticism he’s generated from both the right and left.

“That Rep. Bachmann would possibly tap someone like David Barton to teach this class is in no way surprising, since Bachmann clearly has no desire to gain a true understanding of the Constitution and is looking instead for an opportunity to pass off right-wing propaganda as scholarship,” Mantyla told the Minnesota Independent. “As such Barton is the perfect teacher for her effort. In fact, only Bachmann would consider having a class on the Constitution taught by a man whose academic credentials consist entirely of a B.A. from Oral Roberts University and an Honorary Doctorate of Letters from Pensacola Christian College.’”

Mantyla points to a PFAW report on Barton that includes criticism from several important sources. Barton’s work has been unfavorably criticized by the Institute of Church-State Studies at Baylor University, History professor Richard Pierard of Indiana State University, the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and the Texas Freedom Network.

Former Republican Senator Arlen Specter wrote in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy that Barton’s “pseudoscholarship would hardly be worth discussing, let alone disproving, were it not for the fact that it is taken so very seriously by so many people.”

The classes will be a part of the new Constitutional Conservative Caucus that Bachmann intends to start. It would be separate from the Tea Party Caucus that she founded in the U.S. House earlier this year.

“Scholars such as David Barton, members of the media who cherish [the founding] principles such as [Fox News host] Sean Hannity, honorable commentators such as Judge [Andrew] Napolitano, honorable judges and justices, and leading legal minds will and have been invited to speak,” Brooke Bialke, Bachmann’s deputy chief of staff, told AOL News. “Topics ranging from the commerce clause to the intersection of constitutional principles with daily concerns such as Medicare will be covered.”


Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

Michelle Bachmann is associating with an unsavory rightwing lunatic. What a surprise.

Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

And the theocratic tentacles sink deeper. Soon, we are going to be a Christian version of Iran where the three branches of government need over sight by religious “experts,” I mean “constitutional teachers.” Thanks a lot Oral Roberts.

keith kuckler
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

lSurprise, surprise, who does not think she is a nutcase? Remember, this is the worman who lurked in the shrubery at a gay rights rally at the state capitol. I grew up in rural Stillwater, and, went to high school there, and, i am amazed that she can represent that district, i thought those folks were a whole lot smarter than that.

Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

Meet Michele Bachmann…..The woman who hates America and all it stands for.

Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

According to a blog report, Michele Bachmann has offered a compromise on tax cuts ….. she’ll blink on the tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% ……. so long as we don’t extend unemployment benefits.

Doesn’t Mrs. Bachmann claim to be Christian? That is what Jesus would do, cut unemployment benefits to desperate families? Force more families into foreclosure and bankruptcy?

Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:00 pm

“Doesn’t Mrs. Bachmann claim to be Christian? That is what Jesus would do, cut unemployment benefits to desperate families? Force more families into foreclosure and bankruptcy?”

Jesus never once advocated for a government program to help the needy. He believed that was YOUR job.

Bruce Wilson
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:33 pm

Yes, David Barton’s most notable attribute is his serial, long-term falsification of American history. But Chris Pinto isn’t the only one to note this. Chris Rodda has been documenting it for years now.


Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:55 pm

What does Bachmann think she accomplishing by her teajhad? Incorporation of the Missouri synod Lutheran church doctrine into Congressional act? Maybe enacting the Ten Commandments into an Act of Congress? Stoning of adulterous women? Or maybe an Act of Congress requiring schools to teach God’s involvement in the drawing boundaries to the United States? I wonder if Barton sees God’s hand in the genocide of Native Americans? In the Institution of slavery? In the invasion of the Phillipines and the massacre of thousands there?

Zera Lee
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:22 pm

So begins the religious indoctrination of the Tea Party, and the continued subversion of the Constitution by religious extremists.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 8:15 am

The funny thing is, most of the Teahadists also think they are Randian’s. Rand said explicitly that faith short circuits knowledge and reason is the only way to knowledge. These guys take the bits and pieces of teh Bible, Constitution, and Ayn Rand that Glen Beck feeds them. Jesus is incompatible with their Teahadist mission.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 8:25 am

Dennis, we must have read different bibles. I don’t remember Jesus’ “you’re on yer own” sermon. I thought he was all about helping one another, and especially about helping the least among us. Apparently there are two Jesus’, just like there seems to be two constitutions and two versions of American history.

I never thought I’d live to see the day where if you can’t accetpt reality, you can join a church or follow an elected leader that will gladly make up a reality that is more palatable to you and your particular prejudices.

steve wilson
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 9:38 am

Help is one thing Jesus was all about. When I am in dire straits, I ask HIM for help. This is what the country use to do. This country as a whole has replaced God with government. When we are in trouble, we ask gvt, whether it might be financial or something else, we ask gvt. The Word says I will never leave you or nor forsake you. God has not foresaken us, we have foresaken him.

Help if you choose, just with your own money. I donate around 15% of my income to the needy. It is my choice. If gvt was doing what it was supposed to do, the taxes would be lower and we would have plenty of money to help the needy.

Paul Schmelzer
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 9:55 am

Dennis. You know the rules. Post under a false ID one more time, and your IP address will be banned. Comment deleted.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 11:24 am

@RustyCannon – The ‘you’re on yer own’ sermon is all over the bible. Jesus told us to trust in God as our provider and our protector. Only He is capable of providing for us. Trusting anything else (like a BIG government to steal money and property from others or putting faith is humanity with the notion that we are our own gods) is not going to lead to prosperity.

Jesus said IF you follow my commands, I will bless your land. We need to go back to following his commands before we can expect a blessing.

David Barton is one of the greatest historical scholars of this century. Ok, so he glosses over the pagan gods on some of the government buildings, but 99% of his research clearly points to the fact that our nation was founded by Christian with the ideas of Christianity, which are responsible for our nation becoming the greatest nation in the history of the world.

To think anything less, is to completely ignore the facts in order to help establish an argument for a theocracy of self-centered humanism. But humanism religion that many of you are convinced needs to be establish within our government and schools, is not the answer – but the source of our problems.

Self-centered humanism has no solutions for any of our social problem, while a return to a culture of Christianity can and will – as proven by history.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 11:41 am

@Zera Lee – You are the ‘religious extremists’ that is trying to promote your religion of humanism so that you can gain the power to discriminate against the freedom of religion and speech, imposing your ideas of self-centered socialism and communism.

The culture of Christianity that you fight against is the only way to maintain our nation’s freedoms. The influence of Christianity in government leaders is the solution because they believe in protecting our freedoms – including your freedom to choose to believe in the religion of humanism and worship yourself as god. But those freedoms are not supported by the influence of humanism in government leaders and therefore if you win, we all lose including everyone that does not share your religion beliefs.

Your primary weapon is the same weapon used to lead humanity into sin, deception. If you can discredit Christian leaders and fool enough of the public, you can gain the votes to elect humanism leaders to establish a theocracy based on the religion of humanism. If you win – the nation will be destroyed.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 11:44 am

Founder Thomas Jefferson on the Principle of Progressive Taxation:
“A means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right.” Thomas Jefferson, 1785

Thomas Butler
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 11:54 am

poor Dennis – so mis-understood – he has to manufacture support for his arguments.

The thing about Tim and Dennis and the other non-christian christians that frequently pervert Christ’s message in his name, is that they would have been the first and loudest to shout, “Free Barrabas”.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 11:55 am

Maybe she should start with remedial English and work her way up from there.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 12:04 pm

“I donate around 15% of my income to the needy.”
Do you go out and find needy individuals and give them the money or do you donate through your church or a food bank, etc? An organization is often the most efficient way of reaching people in need. Sometimes the government is that organization. The government is as good and just as the people who we choose. What I see on the right are people who proclaim their faith at every opportunity and behave as though they are gods. They worship money and power. They care not for their brothers. If humanism means worshiping ourselves as god , is it not humanism to set yourself above others who are have less than you? Is it not humanism to expect them to be their own salvation by saving themselves? Jesus fed people, healed people, and stopped the stoning of Mary Madgelene – he didn’t say she made bad choices – too bad for her.

Edd Doerr
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 12:48 pm

Both Bachmann and Barton are deeply disturbed personalities. But what is worse is that they recsive so much attention from Faux News and others on the extreme right. These people would be funny it they were not so damgerous.

John in 6th district
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 1:32 pm

“If govt was doing what it was supposed to do, the taxes would be lower and we would have plenty of money to help the needy”.

Um…so if we didn’t have government, who would pay for the roads that we use? Who would pay for the schools that rich AND poor kids can attend and improve their lives with?

I find it completely disgusting when people like you smack down on government and having to pay taxes. But when you need help, you’re the first one with your hand out.

Freedom isn’t free: if you want to live in a civilized society, you have to pay for it!

Back to topic: Barton is NOT a constitutional scholar. If all his “documents” were so genuine, they should be available for the public to see. He picks and chooses little bits here and there and puts them up on a screen for 5 seconds. But you don’t get to see the entire thing, you don’t get to read the WHOLE context of the document. And who knows if it’s even real? He won’t let anyone near them. What an ass.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 1:37 pm

@Thomas Butler – Are you making a claim that you are a Christian? That you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, as claimed by scripture and have you given your life to Jesus Christ?

Christ’s message is about His kingdom and His plan to defeat His enemies, by the blood of the Lamb and the testimony of His believers. Rev 12:11.

Thomas Butler
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

LOL – No Tim – I am saying that just because you can spout scripture does not make you one.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 4:23 pm

If you whacked him on the head with all the parts that he leaves out, there would be no less damage than the full volume.

Not suggesting anyone do that, just sayin.’

I understand there is software that helps Official Religious Blowhards find relevant Buybull quotes by subject, to make it easier for them to come up with snappy one liners to support the desired line of argument.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

“If you can discredit Christian leaders and fool enough of the public…”

Christian leaders do a great job of doing that all by themselves, if there are people like Mr. Birkey to faithfully (!) report their words and their actions.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 4:46 pm


You wrote, “The culture of Christianity that you fight against is the only way to maintain our nation’s freedoms.”

There’s no such thing as a “culture of Christianity.” Christianity is very diverse in this country. Its approaches to questions of scripture, theology, values and beliefs are widely divergent and defy the monolithic uniformity you appear to want to pass off as reality.

What represents the “true” Christianity?

Is it those Christians who believe Jesus was himself a sinner, or those who think he was without sin?

Is it the pro-choice Christians or the ones opposed to abortion?

Are the true Christians the ones who support gay marriage or the ones in opposition?

Does “true Christianity” view scriptures as allegories and inspiring fictions, or as the inerrant word of the Christian god?

Is the Pope’s religious teaching infallible or is no one infallible?

Which is it Tim? And why should anyone take your word for it?

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 5:02 pm


Well put.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

@Thomas Butler – Your conversion is imminent and each day you wait is lost. The freedom you seek can only be found in Jesus Christ. “It was for freedom that Christ has set us free. …” – Galatians 5:1

But if you don’t profess to believe in the message of Jesus Christ, then how can you suggest that others “pervert Christ’s message in his name”?

It sounds like you are trying to get Christians to side with you, even though you hate them and their God. Why would any Christian agree with a God-hating morality and religion?

No Christian in their right mind would agree to help discriminate against Christianity or to help promote leaders that are enemies of Jesus Christ.

And the Christians that do are either not Christians or they have been deceived. How could they be for their own destruction – unless they were deceived into joining a cause that they didn’t realize was against the kingdom of Jesus Christ?

This is a great deception of our age. Perhaps the greatest deception leading up to the return of Jesus Christ will be tricking people into believing they are fighting for something other than against the kingdom of Jesus Christ. “ … that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray… “ Revelation 12:9

Thomas Butler
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 5:23 pm

Tim – I’m thinking your halo is on just a bit too tight or you are not really as secure in your Christianity as you profess to be and you are worried about being left behind.

Really well put Eric – and this is why Tim addressed me and my snarky little comments rather than dealing with your logic – he can’t.

Again, Tim – lots of people can play the notes – that doesn’t make them musicians.
It’s practice.

Dumping the holier-than-thou attitude might help.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 6:04 pm

Here is an Idea you Christian A$$holes! Read the FIRST sentence of the FIRST AMENDMENT!! When you get involved in politics PLEASE keep your Fairy Tales to yourself and do the work of the PEOPLE!! That is your F*cking Job!! If I want a Retarded Preacher I’ll go to one of your Retarded churches!

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 6:49 pm

Amen @ Marcus – time to get their fairytales out of our reality. Christian charity has worked well so far – hasn’t it? HMWJK (How Many Would Jesus Kill)

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 9:41 pm

Tim appears to consider himself God, for he knows what is in the heart of others just by the few lines they write on an internet post. He judges them. He knows they are not Christian. He knows they hate Christians. He can identify the enemies of Christ.
Talk about self-centered!!!

Cordellia Harrison
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 9:48 pm

Wow! What a discussion. I love the religious side debate. I believe that the bible must be taken in context for the times for which it was written, but also as a Christian believer I also understand there were many stories left out of it that would be relevant to this debate. Remember we all use it for our own purposes and truths.

I would like to comment on the original topic. I never knew who Bachmann was until her totally misguided interview on AC360; then I You tubed some of her less sane moments. What a character. Hopefully there will not be many who take her up on her constitutional classes.
Good luck to you all from Denver looks like Minnesota is going to need lots of prayers through Bachmannn’s next term.

Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 10:52 pm


“David Barton is one of the greatest historical scholars of this century. Ok, so he glosses over the pagan gods on some of the government buildings, but 99% of his research clearly points to the fact that our nation was founded by Christian with the ideas of Christianity, which are responsible for our nation becoming the greatest nation in the history of the world.”

David Barton makes up quotes from the “founding fathers”. There is page on his own website about the fake quotes he’s used. Barton is NOT a trained historian. He’s a political hack who has no shame in spreading lies.

Check the link to HIS own website:

Barton is fraud.

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 12:16 am

If you are interested in learning from a real scholar, instead of a phony like Barton, look up the work of Dr. Gregg Frazer. You can find recordings of some of his presentations online at http://www.masters.edu/pulpit/speakers/Dr-Gregg-Frazer

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Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 10:57 am

@Scott –

Thank you for sharing the link to David Barton website, where he explains his use of quotes from the “founding fathers”.

This shows how much of a scholar David Barton is, as he tells how some of these quotes are unconfirmed, yet have been recorded in numerous books and legal documents.

The article says:

“In our research, we have not previously used a quote that was not documented to a source in a manner that would be acceptable in a scholarly work or a university text”

“we unilaterally initiated within our own works a standard of documentation that would exceed the academic standard and instead would conform to the superior legal standard “

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 11:05 am

@Thomas Butler – LOL – regarding my halo being too tight, being ‘left behind’ and Dave’s suggesting that I’m using software to help me come up with one liner bible references. If only it was that easy to know the scriptures and understand the age we are in.

Eric wants to know “What represents the “true” Christianity”

Pat wants to know how I “can identify the enemies of Christ”

I think you guys are really starting to enjoy my company on this blog and I cannot wait to answer these questions when I find the time.

My question is when is Andy going to add me to the payroll or give me my own column?

Thomas Butler
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 11:19 am

Tim – the bible says it best – Proverbs 8:13 and 16:18

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 11:49 am

Barton was forced to put that on his website as he was caught with the made up quotes in his books. He’s still a hack.

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 2:53 pm

You guys are STILL quoting the Bible?? Lol plus Lol.. I would like to quote a REAL human being named Karl Marx…………… ” History repeats itself…. First as a Tragedy Second as a Farce………………….. Good job Sixth District.. We have a Congress IN AMERICA that is Chock full of Christio – Terrorist, like Michele Bachmann .. I hope the sixth doesn’t mind becoming the worlds LARGEST TRAILER PARK..

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

Hello all

For a true constitutional hero check out this guy, Louis Freeland Post….A true American.


That is just to get you started, please do some of your own investigating.

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 4:07 pm

@Marcus – I knew there were wolfs in the liberal camp, but I didn’t know you were a Marx’s. You do realize that communism has failed every time? I guess that explains support for Obama.

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

Yo Tim !! There are SEVERAL quotes in History that support labor..

“The source of all CAPITOL is LABOUR!!…. ” Abraham Lincoln”
I support the Unions , The Teachers and the Manufacturers .. ” Dwight D Eisenhower” (Repulican)
If you give me a tree branch I can fashion an axe handle…” Washington”

I KNOW that you Neo Christian Nut BALLS ONLY support Communist Chinese Labor.. Why??? You are a F*cking Traitor..

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 8:36 pm

Another expansion of government agencies?

Hypocrits as they rail against expanding government. I suppose no one will hold these people to the campaign promises as they are all hypocrits! The entire party are hypocrits if they remain quiet!

Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

How is this legal to use taxpayers funds to pay this guy to teach this crap in the countries legislative houses? Where are the attorneys and why are they not all over this? Bachmann is sneaking religious into government right under our eyes and no one speaks out? teaching religion cannot happen under the guise of the Constitution!

Comment posted November 19, 2010 @ 9:47 am

A couple of weeks and they will have the whole Republican freshman class brainwashed.

Comment posted November 20, 2010 @ 12:24 pm

There was a Religious Right candidate for county school board who frequently guested on a local Christian radio show. He is also known for his “America is a Christian nation” campaign.

The host attempted to admit that Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian, due to his literal cutting out of verses which indicated Jesus’ divinity and miracles. The guest corrected, saying Jefferson did that to assemble the verses into a manuscript which Lewis&Clark would use to evangelize the natives they would encounter on their expedition. Jaw dropping!

Weeks later, I phoned the candidate, asking questions which might reveal an intent to “christianize” policy and curricula. His answers were connivingly ambiguous, the only commitment being “what’s best for the students”.

I reminded him of his radio appearance, asking if he recalled his comment about Jefferson; after some hesitation, he did. He would take no further questions after revealing where he got that bit of information: David Barton.

Zera Lee
Comment posted November 20, 2010 @ 6:37 pm

“The ‘you’re on yer own’ sermon is all over the bible. Jesus told us to trust in God as our provider and our protector. Only He is capable of providing for us.”

Sorry, Tim, that’s not “you’re on you’re own”, it’s pure socialism as defined by conservatives.
Get a dictionary. You do not seem to use the same definitions as the rest of us.
The absence of religious doctrine is not a religious doctrine. The imposition of a single religious belief system is not freedom of religion. The truth is not a deception. And the current brand of activist Christian leaders do not protect the rights of anyone, they only protect their own prejudices.

Comment posted November 22, 2010 @ 11:56 am

@Randy, Bachmann IS an unsavory lunatic.

Message for Barton: God condemns illegal immigration? We ARE the illegal immigrants you nimrod! Ask any Native people!

Evelyn Kaye
Comment posted November 22, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

TERRORIST ALERT : Christian ministers are cursing the country and individuals , even from their pulpits . According to The News testament – Holy Bible in the book of Mark chapter eleven , they will succeed if they just speak it and believe it . Jesus personally taught his disciples how and killed a fig tree to show them how it works , drying it up from the roots . Today America is under their own brand of middle eastern terrorism and Taliban . It is called charitable religious organizations , and they even enjoy tax exemption . However , the leading political leaders who could put a stop to this say their one objective and priority is to stop other leaders from getting into office , and this is their priority ? Have they forgotten their own children ?

Comment posted November 22, 2010 @ 2:10 pm

@Zera Lee – You’re completely wrong, even if you’re sincere.

There is no such thing as the ‘absence of religion’ because of the existence of God. Even the Devil does not deny the existence of God, but instead plans for a global religious leader at the end of this age. (read Rev.)

Jesus said it clearly, “..Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. ” – Matthew 12:30. There is no such thing as a neutral position with regard to your worldview. You are either for or against the kingdom of Jesus Christ. And the religion of humanism is clearly against the kingdom of Jesus Christ. The religion of humanism has more religious doctrine than Christianity.

The truth is hidden from you by your own disbelief that clouds your mind, even as your own creation and intelligent design testifies to you daily of the awesomeness of God. The culture of Christianity is the only religion in the world that allows for the freedom of religion. If the religion of humanism were to gain control of the US, it would surely put an end to the freedom of religion and lead to complete destruction.

Justice is not ours to give, but Jesus Christ’s. Christians are not justified because they say they are, but because God says they are justified by believing in His one and only Son.

“Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.” – Romans 5:1

The religion of humanism is not at peace with God, but at war with God. Joining it puts you at war with God. This is the greatest deception of this age. Deceiving people into fighting against the kingdom of God, by telling them they are just taking a ‘neutral’ position.

God does not provide justification for this excuse. “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.” – John 3:36

Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

People like Tim help me understand why I have largely left Christianity behind.

Comment posted November 24, 2010 @ 11:42 am

@Tim – “theocracy of humanism?” Your argument is so stupidly circular, it’s a small wonder that you support raging idiotic bigots like this nutcase. Tell you what – I’ll have Zeus hurl a thunderbolt toward you and Glenn Beck, and you have your god smite me. Other than that – you have ZERO moral standing, and you are irrelevant. If your god is so powerful, he wouldn’t need a bunch of half-wits trying to intepret him. So bring on the mythological “wrath.” If it works, I’ll let you know. In the meantime, quoting uninspired fourth-hand translation of a book of fables as if they impart you with any expertise in governing or social interaction indicates that you may need medication.

Comment posted November 24, 2010 @ 2:11 pm


“The religion of humanism is not at peace with God, but at war with God.”

Sorry but it’s impossible to be at war with an imaginary being. I find “Voldemort” much more real than any “god”.

“Joining it puts you at war with God. This is the greatest deception of this age. Deceiving people into fighting against the kingdom of God, by telling them they are just taking a ‘neutral’ position.’

And that paragraph is just gibberish. Religious point of view does make a difference. David Barton’s is homophoic, misogynistic and anti-science. All of which are good reasons not to listen to a thing he says.

Comment posted November 24, 2010 @ 6:01 pm

Most people would prefer to study the Constitution under a Constitutional law scholar. Doesn’t that sort of, ah, make sense? Who cares what this Barton fool thinks? This seems to be indicative of what’s wrong in American today: a mass movement away from quality and into trash.

Comment posted December 1, 2010 @ 5:30 am

David Barton’s only academic honor is his BA in Religious Education from Oral Roberts University. He has no degree in history or Constitution Law. What he does have is a Christian Reformation/Dominionist view of history and Constitutional interpretation.

Barton has been called down for his ‘liberal’ (ie. made up) use of quotes. When he got caught he had to admit he had never found sources for his ‘quotes’, but it shouldn’t matter because the statements were ‘completely consistent’ with the views held by the founders he was quoting.

I took con law from probably the most conservative professor in my law school…. and when he was presented with Barton’s findings he was totally stunned at the misinformation he was trying to pass off as actual historical research.

We need to return to educating our public by actually presenting then with these important documents like the Constitution and the Declaration then teaching them the reading skills needed to actually read them for themselves and not getting their meaning from 20 second sound bites.

It really is sad that our public is so ignorant about what the documents that founded our country really say, and it is even sadder that they accept dogma from a talking head and his pet revisionist instead of figuring it out themselves.

Comment posted December 9, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

Anyone the left sees as a threat, they call him a “lunatic.” Brilliant discourse! Most people are totally clueless about the what the founding fathers really believed and wished for our nation. Most do not have a clue what is really in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and do not really want to know because it would “blow up” their progressive agenda for our nation.

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