With help from Pat Robertson, Bachmann and Kline file brief to repeal health care reform

Good start! The “Constitution classes” with David Barton will be enlightening and beneficial for old and new members. Nothing can compare to studying the original documents. I look forward to the success of our founding intentions of government.

Dear Refound,
I would advise you to read the constitution first. Good luck. Funny how you all “understand” the constitution better than constitutional law professors, and even the supreme court. One would even suspect you think you understand the founders intent better than the founders did themselves. Even to think they were of one, monolithic thought shows your ignorance. One thing the founders were ever, ever so clear about and unanimous is that God, Jesus, the creator, etc. should never, ever appear in the constitution. That’s a private matter, not a governmental one. Their belief in the separation of church and state is the one place they were of one, monolithic thought.
Alec

Making sure people don’t have health coverage…….great Christian value!

Jerry,
If god wanted the poor to survive cancer he would have given them money.

They are known by the company they keep. Pat Robertson is one of the biggest charlatans in a field packed full of them.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Will people without HI be denied medical care in the case of emergency? Or, will the rest of us pick up the tab? Methinks the later.

Eric B,
So if someone is working full time and can’t afford health insurance they are just lazy and deserve to die? We have a system where private health insurance will deny chemo if you cannot afford the after care drugs. These are people with insurance. It’s great that you are so lucky Eric, but hard working human beings shouldn’t die just because they work their butts off at low paying, low benefit jobs. You have the nerve to talk about personal responsibility as if anyone who can’t afford health care is lazy. Can you get treatment for cancer or diabetes or whatever in the emergency room? Can you get preventative care in the emergency room?

We have the highest infant mortality rate in the modern world because of people like you who think health care is only for those blessed with money. Our babies die directly because of poor access to health care by mothers.

Jesus never wanted the people to be taken care of by government. He wanted the people to take care of other people. Godless leftists don’t know the difference.

Not that any of you would ever volunteer or anything, but if you ever spent time helping out at a food shelf or Second Harvest or a volunteer clinic you’d discover that the volunteers are from church groups. I’ve never run into a government bureaucrat down there. hmmm.

And Alec, you’ll be right about religion being a private matter and not a governmental one when the birthday of my Lord Jesus Christ is not a national holiday, proclaimed by the U.S. government as so important that you don’t even have to show up for work.

Name another religious figure who’s birthday is a national holiday.

Regarding “volunteers from church groups at a volunteer clinic,” I don’t know that I’d trust them to do colonoscopies (even as many Catholic priests and anti-gay but oh-so-anally-fixated “God’s Gentle People” from so-called family groups would leap at such opportunities) much less open-heart surgery. Sheesh!

I also recall that through elected representatives, our government is “of the people, by the people and for the people.”

As for December 25, to me, that day is but a delayed celebration of Winter Solstice best spent with close friends while enjoying good food, drink and cheer knowing that the days are getting longer again. And I don’t exchange presents, either.

Leave it to these Christian Nutballs to alight themselves with Pat Robertson.. This guy used his Tax Exempt status to smuggle Blood Diamonds out of Africa to help build his religious empire.. If the heart of Satan beats it beats in Pat Robertsons chest cavity..

Oh my word. There is no way my great-great-great Grandfather, John Adams, would want anyone associated with Michelle Bachman attempting to teach ‘constitution’ classes. If anyone mis-represents what the Consititution stands for and what it says – it is Michelle Bachman. John Adams stated emphatically when assisting writing the Constitution, a government of We the Peope, For the People and By the People. Michelle Bachman states the exact opposite – her motto is anything for big business, for the rich and wealthy and anything for the political party. What really amazes me is that her mantra of no taxes also goes against the prinicipals of the Consitititution…nowhere in the Constitution does it state we are to be without taxes, NO it states We the People are not to be taxed WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..in Michelle Bachman’s case and the case of Klien We the People are being taxed without representation because they are too busy paying back the political favors they amassed during their re-election bids.

It is my opinion that Eric B really does not have a clue about the reality of life. Wait until all his perks are taken away from him when he gains a few years. Perks that were won for him by people who have gone before him and pushed for fair labor for the working persons of this country. Unthinking comments such as that will come around to bite the arrogant person right in the behind.

Alec, I can very emphatically disagree with your statements. My forefather, John Adams, did in fact place God in the Constitution. What IS stated in that Constitution is that we are free to practice religion and not have to practice only one religion (the Church of England’s religion). One nation, Under God – is a very telling line as well. I do know for fact that these statements have been passed down in my family from generation to generation to generation. I find it unbelievable how some people trying to spin words written by the very persons who fought for our freedoms. Appalled and disgusted that history is being altered by un-educated and spin doctors.

Dennis – are we really having the food shelf discussion again – I worked at food shelves and drop-in centers and the number of conservatives I saw could probably be counted on one hand.
Give it a rest – it’s just not something that you people do.

We could offset dropping the purchase mandate by dropping the mandate to treat uninsured people in emergency rooms. Trying to have it both ways has proven to be fiscally unsustainable given the rise in uninsured. (sarcastic suggestion)

The concept of insurance is socialism, by the new conservative definition. It cannot work if only those who have high expenses buy it. Without those who pay more than they get back, insurance cannot pay more than those who need it pay in. Including overhead and profits, insurance could not even pay as much. The fewer people who participate, the more the principle of insurance breaks down.

The high cost of a medical education is creating free-market pressure to drive new doctors toward high-profit specialties and away from basic care like family medicine, general practice, rural medicine, and geriatric medicine.

In short, health care delivered purely on the traditional free-market economic model can no longer meet the needs of the country. Only a radical redesign of the economics of health care can preserve access to health care for everyone, and the republicans will fight it every step of the way.

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

…power to lay and collect taxes…to…provide for the…general welfare of the United States…

The Constitution allows for far more drastic measures than the republicans are currently objecting to on Constitutional grounds.

“Interpreting the commerce power to enable Congress to force American citizens to purchase health insurance would place Americans’ economic liberty in serious jeopardy.”

Considering the exclusions and subsidies, “encouraged” is more accurate than “forced”, but not as divisive. After all, you can still end up without health insurance.

Even uninsured homeowners pay taxes for police and fire. Childless people pay taxes for public education.

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

The economics of pure free market health care are moving away from the lower and middle class. We have already reached a tipping point, a point at which failure becomes inevitable without radical restructuring of the economics of health care.