At Medicaid signing, Dayton lends mic to tea party

What is with this constitutional fixation? Is it the literal Word?

““Where is the church to help these people?”

Well, the biggest and once richest would have been the Catholic Church, but they’re a bit busy and in some cases bankrupt from paying out all their cash to settle cases involving their priests bonking a whole lot of kids.

Don’t count on them or any other church to handle all the uninsured. Plus the biggest and most glitzy of the mega churches seem more interested in making their leaders rich and putting on really expensive displays. That’s the way to heaven you know.

The federal government has authority under the general welfare clause. Supposing one didn’t accept that, the authority would devolve to the state government. The Minnesota constitution doesn’t prohibit government involvement in “social causes.” The tea party constitution is very much a fantasy version of the constitution.

The church has no place in healthcare. Healthcare is based on science and the church is based on faith. This has got one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. Was this statement one of the talking points the Tea Party leaders handed out? If so, the Tea Party in Minnesota just took first place for biggest joke of a political party.

That could be the next Dan Brown novel. The Founders wisely placed Social Causes in care of the Church, but Shadowy Forces have usurped that Authority. Only Tom Hanks can uncover the Truth!

The Church provide healthcare are these guys on drugs. I can see it now. your unmarried living together: no heathcare for you. Your gay: no healthcare for you; your a single unwed mother: for shame no heathcare for you. When they passed the laws to make it easy for churches to get into offering social services they demanded and got the right discriminate when highering employee’s. just what we need a vital service taken over by people who can offer it only to the ones they feel are righteous.

“Another man complained about government-run health care while admitting that he received health care through the Veterans Administration.”

In other words, “I’ve got mine — screw everyone else.”

Every rational nation recognizes the responsibility of their government for ensuring or providing health care. What the heck is more important than that? If the government cannot support your health, why bother with life, liberty, and happiness? If our imperfect, compromise constitution does not enable the government to assure your health the best it can, then we need a better constitution. What irrational religious people think is really something that is getting too much attention. Too bad, semi-liberals like Dayton don’t get that and politely provide a forum in which these people repeat the same irrational falsehoods.

Dear God

WHy did he give these folks the microphone?

This is a very, very bad sign. Rob C, I agree. Being polite to these folks is the EXACT opposite of what should be done.

Of course, I am just a far left fringe left perennial candidate, so please ignore what I am saying.

Has the “progressive” community REALLY sunk down to this level of basic cowardice?

The lessons of the Weimar Republic in Germany or indeed the Spanish Civil War should be looked at very carefully here. Or be prepared, as the sayinng goes.

Those that do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Good Grief.

I disagree, Michael – I think giving them enough rope to hang themselves is quite clever and I hope it works.

I don’t know if Dayton was being idealistic, thinking that we still can talk to each other, or that he figures too many people haven’t seen the far right in its loony glory and he was going to make them visible. From what I’ve seen of Dayton, I found both plausible.

If the churches could handle this, they would have. I give a lot of religious organizations credit for seriously trying to handle the problem of health care for poor people, but they clearly don’t have the ability. We can get the government to do it or leave people to die. It really is that stark.

The “tail” remark sounds like a talking point divorced from fact. This extension covers the poorest of the poor who were left out of Medicaid because they are childless. Of course they won’t get off it, because these are people who have no or almost no income, but do have serious disabilities.

Gov. Dayton’s move was brilliant! Let them speak. We all get to see how shallow and irrational their arguments are. Every time one of them opens their mouths they confirm their idiocy.

As to the church running health care… OMG, we’ll all suffer greatly. Please, God, put a sock in it…

I’m tending to agree with the above, I think it was a brilliant move on Gov. Dayton’s part. Had he not done it, we would be hearing the screams of all those Tea Party folk not having their voices heard. Now we’ve heard them – and yawned or just shook our heads in disbelief.

So, will the Republicans follow suit and do the same when they begin their sacking of MN? Will they give us an open mic? Something tells me NO.

“In other words, “I’ve got mine — screw everyone else.””

It seems to me that as a veteran, he at least earned his benefits. So if you want what he has, maybe you could earn it too.

“So, will the Republicans follow suit and do the same when they begin their sacking of MN? Will they give us an open mic?”

No. You had your chance.

Dennis

Go away and take your lies with you. You are a coward and your right to free speach should be stricken. There are no words that describe your treasonous soul. You are a blight unto God and all he has created. Your words spread disease and devestation as directed by your master satan.

Dennis, stick to what you know, which is nothing.

Yes, indeed, churches and synagogues and all other houses of religion should be leading the campaign to provide everyone with health care. Instead, they obsess over gay marriage, school prayer, and abortion. Essentially, the religious community is irrelevant in this issue, having instead chosen to focus their efforts in other areas.

“Destroying Societies” ah what ripple effect has religion had on societies over the last 2,500 years? Destruction of society, do they not read their own F en history? Do they not remember that Jesus took Paul out of religion because he was partaking in destroying a society. For hundreds of years the Church in Rome known as the Catholic church, same church Paul belonged to, murdered millions of people because they would not follow what the church said. Today religion is destroying society through their oppression of a minority. Want a free peaceful America get religion out of government as the 1st amendment declares.

Why is no one asking the obvious, obvious, right in front of your Tea Bagging nose question?

As an officially registered Ministry with a tax exempt parsonage and “Church”, why isn’t the ministry of YCRBYCH opening a free clinic. That is their self declared duty.

Also, when Jesus threw the money changers out of the Temple, was that to make room for a new “minute clinic”?

“Promote the general welfare” is listed among the purposes for the government formed by drafting the constitution in the preamble. It is clear that government healthcare programs in general ARE a part of that charge.

You’re welcome.

Funny thing, the new “You must include constitutional authority in all new bills” rule the REpublicans put forth, they said you can’t use the General Welfare clause.

Basically, all bills must be explicitly supported by the parts of the constitution they like.

Did a little research on what David Strand brought up and found this on Wikipedia. I have placed the link to the page below and you can check out the references [10] and [11] as you wish.

Alexander Hamilton, only after the Constitution had been ratified, argued for a broad interpretation which viewed spending as an enumerated power Congress could exercise independently to benefit the general welfare, such as to assist national needs in agriculture or education, provided that the spending is general in nature and does not favor any specific section of the country over any other.[10]

While Hamilton’s view prevailed during the administrations of Presidents Washington and Adams, historians argue that his view of the General Welfare Clause was repudiated in the election of 1800, and helped establish the primacy of the Democratic-Republican Party for the subsequent 24 years.[11]

The preceding 2 paragraphs are directly from wikipedia and not my writings. From what I gather is that our first couple presidents believed that the government was there to do what it could to benefit the citizens…ie…healthcare and education.

This is the page address. Good place to start your own investigations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause

You people are delusional free-loaders.

It’s not the role of the federal government to give you free stuff. It’s the role of the federal government to protect your constitutional rights. And if someone else (like me) has to pay for it, it’s not a “right.”

If churches could handle this–and the RCC has its own hospital system, why do those hospitals have to ask the states for money all the time. They claim they are treating poor people who can’t pay—the need tax dollars to keep running, why don’t they ask the church?

Obviously Dennis has never even read the constitution. I suggest it. It’s a good read.

Dennis

I had written a paragraph in rebuttal of your statement, then I realized that it would do no good. You are a stupid moron. Loosen up the tin foil a little. The blood ai’nt gettin to ya head!

I saw these nut bags on Almanac last night.. My Gawd!! There was ZERO substance to anything they were saying.. The only thing they do is carry sickening signs that bare no resemblance of reality and blurt out the “Evils of Socialism”.. (Like these Tards even know what Socialism is.) I personally thing that Dayton giving these cowards the “Mic” was a good thing.. The Independent and Swing Voters are defiantly look the other way on these Tea Bag Guppies… The really fun fight to watch for in the next 2 years is fight between the Republicans and the corporate T-Bag party..

It’s interesting that Dennis thinks that as little as 4 years of military service ENTITLES someone to a lifetime, LIFETIME, of free/subsidized government medical care paid for by MY, yes MY taxes. Dennis says “earned it”.

Well, it was in their military contract. You can’t take away something that was in a contract can you? So I guess if it is in a contract, and the enlistee completes the contract, you can’t take it away from them, can you?

Unless you’re a government worker. For 20+ years. Under contract. Means nothing. Cut their pensions and health care, even though they “earned it”.

It’s, well, different. Because Dennis has no problem with MY taxes paying for veteran’s generous benefits, but God forbid he should pay for anyone else.

I am sitting here shaking my head sadly. I guess my comment of the Weimar Republic and not forgetting history or being condenmned to repeat it fell on deaf ears.

Maybe folks blind loyalty to a political party or leader makes them, well blind.

As our resident right wing fruitloop Dennis shows, these folks could give a rats ass about what people think of them.. I am sure that during the Weimar Republic there were good liberals who commented on how wacky Hitler was, with a funny moustache too.

Giving them the mic is only going to encourage them. Oh and as an aside, seeing Dayton give them the mic also reminds me of Obama bending over and attempting to “reach out” and “compromise” with these nut jobs.

Instead of standing up to them.

That is why I have a very bad feeling about this. Senator Dayton has a history of backing down and not standing up.

Perfect case in point. When there was a call for an investigation into the issue of election fraud in Ohio 2004, Senator Dayton said “Those who talk of voter fraud, while well meaning are seriously misguided.” Mirroring president John Kerry. The very worst president this nation has ever had.

Carry on Good Germans. Keep your heads down.

Sigh

Anyone claiming “churches” should cover all medical care is so divorced from reality it is hard to understand how they fill out their own taxes or tie their own shoes. If the Catholics could have done that – covered everyone – they would have many years ago.

Ten bucks says this guy belongs to a church that spends much of its funds on evangelical conversion activities and other non-medical adventures…

Bob, as a point of clarification to your comment – church-run hospitals in the United States all get the majority of their funding from Medicare, Medicaid, and other government insurance or grants. The remainder is paid for by private insurance. Only a small amount of the budget – less than 10% at a hospital I worked at here in MN – is financed by any sort of donation. When churches donate to hospitals, it’s generally supplementary – a new children’s wing, enhancements to patient areas, etc. The real money in medicine is in the day to day cost of care, and that is born primarily by the government along with private health insurance.

The idea that any church would have the resources to cover that sort of cost is so ludicrous it betrays that the individual hasn’t done so much as a google search on the topic. The teabeggers are really just spewing, and doing so, I would guess, to distract rather than to accomplish anything.

“It seems to me that as a veteran, he at least earned his benefits. So if you want what he has, maybe you could earn it too.”

As a person with a disability, I’m not allowed that opportunity.

Michael

Comparing us to the Weimar??? What is wrong with you? Please leave my district soon. In my opinion, one of the main problems with our society is that people do not encourage public discusion or debate enough. Just because someone has a different view…even if that view is dangerous…their right to speak should not be suppressed. These people (the nut jobs) are a small minority in our society. The main reason that people like Bachman get elected is that the nuts tend to cluster together because they can not handle opposing views.

I may disagree with many people but I will respect the ones that actualy can cary on a debate. I can defend what I believe in with fact.

As John Stewart said…

“I may not agree with you, but I am pretty sure you are not a Nazi.”

sorry bout the spelling

John says

One of the problems with our society is that we do not encourage enough debate

then says

Please leave “my” district. Missing the obvious contradiction.

I could not agree more about the need for debate in our society..

Problem is IMHO that those who are “allowed” to debate tend to be those who speak for the folks with the gold.. We do not have enough real debates in this society.

I have done nothing BUT bring up facts. Very uncomfortable facts.. Facts about Senator Dayton.. Facts about Senator Klobuchar. Facts about the history of Germany in the 1930′s.

Of course I would never say that the Right wing fruitloops should have their right to speak. They have it with Faux News and a whole spectrum of right wing radio..

Simple fact is, it has been my own personal experience that those who practice censorship has tended to be Democrats. Whenever someone to the left, who is not a Dem attempts to speak. The examples are endless.

My point has been to NOT cater to these folks and give them the mic during a Press Conference or rally.

It denotes weakness, capitulation and encourages them.

THAT is the history lessons of the Weimar Republic that I am alluding to..

By The Way.

This is a form of political debate..

Just so that you are aware. Political positions put forward.. It has been my expperiennce also that when a position is put forward that cannot be answered, many will simply respond by namecalling..

Instead of responding politically.

Michael

I have no desire to interact with someone who can so easily compare people to those that were complacent to the Nazis. I have never asked you to be stifled. You back up what you say with facts and I respect you for that. I just do not think that by being acidic and sarcastic in your tone you are able to do any good.

Now Tim and Dennis have never backed any thing they say with fact. So what they are spewing is lies. Liars need to be silenced with the truth.

I appologize if I was not more clear in my language as I am not an english major.

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“I may not agree with you, but I am pretty sure you are not a Nazi.”

The problem with this comment is that some of these guys are Nazi’s. Have you listened to Beck’s rants? Limbaugh’s Racism? If you’re honest with yourself you understand that much of the Tea Bagger opposition to Obama has to do with his race rather they his policiies. Have you ever listened to the Birthers? You think that has nothing to do with race?

I am fine with honest debate, but there are very few, if any, on the right who would engage in honest debate. Much of what they believe is based on ignorance, mis-understanding and mis-interpretation of events, comments or reality. You can’t debate something that does not exist or is a figment of someone’s imaginaton. If you pay close attention you will see that many of the issues and outrages of the Right are made up. They have no basis in reality so can not be debated. Its like debating the existence of God, it can’t be done, because belief in God is based on faith not reality. And that is exactly what Right Wing issues are: Based on faith and you can’t debate that.

I hope that someday “Centrists” will come to understand this, but I am not holding my breath.

Dennis doesn’t pay for nothing , dennis feeds of of people

who ever posted what Dennis does re post it,

a great move by dayton

hey dennis what was your final rate when leaving the navy ,and how many years did you serve ,and do you have v.a benefits