Florida GOPer: Ellison represents the ‘antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established’

Well, I guess I represent the “the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established” too because I support Ellison wholeheartedly. But if the GOP is so against Ellison, why did they let him run unopposed this last election?

You have to excuse Col. West’s blunt honesty.

He’s a patriot who doesn’t suffer fools lightly.

West should know, because he has a higher security clearance than the president. At least so he says. Maybe he stopped saying that once he went back on his meds.

Wasn’t this country established on the principle of religious freedom?

U.S. Rep. Allen West should know that the principles this country was built on involved people of his ethnicity being slave labor, so everything he is today is counter to that principle… just say’n.

Paid commenter Dennis is back.

He’s a patriot who doesn’t suffer fools lightly.

So does he try to punch his mirror every morning?

More nincomepoopery by the American Tea-liban Hatriots.

West ‘s chief of staff Joyce Kaufman said during the campaign, ” If ballots don’t work, bullets will”.
It is so patriotic and all-American to advocate bypassing the constitutional process and advocate violence, isn’t it? And before you tell me the statement doesn’t advocate violence; there is no way to accurately paraphrase it to say anything else. Palin said the all the “arms talk” means “our votes”. No way was Kaufman saying – if we don’t get enough ballots we’ll get enough votes.
Violence and bullying is not patriotic. Having served in the military doesn’t give anyone a pass. Calling West a patriot is an insult to those who truly are.

Wendy,
I believe they are called Tea-hadists, and I am pretty sure Dennis has a Napoleon complex, is a closeted and self-hating homosexual, and was probably drummed out of the Navy for cowardice. Just sayin’

West just shows his ignorance and character every time he speaks. He is just seems to be hocking for the AIPAC’s money and vote.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, eh Alec?

Joyce Kaufman is not Col. West’s chief of staff so anything you say after that is moot.

Col. West is a patriot. And anybody who’d feel bullied by the words of a woman has testosterone deficiency issues.

Seriously Dennis, it’s like you went to the Archie Bunker school of management. The fact that you have to declare your manliness in every breathe makes one wonder.

I wonder if the gentleman believes in all the founding principles upon which the country was founded: slavery, oppression of women, genocidal war against Native Americans, white rule, and property ownership as prerequisite for voting. If the gentleman believes in founding principles, well, then he should recognize that his election is contrary to those founding principles.

West chose Kaufman and was spoken of as his chief of staff prior to stepping down over her comments. I see you didn’t explain what she “really “meant. Please complete thi sentence: West is a patriot because_______________.

the country was founded: slavery

The founders had to comprimise with lazy lying thieving bastards that lived high on the hog by enslaving workers.  Just like the Republicans have to compromise with the lazy lying thieving DFL sucking the life out of the working class.

Thats not the DFL Sybil, thats the friggen Kock-sucking Talibangacles and their Deliverance-underling GOP! Squeeeeel Sybil squeeeeeeeeeeel!!!

West is a patriot because he won a bronze star defending this nation against islamic jihadists.

Now that Micheal Steel has exited stage left the GOP had to find another Token Black guy that is EVEN NUTTIER!!

Hey Allen West!! Read the first sentence of the First Amendment!!!

“Government SHALL NOT respect the establishment of Religion…”

Ellison NEVER brings up the fact that he is a Muslim,, The evil Church of Christ LLC. does..

West is a dirtbag who abused detainees.

Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison’s groundbreaking pilgrimage to Mecca last month was paid for by an American Muslim organization that has ties to Islamic radicals and is “the Muslim equivalent of the neo-Nazi party,” his critics say.

Ellison, the only Muslim in Congress, is coming under fire for his ties to MAS, which one terrorism expert called “the Muslim equivalent of the neo-Nazi party.”

“The agenda of the MAS is to … impose Islamic law in the U.S., to undermine U.S. counterterrorism policy.”

The MAS was founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood, an international Islamist movement created in Egypt in 1928. Radical members of the Brotherhood founded the terror group Hamas and were among the first members of Al Qaeda.

Rep. Keith Ellison will be in Congress long after this windbag is sent packing for being incompetent. You would think that like Rep. Ellison this newly elected rep would try to concentrate on fixing the problems of the country instead of creating more division.

Dennis, you need to get out once in a while. Maybe talk to somebody other than an angry rightwing nut. Talk to just regular not offensive people… the change will do you good. And do check out your closet, the poster above that suggested you are a little tightly tethered on this manliness issue is right.

Rep West needs a few more lapel pins.

wusses.

West is a patriot because he won a bronze star defending this nation against islamic jihadists.

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That makes him a hero for his actions. Patriotism is not an event. The language he uses in reference to his fellow Congressmen and citizens and his disrespect for the commander-in -chief would have earned him rousing attacks from Rush, Beck, Bachmann, etc. if done when Bush was president. But because a democrat is president it earns him a hallowed place on the right. That’s not patriotism – that’s politics. He’s just a politician.

“West is a patriot because he won a bronze star defending this nation against islamic jihadists.”

He wasn’t defending the US, he was defending a military force which was occupying a foreign country.

To be honest, as good as our founding principles were, their application was limited by the prejudices of the day. To get us as far as we have come, they needed a bit of improvement to broaden the application of those principles out to cover a larger portion of our population and to ensure that those basic principles could not be undermined or thwarted by the States and (to a lesser degree) private parties.

Free and respresentative government and a free and represented people, are both protected by those founding principles that include: freedom of speech; freedom of religion; the right of the people to assemble and petition their government; the right to be secure in our persons, property and in our privacy – safe from unlawful and unreasonable intrusion, confiscation or compulsion by government; the right of the people to govern their own affairs under a system that recognizes that inherent right as equal amoung all people not limited by race or magnified by wealth.

These rights are not granted but merely acknowledged and guaranteed in the Constitition and over the years through the efforts of people like Congressman Ellison, these rights have been protected and preserved.

Congressman West is correct in one thing and it applies directly to him as well: “you’ve got to be able to defeat them intellectually in debate and discourse, and you to just have to be able to challenge each and every one of their assertions very wisely and very forthright.”

I wish, when confronted with the kind of sweeping overstatement made by Congressman West, the press would ask simple follow up questions like “what principles” and “what in particular about Congessman Ellison leads you to make such a statement”.

One of the founding principles upon which the Founding Fathers agreed was that ordinary people had no right to participate in government. Under their plan, the president was not chosen by the direct vote of the people; senators were not chosen by direct vote of the people. They designed a government that effectively kept those driven by their passions from having much influence. You all should go back and actually read the Federalist papers. You may be quite surprised to see the degree to which the men in Philadelphia distrusted the common man. In their understanding, women and slaves were unable to grasp the complexity of public policy. That, boys a girls, was a founding principle.

Hans: and for good reason. The Founders feared that once the people realized they could vote themselves a key to the treasury, the great experiment in self-government would be over, replaced by mob rule.

Of course, that’s exactly what we have today where politicians are elected, not to protect your constitutional rights via their votes in congress, but by promising to fight for your “fair share” of the wealth confiscated from others.

These same politicians and their supporters now fight tooth and nail to prevent any attempt to put us back on course to a constitutional republican.

constitutional republic.

And since the Federal government’s ONLY purview is war, the Founders understood that many people simply didn’t care enough to vote, for good reason.  That’s why only men voted; men deal with war.

Gentlemen, with all due respect, I’m guessing that you have not read the Federalist Papers. Had you done so, your opinions would be a bit more nuanced. It seems that you prefer your flawed, self-serving musings over those of the reasoned reflections of the men who actually designed our government. One example: the Constitution empowered federal government enforcement of interstate commerce, having seen that the lack of such enforcement mechanism prevented economic development. Please do your homework. Class dismissed.

What Joel said.

I find the statement that Ellison “supports Islam” a curious (but ultimately unsurprising, given the source) framing. If he were Jewish or Christian, we wouldn’t say he “supports Judaism” or “supports Christianity.” We’d just call him Jewish or Christian.

“Gentlemen, with all due respect, I’m guessing that you have not read the Federalist Papers. Had you done so, your opinions would be a bit more nuanced. ”

It is STILL timely-probably always will be-

“Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/

Looks like Dennis got another computer so he can log on as Jimmy/Rudy/Raymond
as well as Tim. Now he can agree with himself 3 times in a row.

Looking forward to Rep. West standing up for the constitutional principle that he should only be entitled to three-fifths of a vote in Congress.

west is a war criminal who got his ass booted from the army to save face. he’s an arrogant idiot who supported abolishing th e14th amendment because it went against “anchor babies”, not even thinking it would apply to his stupid ass, too. and she (j kaufman) was his first pick to be chief of staff, she turned it down when she found out she’d have to work, instaed of just shooting off her mouth. like the time she called for lynching illegal aliens, or the infamous bullets quote. this scumbag calls women “oral gratification devices”, who “shouldn’t complain about thier knees huting” when he writes for a biker magazine dedicated to freeing imprisoned hells angels. i believe it’s called “wheels on the road”, but, i’m not sure about the title.

It is truly frightening to have such a mind representing anyone in America.
The intellectual battle between he and my son should be worth an admission fee.
I am sorry that he would take such an Honor as serving in the Congress and
express such debasing, divisive ideas. Shame on him
Clida Ellison

“The government of the US is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.”
George Washington

If you feel you have to identify West as a “patriot”, that most likely means he isn’t one.

Ellison is doing a great job. We don’t need any bible-thumping bigots from Florida telling us who to elect in Minnesota. Compare the level of education, quality of life and overall statistics between citizens of Florida and Minnesota and you’ll realize that Florida politicians have no advice to offer anyone.

Dennis: I hope I never bump into you somewhere….Your reality and my reality may touch and cause the universe to explode…….

Rep. West obviously has no understanding of the first amendment. His (Rep. West) opinion is the antithesis of the principles that this country was founded on. It is an insult to patriots to call him a patriot.

Jefferson was very clear that the intent of the first amendment was to protect people of all religious faiths, not just Rep. West’s opinion of what the “correct” religion is. As Jefferson wrote when he authored the Virginia religious freedom act:

“The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read, “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, and the Infidel of every denomination.”