President Clinton: Bachmann, new Republicans in political ‘parallel universe’

heh. Talk about your parallel universe.

It’s not only amazing and instructive that the titular head of the democrat party is a disbarred, impeached, serial sexual predator and accused rapist, but neither the press nor the democrat establishment sees anything wrong with that.

Everytime I see Bill Clinton in the news being treated as some sort of respected elder stateman, I think of people like Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick. Oh well, I guess that’s just the feminist in me.

Yep. Bill Clinton is disgusting in his personal life sometimes. Much like David Vitter, John Ensign, and Mark Sanford. I can’t recall if they resigned in disgrace, or got standing ovations from Republicans. Could you clarify whether the press or Republican establishment see anything wrong with Vitter cheating with prostitutes? I wasn’t sure based on his warm welcome from said establishment.

Lets’ not forget Newt, Giuliani, Bob Barr, Jim Bunn, mark Foley, Helen Chenoweth, and if you really want to count even an accusation, Geroge Bush.

Like Ensign, Chenoweth called for Clinton to resign. When she later admitted to an affair Chenoweth didn’t hold herself to the same standard. She said,” I’ve asked for God’s forgiveness, and I’ve received it.” Parallel universe indeed.

Any comment on the actual substance of what Clinton said?

Dennis,
Great job attacking the messenger, you can’t attack his message because you know it’s true so just go after person. That really is the republican mantra now isn’t it, attack, attack, attack. The former president brings up a very important point and rather than trying to counter his argument you just attack him personally. I think that really shows more about your character than his.

The USA certainly has the most expensive healthcare system and considering we are 33rd in infant mortality rate, I’m betting if we can’t keep our children alive we probably aren’t doing any better with the adults.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

Dick Nixon, John Mitchell, Chuck Colson, Ed Meese, Scooter Libby, Tom Delay …

On second thought someone in the Bush administration did say that they created their own reality. You could look it up.

I didn’t think it was possible to better illustrate BC’s point that GOPers tend to deal with “no facts”, but Dennis pulls it off brilliantly! Rather than trying to argue against BC’s facts, or present his own facts to counter, he resorts to mis-information and personal attacks. Fantastic!

Did any of those republicans mentioned get disbarred, impeached, sued for sexual harrassment, and accused of rape while in office?

Of course not. Because if they had, they would be off the national stage and be considered personna non grata, not a party leader whose opinions matter in the press.

And by the way, I notice Clinton didn’t leave the country to get treated for his heart disease, did he?

Go down to the Mayo Clinic and you’ll think it’s the bleeping United Nations with all the foreigners getting treated down there.

Dennis,

Do you go to the Mayo often, give me the acutal date you were there last. I’m guessing your fat ass made it up like you do wtih all your posts’

Chad, I doubt if you could find your way to Rochester if someone put you on the bus.

Dennis,

Really, that’s the best you have.

P.S. you never answered the question (typical) when was the last time you visited the Mayo clinic, give me a date. I’m just trying to establish some credibility for your unfactual answers. So give us all a date so we know that you were down there recently to support your claim of

“Go down to the Mayo Clinic and you’ll think it’s the bleeping United Nations with all the foreigners getting treated down there.”

I deal in facts, maybe if you did people would take you seriously.

Now I understand. Had Clinton not been impeached there would be no problem. The behavior is really not the issue – personal responsibility is not expected. Hypocricy is not in the republican dictionary.

People do come from all over the world to be treated at Mayo. Those who come can afford it. My insurance company is taking Mayo out of their network. I live 4 blocks from a Mayo system medical center. I guess I have to start traveling 35 miles and see a new doctor. The care in this country is second to none. The system we have is insane. The profit-hungry middleman/insurance determines care, not the doctors.

“In 2009, WellPoint CEO Angela Braly was awarded a 51% compensation boost from $8.7 million in 2008 to $13.1 million. During the same period of high profits and highly compensated executives, WellPoint shed thousands of jobs. In 2009, WellPoint laid off 1,500 employees across the nation. Notably, during this same period WellPoint’s trade association secretly transfered $86 million to the Chamber to fight health reform.”

I may not be as detailed as many of you but I do know how to stay on topic. I am not concerned with political parties but i am concerned with the truth. Gathering facts on 20 or so medical demographics I found the US ranks from 15th to 40th depending on who is doing the research.

To say that we are #1 in healthcare is a fundamental lie that any parent could read in a child. I am very concerned that such a blatant false statement holds sway over so large a group of people.

I have been to the hotel next to the Mayo several times over the past couple decades. I never notice any difference in culture from what I saw. I figure they all looked like people to me and I let it go at that.

Amen, Paul V.

I’ve read that before she got the Cadillac plan extended to members of Congress, she got pretty good coverage under her husband’s policy. Which by the way does not cover the clinic’s employees. I wonder if this woman has ever dealt with an insurance company or had to worry about health coverage for her family? Or been turned down for “pre-existing condition”?

“Republicans are trying to set up in the 2012 elections which is they know America is a truly exceptional country and all these wussy Democrats don’t.”

Bill got it exactly right as he usually does. That’s why in part he’s still one of the most respected former presidents out there.

I wish he would have expanded on that statement. Republicans not only believe we are an exceptional country, but we are the country chosen by God. Unless you believe that and also believe the world is ours to “harvest” and do with as we want, you are un-American. The nationalism and flag waving under Bush was almost unbearable, but I doubt we’ve seen the worst of it.

Yeah Kevin, because, you know, it’s just not right to believe in God and love America and all. Your unionist teachers should be proud.

“I have been to the hotel next to the Mayo several times over the past couple decades. I never notice any difference in culture from what I saw.”

Yeah Paul, those Arab shieks look just like me … except for their large entourage of body guards and concubines, we could be brothers.

If the rest of the world’s heath care is so good.

Consider this. From Colin Powell’s autobio:

His son was a Lt. in the US Army based in Germany. As I recall he was in an accident. He was driven to the closest hospital which was a German civilian hospital. They looked at him and said “too bad” we cannot do anything for him. His unit buddies took no for an answer and wrapped him up and drove for quite a distance to the closest US Army hospital.

The outcome? His son became the Chairman of the FTC.

So much for the German health care system. Get in a car accident and die.

So President Clinton is able to travel to Switzerland, but Dubya can’t, having recently “canceled a February 12 visit to a Jewish charity gala in Switzerland, reportedly out of fears that legal action would be taken against him for his role in authorizing torture” … Puts into perspective Dennis’ words describing Bill as “a disbarred, impeached, serial sexual predator and accused rapist” … and no, the Swiss couldn’t care less the political stripes of any American on their soil (to head off Dennis’ wisecrack about the socialist, commie Helvetica Confederation being in cahoots with the American Democrats to the peril of the United States of America .. cue in the band playing the Star Spangeled Banner shooting off fireworks in the broad daylight …)

I can’t help but wonder if Bachmann, Palin, et al, will join, if not already, on the list of those who are barred from entering the United Kingdom for violent speech.

Richie Rich, we already have the analogy of “German civilian hospitals” right here; they are called health insurance companies.

OY

That should read “The Star-Spangled Banner.” And I don’t need the passing of a state law making English the official language to know when I misspell an English word …

Sheesh!

I know I’ve said this before, but really I don’t have time to read all the comments. Dennis said something silly again didn’t he?

I did read his first comment and then some fool “admitting” that Bill Clinton was disgusting in his personal life. First Clinton was not impeached. Republicans tried, but failed to impeach him. Secondly they spent $72 million investigating him and came up with nothing.

He had a sorid affair with an intern. Disgusting is in the eye of the beholder, they were both consenting adults. It is no one’s place to say if that was disgusting or no. I am willing to bet you’ve done things that I would call disgusting. In fact I think Conerned adding credibility to ANYTHING Dennis said is disgusting.

Well hell. I’m not a fan of a boy named Dennis but I thought he could read. Dear Dennis they were all tried and convicted. Yogi Berra again – “You could look it up.”

Well, Henk, maybe you’re a kid and weren’t around then but Bill Clinton was impeached by the house of representives on December 19th, 1998. You can look it up. Google clinton impeached.

Secondly, he wasn’t impeached for having an affair. That was the spin that was put on it by the democrat press to minimize and distract from his real crime(s).

First, Bill Clinton was a defendant in a sexual harrassment lawsuit. That in itself was unprecedented that a sitting president was a defendant in a lawsuit that the supreme court had to allow to proceed because it had never happened before.

A young state government employee in Arkansas, Paula Jones, claimed that Bill Clinton exposed himself to her and asked for oral sex. As part of the plaintiff’s evidence to show that this was a pattern of behavior (something that’s required in employer sexual harrassment claims) several of Bill Clinton’s other victims were being contacted to testify in court. Clinton’s lawyers were informed of this, who in turn informed Clinton.

Bill Clinton then told his current sexual harrassment victim, Monica Lewinski, that if she was contacted by Paula Jones’ attorneys she was to deny everything. He was also contacting other women to convince them to lie also. She told her friend Linda Tripp about it who then dropped a dime and the rest is history.

Bill Clinton’s crime wasn’t “having an affair.” It was sexual harrassment (for which he paid Ms. Jones $750,000), witness tampering (a felony) and perjury in a federal courtroom for which he was disbarred for five years.

And oh yes, the u.s. congress voted to impeach him.

Now aren’t you glad you finally know the truth about your party’s leader?

Dennis, you are right. Clinton was impeached. For lying about a sexual affair between two consenting adults.

Appallingly, Bush was NOT impeached for lying about the reasons he forced the US into a war with Iraq, which has AND CONTINUES cost billings of dollars, thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousand of Iraqi lives.

So tell me, Dennis, which was the greater sin? And which former president deserves less world-wide respect?

Your hatred of Clinton has blinded you to the great picture of what is important. When you get there, I’m pretty sure your God will tell you that, to your face, if you are lucky.

a lot of hospitals work together the mayo is a great hospital no doubt
my wife’s doctor gets her advice there and then treats my wife in st cloud

i have worked all around in Rochester , i have never noticed anything different then when i was treated at riverside u of m
john Hopkins has affiliate hospitals all over the world just like the mayo does
my doctor works in 3 different hospitals each week as their specialist

there are great hospitals all over the world
hospitals specialize such as the congress women who got shot she is a
great place for brain trauma in Houston tx
i sure wish my neighbors little daughter could go there ,
oh but his 25 years of paying insurance through his work place doesn’t cover major medical without huge copay’s .. so they will be filing bankruptcy , lose everything they have worked for and she will get very ill because the the hospitals she can go to are not geared to treat her ,, Dennis you don’t know how hospitals work ‘
i don’t know that much either , but i know when my wife was sitting in an a emergency surgery their were seven dr replies in less then 3 hours and she never had the surgery because of one specialist knew of this certain disease and no need for surgery it saved a lot of money
just wait Dennis in a few years try and take universal health care away ,
its here to stay my buddy you will see all my doctors are for it,, Ive asked them
just because obama shoved it threw
and many bills get shoved threw or packaged in omnibus bills
but Dennis you are like a baboon 2 hours to eat and 9 to make others peoples lives miserable how do you live with yourselves
you bring out the worst in me with your archie bunker arrogant attitude
i get you riled for fun
Obamas in for another 4 i sure wish i had voted for him the first time

“Dennis, you are right. Clinton was impeached. For lying about a sexual affair between two consenting adults.”

That’s not why he was impeached. And he had power over her in the workplace and as such the law states there is no “consent” in that scenario.

He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice in his sexual harrassment lawsuit. Which is more serious than “lying about an affair” as if his problem was telling the truth to the American people. And asking witnesses to lie in court is a felony.

And if you believed Bush “lied” about the reasons for war against Iraq, then you have to believe that all the intelligence services in the world were lying too, not to mention several key democrats in government.

http://tinyurl.com/r5j854

According to Rumsfeld, Bush didn’t tell the truth about the war.

http://whowhatwhy.com/

Dennis,

It’s not even a challenge with you anymore….we’re all still waiting, I will put in in CAPS (that means I will make the letters big so maybe you understand…I know you have a 3rd grade education but maybe you will get it)

GIVE US THE EXACT DATE YOU WERE AT THE MAYO CLINIC TO SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT OF :

“Go down to the Mayo Clinic and you’ll think it’s the bleeping United Nations with all the foreigners getting treated down there.”

AND YOUR NEW ONE

“Yeah Paul, those Arab shieks look just like me … except for their large entourage of body guards and concubines, we could be brothers”

It’s clear that there are no facts which would change Dennis’ mind from the beliefs regarding Clinton’s correctness that he’s expressed here.

Right, Dennis?

“He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice in his sexual harrassment lawsuit. ”

And he was acquitted.

[...] President Clinton: Bachmann, new Republicans in political ‘parallel universe’ (Andy Birkey, Minnesota Independent, Feb. 7, 2011)  [...]

It is getting harder and harder to tell when conservatives are lying to others or simply lying to themselves. They are so obsessed with their own short-sighted goals that they cannot perceive the practical limitations and real consequences of their beliefs.

They seem to believe that unrestricted amounts of wealth can be concentrated into the hands of a few without damaging financial and political consequences. They actively seek to starve the goose that lays the golden eggs.

They seem to think that America can prosper even when employers and workers operate in two different economies. They foolishly believe that meritocracy is still prevalent in America.

They seem to believe that they can enshrine extreme religious doctrine into our laws and still claim that we are a nation that promises religious freedom. They are effectively at war with religious freedom. They cannot see how much they have in common with the Taliban.

They seem to believe that small business is the key to our future. Small business is an engine of economic stability, but not the engine of economic growth.

This country began with the Articles of Confederation. The weak central government embodied in those Articles proved to be insufficient to hold the states together. It could not even get the states to pay off the debt incurred by the Revolutionary War. It was because a weak central government proved ineffective that the Articles of Confederation were scrapped in favor of the United States Constitution we have today (plus amendments). Conservatives are advocating a return to the same principles of a weak central government that failed over 200 years ago. The Articles of Confederation only lasted 8 years and 3 days.

The current crop of conservatives sometimes quote the Federalist Papers, but they actually advocate the anti-federalist position. The Federalist Papers were written to support adoption of the Constitution and the necessity of it’s strong central government.

The social conservative movement exists for the sole purpose of attacking the personal rights and individual liberties they disagree with. Yet they claim to be defenders of rights and liberties. It is a very self-serving point of view.

Conservatives have adopted religious litmus tests for support and advancement in their party as well as in their core principles, in spite of the fact that religious tests are explicitly forbidden by Article VI of the Constitution – the same Constitution they claim to revere and support.

Parallel universe indeed.