Bachmann voted for government shutdown because of abortion

“There’s a point where you have a hill where you die on.” -Michele Bachmann

And let’s hope you’ve found your hill Michele.

Praise Jebus, God hates freewill, Amen.

Carl -

I think you misunderstand “free will”. What it really means is “follow what ultra-conservative Christians who are clearly mentally unwell want”.

Once you put it in that context, it’s pretty clear why so many of us are filthy hippie liberal commies who are going to burn in a lake of fire for our baby-killing, hedonistic ways.

Gov’t has no business telling what lightbulb to buy, but have every say in what a woman can do with her pregnancy. Tax Break on a breast-pump is Nanny State, but millions in Fed Farm Subisides is not. Summer is winter, light is dark, up is down, War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery.

“At some point you have to have a knock down, drag down fight.”

I’m up for it. Are you Michele? Where do you want to meet?

Government’s not telling women what they “can do with her pregnanacy.” It’s just not going to pay for an abortion. Let the woman and/or her sperm donor pay for it.

And why is the taxpayer giving money directly to private clinics allegedly for “cervical cancer screenings, mammographies and testing for sexually transmitted diseases?” Let the customer pay for for those services with their health insurance or via Medicaid if they’re poor. There’s no reason to pay Planned Parenthood directly except to subsidize it as a political act.

She’d kick your ass, Kevin.

Leave it to Crazy Eyes to want to fight “eyeball-to-eyeball”!

Andy, I am curious as to the rationale behind Reps. McCollum and Ellison’s “no” votes?

She will fight to the death so that sick people can’t see a doctor. It is a moral imperative!

Lane

Here’s a statement from Ellison explaining why he voted no:

Ellison, co-chair of the House Progressive Caucus, voted the same way but for a vastly different reason.

“I’m not going to do in small increments what I refuse to do in large ones.” Ellison said. “You keep adding these things up, you keep stringing them along, and you get to what the Republicans want, which is to cut about $60 billion out.”

If all women who wanted them were provided with free access to contraceptives, then just about the only abortions would be for medical reasons. But for some reason, Republicans don’t like this idea, either. Maybe it’s not about babies and life after all, but simply having control over others.

@chay

No matter which way you look at it, if you attack birth control its about control. Its about one’s moral acceptance and support, and what they think all people should do.

I’ve always remembered our little Michelle, hiding behind the bushes at a gay rally at the capitol. Or the time she claimed to have be accosted by lesbians in the ladies room after some town meeting near Stillwater. These were not the acts of some brave woman. I doubt that she’s changed much, her false bravado here, on this issue, has everything to do with her political ambitions and nothing to do with principle.

Dennis so the 30,000$ that her husbands clinic recieved from the GOVERNMENT is okay. You know that phoney so-called clinic that the BACHMAN’S set up to rip the GOVT off.

Wow, you liberals are really tough guys. One can almost imagine you challenging a woman to a fight. And losing.

“If all women who wanted them were provided with free access to contraceptives, then just about the only abortions would be for medical reasons.”

What’s with you freeloaders? Buy some damn condoms fer chrissakes. You don’t need the taxpayer for that, do you?? You guys give nannies a bad name.

Dennis you give humanity a bad name.

Every single citizen is due health care, an education, food to eat and shelter.

Call me a bleeding heart liberal because I think we as a community need and are morally responsible for every single other community member.

We all need to provide equally for each other and to live without judgment of each other.

To accept everyone’s opinions, even yours Dennis. I accept your opinion, and I accept your right to it, and to freely speak it. I will NEVER support it.

It’s just morally reprehensible that she depends on lies and distortions to support her ideology. What else can one expect from religious fanatics. Certainly not democracy or freedom of religion.

Marie, it’s not a right if someone else has to pay for it.

Move to Cuba.

Dennis,

I have challenged you several times you fat piece of poop, name the time and place (you can even bring the other bloggers who comprise “Dennis”). Why don’t you move to Cuba, oh wait not even Cuba takes fat gross pathetic 50 year old virgin’s who live in their mommy’s basement and get off by viewing child porn (thats a shot at you Dennis, I know you are too dumb to know this).

Walking Eagle fails to comprehend that all of us, even the poor, pay taxes one way or the other. Here’s a hint: sales tax and for those who aren’t homeless, property taxes.

He would have flunked the Bene Gesserit’s gom jabbar test of humanity.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure period. It will remain a legal medical procedure as well. There is no argument based on US law and constitution that will ever prohibit abortion and strike it as illegal. Those that are arguing for defunding of medical institutions that provide the service are anti-American as they are against laws based on the American Constitution.

Dennis (and I am sure Tim will be along soon) you have NO argument here. All you have is your script of rhetoric that was handed to you by your masters.

Bark, little dogs, bark. You must obey your masters!!!!

Dennis doesn’t seem to realize that no federal money pays for abortions. To use that as a rationale for this bill is flat out dishonest.

Just remember DENNIS your “LOON” is nothing but a good “PRACTICING CHRISTIAN”,loves the money-lenders,takes Health-Care away from the poor and uninsured,and practices BIGOTRY in it’s purest form.JESUS would be so proud of this “LOON”.

Dennis has the FOX News Septic Pump piped directly into his head.. Unfortunately everything he says is full of Sh!t.. Go Figure…

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Dennis… I paid for it, I’m a vet..what are you. It is not a responsibility for someone to ‘pay for a right”…What world are you from, what country? Certainly not the United States.
You are a disgrace.
I’ll fight for any persons right to choose what is best for them, even though I may disagree with that choice. I will defend those that have no voice.
I”ll show you a beating heart in a one week old fetus, of course that would be the fetus of a mouse…what the f are going after here?
And to all of those that think that our country, the United States of America, was founded as some kind of Christian place.
It was not, and thank goodness for that. Our country was the first ‘in all the world’, that was not founded nor supported by any type of requirement of a ‘belief”.
Why do you all think that so many of the world looks to us for enlightenment?
It is because we as a country, are far, far beyond that type of nonsense.
HOPEFULLY

Marie
Comment posted March 2, 2011 @ 11:30 pm
“Every single citizen is due health care, an education, food to eat and shelter.

Call me a bleeding heart liberal because I think we as a community need and are morally responsible for every single other community member. ”

Wait, food is free now? When did that happen? Shelter? Someone is going to take over my mortgage payment? Who? You, Marie? Good lord, you are a bleedheart liberal. As usual, everyone else has to pay for someone’s “health care, education, food to eat and shelter”.

What universe do you live in that these four things are human rights? No wonder we’re broke. You do not have a right to healthcare. If you can’t afford a doctor you stay sick. You do not have a right to an education. Please find me “right to education” in any of our founding documents. You definately don’t have a right to food or shelter. This is not the Soviet Union. You have to pay for those things. If you would like those things provided please go live in a country that has such a system and stop doing more damage to this one.

We defeated communism for a reason. Its evil and doomed to fail. I can’t believe I’m having this conversation with someone who lives in America. Who told you you have a right to food and shelter? They lied!

On balance I am for abortion but that doesn’t mean the government gets to force people to pay for it. We have $100 trillion in unfunded mandates, $14 trillion in debt and a yearly budget deficit of $1.6 trillion. And this is before we add the unworkable obscenity that is Obamacare, or the unsustainable public pensions, or Obama’s new train set into the mix. If we can’t get a measly cut to such a controversial program as Planned Parenthood then we are going the way of Greece sooner than later because no one will have the courage to touch SS and Medicare… neither of which are sustainable.

Democrats are fundamentally unserious people. We increased spending by 84% in the past couple of years and we don’t have a single thing to show for it other than piles of more debt and an extended downturn. It doesn’t matter what the Republicans propose to cut. It will be called crucial even though the Republic got along just fine without it for generations and even though the Founders put restrictions in the Constitution to prevent us from heading down this very road. They staged a revolution over the principle of no taxation without representation. What do you think they would do if they came into a situation where citizens are born under a crushing debt that they had no part in making? If you think that the coming generations are going to put up with being born in economic shackles just because the current politicians need to buy your vote then you are a fool and missed the whole lesson of the 20th century.

$60 billion in cuts is nothing. All it does is highlight how irrational, and economically illiterate our current president and those who oppose such cuts are. That this even has to explained says all we need to know about how poor (and co-opted) the educational system and the media is in this country. You don’t have to like the cuts but you DO have to make them.

Eventually the adults will be back in charge (Dem or Rep) and will start making the difficult decisions that are necessary. Until then we will get the silly moral posturing we see in this thread where everything someone favors has to be funded… at someone elses expense… and by force instead of voluntarily.

Sorry for the interruption. Please go back to whining over how stupid Dennis and Bachmann are for not buying you what you want with money we do not have. I am sure it amuses them both to no end.

Chayanov:

As the Supreme Court in Casey vs Planned Parenthood so poignantly pointed out, the two are inseperable. People resort to abortion WHEN birth control fails. Abortion is another form of birth control. The only difference is, when a woman elects to undergo an abortion, the end result is that a separate being’s life is extinguished (truth be told, the same can happen with chemical contraceptives, as they work to make the uterus inhospitable for an embryo, thus ensuring that this being with its own unique human genetic structure dies).

The fact that a fetus has its own, distinct genetic code, and has its own independent immune, circulatory, nervous, and digestive systems indicates that it is a live human being distinct from its mother. When one considers this, then killing this distinct human being, innocent from the moment it was conceived, is blatant murder. Some claim it is a parasite, but aren’t we all? I mean, how many of us grow all our own food, and rely only on the sweat of our own brow for everything? None of us. We are all living off of another’s hard work. If we are allowed to kill this innocent human being because it is inconvenient, or parasitic, than why don’t we kill off the poor and those on welfare, like Margaret Sanger (the founder of Planned Parenthood) proposed?

What is at stake is the very moral core of our nation. Roe v Wade and its supporters would have us believe that taking the life of a distinct human being, for our own selfish purposes and without due process, is the right of a woman. The next logical thing is for us to assume that everyone has the right to terminate any human being who interferes with our “health”.

When Roe v Wade was decided, the Court was iffy on whether or not a “fetus” was actually human being (despite the fact that all embryology textbooks in print prior to Roe said unanimously that it was a live, distinct human being). By allowing this ruling to stand, we have allowed the government to define what humanity is. Consider the grave atrocities of the past: slavery, the Holocaust, the Rwandan Genocie, the Armenian Genocide, and Stalin’s pograms. All (almost all, Jimmy Carter still doesn’t think the Holocaust happened) would consider these horrendous acts of evil. They all started when the government was allowed to define what humanity was. Slaves in the United States were not deemed human, but rather sub-human, as were Jews, gays, communists, Catholics, and Poles in Germany. Consider the inhuman treatment of these people, who did nothing to deserve this treatment except live: it was the result of the people allowing the government define what constituted “human”.

Now, we, being so enlightened and “free”, have moved beyond such actions. We’ve upped the ante. Now, our victims don’t have the ability to escape or run away. They can’t fight back, and they even speak out. We’ve cornered them in the very place they should be safe and secure: their mother’s womb.

No, this isn’t about control, its about the very essence of society.

And by the way, Carl, Christians (except maybe Reformed) believe God gifted us free-will, which includes the ability to choose to commit gravely evil acts, like the willful taking of a perfectly innocent life. Michelle is simply saying that you, or I, or anyone should be forced to subsidize such choices of others.

SeanH:

That is flat out wrong. While the Hyde Amendment exists in the US, no such law exists preventing the flow of American tax-dollars to fund abortions outside our borders. Actually, one such law does exist, but it exists at the discretion of the President of the United States: the Mexico City Policy. Currently, our foreign aid to “Third World” countries is linked to increasing access to abortions. In addition, millions goes to organizations that provide abortions overseas.

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@ Marie
“Every single citizen is due health care, an education, food to eat and shelter.
Call me a bleeding heart liberal because I think we as a community need and are morally responsible for every single other community member.
We all need to provide equally for each other and to live without judgment of each other”

*** NO ONE IS DUE ANY OF THAT! The government isn’t there to provide for its citizens what they can’t or won’t provide for themselves, and by taking it thru taxes from those who work hard for what they make. I don’t recall it saying in the constitution, ‘Each citizen shall be given health care, free education, food and a house’… Our gov’t is far too involved as it is. Yes it would be fantastic if every one worked together as a community and helped ppl out but ITS NOT A FAIRYTALE WORLD!! And that’s just not going to happen because our politicians are too worried about their own money and causes to stop bickering like first graders and COMPROMISE. Cutting our soldiers’ pay (those who are willing to do what the politicians were not, as in actually risk their lives. bullets, bombs, no matter what), instead of their own pay because THEY can’t make up their minds, thats PATHETIC. Oh no! people wont be able to get free abortions! oh no no free condoms! what does this matter? its not the gov’ts business whether someone has sex and gets pregnant or not.. Whats more important? All of this mess, or the thousands of soldiers’ families who are at the moment, up a creek without a paddle and a means to provide for themselves?

we need to recall Michelle Bachmann!

I don’t think the American people as a whole believe defunding Planned Parenthood is a paramount issue to take on in today’s world – given all the other horrendously serious issues we face as a nation including jobs/economy, economic inequality, war/foreign policy. Perhaps those Republicans in power believe it is, but that is because they don’t have anything constructive to add to the truly important issues.
More distraction and fear mongering from the Right…. I can’t believe anyone takes her seriously.

Have to add…
Why don’t we stop invading sovereign countries and propping up big oil and the military/industrial complex (both forms of wealth redistribution already)? We’re ALL paying for things we don’t support already! Much of your taxes go to things you wouldn’t support already…. Maybe members of Congress should not get such a generous expense budget… maybe they should cut the fat from countless other wasteful government uses instead of kicking the poor when they are down? Really? Is Planned Parenthood really the scourge of our nation right now? Is that going to solve any of our problems? NO. It is simply an ideoligical issue, an effort to shape us into a Christian dominated ultra-conservative nation.

The you’re-on-your-own, every-man-for-himself model of the Right is NOT going to make us a stronger nation. It’s going to make us weaker and more divided. Helping others makes us a more propserous nation overall – providing equal access to education, healthcare, opportunity. I am NOT a socialist (I support a logical, compassionate middle ground), but in Europe they ARE HAPPIER for a reason.

“My opinion is there is a point where you draw the line in the sand and you have a hill where you die on. I think this is our issue.”

But it’s a lie Michelle. Taxpayer money isn’t paying for abortions. Doesn’t it matter to you that you’re taking your stand on a lie?

That woman is an idiot and bat-s*** crazy!!! And that’s not name calling – it’s a diagnosis! Would she defend the unborn if she knew he/she was gay???? Right, thought so!

This reminds me of what I call the “Jim Jones Syndrome”. This is when you see a charismatic personality like Michelle Bachmann, who can convince her followers to drink the cool-aid. This is done under the guise of prosperity. In actuality, the GOP plans to cut taxes and give the wealthy all the money they want in the hope that they would use it to creat jobs, just might work out except that they do not account for the most evil motivation, that being GREED. And they have all proven their GREED in not wanting to help anyone but themselves.

Well, if you want to see what a fundamentalist, right-winger like Michelle Bachmann is capable of, all you need to do is look at the news in Norway. She is a religious fundamentalist, which, by definition, is contrary to the American Constitution and Bill of Rights that she and her Tea Bagger Party so falsely espouse.

Randy, You called it more right than anyone else on this post

All of you folks who say its a womens right to have an abortion are right…………..its her choice, and its my choice to not fund that abortion and stop using it as birth control. Now dont tell me about “oh the poor children” its not my problem!!! if ya cant feed em dont breed em!!! now go ahead and call me names, but you still dont have a real solution to the problem!!!

B.O. You are so far off base with that crap but I know where you got that claptrap, probably from MSLSD or Chris “i get chills up my leg” Matthews, what the hell has the idiot in Norway have to do with Christians or Bachman? couldnt be that he was a nut and leave it at that.
Lets take a trio down memory lane……….Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, he was a socialist kinda like Obama, so was McVeigh and we could go on and on but in actuality they were all nuts!!! so stop with the political rhetoric Bachman had about as much to do with what happened in Norway as I did with with landing a man on the moon!!!!!!!

Universal healthcare is needed. Abortion, however, should not be funded by taxpayer dollars. I am a scientist, and I speak solely from a scientific viewpoint when I say that abortion is a genocide that pales Hitler’s in comparison. If murder is illegal, than it shouldn’t matter where the person is. I’m a Democrat, but that one issue is the one thing holding our party back from dominating politics. Deep down, everybody knows it’s murder, baby-murder, and more people than not don’t want their tax dollars paying for it.I definitely don’t, and my conscience doesn’t condone voting for it either.