Pastor who gave controversial Senate prayer bought anti-Muslim ads

No, no, they are racists. They’re not not racist. Ergo…

“… And if you don’t like it, you may have to like it.” Is that a threat from a man of God?

Nothing brings people to Christ like marginalization and harassment.

Praise Jebus, God hates freedom of religion, Amen.

What are Moslems?

Nauseating.

Minor point: the Republicans won control of the Minnesota House in 1998 (the year Jesse won) so they took over when sworn in in Jan. 1999 (not 2000).

You know what…

New Flash. Christians believe Christ Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life! And the been saying this for over 2000 years yet some are shocked to hear it, you then will die in your sins which is the flip side of the Christian message.

Not wanting to hear this news flash changes nothing whatsoever…whatso-flipping-ever.

Jesus Christ is God, The Way the Truth and the Life and NO MAN comes to the Father but by HIM…. NO MAN

I dont know what to tell you except this has been the message for the last 2000 years, the facts have not changed during this time and its not going to change now because some cant deal with the facts.

Why should any legislative session begin with a prayer of any kind?

@geekAaron
I agree.

I agree with pastor Campbell! I doubt that the moslems would be rebuked for praying to Mohamed? people are afraid of them, we need to make a stand now or it may be all to late for the next generation!

@RedHogg,

First, what you call facts most people know as fiction. I understand life is complicated. The Judeo-Christian mythology simplifies things. And if that makes life easier for you that’s fine. But the minute you try imposing your mythology on us all the details of your faith become legitimate fodder for public discussion, debate and even ridicule. You can keep the tenets of your faith private or impose them on society, that’s your choice.

And finally, passion is no substitute for knowledge and repetition doesn’t make your fairy tales true. You can repeat centuries old catch phrases and slogans designed to avoid critical analysis of the source and legitimacy of the dogma they transmit. But in the end, people will either continue to evolve beyond these baseless religious beliefs or, I fear, self destruct in the attempt.

Praise Jebus, God hates an informed electorate, Amen.

Um, RedHogg???

Do you even know the history of christianity? Immediatly after Jesus’ death his own followers could not agree on whether he was the son of god or a prophet. This argument carried on for almost 400 years. Your claim of christian solidarity for 2000 years is at best fantastical fiction much like christianity.

Try reading a book other than the bible sometime instead of burning them.

How do these people pray and still believe that they are correct? Your agenda is not that of God. Racism, hate, bigotry, and control are not the agenda of God.

There should be no prayer before any legislative grouping of any kind. That includes that joke we call a Supreme Court.

This country is FREE. If you don’t like, take your Bible and go home.

I agree with GeekAaron too. Why do Christians feel they’re being persecuted when they can’t force their religion on someone else?

As a Pentecostal Universalist I demand the waving of a diverse representation of poisonous snakes prior to convening each legislative session! Crazy hillbilly dancing should be optional according to one’s own beliefs.

Praise Jebus, God hates government provided antivenin, Amen.

@red regarding… You know what…

New Flash. Christians believe Christ Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life!

That is true for Christians.

How about the rest of the world? No, how about the rest of this country that was founded on separation of church and state.

That your news flash back to the pulpit, teach it to your children, and keep it out of my life.

“And if you don’t like it, you may have to like it… But don’t impose your irreligious left views on me.”

Oh! The irony!

I agree; no prayers of any kind, before legislative bodies or governmental meetings.

@ EricF Why do Christians feel they’re being persecuted when they can’t force their religion on someone else?

When they understand that one can accept without support life will be better.

I accept their religion, which is a choice. A choice they have the right to have.

I do not Support their Religion. One day I hope for the same back.

LOL @ dishonest Christians pretending that they are above the law.

Hey RedHogg,

I often wonder why Christians think that lying about their religion helps their credibility.

Your religious beliefs are are just that, beliefs based on mythology, NOT historical events based on facts.

I recommend that you study the history of your own religion to avoid the bitter taste of your own foot in your mouth.

BTW, here’s a fact for you.

IF Jesus ever existed, he is dead.

You can take that to the bank.

[...] The prayer controversy reared its head again this week, when Pastor Dennis Campbell delivered a prayer to begin Monday’s State Senate session, which “was highly Christian, as opposed to the nonsectarian prayers that were commonplace under DFL control. It’s not Campbell’s first controversy; last summer he took out ads in the St. Cloud Times that were viewed as anti-Muslim,” reported Andy Birkey in the Minnesota Independent. [...]

Pastor Campbell says: He’s just trying to convert Muslims to Christianity. But what is the purpose of the opening prayer of the Senate? I would argue that the top 10 reasons do not include “converting Muslims to Christianity.” There is a difference between worship (including prayer, such as invocations) and evangelism. That was not the time nor place for evangelism.

One comment says that Christians have been preaching Christ for 2000 years. That is absolutely true. BUT, there are large number of questions relating to how we are to do it: The Bible raises questions as to the exclusivity of the followers of Jesus (I have other sheep that do not belongto this fold , implying that there are others who are in relation to God, not just the Jewish followers of Jesus) and Paul very clearly says that we do not have all knowledge into God’s plans. The conclusion is that there is a certain humility that we owe in proclaiming the beliefs we have as Christians. There is NOTHING in scripture that says we beat people over the head and alienate them to the point that they will not listen to anything we say.

Pr Campbell MAY have had good motives, but he was a poor example of the Christian command that we love one another, love our neighbors and treat others as we would wish to be treated. Pr Campbell: After your prayer, do you honestly think you plowed any fertile ground…or did you leave everyone less inclined to listen to you in the future (and I’m sure there are Christians in that group, as well.)

Pr Chris

“What happens when Christians take over a nation? They will destroy the constitution and force the Christian religion on the society, take freedom of religion away, and they will persecute all other religions.”

Sounds exactly like what Campbell and his ilk are trying to do in America.

And what d0uche invited the hypocrite to give the prayer, anyway? They KNEW what a vulgar bigot he is.

RE: RedHogg comment (Jesus is God, and no man cometh to the Father — which then would be who, God#2? Or is Jesus God#2 & the Father God#1, and anyone else who can keep that straight is smart enough to be little gods to the rest of us??)

RE:
“Rep. Arlon Lindner, instead of acquiescing, instead attacked those members.

“You know, we’re told there’s one God and one mediator between God and man. That man is Jesus Christ. And most of us here are Christians. And we shouldn’t be left not able to pray in the name of our God… And if you don’t like it, you may have to like it. Or just don’t come. I don’t come sometimes for some prayers here… We have that privilege, and you need to exercise it. But don’t impose your irreligious left views on me.”

A little FYI: The founders were more Deists than Trinitarians. As late as 1689 one could be executed for offending the Triple-headed God, however the history of the Enlightenment getting into Princeton, etc. is interesting.

First, the pastor quotes I Timothy 2 (which is not really believed) then talk about praying “in the name of our God” (meaning, Jesus — who in the gospels told his followers that the day was coming when they should ask HIM nothing, but ask the Father in his name). This brand of “Christianity” we’re seeing is ahistorical, illogical, and narcissistic — and it’s here. Thank George Bush for the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (2001).

I’m a Christian, educated, generally tolerant female who had to seek legal protection against a spouse who was confused about many things in life, but clarified matters through abuse (physical, economic, etc.) which definitely brought out the latent feminist in me, not to mention, we had children. Then we hit family law, which (apart from basic institutional greed) has been restructured by a series of federal grants to promote Marriage and Fatherhood. On tracking these grants and sea-changes in the legal system to accommodate that theology, it turns out that whatever “God” we think this comes from, the financial “paternity test” actually leads to one of the world’s largest cult leaders, S. Korean Sun Myung Moon (and the “kill-the-gays” theme has been sponsored –by same 501(c)3 orgs — in S. African countries that can’t resist so well, i.e., Uganda, etc.)

I’m doing my part but recommend readers understand this ain’t no joke. Follow the money trail, vote, and stay on top of your LOCAL legislators. These people who flip back & forth in a single sentence on language, will do the same with every foundational principle in the Constitution & Bill of Rights, and sleep well at night as one of the elite elect. Trust me, I lived with some of it.

I don’t think you can eliminate religion — people will make up a new one, which is why we seriously need to exercise our civil & legal rights while a smattering of them remain. The comments about “Moslems” have some merit — the US is going to have to deal with this; there are already honor-killings of young women here for being too Western. The Christian element isn’t likely to do anything about this (as they do little about men who beat their wives, still). Wake up, get involved!