Kiffmeyer wants voter ID on the ballot in 2012

one of the few things that i support from my Representative

if you don’t have some form of id then don’t vote

i always thought that you needed to anyways

i am sure most voters agree

if your importance of voting and you take it serious
then you can abide with a form of proof of resident
it is a non issue

lets spend some more money on barry bonds and steroids now there is a issue
shame shame

no one wants to put their faces in front of big issues

I disagree. There are many people who do not have nor use id’s.

What about college students? They can legally vote in their college town, so will they accept college ID’s? Their hometown drivers license won’t allow them to vote in their college town.

What are the acceptable forms of id?

for instance a college person who has a college id who can vote in the district
then go home and vote again
and then vote in their residence
THATS WRONG

ONE VOTE ONE ORSON
and if you don’t have a valid tax statement , drivers license, state id and many others
one person one vote
i hold voting as one of our most sacred privileges, and if you cant prove residency
then no vote for you
sorry but that’s how i see it
there are many ways to prove you are from a district
and there is so much voter fraud

in fact i believe if you don’t know the issues you cant vote ]

we the little people then have no vote at all

i believe voting is a privilege,,,,,, not a right ,,,,,,,, but that’s just me , just me

It is a right. With voter ID it becomes a privilege and those that cannot vote will not be represented.

Also voting is not always about the issues. Any dumbass can tell when someone is not telling the truth.

At one time they did have tests before voting. It was a subtle way to keep blacks from voting. That was finally abolished.

Voter fraud is a another story made up by wingnuts because they have no idea how to create jobs and or improve the economy.

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

THIS IS REALLY A BAD IDEA
BUT IF YOU VOTE YOU GET A 50 DOLLAR VOUCHER
AS YOU SPEND AS YOU PLEASE FOR VOTING

IT WOULD HELP THE ECONMY
IT WOULD GIVE HUGE VOTER TURN OUT
AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD HELP PEOPLE WHO DONT VOTE
TURN OUT AND VOTE FOR THEIR CANDIDATE

IT WOULD SURLY TURN VOTERS HEADS ,AND CREATE MINORITY VOTING

NOT ETHNIC BUT MINORITY VOTING [ PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T VOTE WHO HAVE A CANDIDATE BUT JUST DON'T VOTE ]

INSTEAD OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN VOTER SURVEYS AND JUNK MAIL
WHICH JUST GO TO THE CIRCLE FILE, GARBAGE

Other than not being persuaded that voter ID will solve any problems (on the contrary, I think it will cause more problems including disenfranchising groups of voters; what about those who vote absentee?), I predict many, many, many constitutional amendments on the 2012 ballot on account of Governor Dayton having to veto many, many, many bad pieces of legislation that the Republicans are ramming through before they lose power next year on account of their very destructive agendas. And I refuse to dignify this disgrace with an UFF DA!

LANE

I WILL ALWAYS TRUST YOUR WISDOM, AND JUDGMENT

ANOTHER NOTE I JUST GOT BACK FROM VISITING MEL

LEARNED A LOT , I HAD TO TAKE THE TRIP SEE HE IS DOING FINE
AND HE IS

MM, voter id is not what it is cracked up to be. First what are folks going to do when they get turned away for not looking like their photo? Also if people think it’s going to prevent fraud have forgotten what happens in bars. Lots of kids have fake photo id’s and they still get in. Now try to get some 75 year old election judge trained to know the difference between good and fake id’s. Good luck when the liquor industry have been fighting this problem for years.

Allocate at least 10% of any money given “Voter ID” to detection and prosecution of snowbirds voting in more than one state – and you’ll get more than ten times the results.
Almost all of these people will be Republicans, of course. And they will howl and
scream at how their own petard has hoisted them so high.

Admit Puerto Rico as a State, and gain two Dem Senators and at least 20 Dem Representatives. Not that this will ever happen, since “Not only are they liberal -
they’re brown!”

This all amounts to Voter supression.

When as Sec. of State, Mary Kiffmeyer tried to get Same Day Registration abolished. She felt that those who registered the same day as Election Day, were not true Minnesota residents under the law and tended to vote for Democrats.

As an Election Judge since 2006, I have registered many same day voters and followed State laws. Voters presented an ID showing that they were who they said they were. They had Cable, Utility, and other bills establishing residency in the correct precient. They knew before signing the Votr registration card that all information was CORRECT or face penalties under Federal Law.

Voters in Minnesota are honest. There are a few bad apples. But those bad apples should not spoil it for the entire bushel. Which is what the MNGOP is trying to do in their demand that Voters present ID in order to get a ballot. Presenting an ID should be VOLUNTARY!

OH NO I AM WRONG ,,WRONG WRONG
I MISSED THE PICTURE ID PART

JUST SOME PROOF OF WHERE YOU LIVE

ALSO

MY POINT IS ALL THESE SMALL PRECINCTS COULD TAKE A STACK OF VOTER
APPLICATIONS ,,SIGN ANOTHER PERSONS NAME ,VOTE OVER AND OVER AGAIN
BY FORGING NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO NEVER INTEND TO VOTE IN THE FIRST PLACE ,

JUST CHECKING IF YOU ARE IN THE DISTRICT ,SIGN YOUR NAME, ON THE SPREAD SHEET
YOU ARE HANDED A BALLOT ,YOU THEN CAN VOTE

WHAT IS STOPPING A PERSON [ELECTION VOLUNTEER] FROM TAKING A STACK
AND SIGNING NAMES AND THEN VOTING SEVERAL TIMES OVER
OR
WHAT I THINK I SAW ONE TIME
IS A PERSON SAID THIS IS FOR ME AND THIS IS FOR MY ELDERLY MOM SHE THEN SINGED TWICE ,AND WAS HANDED TWO BALLOTS

WE LIVE IN A VERY SMALL PRECINCT

THAT’S PART OF WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT ,

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE,, A DO NOT CALL OR SEND ME POLITICAL JUNK IN THE MAIL
OR A GENERIC 25 QUESTION SURVEY OF THE CANDIDATE VIEWS AND THEY MUST STICK TO THAT OR COULD BE FIRED
YES ,,I KNOW ITS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT WHEN YOU VOTE BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPORT SOMETHING, AND THEN DO THE OPPOSITE

LANE WHY ARE YOU NOT IN THE ARENA ,YOU WOULD GET MY VOTE

Hey Ray – all caps doesn’t help your argument get across. It’s like yelling, thinking that people will listen harder if you yell real loud. What actually happens, is people avert their eyes and look for someone more reasonable.

Of course Homer – this philosopher guy from more than two thousand years ago – was against written language. He thought it would make foolish statements seem more plausible, and make the writer look like he knew what he was talking about even when he didn’t. Maybe Homer was right. I don’t know. But I do know “ALL CAPS” doesn’t work very well.

SORRY BUD ALL CAPS IS SO I CAN SEE THE SCREEN
I HAVE CATARACTS, AND SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED TO USE BETTER PUNCTUATION
TRY TO PUT UP WITH IT

I AM NOT TRYING TO BE THE NEXT POLITICAL SCHOLAR OR TRYING TO IMPRESS ANYONE
ITS VERY HARD FOR ME TO WRITE ,BECAUSE OF A NERVE DISORDER
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN IN CERTAIN DEBATES

I THINK I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT BUT BECAUSE OF A MILITARY SITUATION
IT IS HARD TO GET MY MIND TO SPEAK WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY
I AM SORRY
THE SAD THING I THINK IS ,I ADMITTED I WAS WRONG IN THE UNDERSTANDING

Ray, thanks for letting Dave know. As a man who is Deaf, I sometimes am accused of ignoring the person when in fact, I didn’t know the person was talking to me probably starting to yell out of growing exasperation … Just carry on. We’ll know from the tone of your comment if you cross the line …

BTW, thank you for your vote of confidence, Ray. I express myself best in writing as it gives me time to reflect on what I want to say – unlike some people who can think on their feet. Besides, I don’t have the right temperament to live and breath politics given the field nowadays is so rife with connivers and assholes.

This is a horrendous idea from a horrendous woman. Here is a little history for those of you that did not pay attention in school or have killed your brain cells with booze. Please read if you support voter restrictions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disfranchisement_after_Reconstruction_era

Ray, I come from a small precinct and have been an election judge, not 70′s but in my 50′s. Your comments regarding voter fraud by election volunteers is very, very insulting. We are trained and take oaths of office and work from 6 am until all the votes are counted. We take pride in serving our communities and state. If you think your election judges or anyone else is committing fraud, you should tell someone, especially if you are an eye witness. Not to do so condones the fraud. But please do not spread rumors and lies based on “what I think I saw”. That is just wrong.

JUST FOR THE RECORD
AFTER BEING NECK DEEP IN POLITICS FOR OVER 10 YEARS
AND KNEE DEEP FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS
I HAVE SEEN SO MANY IRREGULARITY AND FRAUD
I COULDN’T EVEN BEGIN TO COUNT
FROM THE COUNTY SEAT TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT

I HOPE YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO TELL ME
THERE ISN’T MAJOR CORRUPTION IN OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS

Wow, really?? You are claiming MAJOR corruption?? Show some proof or sit down.

ITS ALL BEEN ON THE NEWS MANY TIMES OVER

BUT ARE YOU TELLING ME OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT CORRUPT
AND WE DON’T NEED MAJOR REFORM

SEND ME YOUR PHONE NUMBER

Wow ray, your arguments are all over the place. Try to stick to the point if you can.

The veil that you and Kiffmeyer are throwing over the real issue is that the citizens are corrupt and we can not trust them to vote honestly. That is what voter fraud people are claiming. Your claim that the government is corrupt has NOTHING to do with voter id’s.

The real issue here though, is that people that advocate for voter restrictions want to eliminate a group of US CITIZENS from voting. The republicans know that they are a political party in the throes of death. They either need a complete transfusion of ideology or they need to eliminate groups of citizens that historically vote against them.

Voter id’s are equal to either class warfare or racism.

I CAN STAY IN THE BEDROOM OR I CAN SAY
THERE IS CORRUPTION OR ALL KINDS OF VOTER FRAUD GOING ON
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT
IT IS HAPPENING
SO GO AHEAD AND BLAST ME
THAT IS FINE
BUT LOOK AT ITS FACE VALUE ,AND TELL ME I AM WRONG ITS YOUR CHOICE
IN THE SIXTH DISTRICT ,THERE IS A LOT OF ,,TURN THE BLIND EYE,,
DON,T TRY AND TELL ME I AM WRONG
AND YES I HAVE BEEN TO THE SUPREME COURT WHERE POLICY RULED ABOVE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
BUT LETS STICK TO VOTING AS IN KIPMEYERS DISTRICT

Well ray, if you truly had evidence, I am sure the Attorney Generals office would love to see it so they can investigate and prosecute as needed. You sitting here in your pj’s claiming corruption at all levels of our society and doing nothing about it is paramount to condoning the corruption. If you do not have actual evidence to provide then hush up on the claims.

On a similar note, I am sure that corruption does purvey our governmental system. The issues I have, though, is not with voter id fraud. The sheer number of US citizens voting legaly will cancel out the illegal votes.

The corruption that needs to be done away with is the legal type…We need to do away with cloaked campaign contributions. The Koch brothers should not be allowed to give more money than what I can give.

Have a nice day and enjoy the snow. I got better things to do.

JOHN YOUR LAST POST I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU

I AM SAYING THE SAME THING ONLY IN A DIFFERENT WAY

I AM SORRY THAT I AM NOT AS WELL VERSED AS YOU

MAYBE I AM THE VOTER YOU ARE TRYING TO PROTECT
DON’T PUT ME IN THE SAME BOAT A KIPMEYER

BELIEVE ME I HAVE PUT IN MY TIME HAVE YOU
THE PROBLEM HERE IS I AGREE WITH YOU

YES JOHN THERE ARE MANY CITIZEN WHO ARE CORRUPT AND TAKING ADVANTAGE
AND ALSO THE BEST FORM OF POLITICAL CORRUPTION IS IF YOU CANT BEAT THEM ON THE ISSUE ATTACK THEM PERSONALLY ,

THAT’S WHAT YOU DID WHILE I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU
RE READ THE POSTS I SAID I WAS WRONG ON THE BILL AND APOLOGIZED

A TWO PARTY SYSTEM CITIZEN VRS GOVERNMENT

I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY

WE GOT IT JOHN
COME AND PICK IT UP PRESENT IT TO THE AG OFFICE AND SEE WHERE IT GETS YOU ,,, WE ALREADY HAVE IT , PROTESTED IT ,DEBATED IT
HOW DO YOU WANT TO GET IN TOUCH
YOU WILL PROB BALLY NEED ABOUT 10 K TO START
ANOTHER 20 K TO KEEP IT GOING FOR STARTERS
START A PAC AND RAISE THE FUNDS

I AM SURE WE ARE OVER SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS RAISED

LIKE YOU SAID YOU GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO AND SO DO I

LEGAL CORRUPTION NO KIDDEN YOUR TALKING TO RAY

A FRIEND SAID TO ME HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT WHEN YOU KNOW SO MUCH
LAST POST ON THIS ISSUE FOR ME ,BECAUSE YOU HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING
SHAME ON YOU THE PJ,S ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND ENJOY THIS LAST SNOW FALL OF THE SEASON
TALK IS CHEAP YOUR AGAINST ME WHEN I AM FOR YOU

CANCEL OUT THE ILLEGAL VOTES WHEN SOME ELECTIONS ARE WITHIN 10 OR 15 VOTES AT THE COUNTY SEAT LEVEL
SO VOTER CORRUPTION IS OK AS LONG AS IT DOESN’T AFFECT YOU OR YOU LIVE IN A HUGE DISTRICT

What scares me the most is what’s to stop a political party or politian from just making and selling fake IDs and then paying people to vote over and over again.
Lets see, 100 people voting 10 times each is 1000 votes. Say you pay them $100 a vote, so that’s a mere $10,000 for 1000 votes. Sounds incrediblly cheap compared to the millions that are already paid for advertising and marketing.

I hope you all know that there are hundreds of illegal imigrants, who have perfectly valid drivers licenses as well as fake licenses. Talk to a cop about how good some of the fake ID’s are, you would be suprised how good they are and just how hard it is to tell a fake from real.

heh heh

Mere mention of how horrid we look in the picture on our driver’s licenses should bring perspective into how ridiculous this voter-ID hoopla is! Horrid pictures will not eliminate deliberate voter fraud. Plain and simple. Sheesh.

I believe Minnesotans should have every confidence in the integrity of the election system here. I have been an election judge and I can say that the process is clean, open and robustly fair. There has been a great deal of consideration given to making certain that you are the person you claim to be when you get your ballot. I encourage everyone who is interested–or dubious–to be an election judge and better understand the mechanisms by which we vote.

In doing so you will find out that practically all talk of voter fraud is fabrication and fantasy–it doesn’t or can’t occur. About 1 in 50000 votes in Minnesota in 2008 were found to be by ineligible voters. That is a very small number. Nearly all of of these were people recently out of prison who didn’t know their civil rights. One way to fix this would be to change the law so that those no longer incarcerated but on parole or probation can vote. Problem solved.

People who cast doubt on the integrity of our elections are simply wrong, or they are playing with fire. Or fear. The irony is that the net effect of voter ID laws is disenfranchisement of legal voters. To me, that is scary.

So the GOP elected as House Speaker someone that didn’t know voting is a right. Is Speaker Zellers a graduate of Michele Bachmann’s Constitution classes? If not the Peter Principle is alive and well.

Praise Jebus, God hates competent leadership, Amen.

Put it on the ballot. It is against the US Constitution. Another waste of time. Veto, national lawsuit. Would you people get to work on viable solutions for jobs and the economy please.